| dzho | http://www.softwarefreedom.org/blog/2012/jan/12/microsoft-confirms-UEFI-fears-locks-down-ARM/ boo | 00:18 |
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| thafreak | dzho: canonical has been working with arm manufacturers for the last few years | 14:42 |
| thafreak | even if M$ forces some to some how prevent linux from booting, there should be plenty of others that remain open | 14:43 |
| dzho | thafreak: there are plenty of others that are supposedly open now, but that isn't helping. | 14:47 |
| dzho | the problem is ARM isn't so much an architecture as it is a family of architectures. | 14:48 |
| dzho | it's a real mess. | 14:48 |
| thafreak | well, I have faith in openness to prevail on this front | 15:25 |
| thafreak | next to phones/tablets, which android is dominating anyway, one of the biggest arm markets are us...the gadget hackers | 15:26 |
| thafreak | people who install linux on misc routers and anything else that can have linux installed on it... | 15:26 |
| thafreak | manufacturers are starting to embrace that I think... | 15:26 |
| thafreak | it'll just mean that the family of ARM devices that's "windows certified" and can't run linux will hopefully just die off | 15:27 |
| thafreak | cause really, do you see people clamoring for whindows phones? | 15:27 |
| thafreak | they either want an iphone... or can't afford an iphone (or just value freedom) and buy an android device | 15:28 |
| thafreak | unless apple f*ck's up something and pisses off it's market share, I just don't see microsoft gaining enough of a foot hold to cause a problem | 15:28 |
| jrgifford | have you used a WP7 device? | 15:31 |
| paultag | :| | 15:36 |
| dzho | jrgifford: meaning? | 15:50 |
| dzho | (I haven't, but I've heard MS is catching up, as they so often have done in the past) | 15:51 |
| jrgifford | well, if you use WP7, you realize (slowly) that it isn't that bad of a UX | 15:52 |
| jrgifford | granted, everything looks the same because of metro, but it just *looks good*. | 15:52 |
| dzho | I don't think this is something that we can be at all complacent about. | 15:53 |
| dzho | I find that "Linux" users seem to be very complacent about this stuff, because they are still stuck thinking about servers, desktops, and laptops. | 15:54 |
| dzho | servers are still a strength | 15:54 |
| dzho | but desktops were already declining | 15:54 |
| dzho | and laptops now are also declining relative to handhelds | 15:54 |
| jrgifford | tablets/smart phones on the other hand, are steadily rising. | 15:55 |
| dzho | eg, handhelds | 15:55 |
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