[00:04] <tjagoda> ruhoh
[00:04] <tjagoda> disk sounds loud in this laptop
[00:05] <tjagoda> Might be the excuse that breaks my will and has me plunk down for an SSD =(
[00:20] <rick_h> ssd ftw
[00:25] <tjagoda> Yeah
[00:25] <tjagoda> just dont want to spend the $$ tho
[00:26] <tjagoda> Has the market leveled in terms of performance?
[00:26] <tjagoda> I remember when Intel was king of SSD's.
[00:27] <rick_h> yea, some, but I'm still hesitent to move outside of intel
[00:27] <rick_h> but I'm not a big risk taker
[00:27] <Blazeix> I like OCZ, but it can be a gamble
[00:28] <Blazeix> I happened to win that gamble, and have a really fast ssd, but i've heard horror stories about reliability
[00:28] <rick_h> yea
[00:34] <tjagoda> Does canonical tell you if they reject your app?
[00:35] <rick_h> not sure how the app process works
[00:35] <rick_h> I'd imagine they would, they're very eager to help/get people involved
[00:35] <tjagoda> It says "open," I was unsure if they actually go through and cull out the hordes
[00:35] <tjagoda> Or if they only communicate to the serious candidates
[00:36] <rick_h> not sure
[00:40] <tjagoda> Your SSD, is it your primary drive?
[00:43] <rick_h> yea
[00:43] <rick_h> on my laptop it's my only drive
[00:43] <rick_h> and on my desktop it's / and /home is a normal drive
[01:23] <snap-l> tjagoda: They'll let you know if they don't accept your app
[01:23] <snap-l> it's pretty impersonal, but at least they have a response.
[01:23] <tjagoda> oh, cool
[01:23] <snap-l> Not that I would know or anything. :)
[01:25] <snap-l> Went and looked at fish tanks this evening
[01:25] <snap-l> When it's all said and done, this is going to be rather expensive.
[01:25] <snap-l> Seems like there's a huge price increase when you hit 20+ gal
[01:30] <tjagoda> Are you investing in fish futures?
[01:30] <snap-l> Yes
[01:30] <snap-l> hopefully in their long living futures.
[02:29] <snap-l> http://openmetalcast.com/2012/01/23/open-metalcast-episode-39-catch-up-mustve-heard-and-relish/
[11:39] <snap-l> g'morning
[11:40] <rick_h> ugh
[12:09] <snap-l> That good, eh?
[12:10] <rick_h> feel like crap today, rough morning
[12:21] <snap-l> rick_h: Sorry to hear that. :(
[12:21] <mydogsnameisrudy> Morning
[12:41] <Wolfger> morning
[12:42] <Wolfger> got my thanks-but-no-thanks from Canonical
[12:43] <snap-l> Wolfger: Sorry to hear that
[12:43] <rick_h> :(
[12:43] <snap-l> On the flip side, I've gotten quite  few of those.
[12:43] <rick_h> makes you feel better I got a pair of those
[12:43] <snap-l> insert 'a" in there
[12:43] <rick_h> heh
[12:43] <rick_h> and we go for the same line
[12:44] <snap-l> rick_h: Yep
[12:44] <snap-l> Wolfger: I know exactly how you feel, though
[12:44] <Wolfger> Well, at least I know and I'm not waiting to hear. Wonder if tjagoda got his or if he's in the hunt
[12:45] <Wolfger> They were probably "Michigan, again? We need to spread it out more." :-)
[12:46] <rick_h> hah, state quota exceeded
[12:50] <snap-l> heh
[12:50] <snap-l> WE need more uruguayans
[12:52] <snap-l> http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/postgresql-for-wordpress/ <- I wish Wordpress supported PostgreSQL out of the box
[12:53] <snap-l> and without a plugin
[12:54] <rick_h> problem is scaling requires a non-crappy ORM and they just ditch it and go mysql
[12:54] <snap-l> http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Alternative_Databases
[12:54] <snap-l> Sadly, they need someone smart like Michael to make it work
[12:55] <snap-l> (Bayer, iirc)
[12:56] <snap-l> Wow, people are really demanding of html5
[12:56] <snap-l> http://html5.please.us
[12:56] <snap-l> http://html5please.us <- rather
[12:57] <snap-l> waiting for html5makemeasandwich.us
[13:22] <rick_h> love this https://twitter.com/#!/alex_gaynor/status/161797413936431105
[13:25] <brousch> that has convinced you to switch?
[13:25] <brousch> you have a lot of porn site ideas in the queue?
[13:32] <rick_h> I just think that's a great summary for a project
[13:32] <rick_h> "we make porn and big media sites kinda easy...might help with other things to, but meh we're not following that too close"
[13:42] <snap-l> Wasn't that one of the other things that made Turbogears awesome too?
[13:43] <rick_h> yea, TG biggests site was a porn site long ago
[13:43] <rick_h> hard to put on the wall of fame to show off your framework :)
[13:46] <brousch> depends on who you're catering to
[13:46] <brousch> for instance, i would not be offended by that
[13:48] <snap-l> Just have a LOT of pixellation.
[13:50] <snap-l> "Sites using (framework): bobsfish.com, quickietshirts.com, anal-destroyers.com
[13:52] <brousch> shows it's scalable
[13:57] <brousch> speaking of anal-destroyers ...
[13:57] <tjagoda> o.O
[13:58] <tjagoda> I am opposed to this title.
[13:59] <brousch> well then you shouldn't have missed last night's meeting where it was voted on
[14:00] <tjagoda> But I was here last night, and definitely witnessed no meeting =(
[14:00]  * tjagoda smells skullduggery 
[14:14] <jrwren> snap-l: is that pgsql for wordpress maintained?
[14:18] <tjagoda> Windows Live Essentials and Bing Bar are my most frequently uninstalled applications.
[14:18] <tjagoda> Blasted users.
[14:18] <jrwren> what is wrong with live essentials?
[14:19] <jrwren> i need my live writer!
[14:19] <brousch> bing bar?
[14:19] <brousch> you let your users user IE?
[14:19] <jrwren> lol, good point.
[14:19] <snap-l> jrwren: It allegedly runs up until 3.2.1
[14:20] <snap-l> has a date of 9/2011 as the last release
[14:20] <jrwren> snap-l: not bad.
[14:20] <snap-l> jrwren: It's more recent than the other attempts
[14:20] <snap-l> but I still don't trust it
[14:21] <jrwren> i like the idea.
[14:21] <jrwren> though it seems like if you are gonna do that, might as well go all the way to nosql
[14:21] <jrwren> wordpress on mongodb :p
[14:21] <snap-l> jrwren: I'm glad it exists, but I'm really hoping native PGSQL comes soon
[14:22] <snap-l> jrwren: That would be sweet.
[14:22] <jrwren> i don't think it is a goal at all.
[14:22] <snap-l> jrwren: From the discussion, it seems like a "yeah, we really should do this, but it's non-trivial"
[14:25] <rick_h> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=w_WW-DHqR3c
[14:25] <Raggs> hi, can Debian and ubuntu share a /home dir?
[14:25] <rick_h> I call this the successful completion of gnome do taking over ubuntu
[14:25] <rick_h> Raggs: probably wouldn't reccomend it
[14:25] <rick_h> they'll be competing over the same .gnome and such directories
[14:25] <snap-l> Raggs: At the same time? No
[14:25] <rick_h> and the software will be the different versions/etc
[14:25] <snap-l> rick_h: ++
[14:26] <Raggs> snap-l, well only one will be booted at a time
[14:26] <tjagoda> I have to let my users use IE
[14:26] <snap-l> Raggs: I'd recommend if you need files with both versions to create a shared area
[14:26] <tjagoda> Automotive supplier websites that dont work outside it
[14:26] <snap-l> and put the files that are to be shared in that area.
[14:26] <Raggs> yep, sounds like an idea
[14:27] <tjagoda> And asking them to use two browsers would frankly blow a few of their minds. =(
[14:27] <tjagoda> Dont get me wrong, my users are not mindless drones
[14:27] <tjagoda> But yeah =(
[14:33] <brousch> mine use FF for everything but those crappy sites
[14:34] <brousch> it does not hurt their minds
[14:38] <tjagoda> Do yours refer to everything as "the internet?"
[14:38] <tjagoda> or alternatively, e-mails
[14:39] <snap-l> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/372385/ubuntu-rips-up-drop-down-menus <- Ugh
[14:40] <rick_h> ... waiting for adfarm.mediaplex.com
[14:40] <rick_h> there it goes
[14:41] <snap-l> OK, it's a little interesting
[14:41] <snap-l> but accessibility is just taking it in the neck, isn't it?
[14:42] <snap-l> Why is this going into 12.04, as well?
[14:42] <snap-l> I thought the idea was stability, quality, etc
[14:42] <rick_h> well technically it can be more accessable if it helps allow better search through menus vs hunt/peck :)
[14:42] <snap-l> Apparently it's quality, unless there's a really cool feature
[14:42] <rick_h> but yea, this is agiant whatever
[14:43] <rick_h> lol
[14:43] <rick_h> but check out Mark's blog post. They've got 90% test coverage
[14:44] <snap-l> Yeah, that's awesome.
[14:45] <snap-l> I'm just trying to figure out how to explain this new interface to my parents
[14:45] <snap-l> they're still on 10.04
[14:46] <snap-l> AS long as it degrades nicely for apps that are, well, Java, this should be pretty interesting.
[14:50] <tjagoda> I am a fan of hunt and peck
[14:50] <tjagoda> especially when I cant remember wtf the name of my program is
[14:51] <tjagoda> Most frequently happens with Libre office
[14:51] <tjagoda> whenever I need to remember what the powerpoint equiv is called
[14:52] <_stink_> even though my workflow is pretty well established, and i will likely never use any of this new GUI stuff... i have to say i'm so happy someone is pushing the envelope.
[14:52] <snap-l> I'm just pissed focus follows mouse is dead
[14:53] <snap-l> NERDRAGE!
[14:53] <_stink_> hehehe
[14:53] <_stink_> can't you just use twm?
[14:53] <tjagoda> I refuse to believe that anybody other than a reanimated Steve Jobs can advance UI design!
[14:54] <brousch> snap-l: FFM works well for me
[14:54] <brousch> also, my computer looks pretty much like 10.04
[14:56] <tjagoda> Same here
[14:56] <tjagoda> Only less orange, and more blue
[14:56] <brousch> i'm sure you could find an orangish theme
[14:57] <snap-l> brousch: Yes, I'm sure it does, but I'd have to get over a new problem
[14:57] <snap-l> mainly throwing up in my mouth every time I moused over something.
[14:57] <brousch> your prejudices are clouding your mind
[14:58] <snap-l> (slow draw) THIS IS A WINDOW. YOU CAN USE THIS WINDOW TO DO SHIT
[14:58] <brousch> free yourself from your gnomish bonds
[14:58] <snap-l> gnever.
[14:58] <brousch> ok, that made me snort
[14:58] <snap-l> ;)
[14:59] <snap-l> OK, meeting time
[15:00] <rick_h> snap-l: tell the family I said hello :P
[15:01] <mydogsnameisrudy> whats a good command to see all computer ip/s on my local network
[15:02] <rick_h> mydogsnameisrudy: nmap http://nmap.org/book/man-host-discovery.html
[15:02] <mydogsnameisrudy> thank you
[15:09] <rick_h> The point: evaluate the technology against your problem, and aim to get good fit.
[15:09] <rick_h> oops
[15:09] <rick_h> https://plus.google.com/u/0/106413090159067280619/posts/Pb8E7XBwYGY
[15:09] <rick_h> is what I meant to paste
[15:09] <rick_h> stupid synergy
[15:21] <tjagoda> That makes me sad
[15:21] <tjagoda> =
[15:21] <tjagoda> =( *
[15:37] <brousch> rick_h: wow, that is scary
[15:37] <rick_h> yea,  that's the kind of room I'd love to be sitting in the back in
[15:38] <rick_h> "Jobs was a sucky blow hard!!!!" and then run out
[15:50] <Wolfger> Oooh, HTML 5 Cookbook on dotd
[15:58] <brousch> ok, wow. copying big files through dolphin, it puts the whole file into ram
[15:58] <snap-l> Ok, I don't have that one yet.
[15:59] <snap-l> brousch: You're doing it wrong
[15:59] <brousch> copy, paste
[15:59] <snap-l> brousch: You're doing it wrong
[15:59] <brousch> :P
[15:59] <snap-l> rsync FTW
[15:59] <brousch> rsync from my camera?
[15:59] <snap-l> Yes
[15:59] <snap-l> :-P
[16:00] <brousch> i took HD video of last night's meeting. it's in 4 files of 2-3GB each
[16:01] <brousch> that 3GB is gonna be a bitch
[16:01] <brousch> i really need more ram
[16:02] <snap-l> Is it mounting the camera as a Mass Storage Device?
[16:02] <snap-l> because if so, rsync should work. :)
[16:02] <Wolfger> I have mixed feelings about this: http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/24/tech/web/judge-defendant-decrypt-laptop/index.html?hpt=hp_bn6
[16:04] <brousch> ok, i took the sd card out and tried again
[16:04] <brousch> with just sd card it does not copy the whole thing into ram
[16:05] <rick_h> Wolfger: I hate that myself
[16:05] <brousch> through camera, it does
[16:05] <brousch> the camera mounts as some goofball kind of device
[16:08] <brousch> damn, that's much quicker
[16:09] <snap-l> brousch: PTP, iirc.
[16:09] <snap-l> It's some goofy protocol they use.
[16:09] <brousch> sounds right
[16:10] <brousch> works fine for photos, but is a bitch one these videos
[16:10] <snap-l> Means it doesn't mount the device, but it's a lot slower IMHO
[16:10] <brousch> i'll just have to keep that in mind
[16:21] <krondor> brousch:  it's probably accessing the camera through PTP
[16:22] <krondor> snap-l:++ didn't see your post :)
[16:22] <krondor> my lack of reading comprehension means its time for lunch bbiab
[16:25] <snap-l> Heh
[16:31] <Wolfger> Hmm. The word "heimlich" translates to "secretly"... Gives a whole new meaning to "the heimlich maneuver"
[16:31] <Wolfger> Sounds like something I'd want those IR video recording binoculars for
[16:33] <snap-l> heh
[16:39] <snap-l> I am weak. Have barely touched the other HTML5 books, and I purchased the HTML5 cookbook
[16:39] <snap-l> Damn you, O'Reilly
[16:40] <snap-l> They're books, not Pokemon
[16:42] <Wolfger> gotta catch 'em all
[17:17] <snap-l> Oldie: http://james-iry.blogspot.com/2009/05/brief-incomplete-and-mostly-wrong.html?
[17:25] <snap-l> rick_h: Did you see this: http://bytefluent.com/vivify/
[17:25] <rick_h> nice, no
[17:25] <snap-l> Looks like the ultimate way to waste a day in vim. :)
[17:26] <rick_h> booo, doesn't update url so I can share the link
[18:10] <snap-l> fuck, I'm starting ti tile my windows
[18:10] <rick_h> bwuhahahahaha!
[18:10] <snap-l> What's happening to me?
[18:10] <rick_h> it's inevitable
[18:10] <snap-l> This keyboard? It's too quiet.
[18:11] <snap-l> My desk, I need to stand
[18:11] <snap-l> AAIIIIUUUUGGGHHHH!!!
[18:11]  * snap-l heads to shop.lenovo.com to calm down
[18:11] <brousch> snap-l: please tell me you didn't eat the tin of green M&Ms rick_h left in his desk
[18:12] <snap-l> brousch: Worse, I touched the Dr. Pepper
[18:12] <snap-l> Diet Dr. Pepper
[18:12] <brousch> noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[18:17] <tjagoda> Do you have Das Keyboard?
[18:29] <tjagoda> omg
[18:29] <tjagoda> Got a follow up email from canonical
[18:29] <jjesse> yay>
[18:30] <jjesse> i'm sorry there are already too many canonical employees that are a member of #ubuntu-us-mi we need to share the love to more user groups?
[18:32] <tjagoda> Sounds like they want to communicate the scope and my expectations regarding the role.
[18:49] <snap-l> tjagoda: Nice!
[18:49] <snap-l> At least you got past the first hurdle
[19:00] <rick_h> tjagoda: sweet
[19:01] <rick_h> lamo, ok I feel better now https://twitter.com/#!/ganson/status/161799371313254401
[19:02] <tjagoda> Praise the lords for google, and easy time zone conversion tools
[19:06] <snap-l> rick_h: I desperately hope this is for the little children sent to buy mommy and daddy cigarettes.
[19:06] <snap-l> because if not, I weep
[19:07] <rick_h> hmmm, getting that urge to punch babies. How the !@#! do make files, buildout files, and all that crap actually work?
[19:07] <snap-l> magic
[19:08] <snap-l> What's the trouble with make files?
[19:08] <rick_h> "something is building a build/js/yui directory...who is doing it?"
[19:09] <snap-l> Got root on the machine?
[19:09] <rick_h> "oh, so make runs some buildout stuff, buildout has tepmlates for bin-templates/xxx files that get put into /bin/xxx and then those get magically operated on by unicorns with directory variables back from the make files"
[19:09] <snap-l> make the directories, run chmod 0000 on them as root, and see what blows up
[19:10] <snap-l> Not elegant, but it should work
[19:10] <Blazeix> ( http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/expresslane.asp )
[19:11] <rick_h> Blazeix: boooo quit messing with my happy bits of the day
[19:11] <rick_h> :P
[19:12] <Blazeix> heh
[19:12] <snap-l> Blazeix: It's just a matter of time until it's a real sign
[19:12] <snap-l> I firmly believe Idiocracy is a roadmap
[19:12] <snap-l> "It's got what plant's crave!"
[19:13] <snap-l> note the apostrophe usage. I feel stupider already.
[19:13] <Blazeix> that movie has forever ruined the word 'electrolytes' for me.
[19:13] <snap-l> ;)
[19:20]  * krondor contemplates an order of brawndo 'the thirst mutilator' from http://www.brawndo.com/
[19:25] <rick_h> who was it saying the path was php-> ruby ? https://twitter.com/#!/nbashaw/status/161891650166202368
[19:28] <tjagoda> Hm
[19:29] <tjagoda> I wonder how I can test my cell for inbound international calling.
[19:29] <snap-l> tjagoda: Post your cell # on reddit and see what happens.
[19:29] <snap-l> rick_h: I think that was either you or me
[19:30] <snap-l> tjagoda: Or head into Ubuntu-COmmunity-Teams and ask someone in there to call you
[19:33] <rick_h> can't believe I'm sitting down with a book on Make
[19:35] <rick_h> snap-l: tell John to quit making the staples_dash tests fail :P
[19:35] <rick_h> I must still be setup in there in jenkins, getting failed to build emails
[19:35] <snap-l> Are you still getting e-mail? :)
[19:35] <snap-l> Ugh
[19:37] <rick_h> bah, note to self. Read the OReilly email BEFORE you buy the book so that you can use the fancy discount codes
[19:37] <snap-l> whoops
[19:38] <snap-l> Did you have the ebook version or the print version registered?
[19:38] <rick_h> no, just bought a new ebook and then saw 20% off deals in their periodic email
[19:38] <snap-l> Oh, nuts
[19:39] <rick_h> yea, doh!
[19:39] <snap-l> I usually make a trip to retailmenot.com for non dotd oreilly purchases
[19:39] <snap-l> They're really good about keeping some form of special running
[19:41] <brousch> your user groups should have a discount code
[19:41] <rick_h> brousch: yea, I signed us up for it and forget to ever use it
[19:41] <snap-l> We used to(?) not sure if we still do
[19:41] <snap-l> rick_h: POst to discuss? :)
[19:42] <rick_h> umm, no :P
[19:42] <brousch> we hvae buy 1 get 1 free code DSUG2
[19:43] <rick_h> yea, that one was in the email I read after buying
[19:43] <brousch> write it down, use it
[19:43] <rick_h> and a series of 20% codes for various conferences oging on
[19:43] <rick_h> and our group code is 35% if I recall
[19:43] <snap-l> rick_h: Why not? That might be useful information (for a change). ;)
[19:45] <brousch> if i were smart i'd put them all in an evernote so i could find them easily
[19:54] <brousch> save 40% on print books and 50% on ebooks with DSUG
[20:18] <jrwren> im so happy that rick_h is going to be a make guru, now I can ask him stuff
[20:18] <jrwren> rick_h: get the autotools stuff too
[20:18] <snap-l> Yeah, rick_h, you should be able to make a configure file by hand when this is done. ;)
[20:19] <jrwren> lol @ configure by hand.
[20:19] <jrwren> that is NUTS
[20:20] <snap-l> I've written one by hand (while looking at some examples). It's not fun.
[20:21] <snap-l> I think I just gave up and tried to make the Makefile more intelligent
[20:21] <jrwren> why?
[20:21] <snap-l> been a while.
[20:21] <snap-l> jrwren: why?
[20:21] <jrwren> yes why?
[20:22] <snap-l> which why? writing one by hand?
[20:22] <jrwren> yes
[20:22] <snap-l> Stupidity? Youthful exuberance?
[20:22] <jrwren> fair enugh
[20:22] <snap-l> Not knowing about how autotools worked
[20:22] <snap-l> (that's the real reason)
[20:23] <jrwren> right
[20:23] <jrwren> that falls under stupidity and youthful exuberance :)
[20:24] <snap-l> heh
[20:24] <snap-l> Hmm... seems __del__ is not called whenever I raise an exception
[20:25] <snap-l> (python)
[20:49] <llua> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/dell-oem-solutions-makes-available-140000419.html
[20:51] <snap-l> interesting
[20:53] <snap-l> Interesting too that they're calling SUSE the first Linux vendor to the Del OEM technology Partner Program
[21:04] <brousch> i'm loving google chome apps lately. have one for evernote and google music
[21:10] <Blazeix> brousch++, me too
[21:13] <brousch> oh cool. in kubuntu i can set it to always open on a specific desktop maximmized
[21:14] <brousch> so i can pin it to desktop 9 and it'll always be there
[21:14] <Blazeix> under Awesome i basically have a tag per chrome web app, so I have my music workspace, email workspace, etc.
[21:14] <brousch> yeah, so desktop 10 is google music app, 9 is evernote app
[21:15] <brousch> by convention desktop 1 is my work browser crap, 2 is personal browser crap, 3 is pidgin, 4 is actual work
[21:31] <Blazeix> so... "intenterface"
[21:34] <brousch> eh?
[21:34] <Blazeix> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/939
[21:37] <brousch> blah
[21:53] <mydogsnameisrudy> HUD hmmm
[22:37] <tjagoda> ohi