[00:13] <BambooVase> is this the right place to ask questions?
[00:20] <urlin2u> BambooVase, for ubuntu stuff yea
[00:22] <BambooVase> ok. I installed ubuntu then I changed to open box, when I changed my openbox gtk-theme, my gnome apps theme doesnt change.
[01:48] <pab> hello some body can help me with a installation_
[01:48] <pab> ?
[01:49] <ibuclaw> pab, what's going wrong?
[01:51] <pab> ibuclaw the installator dosnt recognice my partitions
[01:52] <pab> at the moment of installation dosn't work
[01:52] <pab> didnt see windows 7
[01:53] <pab> or my other partition
[01:53] <pab> says that all the space is unlocated
[01:57] <ibuclaw> pab, does the same come up in partition manager?
[02:01] <ibuclaw> I've seen this sort of thing happen if the disk is formatted for EFI boot.
[02:07] <pab> yes, gparted dosnt recognise my partitiones
[02:07] <pab> partitions
[02:08] <pab> sorry for the delay i was googling
[02:10] <ibuclaw> no problem.
[02:10] <ibuclaw> the last few comments from here may assist: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10889681#post10889681
[02:11] <ibuclaw> I can't really tell you to do anything though.
[02:12] <pab> thnx i will try it
[02:15] <ibuclaw> pab - read it carefully.  I've never done it myself, and playing with partition table may cause irreversible loss of data.
[02:15] <pab> yes i know im working on that
[08:03] <Stephen> Hello?
[08:04] <Guest37778> does anybody have some (probably easy) advice for a n00b to get my internet working on ubuntu-netbook?
[08:45] <Goodguy69> Im having troubles with the Ubuntu Software Center, it says all downloads are from a "Untrusted Source" and stops the downloads. I also have trouble with the Update Manager coming up with errors?
[08:47] <Goodguy69> I have just completed a fresh install and the problem was still there?
[08:48]  * benonsoftware is thinking something with GPG keys but isn't 100% sure
[08:49] <Goodguy69> I am a noob and know nothing about GPG keys?
[08:50] <benonsoftware> Well I'm not 100% about them too but they encrypt infomation and I don't think your install knows about the keys so that is why it is from a "Untursted Soruce" but I may be wrong
[08:50] <benonsoftware> Unit193: Do you know anything about it?
[08:50] <philipballew> the terminal lets you install from untrusted source. maybe sc does
[08:51] <Unit193> I'm working on something now... If you don't know, don't answer
[08:51] <Goodguy69> No sorry?
[08:58] <Goodguy69> What do I need to do to change GPG settings?
[09:00] <Snicksie> hm, 'sudo apt-get update' has worked for me when I got such errors. try it ;)
[09:00] <Snicksie> (in terminal)
[09:01] <Unit193> !gpgerr
[09:01] <ubot2`> Getting GPG errors after adding custom repositories? Find the GPG keyword for the repository (it's 437D05B5 for the standard ones) and run « sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com <key> »
[09:01] <Unit193> And what she said
[09:03] <Goodguy69> W: GPG error: http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com lucid Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com> W: GPG error: http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com lucid-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com> W: A error occurred during the signature verification. 
[09:05] <geirha> I suspect the nz mirror is just having a bad day.
[09:05] <Goodguy69> geirha: Its been over 5 days now?
[09:07] <geirha> Goodguy69: Go to System -> Administration -> Software Sources and change "Download from" to the main server
[09:09] <geirha> a bad week then ^^
[09:09] <Goodguy69> Yes :-(
[09:13] <Goodguy69> geirha: Changed the source and things are looking good. Thank you.
[09:15] <geirha> The main server is probably slower than the local server, but you can try changing it back in a few days. Seems the maintainers of that mirror is just slow at fixing it.
[09:16] <Goodguy69> Thanks again Updates and Downloads are working fine, I will stay on the Main server download from now on thanks again.
[12:14] <nothingspecial> hello haqking
[12:17] <haqking> hey nothingspecial
[12:17] <haqking> im here but doing twenty other things ;-)
[12:18] <nothingspecial> me too
[12:18] <haqking> how are you today ? good i hope
[12:18] <nothingspecial> yes thanks, and you?
[12:19] <haqking> not bad, just got a nice tax rebate from my time in the US last year so yeah pretty good ;-)
[12:19] <nothingspecial> \o/
[12:19] <haqking> nice start to the day
[12:20] <nothingspecial> nice when the tax man gives you money :)
[12:20] <haqking> better than when i give it to him thats for sure
[12:20] <nothingspecial> lol
[12:20] <haqking> to be honest im surprised tax rebates are not taxed...lol
[12:21] <nothingspecial> oh but they are ;)
[12:21] <haqking> everything is somehow, death, change and taxes are the only constants
[12:22] <nothingspecial> true :)
[18:30] <duanedesign> o/
[18:59] <mamacass> Hello
[18:59] <mamacass> I have a question.
[19:01] <mamacass> which version of Ubuntu should I choose?
[19:01] <holstein> mamacass: no reason *not* to use the current one... 11.04
[19:01] <mamacass> currently I am updating from 10.04 to 10.11
[19:01] <holstein> i run the LTS version usually 10.04
[19:02] <mamacass> or 10.10
[19:02] <mamacass> rather
[19:02] <holstein> mamacass: i would *not* do that
[19:02] <mamacass> I used 10.04
[19:02] <holstein> i would wait and upgrade to 12.04
[19:02] <mamacass> oh really?
[19:02] <mamacass> fuck
[19:02] <mamacass> I will just do a fresh install of 10.04
[19:02] <holstein> mamacass: watch the language.. its a family show :)
[19:02] <mamacass> sorry
[19:02] <Unit193> holstein: 1104?
[19:02] <mamacass> okay
[19:02] <holstein> mamacass: just do what you are doing
[19:02] <holstein> then install a fresh 12.04
[19:02] <mamacass> okay
[19:02] <mamacass> just to review
[19:03] <mamacass> I would get the iso
[19:03] <mamacass> and use unetbootin
[19:03] <holstein> mamacass: you are already upgrading from 10.04 to 10.10... correct?... so just do that
[19:03] <mamacass> and I will be fine?
[19:03] <mamacass> yeah
[19:03] <mamacass> I will do that
[19:03] <mamacass> play with it
[19:03] <mamacass> a bit
[19:03] <mamacass> then go to www.ubuntu.com
[19:03] <holstein> the issue is, 10.04 and 12.04 are LTS... long term support... you can upgrade from 10.04 to 12.04
[19:03] <mamacass> oh
[19:04] <mamacass> the upgrade site said it was not supported
[19:04] <holstein> you *cant* go from 10.10 to 12.04.. you have to go 10.10, to 11.04, to 11.10, to 12.04
[19:04] <mamacass> I was going to just upgrade all the way up
[19:04] <holstein> upgrading is quite over rated
[19:04] <mamacass> I will fresh install
[19:04] <mamacass> it does not take me that long to set up and install everything
[19:04] <holstein> i just backup my data, and install.. it takes (best case) about 6 hours to upgraded... an install is like 15 minutes now
[19:04] <mamacass> my work load does not require much more than the normal packages
[19:05] <mamacass> yeah
[19:05] <mamacass> I literally have no data on there
[19:05] <mamacass> I am on my server box now
[19:05] <mamacass> or what will be shortly
[19:06] <holstein> right, so just fresh install i say... no reason to stress about whatever versions.. 10.10 is nearly end of life though
[19:06] <mamacass> I started with 8.04
[19:07] <mamacass> then there was a hangup on the updating this summer
[19:07] <mamacass> and it took down this box
[19:07] <mamacass> got a laptop
[19:07] <mamacass> ran win7 and dev preview
[19:07] <mamacass> went back to ubuntu at 10.04
[19:07] <mamacass> and now 12.04
[19:07] <mamacass> this thing evolves fast
[19:08] <holstein> every 6 months
[19:08] <mamacass> Looks like a mac now but whatever
[19:08] <mamacass> as long as I have a cmd line
[19:08] <mamacass> I am happy
[19:08] <mamacass> I am dos lady.
[19:08] <mamacass> << old
[19:08] <holstein> mamacass: cool.. thats not going anywhere... welcome to the channel !
[19:08] <mamacass> thanks
[19:08]  * holstein gotta run.. enjoy :)
[19:08] <mamacass> okay
[19:13] <mamacass> oh only 11.10 is available
[19:13] <mamacass> when does 12.04 come out?
[19:14] <Snicksie> april 2012 :)
[19:14] <mamacass> okay so stay with 10.04 on this box and play with 11 on the other machine?
[19:15] <mamacass> what do you guys recommend? I trust the community.
[19:17] <Snicksie> depends on whether you prefer the long term support version (its more stable and will be supported for 3 to 5 years) or just the 'regular' version, which can be less stable, though I have never had any problems with that
[19:18] <Snicksie> I use 11.10 now, its the most recent release available, but some people prefer the LTS (long term support) which is more stable
[19:18] <mamacass> so I am going to put 11.04 on my laptop for work, I like to show off infront of the applegeeks
[19:19] <mamacass> I will keep the LTS on this box and play with 11.10 I guess until 12.04 comes out
[19:19] <Snicksie> then use 11.10, it is just as stable as 11.04 (for me) and has some improvements ;)
[19:19] <mamacass> then I will probably stay with that until the next LTS
[19:19] <Snicksie> okay, good luck ;)
[19:19] <mamacass> 11.10 has the hud?
[19:19] <mamacass> and what not?
[19:20] <Snicksie> well, except for the fact its newer, it has not much extras
[19:20] <Snicksie> well, this is more information then I could give you myself
[19:20] <Snicksie> http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/whats-new
[19:21] <mamacass> my laptop is very new and 10.04 does not run some of the hardware very well
[19:21] <mamacass> thx for the link
[19:35] <mamacass> if I enter random text it is my son. typing.
[19:49] <mamacass> It used to be that every odd verison was unstable and evens were stable
[19:49] <mamacass> right?
[19:52] <phillw> mamacass: I missed the question....
[19:53] <mamacass> phillw, I am upgrading today
[19:53] <mamacass> I was asking about preferred versions
[19:53] <phillw> from which version?
[19:53] <mamacass> I normally stick to LTS
[19:53] <mamacass> so 10.04
[19:54] <mamacass> going to play around a bit so I am not lost when 12.04
[19:54] <mamacass> comes out this april
[19:54] <phillw> you can only upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10
[19:54] <mamacass> i know
[19:54] <mamacass> currently upgrading to 10.10
[19:54] <mamacass> going to try it out
[19:54] <phillw> you'd have to wait for 12.04 to 'jump' from 10.04 to 12.04
[19:54] <mamacass> yeah
[19:55] <mamacass> we covered that
[19:55] <mamacass> as does the forums
[19:55] <mamacass> I am playing with versions between LTS versions
[19:55] <mamacass> what is your preferred?
[19:56] <phillw> if you want to jump to, say, 11.10 your best option would be to partition of your home directory onto it's own partition and then install 11.10, telling the installer to use the /home partition but NOT to format it (Easy one to miss, the little format this partition!)
[19:57] <mamacass> yeah
[19:57] <mamacass> which are you using currently?
[19:59] <phillw> I'm on lubuntu 11.10 after finally updating from ubuntu 9.10 (the intermediate releases stubbornly refused to accept my 3G device).
[20:00] <phillw> About March, they will be asking people to do the 10.04 --> 12.04 update, it's not long to wait...
[20:03] <mamacass> yeah
[20:04] <mamacass> I will stick with 10.04 on the network box and update the other devices to 12.04
[20:05] <phillw> mamacass: they do really test the 10.04 --> 12.04, but volunteers are always gratefully received.
[20:15] <mamacass> I had this box on 8.04 and set to only update to Long term support versions
[20:15] <mamacass> it broke the box by messing with the init config file
[20:15] <mamacass> this old hardware from like 2003
[20:15] <mamacass> I am not sure if it will handle 12.04
[20:16] <mamacass> I am going to plug in a ssd and use it as a media table
[20:16] <mamacass> for my ps3, laptops and tablets
[20:17] <mamacass> I was telling the guys earlier, I am an old dos chick that went linux to get my cmd line back
[20:17] <mamacass> I like text
[20:25] <holstein> i like to download the ISO's and check it running live before installing or upgrading.. i typically plan on doing a fresh install, and download, check live.. but i do an upgrade to make sure upgrades are working
[20:25] <holstein> then, i wipe that out and fresh install ;)
[20:29] <mamacass> I am upgrading to 10.10 just to see how the process works
[20:29] <mamacass> playing with it
[20:29] <mamacass> downloading 11.10
[20:29] <mamacass> playing with it until the LTS drops in April
[20:29] <Seryth> mamacass: You like text?
[20:30] <Seryth> mamacass: Press CTRL + ALT + F1 to get in to TTY. You can get back to the X server using CTRL + ALT + F7.
[20:35] <mamacass> that is cool
[20:35] <mamacass> thx
[20:35] <mamacass> does that automatically grant root level priviledge?
[20:43] <mamacass> Seryth
[20:43] <mamacass> ??
[20:44] <Seryth> uh
[20:44] <Seryth> if you login as root yeah
[20:49] <mamacass> okay, I see now.
[20:50] <mamacass> still I love short cuts
[20:50] <mamacass> which is another reason I am updating for the HUD
[21:00] <mamacass> I found an empty channel
[21:00] <mamacass> how do I set +o  ?
[21:01] <holstein> mamacass: you should check #freenode for that kind of thing... but http://blog.freenode.net/2008/04/registering-a-channel-on-freenode/ will help
[21:01] <mamacass> oh so the channel is registered
[21:01] <mamacass> there is like only one person it in
[21:01] <mamacass> and they are not a bot
[21:01] <mamacass> lol
[21:02] <Unit193> http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#channelnaming  and if you have a group claim http://blog.freenode.net/2011/09/new-grf-freenode-process/
[21:05] <mamacass> ah
[21:05] <mamacass> okay so 10.10
[21:05] <mamacass> looks exactly like 10.04
[21:06] <holstein> mamacass: if you want a different look, you'll want 11.10.. thats using unity as the desktop, not gnome
[21:21] <mamacass> hmm... and if I don't like it, then I can drop into Gnome 3?
[21:21] <mamacass> downloading 11.10 now
[21:22] <mamacass> 10.10 does run my hardware better
[21:22] <mamacass> no mic issues now
[21:22] <mamacass> pretty happy about that
[21:22] <mamacass> brb coffee and food
[21:23] <mamacass> I gotta back stuff up.
[21:24] <mamacass> it wont upgrade from 10.10 to 11.10 ?
[21:25] <phillw> mamacass: no, you can only upgrade one release at a time, with the exception of LTS --> LTS
[21:25] <mamacass> ah
[21:25] <mamacass> I should have waited
[21:26] <mamacass> oh well
[21:26] <phillw> mamacass: that is why I suggested you use https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[21:26] <mamacass> Now I get what you were saying earlier phillw
[21:26] <mamacass> its all good
[21:26] <mamacass> I have a external ssd
[21:26] <mamacass> device
[21:28] <phillw> having a seperate /home partition is a really good idea. As to why ubuntu installer asks if you want to encrypt your /home (which causes problems when they forget the password) and not ask to put /home onto a seperate partition is one of those things that makes me ::facepalm::
[21:36] <sadfpoi3> hello?
[21:37] <benonsoftware> Hello sadfpoi3
[21:37] <sadfpoi3> i was trying what u said... but i actually cant run terminal ... should i go to tty 6?
[21:46] <mamacass> okay, so what you are saying is put a 10.04 or any LTS on one partition and then another disto on the other?
[21:46] <mamacass> and give them some swap space?
[21:47] <mamacass> could you point me toward a link
[21:47] <mamacass> or forum post that explains the partition configurations required, phillw?
[21:48] <phillw> mamacass: no, you just move your /home directory onto a new partition
[21:49] <mamacass> Okay so when I do a fresh install with 11.10
[21:49] <mamacass> I will be set for the next update
[21:49] <mamacass> the other partition could be used to run...
[21:49] <mamacass> idk
[21:50] <mamacass> Linux Mint for my son.
[21:50] <mamacass> ??
[21:51] <phillw> initally you will have / and /swap, when you partition up /home directory, you will have /, /swap and /home. This means you can (re)install a system without losing any data in your /home area. There several cavaets, such as old fire-fox extensions may need updating or may not work with  a new version, but you are pretty safe as your /home area is seperate.
[21:53] <phillw> if you wish to run multiple installs, you'll be looking to have an extended partion - you will have one for /swap. It will need to be expanded and for that, you really should have a good back-up as resizing can delete data (It's never happened to me, but that is because I always have a backup :D )
[21:54] <phillw> mamacass: and if You're looking at linux mint, you may care to take a look at lubuntu, the devs of lubuntu look after lxde and do share stuff quite happily :)
[21:54] <mamacass> I will back up info
[21:54] <mamacass> k
[21:55] <mamacass> good to know
[21:55] <mamacass> so An extended partition with a swap a home and two /
[21:55] <mamacass> ??
[21:58] <witchyta> hello phillw :)
[21:59] <phillw> an extended partition can hold a lot of extra partitions I cannot recall, but certainly more than 10 (24 rings a bell).
[22:01] <mamacass> I should only need two /
[22:01] <phillw> ubuntu family can boot from extended partition, it is the slicing of the disk in the 1st instance that is fairly critical as the area allocated to the extended partition cannot be altered (AFAIK) without destroying the partitions on there.
[22:01] <mamacass> yeah
[22:01] <mamacass> I am in the forums
[22:01] <mamacass> reading
[22:01] <mamacass> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/Partitions
[22:04] <phillw> for you, it would be (out of the 4 allowed) two primary partitions (small, for the operating systems) and an extended partition to hold your /home / swap etc on. A lot depends on what size hard disk you have, I have a 500GB one, so space is not really an issue as I don't have videos loaded :)
[22:08] <phillw> just like choosing which linux to run, you decide what partioning is best for you. One primary to hold pretty much just grub on and a 2nd  as extended to do everything else may suit you. The options are all there, take a little while to decide.
[22:17] <mamacass> I have 400gb
[22:17] <mamacass> so
[22:18] <mamacass> and I am not going back to windows
[22:18] <phillw> mamacass: you just need to take a good backup & slice the disk as how it best suits you.
[22:18] <mamacass> the back up is almost done
[22:18] <mamacass> I might just load 11.10 in a virtual machine
[22:19] <mamacass> any thoughts on that gents?
[22:20] <phillw> I run my tests on VM, provided you have remembered to put guest-additions on as soon as you install the Oracle VM, life is a lot less complicated :)
[22:21] <mamacass> okay
[22:22] <phillw> mamacass: but.. the advice given to me, was to actually install the latest version, not the one from the repos from ubuntu.
[22:24] <mamacass> yeah either way the pkg is usually good
[22:25] <mamacass> apt-get install guest-additions ?
[22:25] <phillw> indeed, it was a deb, dead easy to install.
[22:25] <mamacass> but you are saying go to the site
[22:25] <mamacass> and get it from there?
[22:25] <mamacass> I may have done that
[22:25] <phillw> but it must be 64 bit, else you wander into nightmare rea
[22:25] <mamacass> yeah