[00:18] http://www.softwarefreedom.org/blog/2012/jan/12/microsoft-confirms-UEFI-fears-locks-down-ARM/ boo [14:42] dzho: canonical has been working with arm manufacturers for the last few years [14:43] even if M$ forces some to some how prevent linux from booting, there should be plenty of others that remain open [14:47] thafreak: there are plenty of others that are supposedly open now, but that isn't helping. [14:48] the problem is ARM isn't so much an architecture as it is a family of architectures. [14:48] it's a real mess. [15:25] well, I have faith in openness to prevail on this front [15:26] next to phones/tablets, which android is dominating anyway, one of the biggest arm markets are us...the gadget hackers [15:26] people who install linux on misc routers and anything else that can have linux installed on it... [15:26] manufacturers are starting to embrace that I think... [15:27] it'll just mean that the family of ARM devices that's "windows certified" and can't run linux will hopefully just die off [15:27] cause really, do you see people clamoring for whindows phones? [15:28] they either want an iphone... or can't afford an iphone (or just value freedom) and buy an android device [15:28] unless apple f*ck's up something and pisses off it's market share, I just don't see microsoft gaining enough of a foot hold to cause a problem [15:31] have you used a WP7 device? [15:36] :| [15:50] jrgifford: meaning? [15:51] (I haven't, but I've heard MS is catching up, as they so often have done in the past) [15:52] well, if you use WP7, you realize (slowly) that it isn't that bad of a UX [15:52] granted, everything looks the same because of metro, but it just *looks good*. [15:53] I don't think this is something that we can be at all complacent about. [15:54] I find that "Linux" users seem to be very complacent about this stuff, because they are still stuck thinking about servers, desktops, and laptops. [15:54] servers are still a strength [15:54] but desktops were already declining [15:54] and laptops now are also declining relative to handhelds [15:55] tablets/smart phones on the other hand, are steadily rising. [15:55] eg, handhelds