| mneptok | FreeNET: did you want to try to resolve your ban? if not, we have a no-idle policy. | 03:24 |
|---|---|---|
| bazhang | Pharaoh is back at it | 08:38 |
| FreeNET | mneptok | 08:57 |
| bazhang | cinnamon is for ARCH? | 08:57 |
| Myrtti | I thought for Mint | 08:57 |
| bazhang | ok | 08:57 |
| FreeNET | my english very bad | 08:57 |
| FreeNET | sorry | 08:57 |
| bazhang | dies_irae is asking for it | 08:57 |
| Myrtti | FreeNET: change your quit message | 08:57 |
| FreeNET | ok | 08:57 |
| FreeNET | done! | 08:58 |
| bazhang | I'm not comfortable giving out random PPA sites such webupd8 for software install suggestions | 08:58 |
| Myrtti | FreeNET: if we see it and don't like it and ban you again, getting unbanned will not be as easy. Understand? | 08:59 |
| FreeNET | Myrtti ok | 09:00 |
| FreeNET | 10x | 09:00 |
| Myrtti | ok, hold on | 09:01 |
| FreeNET | oki | 09:01 |
| FreeNET | * Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned). | 09:01 |
| Myrtti | I just realised I've banned you last year about the same issue | 09:02 |
| popey | bazhang: I thought it was decided that ppa's were not supported? | 09:03 |
| Tm_T | only official (and supported by our teams) are supported? | 09:04 |
| Tm_T | I mean, there's plenty of stuff on ppa that are supported by the same team who does give support on ubuntu archives too | 09:04 |
| bazhang | popey, right; they are not, and have never been so; often times people will recommend off repo things from websites such as webupd8 and the like though. | 09:05 |
| bazhang | the only PPA I would ever feel ok recommending is the handbrake one, as its what the handbrake people themselves recommend, and is maintained by jstebbins at last check | 09:05 |
| * Myrtti ponders what to do with FreeNET | 09:06 | |
| bazhang | so does support mean: don't mention it at all, or don't offer to fix when it breaks, or both | 09:07 |
| bazhang | whoops not support | 09:07 |
| Myrtti | FreeNET: I've brought you here last september to discuss about your quit message, and now the SAME quit message is a problem again. Why is that? | 09:13 |
| FreeNET | Myrtti sorry | 09:14 |
| FreeNET | my english bad | 09:14 |
| FreeNET | :( | 09:14 |
| Myrtti | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/09/21/%23ubuntu-ops.html#t22:02 | 09:14 |
| FreeNET | ( | 09:15 |
| FreeNET | :( | 09:15 |
| Myrtti | FreeNET: could you | 09:22 |
| Myrtti | FreeNET: could you *PLEASE* promise that in the future when you update your script/IRC client, you *WILL* check what quit message you have? | 09:22 |
| FreeNET | Myrtti i promise | 09:24 |
| bazhang | for example: a user wants audacious to have sound menu support, but only 3.2 version has that , of which there is a PPA for | 09:25 |
| ikonia | bazhang: too much stuff is based around PPA's at the moment and there (and there can't be) checks for quality or support | 09:25 |
| FreeNET | Myrtti 10x very match | 09:25 |
| bazhang | ikonia, agreed | 09:26 |
| Myrtti | FreeNET: you're wel....come, please try not to end up in here again | 09:26 |
| bazhang | the whole PPA issue seems to conflict with Ubuntu using relatively stable software packages. tons of websites push them | 09:26 |
| ikonia | PPA != ubuntu | 09:27 |
| popey | i think you're making a sweeping generalisation about PPAs there | 09:34 |
| popey | take the unity team one or the mozilla team one, both run by people who work on those projects for Ubuntu, who work for Canonical | 09:35 |
| popey | so they are similar quality to the release | 09:35 |
| Tm_T | 1104.30 <+Tm_T> only official (and supported by our teams) are supported? | 09:35 |
| Tm_T | 1104.56 <+Tm_T> I mean, there's plenty of stuff on ppa that are supported by the same team who does give support on ubuntu archives too | 09:35 |
| AlanBell | hmm | 09:35 |
| AlanBell | if people want to help test stuff pre-release then a PPA is an awesome way of doing so | 09:35 |
| Myrtti | popey: the problem is that there's gazillion and one of these PPA's that are supported to varying degrees by Ubuntu and/or Canonical, and it's impossible for each op to remember which is verboten and which is kosher | 09:36 |
| popey | which makes it daft to make any rule about them being verboten or kosher | 09:37 |
| Tm_T | Myrtti: there's not that many of those I would support that I know, really | 09:37 |
| Tm_T | but yeah, it's not easy to draw a clear line there | 09:38 |
| popey | so why have a line? | 09:38 |
| Myrtti | it's easier to "throw the kid to wolves" ie. to the developer IRC channel and let them handle the support, and us stick to the common parts everyone has access/interest to | 09:38 |
| Myrtti | give a finger to the devil or somesuch saying here | 09:39 |
| Tm_T | Myrtti: I agree it's easier, but I also feel we shouldn't do things certain way just because it's easier for us | 09:39 |
| popey | it depends what your level of support is I gues.. "did you get that from a ppa? well you're unsupported, please leave", or "oh, you got that from a ppa, looks like joe schmo is responsible for that, contact him/her" | 09:39 |
| Tm_T | yup | 09:39 |
| Tm_T | sorry, but I am idealist (: | 09:39 |
| Tm_T | popey: I don't even consider the first being an option | 09:40 |
| Tm_T | we always should point people to the right direction if the right direction is known | 09:40 |
| Tm_T | and I believe, for example in Firefox case, I should tell people of that option (and mention that it's ppa so not supported by the ubuntu project as a whole) | 09:42 |
| Tm_T | that option being ppa | 09:42 |
| Tm_T | some random ppa? no, I would not let people recommend it at all if there's stable, supported option around | 09:43 |
| Tm_T | ...and I'm not even sure if I am making any sense now | 09:43 |
| Myrtti | yes well I think the point bazhang was trying to make was that there's some weblog/ubuntu newssites that have their PPA's they mention in about half the stories they run | 09:44 |
| popey | unsurprising really, often with the new crack people are itching to get it 'now' | 09:45 |
| popey | they're servicing that need | 09:45 |
| AlanBell | !ppa | 09:45 |
| ubottu | A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa | 09:45 |
| AlanBell | sounds about right to me | 09:45 |
| Tm_T | Myrtti: indeed, oftentimes something what wouldn't meet the quality requirements | 09:45 |
| AlanBell | a ppa is just a tarball that works | 09:46 |
| bazhang | hehe | 09:47 |
| popey | that description doesn't cover packages that are available in the archive, but are outdated | 09:49 |
| AlanBell | it is not always the case that a ppa is ahead of the archives | 09:51 |
| jussi | I fully recommend the Kubuntu PPA's | 09:53 |
| bazhang | thought moonlight/silverlight were dead | 10:00 |
| Myrtti | moonlight certainly is. | 10:01 |
| jussi | sadly mtv3 doesnt think so :( (silverlight) | 10:02 |
| Myrtti | I wish I could have given him helpful advice. | 10:04 |
| Myrtti | :-| | 10:04 |
| bazhang | <Pharaoh> Guys!! I need help, I think my computer is part of a botnet. | 10:18 |
| bazhang | he was asking for psychiatric help in #ubuntu earlier | 10:19 |
| ikonia | we need a better factoid than !ot for things such as windows questions | 10:21 |
| bazhang | he's just trolling. has been in multiple channels all day | 10:22 |
| ikonia | and I've just ended it | 10:22 |
| jussi | ikonia: I agree. | 10:22 |
| bazhang | he's using windows, he knows it's ubuntu support earlier | 10:22 |
| jussi | mind | 10:22 |
| jussi | !windows | 10:22 |
| ubottu | For discussion on Microsoft software, or help with same, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and /msg ubottu equivalents | 10:22 |
| ikonia | and it's done now | 10:22 |
| ikonia | jussi: I meant windows just as an example | 10:23 |
| ikonia | eg: how do I write a php web page | 10:23 |
| ikonia | that sort of generic question | 10:23 |
| ikonia | something along the lines of "there are better more specific channels for your question, visit freenode.net to find the best channel for you needs" | 10:23 |
| ikonia | but something that's factual | 10:23 |
| bazhang | he was directed to ##windows . he continued nonetheless | 10:23 |
| ikonia | rather than what I've just made up | 10:23 |
| ikonia | bazhang: it's ended now | 10:23 |
| bazhang | there's !alis | 10:24 |
| ikonia | something a bit more actually conversational seems better, | 10:24 |
| ikonia | !alis | 10:24 |
| ubottu | alis is a services bot that can help you find channels. Read "/msg alis help list" for help and ask any questions about it in #freenode. Example usage: /msg alis list #ubuntu* or /msg alis list *http* | 10:24 |
| ikonia | yeah, that doesn't explain why we don't want to help, or the approach, just informs you of the bot | 10:24 |
| jussi | ikonia: I agree, somethign that starts a nicer: Unfortunately your question is out of the scope of this channel.... | 10:24 |
| jussi | !scope | 10:24 |
| ubottu | We don't need factoids for *everything*, or ten factoids for the same thing ;) | 10:24 |
| jussi | meh | 10:24 |
| bazhang | since he was already asking really oddball questions earlier, ie about getting psychiatric help , it was clear where this was going | 10:25 |
| jussi | bazhang: I think we are talking mor generically now | 10:25 |
| bazhang | jussi, ok | 10:25 |
| ikonia | sorry, yes, I just meant in general, not for this specific incident | 10:26 |
| jussi | theres a lot of this type of questions, I think finding a slightly more polite factoid would be nice - something friendly | 10:26 |
| ubottu | KrisDouglas called the ops in #ubuntu () | 12:26 |
| bazhang | <amine> se ubuntu ce de la mlerde | 12:42 |
| bazhang | I think he means mierde, which is not nice | 12:43 |
| LjL | nice catch | 12:44 |
| bazhang | advowork already got an answer for that, several hours ago | 12:52 |
| LjL | !botdoc | 13:00 |
| ubottu | Documentation on the custom plugins for ubottu and clones is located at http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugin | Documentation for the official !Supybot plugins is located at http://ubottu.com/devel/supydoc/ | 13:00 |
| LjL | !no botdoc is <reply> Documentation on the custom plugins for ubottu and clones is located at http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins | Documentation for the official !Supybot plugins is located at http://ubottu.com/devel/supydoc/ | 13:00 |
| ubottu | I'll remember that LjL | 13:00 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (algo2 appears to be abusive and has been muted, will need to be UNMUTED MANUALLY) | 13:33 |
| bazhang | whoa | 13:33 |
| bazhang | nice new feature in the FB | 13:34 |
| LjL | not very new | 13:34 |
| LjL | just doesn't kick in too often | 13:34 |
| bazhang | consecutive curses? is that what triggers it? | 13:34 |
| LjL | bazhang: kinda. it's a bit more complicated, will explain in -team | 13:34 |
| bazhang | ok | 13:35 |
| bazhang | he immediately ban evaded to come back and curse us out | 13:35 |
| bazhang | algo2 that is | 13:35 |
| bazhang | * [howdoi] (~algo@falkenstein.tunnelr.com): Algo | 13:39 |
| bazhang | ban evasion #2 | 13:40 |
| LjL | [14:40:41] <howdoi> I can be back in 2 minutes on another VPN. I just think it's stupid u banned me in the first place. | 13:41 |
| LjL | [14:41:06] <LjL> i didn't ban you, the bot did, because you were so abusive you triggered its filters. | 13:43 |
| LjL | [14:41:11] <LjL> so blame yourself if anyone. | 13:43 |
| LjL | [14:42:42] <howdoi> "requested by LjL" That isn't a bot, it's you | 13:43 |
| LjL | [14:43:04] <howdoi> It's ok I have about 5 more VPN's I can use before I dip into Tor IRC | 13:43 |
| LjL | [14:44:39] <howdoi> Stay sharp whore, and see if you get the next one | 13:45 |
| bazhang | which will get a kline | 13:45 |
| ikonia | thats ok, just means he's got 5 vpns, so 5 more bans and he's done | 13:46 |
| ikonia | best of luck to him | 13:46 |
| bazhang | the open tor relay was a kill/kline I thought | 13:49 |
| LjL | he's now joining, redirected to ##unavailable | 13:53 |
| LjL | keep an eye open | 13:53 |
| LjL | Pici: can i have op flags in #Ubuntu-proxy-users? | 13:57 |
| Tm_T | cani bean! | 13:58 |
| Pici | LjL: done | 13:59 |
| LjL | Pici: <3 | 13:59 |
| LjL | banforwarded his tunnel there, ##unavailable seemed too harsh for a tunnel that other people may use too | 14:00 |
| mneptok | Myrtti: thanks for dealing with FreeNet | 15:17 |
| * mneptok goes to install a new kernel | 15:17 | |
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| * mneptok is now on the same side of things as services | 16:08 | |
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| jpds | Most peculiar. | 17:13 |
| ikonia | ? | 17:13 |
| jpds | dsg_ in #ubuntu typing in Cyrillic. | 17:14 |
| ikonia | not seen it, | 17:14 |
| jpds | Well, I got tired of him. | 17:17 |
| jpds | Haha, he join -ru and got kicked straight away. | 17:20 |
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| Pici | meh | 19:59 |
| ubottu | FloodBotK1 called the ops in #kubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from danielo) | 20:53 |
| Pici | jpds: could you see if ubot4's factoid sync is working? | 21:27 |
| Myrtti | Iĺl smack nyl to next week if he continues | 22:39 |
| knome | ĺ ? :P | 22:40 |
| Myrtti | bluetooth keyboard without ' key where it should be | 22:41 |
| Myrtti | foldable nonFinnish layout | 22:41 |
| knome | ;) | 22:41 |
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