[00:04] ruhoh [00:04] disk sounds loud in this laptop [00:05] Might be the excuse that breaks my will and has me plunk down for an SSD =( [00:20] ssd ftw [00:25] Yeah [00:25] just dont want to spend the $$ tho [00:26] Has the market leveled in terms of performance? [00:26] I remember when Intel was king of SSD's. [00:27] yea, some, but I'm still hesitent to move outside of intel [00:27] but I'm not a big risk taker [00:27] I like OCZ, but it can be a gamble [00:28] I happened to win that gamble, and have a really fast ssd, but i've heard horror stories about reliability [00:28] yea [00:34] Does canonical tell you if they reject your app? [00:35] not sure how the app process works [00:35] I'd imagine they would, they're very eager to help/get people involved [00:35] It says "open," I was unsure if they actually go through and cull out the hordes [00:35] Or if they only communicate to the serious candidates [00:36] not sure [00:40] Your SSD, is it your primary drive? [00:43] yea [00:43] on my laptop it's my only drive [00:43] and on my desktop it's / and /home is a normal drive [01:23] tjagoda: They'll let you know if they don't accept your app [01:23] it's pretty impersonal, but at least they have a response. [01:23] oh, cool [01:23] Not that I would know or anything. :) [01:25] Went and looked at fish tanks this evening [01:25] When it's all said and done, this is going to be rather expensive. [01:25] Seems like there's a huge price increase when you hit 20+ gal [01:30] Are you investing in fish futures? [01:30] Yes [01:30] hopefully in their long living futures. [02:29] http://openmetalcast.com/2012/01/23/open-metalcast-episode-39-catch-up-mustve-heard-and-relish/ [11:39] g'morning [11:40] ugh [12:09] That good, eh? [12:10] feel like crap today, rough morning [12:21] rick_h: Sorry to hear that. :( [12:21] Morning [12:41] morning [12:42] got my thanks-but-no-thanks from Canonical [12:43] Wolfger: Sorry to hear that [12:43] :( [12:43] On the flip side, I've gotten quite few of those. [12:43] makes you feel better I got a pair of those [12:43] insert 'a" in there [12:43] heh [12:43] and we go for the same line [12:44] rick_h: Yep [12:44] Wolfger: I know exactly how you feel, though [12:44] Well, at least I know and I'm not waiting to hear. Wonder if tjagoda got his or if he's in the hunt [12:45] They were probably "Michigan, again? We need to spread it out more." :-) [12:46] hah, state quota exceeded [12:50] heh [12:50] WE need more uruguayans [12:52] http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/postgresql-for-wordpress/ <- I wish Wordpress supported PostgreSQL out of the box [12:53] and without a plugin [12:54] problem is scaling requires a non-crappy ORM and they just ditch it and go mysql [12:54] http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Alternative_Databases [12:54] Sadly, they need someone smart like Michael to make it work [12:55] (Bayer, iirc) [12:56] Wow, people are really demanding of html5 [12:56] http://html5.please.us [12:56] http://html5please.us <- rather [12:57] waiting for html5makemeasandwich.us [13:22] love this https://twitter.com/#!/alex_gaynor/status/161797413936431105 [13:25] that has convinced you to switch? [13:25] you have a lot of porn site ideas in the queue? [13:32] I just think that's a great summary for a project [13:32] "we make porn and big media sites kinda easy...might help with other things to, but meh we're not following that too close" [13:42] Wasn't that one of the other things that made Turbogears awesome too? [13:43] yea, TG biggests site was a porn site long ago [13:43] hard to put on the wall of fame to show off your framework :) [13:46] depends on who you're catering to [13:46] for instance, i would not be offended by that [13:48] Just have a LOT of pixellation. [13:50] "Sites using (framework): bobsfish.com, quickietshirts.com, anal-destroyers.com [13:52] shows it's scalable [13:57] speaking of anal-destroyers ... [13:57] o.O [13:58] I am opposed to this title. [13:59] well then you shouldn't have missed last night's meeting where it was voted on [14:00] But I was here last night, and definitely witnessed no meeting =( [14:00] * tjagoda smells skullduggery [14:14] snap-l: is that pgsql for wordpress maintained? [14:18] Windows Live Essentials and Bing Bar are my most frequently uninstalled applications. [14:18] Blasted users. [14:18] what is wrong with live essentials? [14:19] i need my live writer! [14:19] bing bar? [14:19] you let your users user IE? [14:19] lol, good point. [14:19] jrwren: It allegedly runs up until 3.2.1 [14:20] has a date of 9/2011 as the last release [14:20] snap-l: not bad. [14:20] jrwren: It's more recent than the other attempts [14:20] but I still don't trust it [14:21] i like the idea. [14:21] though it seems like if you are gonna do that, might as well go all the way to nosql [14:21] wordpress on mongodb :p [14:21] jrwren: I'm glad it exists, but I'm really hoping native PGSQL comes soon [14:22] jrwren: That would be sweet. [14:22] i don't think it is a goal at all. [14:22] jrwren: From the discussion, it seems like a "yeah, we really should do this, but it's non-trivial" [14:25] http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=w_WW-DHqR3c [14:25] hi, can Debian and ubuntu share a /home dir? [14:25] I call this the successful completion of gnome do taking over ubuntu [14:25] Raggs: probably wouldn't reccomend it [14:25] they'll be competing over the same .gnome and such directories [14:25] Raggs: At the same time? No [14:25] and the software will be the different versions/etc [14:25] rick_h: ++ [14:26] snap-l, well only one will be booted at a time [14:26] I have to let my users use IE [14:26] Raggs: I'd recommend if you need files with both versions to create a shared area [14:26] Automotive supplier websites that dont work outside it [14:26] and put the files that are to be shared in that area. [14:26] yep, sounds like an idea [14:27] And asking them to use two browsers would frankly blow a few of their minds. =( [14:27] Dont get me wrong, my users are not mindless drones [14:27] But yeah =( [14:33] mine use FF for everything but those crappy sites [14:34] it does not hurt their minds [14:38] Do yours refer to everything as "the internet?" [14:38] or alternatively, e-mails [14:39] http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/372385/ubuntu-rips-up-drop-down-menus <- Ugh [14:40] ... waiting for adfarm.mediaplex.com [14:40] there it goes [14:41] OK, it's a little interesting [14:41] but accessibility is just taking it in the neck, isn't it? [14:42] Why is this going into 12.04, as well? [14:42] I thought the idea was stability, quality, etc [14:42] well technically it can be more accessable if it helps allow better search through menus vs hunt/peck :) [14:42] Apparently it's quality, unless there's a really cool feature [14:42] but yea, this is agiant whatever [14:43] lol [14:43] but check out Mark's blog post. They've got 90% test coverage [14:44] Yeah, that's awesome. [14:45] I'm just trying to figure out how to explain this new interface to my parents [14:45] they're still on 10.04 [14:46] AS long as it degrades nicely for apps that are, well, Java, this should be pretty interesting. [14:50] I am a fan of hunt and peck [14:50] especially when I cant remember wtf the name of my program is [14:51] Most frequently happens with Libre office [14:51] whenever I need to remember what the powerpoint equiv is called [14:52] <_stink_> even though my workflow is pretty well established, and i will likely never use any of this new GUI stuff... i have to say i'm so happy someone is pushing the envelope. [14:52] I'm just pissed focus follows mouse is dead [14:53] NERDRAGE! [14:53] <_stink_> hehehe [14:53] <_stink_> can't you just use twm? [14:53] I refuse to believe that anybody other than a reanimated Steve Jobs can advance UI design! [14:54] snap-l: FFM works well for me [14:54] also, my computer looks pretty much like 10.04 [14:56] Same here [14:56] Only less orange, and more blue [14:56] i'm sure you could find an orangish theme [14:57] brousch: Yes, I'm sure it does, but I'd have to get over a new problem [14:57] mainly throwing up in my mouth every time I moused over something. [14:57] your prejudices are clouding your mind [14:58] (slow draw) THIS IS A WINDOW. YOU CAN USE THIS WINDOW TO DO SHIT [14:58] free yourself from your gnomish bonds [14:58] gnever. [14:58] ok, that made me snort [14:58] ;) [14:59] OK, meeting time [15:00] snap-l: tell the family I said hello :P [15:01] whats a good command to see all computer ip/s on my local network [15:02] mydogsnameisrudy: nmap http://nmap.org/book/man-host-discovery.html [15:02] thank you [15:09] The point: evaluate the technology against your problem, and aim to get good fit. [15:09] oops [15:09] https://plus.google.com/u/0/106413090159067280619/posts/Pb8E7XBwYGY [15:09] is what I meant to paste [15:09] stupid synergy [15:21] That makes me sad [15:21] = [15:21] =( * [15:37] rick_h: wow, that is scary [15:37] yea, that's the kind of room I'd love to be sitting in the back in [15:38] "Jobs was a sucky blow hard!!!!" and then run out [15:50] Oooh, HTML 5 Cookbook on dotd [15:58] ok, wow. copying big files through dolphin, it puts the whole file into ram [15:58] Ok, I don't have that one yet. [15:59] brousch: You're doing it wrong [15:59] copy, paste [15:59] brousch: You're doing it wrong [15:59] :P [15:59] rsync FTW [15:59] rsync from my camera? [15:59] Yes [15:59] :-P [16:00] i took HD video of last night's meeting. it's in 4 files of 2-3GB each [16:01] that 3GB is gonna be a bitch [16:01] i really need more ram [16:02] Is it mounting the camera as a Mass Storage Device? [16:02] because if so, rsync should work. :) [16:02] I have mixed feelings about this: http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/24/tech/web/judge-defendant-decrypt-laptop/index.html?hpt=hp_bn6 [16:04] ok, i took the sd card out and tried again [16:04] with just sd card it does not copy the whole thing into ram [16:05] Wolfger: I hate that myself [16:05] through camera, it does [16:05] the camera mounts as some goofball kind of device [16:08] damn, that's much quicker [16:09] brousch: PTP, iirc. [16:09] It's some goofy protocol they use. [16:09] sounds right [16:10] works fine for photos, but is a bitch one these videos [16:10] Means it doesn't mount the device, but it's a lot slower IMHO [16:10] i'll just have to keep that in mind [16:21] brousch: it's probably accessing the camera through PTP [16:22] snap-l:++ didn't see your post :) [16:22] my lack of reading comprehension means its time for lunch bbiab [16:25] Heh [16:31] Hmm. The word "heimlich" translates to "secretly"... Gives a whole new meaning to "the heimlich maneuver" [16:31] Sounds like something I'd want those IR video recording binoculars for [16:33] heh [16:39] I am weak. Have barely touched the other HTML5 books, and I purchased the HTML5 cookbook [16:39] Damn you, O'Reilly [16:40] They're books, not Pokemon [16:42] gotta catch 'em all [17:17] Oldie: http://james-iry.blogspot.com/2009/05/brief-incomplete-and-mostly-wrong.html? [17:25] rick_h: Did you see this: http://bytefluent.com/vivify/ [17:25] nice, no [17:25] Looks like the ultimate way to waste a day in vim. :) [17:26] booo, doesn't update url so I can share the link [18:10] fuck, I'm starting ti tile my windows [18:10] bwuhahahahaha! [18:10] What's happening to me? [18:10] it's inevitable [18:10] This keyboard? It's too quiet. [18:11] My desk, I need to stand [18:11] AAIIIIUUUUGGGHHHH!!! [18:11] * snap-l heads to shop.lenovo.com to calm down [18:11] snap-l: please tell me you didn't eat the tin of green M&Ms rick_h left in his desk [18:12] brousch: Worse, I touched the Dr. Pepper [18:12] Diet Dr. Pepper [18:12] noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo [18:17] Do you have Das Keyboard? [18:29] omg [18:29] Got a follow up email from canonical [18:29] yay> [18:30] i'm sorry there are already too many canonical employees that are a member of #ubuntu-us-mi we need to share the love to more user groups? [18:32] Sounds like they want to communicate the scope and my expectations regarding the role. [18:49] tjagoda: Nice! [18:49] At least you got past the first hurdle [19:00] tjagoda: sweet [19:01] lamo, ok I feel better now https://twitter.com/#!/ganson/status/161799371313254401 [19:02] Praise the lords for google, and easy time zone conversion tools [19:06] rick_h: I desperately hope this is for the little children sent to buy mommy and daddy cigarettes. [19:06] because if not, I weep [19:07] hmmm, getting that urge to punch babies. How the !@#! do make files, buildout files, and all that crap actually work? [19:07] magic [19:08] What's the trouble with make files? [19:08] "something is building a build/js/yui directory...who is doing it?" [19:09] Got root on the machine? [19:09] "oh, so make runs some buildout stuff, buildout has tepmlates for bin-templates/xxx files that get put into /bin/xxx and then those get magically operated on by unicorns with directory variables back from the make files" [19:09] make the directories, run chmod 0000 on them as root, and see what blows up [19:10] Not elegant, but it should work [19:10] ( http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/expresslane.asp ) [19:11] Blazeix: boooo quit messing with my happy bits of the day [19:11] :P [19:12] heh [19:12] Blazeix: It's just a matter of time until it's a real sign [19:12] I firmly believe Idiocracy is a roadmap [19:12] "It's got what plant's crave!" [19:13] note the apostrophe usage. I feel stupider already. [19:13] that movie has forever ruined the word 'electrolytes' for me. [19:13] ;) [19:20] * krondor contemplates an order of brawndo 'the thirst mutilator' from http://www.brawndo.com/ [19:25] who was it saying the path was php-> ruby ? https://twitter.com/#!/nbashaw/status/161891650166202368 [19:28] Hm [19:29] I wonder how I can test my cell for inbound international calling. [19:29] tjagoda: Post your cell # on reddit and see what happens. [19:29] rick_h: I think that was either you or me [19:30] tjagoda: Or head into Ubuntu-COmmunity-Teams and ask someone in there to call you [19:33] can't believe I'm sitting down with a book on Make [19:35] snap-l: tell John to quit making the staples_dash tests fail :P [19:35] I must still be setup in there in jenkins, getting failed to build emails [19:35] Are you still getting e-mail? :) [19:35] Ugh [19:37] bah, note to self. Read the OReilly email BEFORE you buy the book so that you can use the fancy discount codes [19:37] whoops [19:38] Did you have the ebook version or the print version registered? [19:38] no, just bought a new ebook and then saw 20% off deals in their periodic email [19:38] Oh, nuts [19:39] yea, doh! [19:39] I usually make a trip to retailmenot.com for non dotd oreilly purchases [19:39] They're really good about keeping some form of special running [19:41] your user groups should have a discount code [19:41] brousch: yea, I signed us up for it and forget to ever use it [19:41] We used to(?) not sure if we still do [19:41] rick_h: POst to discuss? :) [19:42] umm, no :P [19:42] we hvae buy 1 get 1 free code DSUG2 [19:43] yea, that one was in the email I read after buying [19:43] write it down, use it [19:43] and a series of 20% codes for various conferences oging on [19:43] and our group code is 35% if I recall [19:43] rick_h: Why not? That might be useful information (for a change). ;) [19:45] if i were smart i'd put them all in an evernote so i could find them easily [19:54] save 40% on print books and 50% on ebooks with DSUG [20:18] im so happy that rick_h is going to be a make guru, now I can ask him stuff [20:18] rick_h: get the autotools stuff too [20:18] Yeah, rick_h, you should be able to make a configure file by hand when this is done. ;) [20:19] lol @ configure by hand. [20:19] that is NUTS [20:20] I've written one by hand (while looking at some examples). It's not fun. [20:21] I think I just gave up and tried to make the Makefile more intelligent [20:21] why? [20:21] been a while. [20:21] jrwren: why? [20:21] yes why? [20:22] which why? writing one by hand? [20:22] yes [20:22] Stupidity? Youthful exuberance? [20:22] fair enugh [20:22] Not knowing about how autotools worked [20:22] (that's the real reason) [20:23] right [20:23] that falls under stupidity and youthful exuberance :) [20:24] heh [20:24] Hmm... seems __del__ is not called whenever I raise an exception [20:25] (python) [20:49] http://finance.yahoo.com/news/dell-oem-solutions-makes-available-140000419.html [20:51] interesting [20:53] Interesting too that they're calling SUSE the first Linux vendor to the Del OEM technology Partner Program [21:04] i'm loving google chome apps lately. have one for evernote and google music [21:10] brousch++, me too [21:13] oh cool. in kubuntu i can set it to always open on a specific desktop maximmized [21:14] so i can pin it to desktop 9 and it'll always be there [21:14] under Awesome i basically have a tag per chrome web app, so I have my music workspace, email workspace, etc. [21:14] yeah, so desktop 10 is google music app, 9 is evernote app [21:15] by convention desktop 1 is my work browser crap, 2 is personal browser crap, 3 is pidgin, 4 is actual work [21:31] so... "intenterface" [21:34] eh? [21:34] http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/939 [21:37] blah [21:53] HUD hmmm [22:37] ohi