[16:00] <cjwatson> hi folks
[16:00] <ev> hi
[16:00] <barry> howdy
[16:00] <bdmurray_> hi
[16:01] <cjwatson> slangasek's feeling a bit off today and asked if I could run the meeting
[16:01] <cjwatson> sorry I missed most of the mumble call - my connection seems bouncy today
[16:01] <cjwatson> so if I drop off, somebody else take over? :)
[16:01] <cjwatson> #startmeeting
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[16:01] <cjwatson> #topic Lightning round
[16:01] <cjwatson> $ echo $(shuf -e cjwatson barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek)
[16:01] <cjwatson> stgraber slangasek barry bdmurray cjwatson doko ev jodh
[16:01]  * stgraber waves
[16:02] <stgraber> - Testing tracker
[16:02] <stgraber>  - Helped bdmurray put in production the updated lp-integration script for the ISO tracker
[16:02] <stgraber> - Networking
[16:02] <stgraber>  - Uploaded the SRU for bug 876829
[16:02] <stgraber>  - Uploaded new ifupdown with some more label fixes and NetworkManager integration fix to Precise
[16:02] <stgraber>  - Updated vlan and bridge-utils to better deal with ifupdown checking their return code
[16:02] <stgraber>  - Found and fixed another race condition in ifenslave-2.6 (/sys/class/net/bonding_masters only appear 0.5s after the kernel module is loaded)
[16:02] <stgraber>  - Got to test some configs from comments on my blog that were even weirder than my weirdest one, so far everything works!
[16:02] <stgraber>  - Uploaded SRU for vlan, bridge-utils and ifenslave-2.6 to Oneiric
[16:02] <stgraber>  - Reviewed dhclient-script for resolvconf integration. Current resolvconf dhclient hook overrides the functions from dhclient-script, a bit ugly but it works.
[16:02] <stgraber>  - Filed MIR for resolvconf and poked server team to run some tests before we turn it on for everyone. (bug 921135)
[16:02] <stgraber> - ARB
[16:02] <stgraber>  - Finished packaging, reviewing and uploading unity-lens-sshsearch to extras.u.c
[16:02] <stgraber>  - Some more discussion on what should be moved to the commercial process and how to deal with the backlog
[16:02] <stgraber> - Friendly Recovery
[16:02] <stgraber>  - Started working on the upstart job, starting setvtrgb, mounting /run and starting udev
[16:02] <stgraber> - TPM
[16:02] <stgraber>  - Tested the new opencryptoki, trousers and tpm-tools from my PPA, no luck so far, will need to test with Natty again.
[16:02] <stgraber>  - Will do a TPM reset and some more tests next time I have to reboot my laptop (I used to say next time it crashes, but that didn't happen yet in Precise)
[16:03] <stgraber> - Other
[16:03] <stgraber>  - Created rfkill-store/rfkill-restore jobs to save the RF kill switch soft state across reboots.
[16:03] <stgraber>  - Rebased Edubuntu's LTSP ubiquity plugin on what we did last cycle with ltsp-live.
[16:03] <stgraber>  - Tried to port edubuntu-artwork to gsettings only to notice Ubuntu still ships some default gconf settings, so ended up having edubuntu-artwork ship both gsettings and gconf...
[16:03] <stgraber>  - Fixed handling of /etc/lightdm/unity-greeter.conf in edubuntu-artwork which is a conffile that was being altered by edubuntu-artwork (bad!), moved to using dpkg-divert + symlink to another conffile (ugly but works)
[16:03] <stgraber> - TODO
[16:03] <stgraber>  - Some more bugfixes for the ISO tracker and trying to get the user subscription page back for alpha-2
[16:03] <stgraber>  - Continue working on network SRUs, friendly-recovery and TPM
[16:04] <stgraber> (done)
[16:04] <slangasek> sorry, count me out - heading off to have a lie-down
[16:04] <barry> feedparser 5.1 for python 3 uploaded & submitted to debian; python-defer sync'd from debian for py 3 support; python-keyring for py3. wrote blog on debian packaging for py2/py3. some work on flufl.* package for DM application and learning more about dual py2/py3 support. helped ubuntuone folks with some weird dbus-python issues.  pyqt for python 3 reviewed and (almost) uploaded (a few linitian warnings need fixing).  reviewed packaging
[16:04] <barry> branch for multitouch team. did an interview and filled out travel expenses. dbus-python 1.0.0 released upstream and into debian - has py3 support!  will look at sync'ing to ubuntu.  done.
[16:04] <cjwatson> slangasek: GWS
[16:04] <slangasek> thx
[16:05] <bdmurray> bug triage of iso-testing bug reports
[16:05] <bdmurray> bug triage of ubuntu-installer bug reports
[16:05] <bdmurray> updated update-manager apport hook to not double gzip attachments
[16:05] <bdmurray> bug bot modification to deal with corrupted packages where dpkgterminallog is in the bug description
[16:05] <bdmurray> fixed bug gravity in python-launchpad-lib toolkit
[16:05] <bdmurray> added package bugs gravity code to ubuntu-reports
[16:05] <bdmurray> worked with jsalisbury regarding writing bug patterns
[16:06] <bdmurray> with stgraber improvements to ubuntu-qa-website's lp integration so that bugs are commented on
[16:06] <bdmurray> team-recent-bug-packages-json.py imporvements to collect apport- tagged bug counts
[16:06] <bdmurray> team-recent-bug-packages graphing work to display apport- counts of bugs
[16:06] <bdmurray> ⌁
[16:06] <bdmurray> investigation into initramfs-tools install script errors and persistent media
[16:06] <bdmurray> call with qa team regarding reports web page
[16:06] <cjwatson> Fixed gnome-games and libwmf upgrade bugs.
[16:06] <cjwatson> Tried to learn how to track down upgrade failures from Jenkins, not to very much avail so far.
[16:06] <cjwatson> Fixed ResourceWarning from lsb_release with Python 3.2.
[16:06] <cjwatson> grub2 SRU for lucid (bug 563895, bug 623609).
[16:06] <cjwatson> partman-iscsi/kickseed SRUs for lucid/maverick/natty (bug 810068).
[16:06] <cjwatson> Switched Ubuntu Studio to a live DVD.
[16:06] <cjwatson> Finished python-debian port to Python 3.  Pending upstream review.
[16:06] <cjwatson> Removed lots of packages that had been removed from Debian.  A few uploads/syncs to get other packages in line with that.
[16:06] <cjwatson> Merged debhelper, to ensure that Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 9) will work in precise.
[16:07] <cjwatson> Fixed almost all of the ocamlopt stack on armhf.  Many fewer build failures now.  A few packages starting from coq are still broken.
[16:07] <cjwatson> Fixed xcp-storage-managers for Python 2.7.
[16:07] <cjwatson> Switched gnutls-bin and gnutls-doc back to being built from gnutls26 rather than gnutls28.
[16:07] <cjwatson> Fixed libgtkdatabox, kluppe, and vcdimager build failure.  Various syncs for other failures.
[16:07] <cjwatson> ..
[16:08] <cjwatson> doko:
[16:09] <cjwatson> ev: I guess doko isn't around?  go ahead
[16:09] <ev> - Prepared and uploaded Whoopsie 0.1.3 to precise. Followed up on the MIR bug,
[16:09] <ev>   explaining that Whoopsie is now ready for the security review.
[16:09] <ev> - Setting up a Windows 7 VM with the Chromium Embedded Framework, so that we
[16:09] <ev>   can build something for the agency to test the new slideshow work with.
[16:09] <ev> - Meeting with Christian to discuss the slideshow plans.
[16:09] <ev>   - We'll instruct the agency to keep the slideshow under 1 MB.
[16:09] <ev>   - Christian will look into seeing just how many of the Ubuntu fonts we need,
[16:09] <ev>     and then we'll make a determination if we have room to embed them in Wubi.
[16:09] <ev>   - I've provided Christian with a means to test the slideshow on Ubuntu
[16:09] <ev>     (WebKitGtk sample browser), and Windows (Chromium Embedded Framework
[16:09] <ev>     sample browser).
[16:09] <ev>   - I will look at the WebKitGtk DOM API, to see what our best option is for
[16:09] <ev>     bidirectional communication with the view.
[16:09] <ev> - Write the system UUID to the UserOOPS ColumnFamily.
[16:09] <ev> - Meeting with James to further discuss what hardware we need and its
[16:09] <ev>   configuration. He's committed to a week for the initial deployment.
[16:09] <ev> - James pointed out that we don't need the CAP_FOWNER stuff (ignoring +t on
[16:09] <ev>   just /var/crash), if we simply keep track of the crashes we've processed
[16:09] <ev>   with a .uploaded file. Changed the code to do just this.
[16:10] <ev> - Get rid of the intermediary processing step to figure out which architecture
[16:10] <ev>   queue to put a core dump on by having the client pass it as a parameter
[16:10] <ev>   instead.
[16:10] <ev> - Investigation around wiring StacktraceAddressSignature into all of this.
[16:10] <ev> - Mail to Martin and Matthew about reviewing the proposed UI changes to
[16:10] <ev>   apport, as well as an overview of the process around submitting a new crash
[16:10] <ev>   and core dump.
[16:10] <ev> - Fighting apport-retrace, only to find out via pitti that I was working on a
[16:10] <ev>   crash report without a Package field and out of date enough to fail
[16:10] <ev>   retracing.
[16:10] <ev> - Work on tying together the remaining retracing pieces.
[16:10] <ev> - Started work on defining a schema for the relationship between
[16:10] <ev>   StackAddressSignatures, stack traces and their hashes, and the bucketing
[16:10] <ev>   system that will eventually come into play.
[16:10] <ev> - Research into bidirectional communication with a WebKit view, in support of
[16:10] <ev>   the new installer slideshow.  Sending things through the title element is
[16:10] <ev>   still sadly the only game in town, even in WebKit 1.7/1.8.
[16:10] <ev> - Created a small sample application demonstrating this to Christian.
[16:10] <ev> (done)
[16:10] <jodh> Finished fix for bug 912558, which required additional work to handle
[16:10] <jodh> respawn jobs. Extensively tested. Finished first part of script to
[16:10] <jodh> auto-gen test confs but this can't be run (yet) due to the sheer number
[16:10] <jodh> of jobs it's creating (~4,200). Lots of #upstart interaction this week.
[16:10] <jodh> Currently investigating an odd behavioural issue with
[16:10] <jodh> getty/Upstart/cttys with cjwatson which we need to understand wrt
[16:10] <jodh> the Upstart logger semantics.
[16:10] <jodh> ♉
[16:11] <cjwatson> #topic Alpha 2
[16:11] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=44326
[16:11] <doko> sorry, was still installing G+
[16:11] <cjwatson> ah
[16:11] <cjwatson> #topic Lightning round
[16:11] <cjwatson> doko: go ahead
[16:11] <doko> - didn't do much which I wanted to do this week ...
[16:11] <doko> - gcc-4.7 packaging updates (libstdc++ split) in preparation for the 4.7 test rebuild
[16:11] <doko> - gdb-7.4 release
[16:11] <doko> - binutils upload, ARM backport from trunk
[16:11] <doko> - gcc-4.6 update and Linaro merge
[16:11] <doko> - openjdk-6 update in preparation of the icedtea-1.11 release, still some packaging things to do
[16:11] <doko> - push some gcc patches upstream
[16:11] <doko> - interviews
[16:11] <doko> - eglibc-2.15 updates, available in the ubuntu-toolchain-r/glibc ppa
[16:11] <doko> done
[16:11] <cjwatson> you and me both :-/
[16:11] <cjwatson> #topic Alpha 2
[16:12] <cjwatson> I'd like to quickly go over the milestoned bugs that are/should be assigned to us and make sure they're on track
[16:12] <cjwatson> or if they should be deferred
[16:12] <cjwatson> bug 850264 is now in Debian experimental and I'm told it's making progress
[16:12] <cjwatson> bug 869239 - anyone?
[16:12] <cjwatson> escalation from vmware
[16:13] <cjwatson> I can probably take it if nobody else does
[16:13] <stgraber> cjwatson: I can have a look, when do we want that one fixed? (unlikely to find the time before alpha-2)
[16:14] <ev> vmware? That's an odd request for them to make.
[16:14] <cjwatson> alpha-2, I think - I'll take care of it and swap you for something else :)
[16:14] <cjwatson> ev: so says the bug
[16:14] <stgraber> cjwatson: ok :)
[16:14] <cjwatson> ev: apparently the default vmware screen size is 800x600
[16:14] <cjwatson> bug 874727 - assigned to bdmurray?
[16:14] <ev> ah, interesting
[16:15] <stgraber> do we support the 800 part of that resolution? I seem to remember the minimum for Ubuntu being 1024x600 (netbook resolution)
[16:15] <ev> yeah, fitting in 800x600 is going to be really trickty
[16:15] <cjwatson> apparently the webcam screen is the first bit that goes wrong so we'll see
[16:15] <ev> tricky even
[16:15] <cjwatson> (one moment, being called away)
[16:15] <bdmurray> cjwatson: I'll look at or update it appropriately
[16:16] <cjwatson> bug 879434 - does this mir need to be resolved for a2?
[16:17] <cjwatson> bug 905754 - ev, have you had any chance to look at the mail I sent about this before Christmas?
[16:17] <cjwatson> I'm stalled on it at this point
[16:18] <ev> ah, not in depth
[16:18] <ev> apols, I came back and panicked over getting caught up on the crash db work
[16:18] <ev> looking now
[16:18] <cjwatson> bug 907113 - doko, is it urgent to remove libjpeg8 source for a2 or is it just "let's not forget"?
[16:18] <doko> the latter
[16:18] <doko> yeah, I'll take care of that
[16:18] <cjwatson> ok
[16:18] <cjwatson> bug 912558 I know is in progress
[16:19] <ev> it's supposed to cycle through on multiple clicks
[16:19] <ev> but perhaps we should widen the area that's considered a second click
[16:19] <cjwatson> ev: I couldn't make it do that at all
[16:19] <ev> and provide some visual indication that this is possible
[16:19] <cjwatson> even holding the mouse absolutely stationary
[16:19] <cjwatson> (possible with a trackpad)
[16:20] <cjwatson> bug 912563 not really in progress but I have the baton on that for the moment
[16:20] <ev> maybe that got dropped with the timezone code moving from python to C
[16:20]  * ev digs
[16:20] <cjwatson> bug 813837 - stgraber, that's you with your community hat on, right?
[16:21] <stgraber> cjwatson: that's me. Not sure with which hat on as that's only happening when installing from Ubuntu Alternate, we don't use the udeb for Edubuntu
[16:21] <cjwatson> oh
[16:21] <cjwatson> bug 861048 is mine, I think shouldn't be too hard at least as far as I've diagnosed so far
[16:22] <cjwatson> bug 871726 - stgraber, you reported this so can clearly reproduce it, I don't suppose you might be able to fix it too? :)
[16:23] <cjwatson> and I think that's mostly it for our team, although there are a couple of aptitude bugs in there that it'd be good if somebody could look over
[16:23] <stgraber> cjwatson: I can certainly find a fix for it, feel free to assign it to me
[16:24] <cjwatson> done, thanks
[16:24] <cjwatson> #topic Patch pilot stints
[16:24] <ev> cjwatson: theory confirmed; the multiple clicks stuff wasn't copied to C
[16:24] <cjwatson> dholbach asked that people be reminded about doing their patch pilot stints - if you don't know when yours is, ask m
[16:25] <ev> I'll follow up on the bug
[16:25] <cjwatson> me
[16:25] <cjwatson> ev: *nod*, thanks
[16:25] <cjwatson> #topic AOB
[16:28] <cjwatson> sorry, bounciness ...
[16:28] <cjwatson> 16:25 <cjwatson> ev: *nod*, thanks
[16:28] <cjwatson> 16:25 <cjwatson> #topic AOB
[16:28] <cjwatson> 16:26 <cjwatson> Rick has asked us to pay more attention to upgrade failures, now that that's one of the major things failing in Jenkins; I'm currently trying to get a reliable way to reproduce them locally, but
[16:28] <cjwatson>                  I may ask for people to help with this at some point as it's probably more than one person's worth of work
[16:29] <cjwatson> If you've worked on this in the past (specifically testing upgrades starting from apt-clone metadata), I wouldn't mind a leg-up
[16:29] <mvo> cjwatson: is the auto-upgrader-tester helping? I currently (in precise) get segfaults from kvm when I run it, but haven't traced it down yet
[16:30] <cjwatson> I'm trying it with the chroot backend
[16:30] <mvo> cjwatson: with the latest trunk of u-m it should be possilbe to run "./auto-upgrade-tester /tmp/apt-clone-file" - at least this is what jibel aded recently
[16:30] <cjwatson> How did you do it when you were investigating upgrade bugs in the past?
[16:30] <mvo> cjwatson: aha, ok. that did not get that much testing recently, let me have a look
[16:30] <mvo> cjwatson: I used the kvm backend, that is currently the most reliable (when its not segfaulting at least)
[16:31] <cjwatson> hm, ok
[16:31] <mvo> its relatively slow of course
[16:31] <stgraber> kvm backend works great here (my upgrade testing host is Oneiric though)
[16:31] <cjwatson> well, I'll see if I can get chroot working and if not fall back
[16:31] <mvo> stgraber: yeah, oneiric is fine for me too
[16:32] <mvo> cjwatson: I run a quick test with it now to see what is missing
[16:32] <mvo> (with chroot)
[16:32] <cjwatson> it falls over being unable to copy main.log to main_pre_reqs.log or some such - hacking around that
[16:34] <cjwatson> anyway, thanks, that's enough to be going on with
[16:34] <cjwatson> anything else?
[16:36] <cjwatson> ok
[16:36] <cjwatson> #endmeeting
[16:36] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Jan 25 16:36:17 2012 UTC.
[16:36] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-01-25-16.01.moin.txt
[16:36] <cjwatson> thanks all
[16:36] <ev> cheers
[16:36] <barry> thanks!
[16:36] <jodh> thanks
[16:36] <stgraber> thanks!
[17:00] <balloons> afternoon everyone
[17:01] <kalosaurusrex> morning :)
[17:01] <balloons> I'll go ahead and get things started
[17:01] <balloons> #startmeeting Ubuntu QA Team
[17:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Jan 25 17:01:11 2012 UTC.  The chair is balloons. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[17:01] <balloons> who's all here? and secondly does anyone have any topics not on the agenda they wish to add?
[17:02] <shrish> am here
[17:02] <albrigha> o/
[17:04] <balloons> alright, some folks might trickle in late, we'll continue
[17:04] <balloons> [TOPIC] Previous Actions
[17:05]  * gema is here too
[17:05] <balloons> so, "alourie to feature AutomatedTesting wiki page prominently in wiki"
[17:05] <phillw> here
[17:05] <balloons> I don't believe he is here.. I'll go check the wiki and see if any changes were made. If not, we'll push to next week for his update
[17:06] <balloons> ok, not seeing anything :-) next up is gema's action
[17:06] <balloons> gema discuss case conductor with mozilla folks and provide update
[17:07] <gema> balloons: you ended up doing it too x)
[17:07] <gema> we are going to have a chat with the Mozilla folks on Friday
[17:07] <gema> see how much of our original reqs they've been able to implement
[17:08] <gema> so I guess the update will come next week
[17:08] <balloons> thank you gema, I will roll that action now
[17:09] <balloons> [action] gema and balloons to provide feedback from mozilla caseconductor meeting
[17:09] <meetingology> ACTION: gema and balloons to provide feedback from mozilla caseconductor meeting
[17:09] <balloons> [action] alourie to feature AutomatedTesting wiki page prominently in wiki, based upon list discussion
[17:09] <meetingology> ACTION: alourie to feature AutomatedTesting wiki page prominently in wiki, based upon list discussion
[17:09] <balloons> ok, finally the last one was for me
[17:10] <balloons> balloons to review test cases for i386,x64 and coordinate updates
[17:11] <balloons> I began looking into the manual test cases and sent out some mails to the list. In addition, I started going thru the tests on the iso tracker, but have not finished getting thru and speaking with others about the tests I found
[17:12] <balloons> Did anyone else take a look at manual test cases or the iso tests, or have any plans to do so? :-)
[17:12]  * gema looks to the floor...
[17:12] <balloons> I *believe* alpha 2 drops next week correct?
[17:13] <gema> yes
[17:13] <gema> by drops you mean fails or you mean happens ? :)
[17:13] <balloons> gema would you mind discussing that a bit after our scheduled agenda?
[17:13] <balloons> I mean happens :-)
[17:13] <gema> I hope jibel is around
[17:13] <gema> he is the one coordinating alpha 2 from our side
[17:14] <gema> he'll surely send an email later this week asking for collaboration
[17:14] <balloons> ok, on my action I will roll it over again to next week and try and get some more work done on that front
[17:14] <gema> ok
[17:14] <gema> it'd be good for you to run some tests for alpha 2 as well, balloons, to get the feel for it :D
[17:15] <gema> and feel the pressure of the milestone .. the adrenaline rush, it's quite good
[17:15] <balloons> [action] balloons to continue test case review and provide updates on progress
[17:15] <meetingology> ACTION: balloons to continue test case review and provide updates on progress
[17:15] <balloons> gema, yes I will definitely plan on it
[17:15] <balloons> ok, let's move on
[17:16]  * txomon|home arrive
[17:16] <balloons> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Flavor Updates
[17:17] <balloons> thanks to ScottK I got the terminology right this week (i hope)
[17:17] <balloons> let's start with kubuntu -- anyone about?
[17:17] <ScottK> Sure.
[17:17] <balloons> anything to share ScottK?
[17:17] <ScottK> The KDE SC 4.7.4 update I mentioned last week transitioned to oneiric-updates on Monday.
[17:18] <ScottK> Riddell is working landing KDE SC 4.8.0 for precise as we speak.
[17:18] <ScottK> So for KDE stuff we should be ~ready for Alpha 2.
[17:18] <balloons> awesome -- and it releases next week also correct?
[17:18] <balloons> I mean KDE
[17:18] <ScottK> 4.8.0 is released today.
[17:18] <balloons> ohh.. feels early :-)
[17:19] <balloons> awesome, so alpha 2 will ship with 4.8, great news
[17:19] <ScottK> The biggest concern for Alpha 2 is we had to skip Alpha 1, so the installer hasn't had a big workout
[17:19] <ScottK> We have some success reports, so hopefully it's all good.
[17:19] <ScottK> Tha'ts it.
[17:19] <balloons> thank you
[17:20] <balloons> how about xubuntu?
[17:20] <balloons> I don't see anyone here..
[17:20] <balloons> let's move on. I know phillw is here -- anything to report from lubuntu?
[17:20] <phillw> our main issue is bug 918401 which is proving problematical for our Head of Dev to sort out as the proposed fix works on his system but for none of us testers :/
[17:21] <balloons> ohh really?
[17:21] <phillw> you CAN login, but blindly. Other new bits for precise seem to be behaving.
[17:22] <phillw> it may be causing a problem with Wubi, but we're not sure. That's all from lubuntu.
[17:22] <balloons> thank you phillw
[17:23] <balloons> how about ubuntu studio? astraljava?
[17:24] <balloons> :-), we'll move on again.. Finally, edubuntu. anyone around?
[17:24] <balloons> ok, let's change topics then
[17:25] <balloons> [TOPIC] Blueprint updates / discussion
[17:25] <balloons> I know I skipped blueprints last week, but I thought I would provide a place if anyone wanted to mention anything specific regarding status or help for a blueprint
[17:27] <balloons> ok, sounds fine. That ends our scheduled topics.
[17:27] <balloons> [TOPIC] Other topics
[17:27] <balloons> We have two additional items to discuss. An update from me, and an update from jibel and gema on alpha 2. does anyone else have any other topics to discuss?
[17:27] <balloons> if not, we'll begin with my item
[17:28] <txomon|home> mine is just to mention I contacted cobbler guys
[17:28] <balloons> ok txomon|home we can discuss it first -- what did you find out
[17:28] <balloons> ?
[17:29] <txomon|home> Well, I contacted cobbler guys in their list, and they mentioned that the docs where prepared for the original cobbler project
[17:30] <txomon|home> And that they spected Orchestra guys could make a doc for the ubuntu version
[17:31] <balloons> txomon|home, did you speak to Roakasoax?
[17:31] <txomon|home> He said it  was just a cascade style sheet and some kickstart addons, the documentation they had could be more use full
[17:31] <txomon|home> balloons, don't know that name...
[17:32] <balloons> whoops, have an extra a in there
[17:32] <txomon|home> I expressed badly, I meant that the more changes Orchestra did, the less reliable would be the docs
[17:32] <balloons> Roaksoax.. regardless, he would be a good person to contact on cobbler, specific to ubuntu
[17:32] <txomon|home> I can pass you the mail btw
[17:32] <txomon|home> (to the list)
[17:33] <txomon|home> oki
[17:33] <balloons> ok, sounds good
[17:33] <txomon|home> I will try once more with cobbler
[17:34] <txomon|home> I did some tests, and If you are using VMs to test, netboot is not necessary
[17:35] <txomon|home> the most... Useful item is the proxy caché
[17:35] <txomon|home> that's everything
[17:36] <balloons> thank you.. I'm as curious as ever to see what you end up putting together for this..
[17:36] <balloons> I'll go ahead bext. I am undertaking a point to highlight everyone in ubuntu community who is working on quality, and I wanted to make sure I included some good info and contact info on the different flavor qa teams in addition to ubuntu
[17:38] <balloons> I will send a message to the list as well, but if someone from each flavor's QA team wished to send along (or better yet, point me to a web page) a couple sentence description of the work and a way of contacting that would be wonderful
[17:38] <balloons> I trust that makes sense to everyone.. if no one has any questions, we'll get to our last item
[17:39] <balloons> ok, gema and jibel your up. can you talk a little about alpha 2 and what the qa team has planned?
[17:40] <gema> balloons: jibel is not around, I think
[17:40] <gema> next week is alpha2 week and we welcome all the testing everyone can do to help
[17:40] <gema> watch out for jibel's email
[17:40] <gema> regarding how to proceed
[17:41] <gema> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures
[17:41] <gema> here is the explanation on how to help
[17:42] <gema> that's all from me
[17:42] <balloons> thank you gema. Ok, that concludes this week's meeting then. thanks for coming everyone!
[17:43] <balloons> #end meeting
[17:43] <gema> thank you for chairing, balloons !
[17:43] <balloons> #endmeeting
[17:43] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Jan 25 17:43:13 2012 UTC.
[17:43] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-01-25-17.01.moin.txt
[17:43] <balloons> yvw
[17:48] <phillw> thanks for chairing balloons :)
[18:02] <bdmurray> hi
[18:02] <dlentz> hi
[18:02] <bdmurray> Time for the bug squad meeting
[18:02] <bdmurray> #startmeeting
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[18:03] <bdmurray> [TOPIC] Previous Actions
[18:03] <bdmurray> #topic Previous Actions
[18:04] <bdmurray> ACTION: Ursinha to perform SRU verification of bug 904527
[18:04] <bdmurray> This was done and the package is now in -updates
[18:04] <bdmurray> Thanks Ursinha
[18:04] <Ursinha> np :)
[18:04] <bdmurray> That was the only action from last week's meeting
[18:04] <bdmurray> #topic Engineering Team Bug Status
[18:05] <bil21al> hello
[18:05] <bdmurray> bil21al: hi
[18:05] <bdmurray> Ursinha: do you have anything today?
[18:05] <Ursinha> bdmurray, no sir... I promise to have something next week
[18:05] <bdmurray> Ursinha: no problem
[18:06] <bdmurray> jsalisbury couldn't make it today and said he didn't have much news either
[18:06] <phil-wong> hi
[18:06] <bdmurray> I wanted to bring up one "bug" that was fixed in Precise
[18:07] <bdmurray> bug 914220
[18:07] <bdmurray> This is about prevent apport from reporting a certain classification of bugs
[18:08] <bdmurray> Some examples of the bugs that have been reported are found in the apport bug description
[18:08] <bdmurray> The error message looks like this
[18:08] <bdmurray> "DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply …"
[18:09] <bdmurray> So this error indicates that a failure to communicate happened between the client and the server
[18:09] <bdmurray> And we are getting the error from the client which isn't very informative
[18:10] <bdmurray> What we really want is the error from the server - for example in bug 715523 - what happened to aptdaemon?
[18:11] <bdmurray> The point being there are certainly lots of bug reports with this DBus error message in Launchpad that are likely not useful in their current state.
[18:12] <Ursinha> interesting
[18:13] <bdmurray> So I think there is some opportunity for cleanup / investigation into a lot of bug reports there.
[18:13] <Ursinha> something to do this week: check similar bugs and do a cleanup
[18:14] <bdmurray> Ursinha: I suspect there are hundreds of these...
[18:14] <phil-wong> nice to meet you guys, I'm new to the bug squad. I'm sorry if I can't be much help to the meeting right now.
[18:14] <Ursinha> bdmurray, do you think we could blindly do something about those as they're not useful, as you said?
[18:15] <bdmurray> phil-wong: welcome, thanks for coming.
[18:15] <dlentz> Ursinha, i did that with fglrx not too long ago, it was productive
[18:15] <bdmurray> Ursinha: well we could invalidate them all but that seems unfair to me
[18:15] <Ursinha> dlentz, cool
[18:15] <Ursinha> bdmurray, thing is they won't be used by anyone
[18:15] <dlentz> so bdmurray, an example maybe, what would you do with
[18:16] <bdmurray> I'd rather make a list of them and treat the ones that have an importance and tons of duplicates differently
[18:16] <dlentz> bug 657821
[18:16] <Ursinha> even if valid bugs, what one could do with that incomplete information?
[18:16] <bdmurray> Well its possible somebody investigated the server failure and added details to the bug
[18:16] <Ursinha> bdmurray, but they might be marked as dupes but actually not be dupes because the message is the same vague and generic one... am I talking nonsense?
[18:17] <dlentz> Ursinha, i get it
[18:17] <bdmurray> Ursinha: no they maybe be marked incorrectly as dupes
[18:17]  * Ursinha recalls tons of oopses with similar messages and totally unrelated problems..
[18:17] <Ursinha> launchpad oopses, that is
[18:17] <Ursinha> okay, so it should be a case by case thing
[18:17] <bdmurray> but I think we should build a list of these bugs and handle ones with a higher "gravity" manually
[18:17] <Ursinha> great, agreed
[18:18] <bdmurray> and those with a low gravity progrmatically
[18:18] <bdmurray> my keyboard is really messed up today ;-)
[18:18] <Ursinha> could we add an action on that? maybe we could do this and check the progress weekly.. is that too much?
[18:18] <Ursinha> lol
[18:18] <Ursinha> blame the tool
[18:20] <bdmurray> #action create a list of apport-crash bugs with "DBus.Error.NoReply" in the title with bug information regarding status, importance, number of dupes and users affected
[18:20] <meetingology> ACTION: create a list of apport-crash bugs with "DBus.Error.NoReply" in the title with bug information regarding status, importance, number of dupes and users affected
[18:20] <bdmurray> sound good?
[18:20] <Ursinha> great!
[18:20] <Ursinha> :)
[18:20] <Ursinha> thanks bdmurray
[18:21] <bdmurray> One other thing from me
[18:21] <bdmurray> I've an upload for update-manager that'll fix an issue with a bug attachment being double gzipped
[18:22] <bdmurray> That should happen soon
[18:22] <phil-wong> is there a way I can help with this? I only just started yesterday examining and changing new bug statuses to incomplete
[18:23] <bdmurray> phil-wong: I think creating the list is best done using the launchpad api so probably not yet
[18:23] <phil-wong> ok
[18:23] <bdmurray> phil-wong: however, when we have that list and need to do manual investigation we could surely use your help
[18:24] <bdmurray> #topic Bug Escalations (any High or Critical bugs that community members have seen that need attention)
[18:24] <phil-wong> great :)
[18:24] <Ursinha> phil-wong, thanks :))
[18:24] <bdmurray> so phil-wong (or anybody else) are there any important bugs that you have seen that we should be aware of?
[18:25] <Ursinha> important being..
[18:25] <Ursinha> ?
[18:25] <bdmurray> Ursinha: bugs that should be, or are, High or Critical
[18:26] <bdmurray> Ursinha: or a regression
[18:26] <bil21al_> bdmurray: not in empathy just one which is under the developer eye.
[18:26] <Ursinha> bdmurray, thanks :) in this case, no
[18:26] <phil-wong> well, I am a real newbie. I literally don't know much about linux, I'm just looking to see if bugs are detailed enough at the moment.
[18:26] <phil-wong> So, I am not aware of important bugs yet.
[18:27] <bdmurray> My thought was this is a good opportunity / time for bug squad members to escalate bugs to the defect analysts on the engineering teams
[18:28] <dlentz> i keep seeing complaints in ubuntuforums (and there apre probably even more in kubuntuforums) of muon and kpackagekit crashing after a fresh 11.10 install, which has to be very frustrating
[18:28] <dlentz> bug 915235
[18:28] <bdmurray> dlentz: looking
[18:30] <Riddell> dlentz: JontheEnchidna is often on IRC if you feel it needs a ping
[18:30] <dlentz> is software-center used as default in kubuntu?
[18:30] <Riddell> dlentz: no, Muon is
[18:30] <Riddell> and formerly kpackagekit
[18:32] <dlentz> thanks, at least there's a workaround
[18:33] <bdmurray> dlentz: to be clear JontheEnchidna is Jonathan Thomas and he works on muon
[18:33] <dlentz> ack'd
[18:33] <bdmurray> dlentz: thanks for bringing this up - I'll take a look at it a bit more after the meeting
[18:33] <Ursinha> is this the case of adding the workaround to the bug and mark it as such?
[18:34] <bdmurray> I think the workaround could use some additional verification
[18:36] <bdmurray> #topic Other Topics
[18:36] <bdmurray> Anything else? Questions what have you
[18:38] <hggdh> o/
[18:38] <bdmurray> hggdh: hi there
[18:39] <bdmurray> hggdh: go ahead
[18:39] <dlentz> i'm relatively new (at doing this officially), and still a bit unclear on the difference between wishlist and something that sould go to ubuntubrainstorm
[18:39] <hggdh> I would like to remember all that Harvest is available to simplify searching for bugs one may be interested in
[18:39] <hggdh> http://harvest.ubuntu.com/
[18:39] <hggdh> ..
[18:39] <hggdh> and hi bdmurray ;-)
[18:40]  * hggdh goes back to lurking
[18:40] <bdmurray> dlentz: it depends on the scope of the feature
[18:40] <Ursinha> hggdh, harvest is only for bitesize bugs or any bugs?
[18:40] <hggdh> Ursinha: there are many different categories of bugs you can search for; it happens one of them is bitesize bugs
[18:41] <bdmurray> dlentz: a brainstorm idea would be like ubuntu should have a global proxy configuration system
[18:41] <bdmurray> dlentz: while a wishlist bug might be it should be possible to sort by song title in easytag
[18:41] <Ursinha> thanks hggdh
[18:41] <bdmurray> dlentz: does that help at all?
[18:42] <dlentz> i see now that i re-read the wiki, ubuntubrainstorm is not for upstream stuff
[18:42] <dlentz> yes, the "scope" thing helps
[18:42] <dlentz> thanks
[18:42] <bdmurray> dlentz: if you feel the wiki page could be improved please make the change
[18:44] <dlentz> next time, i'll ask for clarification in this channel if i see one of these, thanks
[18:44] <bdmurray> Ursinha: in harvest you can find fixable bugs about a package and some triaging opportunities
[18:45] <bil21al> bdmurray:empathy is finalized is there any other package  that needs the attention. and have a lot of bugs  do u know about that?
[18:45] <bdmurray> for triaging we have bugpattern-needed and sru verification needed tagged bugs
[18:45] <bdmurray> bil21al: perhaps rhythmbox?
[18:46] <hggdh> \o
[18:46] <bdmurray> hggdh: hmm?
[18:46] <bil21al> hmm so i keep eye on empathy and rhythmbox both. thanks cheer:)
[18:46] <hggdh> heh
[18:47] <hggdh> I would also like to announce the soon-to-be Bug Controller... bil21al!
[18:47] <dlentz>  i try to attend to rhythmbox bugs, since i like audio stuff; i did the massive dupe check a month or so ago
[18:47] <bil21al> hggdh:thank u so much
[18:48] <hggdh> bil21al has been very active on Empathy triaging, and has finally acquired enough knowledge of Ubuntu triaging to be accepted
[18:48] <hggdh> I will add him in as a member in a few
[18:48] <hggdh> thank you, bil21al, for all your help
[18:48] <hggdh> ..
[18:48] <bdmurray> That's great.  Congratulations bil21al
[18:49] <bil21al> hggdh:my pleasure
[18:49] <bil21al> bdmurray:yw
[18:49] <bdmurray> I think thats a wrap then
[18:49] <bdmurray> #endmeeting
[18:49] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Jan 25 18:49:50 2012 UTC.
[18:49] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-01-25-18.02.moin.txt
[18:51] <Ursinha> thanks bdmurray
[18:51] <bil21al> thanks bdmurray and hggdh
[18:51] <bil21al> and all
[18:52] <hggdh> bil21al: you are welcome.
[18:52] <hggdh> ALL: please do not hesitate in pinging us at #ubuntu-bugs on any questions you have on triaging
[18:54] <dlentz> aye
[18:54] <micahg> or if your bug has not gotten proper attention in a reasonable period of time (or is critical to be looked at immediately)
[18:55] <hggdh> indeed, thank you micahg for pointing this out
[19:04] <Silverlion> hey there
[19:35] <Silverlion> hey phil
[20:03] <gilir> #startmeeting Lubuntu Team meeting
[20:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Jan 25 20:03:13 2012 UTC.  The chair is gilir. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[20:03] <gilir> hi :)
[20:03] <jmarsden|work> o/
[20:03] <phillw> o/
[20:04] <gilir> as usual, meeting agenda is on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda
[20:05] <gilir> not many people today :)
[20:05] <Yorvyk> o/
[20:05] <StephenSmally> o/
[20:06] <gilir> ok let's start
[20:06] <Unit193> \o
[20:06] <gilir> #topic gilir - Review ACTIONS from the last meeting
[20:06] <gilir> the only item is the bug of unity-greeter / lightdm
[20:07] <gilir> I have to admit that I can't reproduce it after upgrading lighdm-gtk-greeter, and removing unity-greeter
[20:07] <phillw> it's still causing problems
[20:07] <rafaellaguna> hello, a bit late
[20:08] <jmarsden|work> gilir: Has the newer lightdm-gtk-greeter made it into the daily builds yet?
[20:08] <gilir> jmarsden|work, not yet, I'll ping the one who work it currently to see if help is needed
[20:09] <jmarsden|work> Yes, I think it will help a lot of testers can grab a new daily ISO and have it work OK.
[20:09] <gilir> but even with this, it doesn't seem sto fix the problem for some people using precise (not on daily ISO)
[20:09] <phillw> gilir: no, we have grabbed the new one from staging & still have problems.
[20:10] <rafaellaguna> about that, I'm trying to get it looking better: http://i.imgur.com/gqZ9b.png
[20:10] <phillw> I think wxl had even more problems today, if he'd like to say.
[20:10] <gilir> #action gilir to help pushing new lightdm-gtk-greeter in the archive if necessary
[20:10] <meetingology> ACTION: gilir to help pushing new lightdm-gtk-greeter in the archive if necessary
[20:12] <gilir> well, until we have the new version, I can't really track down the others problems
[20:13] <jmarsden|work> Right, until then we are somewhat stuck, I think.
[20:13] <gilir> yes :/
[20:13] <njin> I work ok with lxdm
[20:14] <gilir> switching to lxdm is not a fix
[20:14] <njin> but is a workaround
[20:14] <gilir> let's continue with the next items, we can't say more about this for now
[20:15] <gilir> #topic phillw - Weekly report - Update from QA meeting and team
[20:16] <phillw> I'll leave out the bug.... Main thing upcoming is the pre-testing of alpha2 I'll email the list with further details of the pre-milestone release testing.
[20:17] <phillw> they are still working on the automated tests and re-writing the manual tests. Once this is done I can start on the lubuntu specific ones.
[20:18] <gilir> phillw, did you have the time to look at the actual state of daily ISO ?
[20:18] <wxl> sorry i was stock on the wrong channel :(
[20:18] <phillw> I zsync it each time I'm going to do an install onto VM to give me a 'clean' iso to test.
[20:19] <phillw> my last one was yesterday, with the exception of the known bug on greeter, and a minor glitch with the artwork ppa It installs fine.
[20:20] <gilir> it's still good news, it's not so broken :)
[20:20] <gilir> the artwork problem should be fixed in the staging PPA with the next update of lubuntu-artwork
[20:21] <rafaellaguna> only the wallpaper, isn't it?
[20:21] <phillw> wxl: what happened with you?
[20:21] <gilir> rafaellaguna, yes
[20:21] <phillw> yeah, a no wallpaper is not the end of the world.
[20:22] <phillw> possiblt for Rafael, as I know he is a perfectionist.
[20:22] <rafaellaguna> no, but a blank screen is sad for newcomers
[20:22] <rafaellaguna> phillw: yeah, you know me :)
[20:22] <phillw> rafaellaguna: it only affects those using the test artwork, there is a warning :)
[20:23] <gilir> it's the goal of the PPA ;)
[20:23] <gilir> phillw, anything more on QA ?
[20:24] <phillw> nothing more from the meeting, there will be an email re: alpha2 pre-milestone testing which I will forward.
[20:24] <gilir> ok thanks phillw :)
[20:24] <gilir> #topic Unit193 - Weekly report - Update on IRC OP's team
[20:25] <Unit193> Right, nothing really that I haven't already said
[20:26] <gilir> ok thanks Unit193 :) Anything new regarding new OPs on lubuntu chan ?
[20:27] <Unit193> Well, it's just to wait now
[20:27] <Unit193> There's a meeting Sunday
[20:27] <gilir> Unit193, ok thanks :)
[20:27]  * gilir doesn't see MrChrisDruif around, moving to the next item
[20:28] <gilir> #topic phillw - Weekly report - Update from comms team
[20:28] <phillw> Silverlion: àre you on the way home?
[20:28] <phillw> he doubted he would be here...
[20:29] <phillw> Okay, 1stly it does seem that OMGUbuntu do plug into http://lubuntu.net/ for information
[20:30] <Silverlion> phillw: just on the way heading home
[20:30] <phillw> so, for the people on the various teams, please do consider setting up a blog on there.
[20:31] <gilir> we need some blog writers :)
[20:31] <phillw> the release from OMG was clearly from there and the mailing list. The more we advertise ourselves on the likes of http://lubuntu.net/ the more likely we get picked up by OMG and Ubuntu News Weekly
[20:31] <rafaellaguna> I have a great candidate for that
[20:32] <rafaellaguna> I'll propose it to him
[20:33] <phillw> the second one, sort of sneaky in a way, is that any announcement goes onto http://lubuntu.net/ before general release by email etc. That will concentrate the minds of those who want to report news onto an area we have control over :)
[20:34] <phillw> It may only be a couple of hours... but a "you read it here 1st" does increase traffic :)
[20:34] <gilir> well, maybe we need a bit more coordination for this :)
[20:34] <gilir> for example, if a dev have somethng to annonce, maybe coordinate with a comm team member to advertise it right
[20:35] <Yorvyk> Why not just mail the news team and OMGUbuntu direct?
[20:35] <phillw> the comm team are here to serve, that would be more than okay :)
[20:35] <gilir> I personnaly fail to advertise right some of the stuff I do :)
[20:36] <phillw> Yorvyk: they will receive it, have no fear. But, IMHO, nothing reported on NEWS should be after our own site has it?
[20:36] <gilir> Yorvyk, that could be an idea
[20:37] <gilir> I don't have strong opinion on any way, just a idea I have in mind :)
[20:37] <phillw> Yorvyk: if you join the comms team, I know you are involved with news stuff.
[20:37] <Yorvyk> I'll join and get involved
[20:38] <phillw> and lastly, we are still at an early stage, but we are looking to source some lubuntu branded items. Mugs are pretty much out as they are only 2.00GB to buy, then cost about 20.00GBP to ship out of UK.
[20:38] <gilir> so, if the comm team come with a solution, I'll be interested :)
[20:40] <gilir> phillw, is the items done by rafaellaguna are enough to order items ?
[20:41] <phillw> There is a bit more artwork choices to do, so we can look at the pens + mouse pads offer.
[20:42] <gilir> ok, anything more for comm team phillw ?
[20:42] <phillw> that about sums it up.
[20:42] <gilir> thanks phillw
[20:42] <gilir> #topic gilir - Weekly report - Devs teams report
[20:43] <gilir> lxsession - I think it's pretty ready now
[20:44] <gilir> I done what I wanted for the next release, so I hope to upload it as soon as I can
[20:44] <gilir> lubuntu-artwork - for people using PPA staging, you probably noticed the new packages :)
[20:45] <gilir> artwork from previous version of lubuntu are available
[20:45] <wxl> sorry back for what it's worth. work got in the way :(
[20:45] <gilir> you need to install the package, like lubuntu-artwork-11-04 to install 11.04 artwork
[20:46] <gilir> unfortunatly, you have to manually change each part of the theme :(
[20:46] <wxl> gilir: why is that?
[20:46] <gilir> wxl, because lxapperance (the utility to change the theme) doesn't work globaly, like the one in GNOME for example
[20:47] <gilir> it's an improvement to do, maybe for 12.10
[20:47] <wxl> curious. sounds like a borderline bug/feature request
[20:47] <gilir> its not so simple, there are many small part to change, and some design to discuss
[20:48] <wxl> since we're talking dev stuff, my issues with unity-greeter are here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/918401/comments/25 although i just mention it just to mention it (since i was mentioning it on the wrong channel). i am curious what the latest version of lightdm-gtk-greeter is, though, just to check.
[20:48] <phillw> wxl: it was covered while you were away :)
[20:49] <wxl> phillw: i know. initially i was chatting away about it, but in #ubuntu-testing :( THEN work got in the way
[20:49] <gilir> wxl, just try to update with the PPA staging, and to remove unity-greeter
[20:49] <wxl> as Unit193 knows, i'm really good at sending to the wrong channel
[20:49] <wxl> gilir: well, i have. that's why i want to check that my version is the expected version.
[20:50] <gilir> wxl, as we said, we are waiting to update it on daily, so I can check with daily ISO what's going on
[20:50] <wxl> gilir: ok, i'll shut up now ;)
[20:51] <gilir> and to finish, I plan to upload new default settings tonight (which are already on the PPA staging)
[20:51] <phillw> gilir: can you send an email to let us know when it is in daily for us to try.
[20:51] <gilir> with Alpha 2, I hope to have some feedbacks on them
[20:52] <gilir> phillw, sure
[20:52] <wxl> phillw: i assume you mean to the qa list?
[20:52] <phillw> default works fine (you can tell - I never nagged). Just as an aside on that, when we try things from staging - is there a system of reporting how we get on seperate to bug reporting?
[20:53] <phillw> the lubuntu-qa, yes please.
[20:53] <gilir> phillw, just ping people involve in the package in staging
[20:53] <gilir> you should not report a bug on launchpad for something in staging
[20:53] <gilir> ping or mail on the mailing list
[20:54] <phillw> thanks. I guessed not. I have been using the ML :)
[20:54] <gilir> ok, just 5 min for StephenSmally :)
[20:54] <phillw> Just lets me put it onto the lubuntu-qa wiki page
[20:54] <StephenSmally> Thank you ;-)
[20:54] <gilir> #topic StephenSmally Lubuntu Software Center 0.0.4
[20:54] <StephenSmally> Well, i want to just to tell you how the LSC development is going
[20:55] <StephenSmally> I keep working on the main python branch, while Michael Rawson is working for the vala port (which hopefully will be ready for 12.10)
[20:57] <StephenSmally> the current version is pretty stable and tested, with the latest commit i refined the interface (some visual fixes like padding between buttons).
[20:57] <StephenSmally> in two or three days (i hope) i'll release LSC 0.0.4
[20:58] <gilir> StephenSmally, good :) do you need any help in the release process ?
[20:58] <StephenSmally> which will be (again, i hope) be ready to put in the repos before february (and the feature freeze)
[20:58] <StephenSmally> gilir: yes, i think so :-)
[20:58] <gilir> StephenSmally, ok, I'll try to be around this week-end, ping me if you need help
[20:59] <StephenSmally> thank you.
[20:59] <StephenSmally> of course, the current version will be in the PPA tomorrow (launchpad is building)
[21:00] <StephenSmally> that's all folks :-P
[21:00] <phillw> o/
[21:00] <gilir> thanks StephenSmally :)
[21:00] <gilir> yes phillw
[21:01] <phillw> StephenSmally: with the last LSC, it launched in small window, which I had to maximise to see the on screen choices.
[21:01] <StephenSmally> version? (apt-cache policy lubuntu-software-center)
[21:02] <gilir> phillw, maybe you can report a bug on https://launchpad.net/lubuntu-software-center ?
[21:02] <phillw> StephenSmally: I'll grab you later, I don't have my VM for 12.04 running right now
[21:02] <gilir> it would be easier I think to discuss the issue :)
[21:02] <phillw> I will :)
[21:02] <StephenSmally> ok, well, it's weird
[21:02] <StephenSmally> send me a mail or open a bug when you can.
[21:03] <gilir> ok, it's time to end the meeting, thanks everyone :)
[21:03] <gilir> #endmeeting
[21:03] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Jan 25 21:03:30 2012 UTC.
[21:03] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-01-25-20.03.moin.txt
[21:03] <phillw> gilir: thanks for chairing.
[21:04] <Yorvyk> Bye
[21:04] <gilir> StephenSmally, I'll open a bug also for LSC, I have mixed language in the UI (french + english in the information window)
[21:04] <Unit193> Right, EOM
[21:04] <StephenSmally> yep
[21:05] <StephenSmally> also i need to know how to tell gettext to translate data/categories.ini
[21:05] <gilir> StephenSmally, it may be tricky :/ I'll try to have a look at it
[21:06] <StephenSmally> thankyou, i need to be translated only the names (name=*)
[21:06] <StephenSmally> something like the desktop file should work
[21:06] <StephenSmally> (is an .ini file too)
[21:07] <gilir> StephenSmally, yes, I think so, but sometimes, autotools do things ... not expected :)
[21:08] <StephenSmally> XD i don't really like autotools, but i'm an old-style developer
[21:18] <AlanBell> #endmeeting
[21:18] <AlanBell> #startmeeting
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[21:19] <AlanBell> #topic why is this not working right I wonder
[21:20] <AlanBell> #topic can you do it now silly bot?
[21:20] <AlanBell> #topic how about now?
[21:21] <AlanBell> #topic did that help?
[21:27] <AlanBell> #topic now?
[21:29] <AlanBell> #topic was it like that before I wonder
[21:29] <AlanBell> #endmeeting
[21:29] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Jan 25 21:29:33 2012 UTC.
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[21:29] <Unit193> It didn't have +t
[21:29] <AlanBell> so who set it +t?
[21:30] <Unit193> I don't idle here
[21:32] <micahg> AlanBell: seems to have happened about 5.5 hrs ago
[21:33] <AlanBell> ok
[21:34]  * Unit193 waves to micahg 
[21:35] <AlanBell> #startmeeting an important meeting
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[21:35] <AlanBell> #topic an important topic
[21:35] <AlanBell> #endmeeting
[21:35] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Jan 25 21:35:33 2012 UTC.
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[21:36] <AlanBell> must arrange a meetingology hack day to iron out some of the many bugs
[21:37] <Unit193> Any ubuntu/member can op :/  Alrighty, coolio
[21:38] <AlanBell> yeah, members can op here, anyone can /topic and the bot listens to the chair (person who started the meeting) and any ops
[21:39] <Unit193> Ah, any OPs too
[21:39] <AlanBell> so anyone who can op up can #endmeeting if the chair falls off the internet or whatever
[23:02] <balloons> #ubuntu-testing