[03:24] FreeNET: did you want to try to resolve your ban? if not, we have a no-idle policy. [08:38] Pharaoh is back at it [08:57] mneptok [08:57] cinnamon is for ARCH? [08:57] I thought for Mint [08:57] ok [08:57] my english very bad [08:57] sorry [08:57] dies_irae is asking for it [08:57] FreeNET: change your quit message [08:57] ok [08:58] done! [08:58] I'm not comfortable giving out random PPA sites such webupd8 for software install suggestions [08:59] FreeNET: if we see it and don't like it and ban you again, getting unbanned will not be as easy. Understand? [09:00] Myrtti ok [09:00] 10x [09:01] ok, hold on [09:01] oki [09:01] * Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned). [09:02] I just realised I've banned you last year about the same issue [09:03] bazhang: I thought it was decided that ppa's were not supported? [09:04] only official (and supported by our teams) are supported? [09:04] I mean, there's plenty of stuff on ppa that are supported by the same team who does give support on ubuntu archives too [09:05] popey, right; they are not, and have never been so; often times people will recommend off repo things from websites such as webupd8 and the like though. [09:05] the only PPA I would ever feel ok recommending is the handbrake one, as its what the handbrake people themselves recommend, and is maintained by jstebbins at last check [09:06] * Myrtti ponders what to do with FreeNET [09:07] so does support mean: don't mention it at all, or don't offer to fix when it breaks, or both [09:07] whoops not support [09:13] FreeNET: I've brought you here last september to discuss about your quit message, and now the SAME quit message is a problem again. Why is that? [09:14] Myrtti sorry [09:14] my english bad [09:14] :( [09:14] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/09/21/%23ubuntu-ops.html#t22:02 [09:15] ( [09:15] :( [09:22] FreeNET: could you [09:22] FreeNET: could you *PLEASE* promise that in the future when you update your script/IRC client, you *WILL* check what quit message you have? [09:24] Myrtti i promise [09:25] for example: a user wants audacious to have sound menu support, but only 3.2 version has that , of which there is a PPA for [09:25] bazhang: too much stuff is based around PPA's at the moment and there (and there can't be) checks for quality or support [09:25] Myrtti 10x very match [09:26] ikonia, agreed [09:26] FreeNET: you're wel....come, please try not to end up in here again [09:26] the whole PPA issue seems to conflict with Ubuntu using relatively stable software packages. tons of websites push them [09:27] PPA != ubuntu [09:34] i think you're making a sweeping generalisation about PPAs there [09:35] take the unity team one or the mozilla team one, both run by people who work on those projects for Ubuntu, who work for Canonical [09:35] so they are similar quality to the release [09:35] 1104.30 <+Tm_T> only official (and supported by our teams) are supported? [09:35] 1104.56 <+Tm_T> I mean, there's plenty of stuff on ppa that are supported by the same team who does give support on ubuntu archives too [09:35] hmm [09:35] if people want to help test stuff pre-release then a PPA is an awesome way of doing so [09:36] popey: the problem is that there's gazillion and one of these PPA's that are supported to varying degrees by Ubuntu and/or Canonical, and it's impossible for each op to remember which is verboten and which is kosher [09:37] which makes it daft to make any rule about them being verboten or kosher [09:37] Myrtti: there's not that many of those I would support that I know, really [09:38] but yeah, it's not easy to draw a clear line there [09:38] so why have a line? [09:38] it's easier to "throw the kid to wolves" ie. to the developer IRC channel and let them handle the support, and us stick to the common parts everyone has access/interest to [09:39] give a finger to the devil or somesuch saying here [09:39] Myrtti: I agree it's easier, but I also feel we shouldn't do things certain way just because it's easier for us [09:39] it depends what your level of support is I gues.. "did you get that from a ppa? well you're unsupported, please leave", or "oh, you got that from a ppa, looks like joe schmo is responsible for that, contact him/her" [09:39] yup [09:39] sorry, but I am idealist (: [09:40] popey: I don't even consider the first being an option [09:40] we always should point people to the right direction if the right direction is known [09:42] and I believe, for example in Firefox case, I should tell people of that option (and mention that it's ppa so not supported by the ubuntu project as a whole) [09:42] that option being ppa [09:43] some random ppa? no, I would not let people recommend it at all if there's stable, supported option around [09:43] ...and I'm not even sure if I am making any sense now [09:44] yes well I think the point bazhang was trying to make was that there's some weblog/ubuntu newssites that have their PPA's they mention in about half the stories they run [09:45] unsurprising really, often with the new crack people are itching to get it 'now' [09:45] they're servicing that need [09:45] !ppa [09:45] A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa [09:45] sounds about right to me [09:45] Myrtti: indeed, oftentimes something what wouldn't meet the quality requirements [09:46] a ppa is just a tarball that works [09:47] hehe [09:49] that description doesn't cover packages that are available in the archive, but are outdated [09:51] it is not always the case that a ppa is ahead of the archives [09:53] I fully recommend the Kubuntu PPA's [10:00] thought moonlight/silverlight were dead [10:01] moonlight certainly is. [10:02] sadly mtv3 doesnt think so :( (silverlight) [10:04] I wish I could have given him helpful advice. [10:04] :-| [10:18] Guys!! I need help, I think my computer is part of a botnet. [10:19] he was asking for psychiatric help in #ubuntu earlier [10:21] we need a better factoid than !ot for things such as windows questions [10:22] he's just trolling. has been in multiple channels all day [10:22] and I've just ended it [10:22] ikonia: I agree. [10:22] he's using windows, he knows it's ubuntu support earlier [10:22] mind [10:22] !windows [10:22] For discussion on Microsoft software, or help with same, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and /msg ubottu equivalents [10:22] and it's done now [10:23] jussi: I meant windows just as an example [10:23] eg: how do I write a php web page [10:23] that sort of generic question [10:23] something along the lines of "there are better more specific channels for your question, visit freenode.net to find the best channel for you needs" [10:23] but something that's factual [10:23] he was directed to ##windows . he continued nonetheless [10:23] rather than what I've just made up [10:23] bazhang: it's ended now [10:24] there's !alis [10:24] something a bit more actually conversational seems better, [10:24] !alis [10:24] alis is a services bot that can help you find channels. Read "/msg alis help list" for help and ask any questions about it in #freenode. Example usage: /msg alis list #ubuntu* or /msg alis list *http* [10:24] yeah, that doesn't explain why we don't want to help, or the approach, just informs you of the bot [10:24] ikonia: I agree, somethign that starts a nicer: Unfortunately your question is out of the scope of this channel.... [10:24] !scope [10:24] We don't need factoids for *everything*, or ten factoids for the same thing ;) [10:24] meh [10:25] since he was already asking really oddball questions earlier, ie about getting psychiatric help , it was clear where this was going [10:25] bazhang: I think we are talking mor generically now [10:25] jussi, ok [10:26] sorry, yes, I just meant in general, not for this specific incident [10:26] theres a lot of this type of questions, I think finding a slightly more polite factoid would be nice - something friendly [12:26] KrisDouglas called the ops in #ubuntu () [12:42] se ubuntu ce de la mlerde [12:43] I think he means mierde, which is not nice [12:44] nice catch [12:52] advowork already got an answer for that, several hours ago [13:00] !botdoc [13:00] Documentation on the custom plugins for ubottu and clones is located at http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugin | Documentation for the official !Supybot plugins is located at http://ubottu.com/devel/supydoc/ [13:00] !no botdoc is Documentation on the custom plugins for ubottu and clones is located at http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins | Documentation for the official !Supybot plugins is located at http://ubottu.com/devel/supydoc/ [13:00] I'll remember that LjL [13:33] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (algo2 appears to be abusive and has been muted, will need to be UNMUTED MANUALLY) [13:33] whoa [13:34] nice new feature in the FB [13:34] not very new [13:34] just doesn't kick in too often [13:34] consecutive curses? is that what triggers it? [13:34] bazhang: kinda. it's a bit more complicated, will explain in -team [13:35] ok [13:35] he immediately ban evaded to come back and curse us out [13:35] algo2 that is [13:39] * [howdoi] (~algo@falkenstein.tunnelr.com): Algo [13:40] ban evasion #2 [13:41] [14:40:41] I can be back in 2 minutes on another VPN. I just think it's stupid u banned me in the first place. [13:43] [14:41:06] i didn't ban you, the bot did, because you were so abusive you triggered its filters. [13:43] [14:41:11] so blame yourself if anyone. [13:43] [14:42:42] "requested by LjL" That isn't a bot, it's you [13:43] [14:43:04] It's ok I have about 5 more VPN's I can use before I dip into Tor IRC [13:45] [14:44:39] Stay sharp whore, and see if you get the next one [13:45] which will get a kline [13:46] thats ok, just means he's got 5 vpns, so 5 more bans and he's done [13:46] best of luck to him [13:49] the open tor relay was a kill/kline I thought [13:53] he's now joining, redirected to ##unavailable [13:53] keep an eye open [13:57] Pici: can i have op flags in #Ubuntu-proxy-users? [13:58] cani bean! [13:59] LjL: done [13:59] Pici: <3 [14:00] banforwarded his tunnel there, ##unavailable seemed too harsh for a tunnel that other people may use too [15:17] Myrtti: thanks for dealing with FreeNet [15:17] * mneptok goes to install a new kernel === mrmist_ is now known as mrmist === marienz is now known as 5EXAA07MX === 5EXAA07MX is now known as marienz === Gary_ is now known as Guest32137 === maco is now known as Guest59992 === Corey_ is now known as Guest51495 === Guest59992 is now known as maco [16:08] * mneptok is now on the same side of things as services === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia [17:13] Most peculiar. [17:13] ? [17:14] dsg_ in #ubuntu typing in Cyrillic. [17:14] not seen it, [17:17] Well, I got tired of him. [17:20] Haha, he join -ru and got kicked straight away. === Guest51495 is now known as Corey === beuno_ is now known as beuno [19:59] meh [20:53] FloodBotK1 called the ops in #kubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from danielo) [21:27] jpds: could you see if ubot4's factoid sync is working? [22:39] Iĺl smack nyl to next week if he continues [22:40] ĺ ? :P [22:41] bluetooth keyboard without ' key where it should be [22:41] foldable nonFinnish layout [22:41] ;)