[00:18] <dzho> http://www.softwarefreedom.org/blog/2012/jan/12/microsoft-confirms-UEFI-fears-locks-down-ARM/ boo
[14:42] <thafreak> dzho: canonical has been working with arm manufacturers for the last few years
[14:43] <thafreak> even if M$ forces some to some how prevent linux from booting, there should be plenty of others that remain open
[14:47] <dzho> thafreak: there are plenty of others that are supposedly open now, but that isn't helping.
[14:48] <dzho> the problem is ARM isn't so much an architecture as it is a family of architectures.
[14:48] <dzho> it's a real mess.
[15:25] <thafreak> well, I have faith in openness to prevail on this front
[15:26] <thafreak> next to phones/tablets, which android is dominating anyway, one of the biggest arm markets are us...the gadget hackers
[15:26] <thafreak> people who install linux on misc routers and anything else that can have linux installed on it...
[15:26] <thafreak> manufacturers are starting to embrace that I think...
[15:27] <thafreak> it'll just mean that the family of ARM devices that's "windows certified" and can't run linux will hopefully just die off
[15:27] <thafreak> cause really, do you see people clamoring for whindows phones?
[15:28] <thafreak> they either want an iphone... or can't afford an iphone (or just value freedom) and buy an android device
[15:28] <thafreak> unless apple f*ck's up something and pisses off it's market share, I just don't see microsoft gaining enough of a foot hold to cause a problem
[15:31] <jrgifford> have you used a WP7 device?
[15:36] <paultag> :|
[15:50] <dzho> jrgifford: meaning?
[15:51] <dzho> (I haven't, but I've heard MS is catching up, as they so often have done in the past)
[15:52] <jrgifford> well, if you use WP7, you realize (slowly) that it isn't that bad of a UX
[15:52] <jrgifford> granted, everything looks the same because of metro, but it just *looks good*.
[15:53] <dzho> I don't think this is something that we can be at all complacent about.
[15:54] <dzho> I find that "Linux" users seem to be very complacent about this stuff, because they are still stuck thinking about servers, desktops, and laptops.
[15:54] <dzho> servers are still a strength
[15:54] <dzho> but desktops were already declining
[15:54] <dzho> and laptops now are also declining relative to handhelds
[15:55] <jrgifford> tablets/smart phones on the other hand, are steadily rising.
[15:55] <dzho> eg, handhelds