| tjagoda | ruhoh | 00:04 |
|---|---|---|
| tjagoda | disk sounds loud in this laptop | 00:04 |
| tjagoda | Might be the excuse that breaks my will and has me plunk down for an SSD =( | 00:05 |
| rick_h | ssd ftw | 00:20 |
| tjagoda | Yeah | 00:25 |
| tjagoda | just dont want to spend the $$ tho | 00:25 |
| tjagoda | Has the market leveled in terms of performance? | 00:26 |
| tjagoda | I remember when Intel was king of SSD's. | 00:26 |
| rick_h | yea, some, but I'm still hesitent to move outside of intel | 00:27 |
| rick_h | but I'm not a big risk taker | 00:27 |
| Blazeix | I like OCZ, but it can be a gamble | 00:27 |
| Blazeix | I happened to win that gamble, and have a really fast ssd, but i've heard horror stories about reliability | 00:28 |
| rick_h | yea | 00:28 |
| tjagoda | Does canonical tell you if they reject your app? | 00:34 |
| rick_h | not sure how the app process works | 00:35 |
| rick_h | I'd imagine they would, they're very eager to help/get people involved | 00:35 |
| tjagoda | It says "open," I was unsure if they actually go through and cull out the hordes | 00:35 |
| tjagoda | Or if they only communicate to the serious candidates | 00:35 |
| rick_h | not sure | 00:36 |
| tjagoda | Your SSD, is it your primary drive? | 00:40 |
| rick_h | yea | 00:43 |
| rick_h | on my laptop it's my only drive | 00:43 |
| rick_h | and on my desktop it's / and /home is a normal drive | 00:43 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: They'll let you know if they don't accept your app | 01:23 |
| snap-l | it's pretty impersonal, but at least they have a response. | 01:23 |
| tjagoda | oh, cool | 01:23 |
| snap-l | Not that I would know or anything. :) | 01:23 |
| snap-l | Went and looked at fish tanks this evening | 01:25 |
| snap-l | When it's all said and done, this is going to be rather expensive. | 01:25 |
| snap-l | Seems like there's a huge price increase when you hit 20+ gal | 01:25 |
| tjagoda | Are you investing in fish futures? | 01:30 |
| snap-l | Yes | 01:30 |
| snap-l | hopefully in their long living futures. | 01:30 |
| snap-l | http://openmetalcast.com/2012/01/23/open-metalcast-episode-39-catch-up-mustve-heard-and-relish/ | 02:29 |
| snap-l | g'morning | 11:39 |
| rick_h | ugh | 11:40 |
| snap-l | That good, eh? | 12:09 |
| rick_h | feel like crap today, rough morning | 12:10 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Sorry to hear that. :( | 12:21 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | Morning | 12:21 |
| Wolfger | morning | 12:41 |
| Wolfger | got my thanks-but-no-thanks from Canonical | 12:42 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: Sorry to hear that | 12:43 |
| rick_h | :( | 12:43 |
| snap-l | On the flip side, I've gotten quite few of those. | 12:43 |
| rick_h | makes you feel better I got a pair of those | 12:43 |
| snap-l | insert 'a" in there | 12:43 |
| rick_h | heh | 12:43 |
| rick_h | and we go for the same line | 12:43 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Yep | 12:44 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: I know exactly how you feel, though | 12:44 |
| Wolfger | Well, at least I know and I'm not waiting to hear. Wonder if tjagoda got his or if he's in the hunt | 12:44 |
| Wolfger | They were probably "Michigan, again? We need to spread it out more." :-) | 12:45 |
| rick_h | hah, state quota exceeded | 12:46 |
| snap-l | heh | 12:50 |
| snap-l | WE need more uruguayans | 12:50 |
| snap-l | http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/postgresql-for-wordpress/ <- I wish Wordpress supported PostgreSQL out of the box | 12:52 |
| snap-l | and without a plugin | 12:53 |
| rick_h | problem is scaling requires a non-crappy ORM and they just ditch it and go mysql | 12:54 |
| snap-l | http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Alternative_Databases | 12:54 |
| snap-l | Sadly, they need someone smart like Michael to make it work | 12:54 |
| snap-l | (Bayer, iirc) | 12:55 |
| snap-l | Wow, people are really demanding of html5 | 12:56 |
| snap-l | http://html5.please.us | 12:56 |
| snap-l | http://html5please.us <- rather | 12:56 |
| snap-l | waiting for html5makemeasandwich.us | 12:57 |
| rick_h | love this https://twitter.com/#!/alex_gaynor/status/161797413936431105 | 13:22 |
| brousch | that has convinced you to switch? | 13:25 |
| brousch | you have a lot of porn site ideas in the queue? | 13:25 |
| rick_h | I just think that's a great summary for a project | 13:32 |
| rick_h | "we make porn and big media sites kinda easy...might help with other things to, but meh we're not following that too close" | 13:32 |
| snap-l | Wasn't that one of the other things that made Turbogears awesome too? | 13:42 |
| rick_h | yea, TG biggests site was a porn site long ago | 13:43 |
| rick_h | hard to put on the wall of fame to show off your framework :) | 13:43 |
| brousch | depends on who you're catering to | 13:46 |
| brousch | for instance, i would not be offended by that | 13:46 |
| snap-l | Just have a LOT of pixellation. | 13:48 |
| snap-l | "Sites using (framework): bobsfish.com, quickietshirts.com, anal-destroyers.com | 13:50 |
| brousch | shows it's scalable | 13:52 |
| brousch | speaking of anal-destroyers ... | 13:57 |
| tjagoda | o.O | 13:57 |
| tjagoda | I am opposed to this title. | 13:58 |
| brousch | well then you shouldn't have missed last night's meeting where it was voted on | 13:59 |
| tjagoda | But I was here last night, and definitely witnessed no meeting =( | 14:00 |
| * tjagoda smells skullduggery | 14:00 | |
| jrwren | snap-l: is that pgsql for wordpress maintained? | 14:14 |
| tjagoda | Windows Live Essentials and Bing Bar are my most frequently uninstalled applications. | 14:18 |
| tjagoda | Blasted users. | 14:18 |
| jrwren | what is wrong with live essentials? | 14:18 |
| jrwren | i need my live writer! | 14:19 |
| brousch | bing bar? | 14:19 |
| brousch | you let your users user IE? | 14:19 |
| jrwren | lol, good point. | 14:19 |
| snap-l | jrwren: It allegedly runs up until 3.2.1 | 14:19 |
| snap-l | has a date of 9/2011 as the last release | 14:20 |
| jrwren | snap-l: not bad. | 14:20 |
| snap-l | jrwren: It's more recent than the other attempts | 14:20 |
| snap-l | but I still don't trust it | 14:20 |
| jrwren | i like the idea. | 14:21 |
| jrwren | though it seems like if you are gonna do that, might as well go all the way to nosql | 14:21 |
| jrwren | wordpress on mongodb :p | 14:21 |
| snap-l | jrwren: I'm glad it exists, but I'm really hoping native PGSQL comes soon | 14:21 |
| snap-l | jrwren: That would be sweet. | 14:22 |
| jrwren | i don't think it is a goal at all. | 14:22 |
| snap-l | jrwren: From the discussion, it seems like a "yeah, we really should do this, but it's non-trivial" | 14:22 |
| rick_h | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=w_WW-DHqR3c | 14:25 |
| Raggs | hi, can Debian and ubuntu share a /home dir? | 14:25 |
| rick_h | I call this the successful completion of gnome do taking over ubuntu | 14:25 |
| rick_h | Raggs: probably wouldn't reccomend it | 14:25 |
| rick_h | they'll be competing over the same .gnome and such directories | 14:25 |
| snap-l | Raggs: At the same time? No | 14:25 |
| rick_h | and the software will be the different versions/etc | 14:25 |
| snap-l | rick_h: ++ | 14:25 |
| Raggs | snap-l, well only one will be booted at a time | 14:26 |
| tjagoda | I have to let my users use IE | 14:26 |
| snap-l | Raggs: I'd recommend if you need files with both versions to create a shared area | 14:26 |
| tjagoda | Automotive supplier websites that dont work outside it | 14:26 |
| snap-l | and put the files that are to be shared in that area. | 14:26 |
| Raggs | yep, sounds like an idea | 14:26 |
| tjagoda | And asking them to use two browsers would frankly blow a few of their minds. =( | 14:27 |
| tjagoda | Dont get me wrong, my users are not mindless drones | 14:27 |
| tjagoda | But yeah =( | 14:27 |
| brousch | mine use FF for everything but those crappy sites | 14:33 |
| brousch | it does not hurt their minds | 14:34 |
| tjagoda | Do yours refer to everything as "the internet?" | 14:38 |
| tjagoda | or alternatively, e-mails | 14:38 |
| snap-l | http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/372385/ubuntu-rips-up-drop-down-menus <- Ugh | 14:39 |
| rick_h | ... waiting for adfarm.mediaplex.com | 14:40 |
| rick_h | there it goes | 14:40 |
| snap-l | OK, it's a little interesting | 14:41 |
| snap-l | but accessibility is just taking it in the neck, isn't it? | 14:41 |
| snap-l | Why is this going into 12.04, as well? | 14:42 |
| snap-l | I thought the idea was stability, quality, etc | 14:42 |
| rick_h | well technically it can be more accessable if it helps allow better search through menus vs hunt/peck :) | 14:42 |
| snap-l | Apparently it's quality, unless there's a really cool feature | 14:42 |
| rick_h | but yea, this is agiant whatever | 14:42 |
| rick_h | lol | 14:43 |
| rick_h | but check out Mark's blog post. They've got 90% test coverage | 14:43 |
| snap-l | Yeah, that's awesome. | 14:44 |
| snap-l | I'm just trying to figure out how to explain this new interface to my parents | 14:45 |
| snap-l | they're still on 10.04 | 14:45 |
| snap-l | AS long as it degrades nicely for apps that are, well, Java, this should be pretty interesting. | 14:46 |
| tjagoda | I am a fan of hunt and peck | 14:50 |
| tjagoda | especially when I cant remember wtf the name of my program is | 14:50 |
| tjagoda | Most frequently happens with Libre office | 14:51 |
| tjagoda | whenever I need to remember what the powerpoint equiv is called | 14:51 |
| _stink_ | even though my workflow is pretty well established, and i will likely never use any of this new GUI stuff... i have to say i'm so happy someone is pushing the envelope. | 14:52 |
| snap-l | I'm just pissed focus follows mouse is dead | 14:52 |
| snap-l | NERDRAGE! | 14:53 |
| _stink_ | hehehe | 14:53 |
| _stink_ | can't you just use twm? | 14:53 |
| tjagoda | I refuse to believe that anybody other than a reanimated Steve Jobs can advance UI design! | 14:53 |
| brousch | snap-l: FFM works well for me | 14:54 |
| brousch | also, my computer looks pretty much like 10.04 | 14:54 |
| tjagoda | Same here | 14:56 |
| tjagoda | Only less orange, and more blue | 14:56 |
| brousch | i'm sure you could find an orangish theme | 14:56 |
| snap-l | brousch: Yes, I'm sure it does, but I'd have to get over a new problem | 14:57 |
| snap-l | mainly throwing up in my mouth every time I moused over something. | 14:57 |
| brousch | your prejudices are clouding your mind | 14:57 |
| snap-l | (slow draw) THIS IS A WINDOW. YOU CAN USE THIS WINDOW TO DO SHIT | 14:58 |
| brousch | free yourself from your gnomish bonds | 14:58 |
| snap-l | gnever. | 14:58 |
| brousch | ok, that made me snort | 14:58 |
| snap-l | ;) | 14:58 |
| snap-l | OK, meeting time | 14:59 |
| rick_h | snap-l: tell the family I said hello :P | 15:00 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | whats a good command to see all computer ip/s on my local network | 15:01 |
| rick_h | mydogsnameisrudy: nmap http://nmap.org/book/man-host-discovery.html | 15:02 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | thank you | 15:02 |
| rick_h | The point: evaluate the technology against your problem, and aim to get good fit. | 15:09 |
| rick_h | oops | 15:09 |
| rick_h | https://plus.google.com/u/0/106413090159067280619/posts/Pb8E7XBwYGY | 15:09 |
| rick_h | is what I meant to paste | 15:09 |
| rick_h | stupid synergy | 15:09 |
| tjagoda | That makes me sad | 15:21 |
| tjagoda | = | 15:21 |
| tjagoda | =( * | 15:21 |
| brousch | rick_h: wow, that is scary | 15:37 |
| rick_h | yea, that's the kind of room I'd love to be sitting in the back in | 15:37 |
| rick_h | "Jobs was a sucky blow hard!!!!" and then run out | 15:38 |
| Wolfger | Oooh, HTML 5 Cookbook on dotd | 15:50 |
| brousch | ok, wow. copying big files through dolphin, it puts the whole file into ram | 15:58 |
| snap-l | Ok, I don't have that one yet. | 15:58 |
| snap-l | brousch: You're doing it wrong | 15:59 |
| brousch | copy, paste | 15:59 |
| snap-l | brousch: You're doing it wrong | 15:59 |
| brousch | :P | 15:59 |
| snap-l | rsync FTW | 15:59 |
| brousch | rsync from my camera? | 15:59 |
| snap-l | Yes | 15:59 |
| snap-l | :-P | 15:59 |
| brousch | i took HD video of last night's meeting. it's in 4 files of 2-3GB each | 16:00 |
| brousch | that 3GB is gonna be a bitch | 16:01 |
| brousch | i really need more ram | 16:01 |
| snap-l | Is it mounting the camera as a Mass Storage Device? | 16:02 |
| snap-l | because if so, rsync should work. :) | 16:02 |
| Wolfger | I have mixed feelings about this: http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/24/tech/web/judge-defendant-decrypt-laptop/index.html?hpt=hp_bn6 | 16:02 |
| brousch | ok, i took the sd card out and tried again | 16:04 |
| brousch | with just sd card it does not copy the whole thing into ram | 16:04 |
| rick_h | Wolfger: I hate that myself | 16:05 |
| brousch | through camera, it does | 16:05 |
| brousch | the camera mounts as some goofball kind of device | 16:05 |
| brousch | damn, that's much quicker | 16:08 |
| snap-l | brousch: PTP, iirc. | 16:09 |
| snap-l | It's some goofy protocol they use. | 16:09 |
| brousch | sounds right | 16:09 |
| brousch | works fine for photos, but is a bitch one these videos | 16:10 |
| snap-l | Means it doesn't mount the device, but it's a lot slower IMHO | 16:10 |
| brousch | i'll just have to keep that in mind | 16:10 |
| krondor | brousch: it's probably accessing the camera through PTP | 16:21 |
| krondor | snap-l:++ didn't see your post :) | 16:22 |
| krondor | my lack of reading comprehension means its time for lunch bbiab | 16:22 |
| snap-l | Heh | 16:25 |
| Wolfger | Hmm. The word "heimlich" translates to "secretly"... Gives a whole new meaning to "the heimlich maneuver" | 16:31 |
| Wolfger | Sounds like something I'd want those IR video recording binoculars for | 16:31 |
| snap-l | heh | 16:33 |
| snap-l | I am weak. Have barely touched the other HTML5 books, and I purchased the HTML5 cookbook | 16:39 |
| snap-l | Damn you, O'Reilly | 16:39 |
| snap-l | They're books, not Pokemon | 16:40 |
| Wolfger | gotta catch 'em all | 16:42 |
| snap-l | Oldie: http://james-iry.blogspot.com/2009/05/brief-incomplete-and-mostly-wrong.html? | 17:17 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Did you see this: http://bytefluent.com/vivify/ | 17:25 |
| rick_h | nice, no | 17:25 |
| snap-l | Looks like the ultimate way to waste a day in vim. :) | 17:25 |
| rick_h | booo, doesn't update url so I can share the link | 17:26 |
| snap-l | fuck, I'm starting ti tile my windows | 18:10 |
| rick_h | bwuhahahahaha! | 18:10 |
| snap-l | What's happening to me? | 18:10 |
| rick_h | it's inevitable | 18:10 |
| snap-l | This keyboard? It's too quiet. | 18:10 |
| snap-l | My desk, I need to stand | 18:11 |
| snap-l | AAIIIIUUUUGGGHHHH!!! | 18:11 |
| * snap-l heads to shop.lenovo.com to calm down | 18:11 | |
| brousch | snap-l: please tell me you didn't eat the tin of green M&Ms rick_h left in his desk | 18:11 |
| snap-l | brousch: Worse, I touched the Dr. Pepper | 18:12 |
| snap-l | Diet Dr. Pepper | 18:12 |
| brousch | noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo | 18:12 |
| tjagoda | Do you have Das Keyboard? | 18:17 |
| tjagoda | omg | 18:29 |
| tjagoda | Got a follow up email from canonical | 18:29 |
| jjesse | yay> | 18:29 |
| jjesse | i'm sorry there are already too many canonical employees that are a member of #ubuntu-us-mi we need to share the love to more user groups? | 18:30 |
| tjagoda | Sounds like they want to communicate the scope and my expectations regarding the role. | 18:32 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: Nice! | 18:49 |
| snap-l | At least you got past the first hurdle | 18:49 |
| rick_h | tjagoda: sweet | 19:00 |
| rick_h | lamo, ok I feel better now https://twitter.com/#!/ganson/status/161799371313254401 | 19:01 |
| tjagoda | Praise the lords for google, and easy time zone conversion tools | 19:02 |
| snap-l | rick_h: I desperately hope this is for the little children sent to buy mommy and daddy cigarettes. | 19:06 |
| snap-l | because if not, I weep | 19:06 |
| rick_h | hmmm, getting that urge to punch babies. How the !@#! do make files, buildout files, and all that crap actually work? | 19:07 |
| snap-l | magic | 19:07 |
| snap-l | What's the trouble with make files? | 19:08 |
| rick_h | "something is building a build/js/yui directory...who is doing it?" | 19:08 |
| snap-l | Got root on the machine? | 19:09 |
| rick_h | "oh, so make runs some buildout stuff, buildout has tepmlates for bin-templates/xxx files that get put into /bin/xxx and then those get magically operated on by unicorns with directory variables back from the make files" | 19:09 |
| snap-l | make the directories, run chmod 0000 on them as root, and see what blows up | 19:09 |
| snap-l | Not elegant, but it should work | 19:10 |
| Blazeix | ( http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/expresslane.asp ) | 19:10 |
| rick_h | Blazeix: boooo quit messing with my happy bits of the day | 19:11 |
| rick_h | :P | 19:11 |
| Blazeix | heh | 19:12 |
| snap-l | Blazeix: It's just a matter of time until it's a real sign | 19:12 |
| snap-l | I firmly believe Idiocracy is a roadmap | 19:12 |
| snap-l | "It's got what plant's crave!" | 19:12 |
| snap-l | note the apostrophe usage. I feel stupider already. | 19:13 |
| Blazeix | that movie has forever ruined the word 'electrolytes' for me. | 19:13 |
| snap-l | ;) | 19:13 |
| * krondor contemplates an order of brawndo 'the thirst mutilator' from http://www.brawndo.com/ | 19:20 | |
| rick_h | who was it saying the path was php-> ruby ? https://twitter.com/#!/nbashaw/status/161891650166202368 | 19:25 |
| tjagoda | Hm | 19:28 |
| tjagoda | I wonder how I can test my cell for inbound international calling. | 19:29 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: Post your cell # on reddit and see what happens. | 19:29 |
| snap-l | rick_h: I think that was either you or me | 19:29 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: Or head into Ubuntu-COmmunity-Teams and ask someone in there to call you | 19:30 |
| rick_h | can't believe I'm sitting down with a book on Make | 19:33 |
| rick_h | snap-l: tell John to quit making the staples_dash tests fail :P | 19:35 |
| rick_h | I must still be setup in there in jenkins, getting failed to build emails | 19:35 |
| snap-l | Are you still getting e-mail? :) | 19:35 |
| snap-l | Ugh | 19:35 |
| rick_h | bah, note to self. Read the OReilly email BEFORE you buy the book so that you can use the fancy discount codes | 19:37 |
| snap-l | whoops | 19:37 |
| snap-l | Did you have the ebook version or the print version registered? | 19:38 |
| rick_h | no, just bought a new ebook and then saw 20% off deals in their periodic email | 19:38 |
| snap-l | Oh, nuts | 19:38 |
| rick_h | yea, doh! | 19:39 |
| snap-l | I usually make a trip to retailmenot.com for non dotd oreilly purchases | 19:39 |
| snap-l | They're really good about keeping some form of special running | 19:39 |
| brousch | your user groups should have a discount code | 19:41 |
| rick_h | brousch: yea, I signed us up for it and forget to ever use it | 19:41 |
| snap-l | We used to(?) not sure if we still do | 19:41 |
| snap-l | rick_h: POst to discuss? :) | 19:41 |
| rick_h | umm, no :P | 19:42 |
| brousch | we hvae buy 1 get 1 free code DSUG2 | 19:42 |
| rick_h | yea, that one was in the email I read after buying | 19:43 |
| brousch | write it down, use it | 19:43 |
| rick_h | and a series of 20% codes for various conferences oging on | 19:43 |
| rick_h | and our group code is 35% if I recall | 19:43 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Why not? That might be useful information (for a change). ;) | 19:43 |
| brousch | if i were smart i'd put them all in an evernote so i could find them easily | 19:45 |
| brousch | save 40% on print books and 50% on ebooks with DSUG | 19:54 |
| jrwren | im so happy that rick_h is going to be a make guru, now I can ask him stuff | 20:18 |
| jrwren | rick_h: get the autotools stuff too | 20:18 |
| snap-l | Yeah, rick_h, you should be able to make a configure file by hand when this is done. ;) | 20:18 |
| jrwren | lol @ configure by hand. | 20:19 |
| jrwren | that is NUTS | 20:19 |
| snap-l | I've written one by hand (while looking at some examples). It's not fun. | 20:20 |
| snap-l | I think I just gave up and tried to make the Makefile more intelligent | 20:21 |
| jrwren | why? | 20:21 |
| snap-l | been a while. | 20:21 |
| snap-l | jrwren: why? | 20:21 |
| jrwren | yes why? | 20:21 |
| snap-l | which why? writing one by hand? | 20:22 |
| jrwren | yes | 20:22 |
| snap-l | Stupidity? Youthful exuberance? | 20:22 |
| jrwren | fair enugh | 20:22 |
| snap-l | Not knowing about how autotools worked | 20:22 |
| snap-l | (that's the real reason) | 20:22 |
| jrwren | right | 20:23 |
| jrwren | that falls under stupidity and youthful exuberance :) | 20:23 |
| snap-l | heh | 20:24 |
| snap-l | Hmm... seems __del__ is not called whenever I raise an exception | 20:24 |
| snap-l | (python) | 20:25 |
| llua | http://finance.yahoo.com/news/dell-oem-solutions-makes-available-140000419.html | 20:49 |
| snap-l | interesting | 20:51 |
| snap-l | Interesting too that they're calling SUSE the first Linux vendor to the Del OEM technology Partner Program | 20:53 |
| brousch | i'm loving google chome apps lately. have one for evernote and google music | 21:04 |
| Blazeix | brousch++, me too | 21:10 |
| brousch | oh cool. in kubuntu i can set it to always open on a specific desktop maximmized | 21:13 |
| brousch | so i can pin it to desktop 9 and it'll always be there | 21:14 |
| Blazeix | under Awesome i basically have a tag per chrome web app, so I have my music workspace, email workspace, etc. | 21:14 |
| brousch | yeah, so desktop 10 is google music app, 9 is evernote app | 21:14 |
| brousch | by convention desktop 1 is my work browser crap, 2 is personal browser crap, 3 is pidgin, 4 is actual work | 21:15 |
| Blazeix | so... "intenterface" | 21:31 |
| brousch | eh? | 21:34 |
| Blazeix | http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/939 | 21:34 |
| brousch | blah | 21:37 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | HUD hmmm | 21:53 |
| tjagoda | ohi | 22:37 |
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