[00:15] [Dominic Watkins] Prompt with colour-changing smiley dependant upon exit code of command - http://rowla.dyndns.org/blog/2012/01/24/prompt-with-colour-changing-smiley-dependant-upon-exit-code-of-command/ === chalced is now known as chalcedony [08:09] Morning all [08:22] moin [08:37] lornisng [08:37] gah, home keys [08:37] morning [08:38] lornisng AlanBell [08:39] * AlanBell goes to top up the cofeee levels [08:40] Morning [08:41] ;prmosmh AlanBell [08:41] Oooh Chiral superconductivity [08:42] This effect breaks time-reversal symmetry [08:42] Is there *anything* that graphene can't do? http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/01/graphene-may-exhibit-exotic-superconductivity.ars [08:44] TheOpenSourcerer: Solve p vs np? [08:44] TheOpenSourcerer: Solve bug1 ? [08:46] Make cheese? [09:07] Good Morning Fellow Ubuntu'ers [09:14] AlanBell: would you say bug 921275 is a dupe of 921068? [09:14] Launchpad bug 921275 in Application Menu Indicator "HUD searching method is hard to fathom" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921275 [09:15] !ping [09:15] another contentless ping... sigh... [09:15] !pong [09:15] pong is an old atari game. It's fun! [09:16] !ding [09:16] dong [09:16] !Leslie Phillips [09:20] Nice. Visit this link from your mobile data connection: http://lew.io/headers.php On O" they send your Mobile Phone Number to every site you visit... [09:20] s/O2 [09:27] eww [09:34] morning [09:34] anybody know anyone who works at giffgaff? [09:34] they've made a complete horlicks of porting my wife's mobile phone number :( [09:34] Not really - They use a fairly "opensource" method of support ;-) [09:36] danfish: Have you seen the noise about O2 this morning? sending your mobile # to every site you visit. [09:36] Would be nice if trac were to email me when a client adds an attachment to a ticket :| [09:37] TheOpenSourcerer: oh that's just the cherry on top of the icing. I'm setting up my own mobile network. [09:37] * danfish orders a thousand carrier pidgeons [09:37] at least if they don't work you can eat them [09:38] Wonder if O2 might be trending soon... [09:40] Ewww - Scary plane landings... http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-57365171-52/dont-fly-this-at-home-video-of-scary-landings-goes-viral/ [09:45] howdy all [09:46] anyone used a Synology NAS before? [09:47] They look really neat, do two-way sync and also backup and 'time-based backups' to Amazon S3. [09:49] Hah Hah: https://twitter.com/#!/o2 [09:50] man, I need faster internet.. [09:53] crikey TheOpenSourcerer they're in a spot of bother :D [09:53] Wow, nice morning for o2 [09:53] damage control mode ON! [09:53] and just when I was going to re-code our website to text adverts to visitors [09:56] Ooops: http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/neelie-kroes/donottrack/ "... it’s a directive to protect us against all kinds of malware and spyware, to ensure the confidentiality of your electronic communications, and to outlaw automated unsolicited marketing phone calls and spam without the consent of the receiver." [10:16] aloha [10:20] Hi czajkowski [10:24] O2 customers, this is for you - http://lew.io/headers.php [10:26] that's nice :D works a treat on my O2 phone. [10:26] One more reason to use a VPN :) [10:27] or proxy. [10:28] do vpns/proxies work on mobiles? [10:28] gord: there is the option for a vpn on my phone though never tried it [10:29] FWIW I'm a fraud investigator, and using proxies is a big red flag. [10:30] rml_home: uh? [10:30] gord: yes, they do. [10:30] proxies are pretty common [10:31] rml_home: what kind of fraud? [10:32] what happens when a fraud investigator is suspected of fraud? Are there fraud investigator investigators? [10:32] what about fraud investigator investigators that are su... yeah lets not do that [10:33] Daviey/oimon: My company takes online payments. Peeps coming via an anonymising proxy stand out a mile [10:33] * danfish decides to setup the vpn he's meant to do for yonks [10:34] rml_home: like every virgin media customer? [10:34] don't the FBI own some tor nodes? [10:34] rml_home: who said anything about anonymising proxies? [10:35] Daviey: I read a whole subtext into your "uh?" [10:37] rml_home: considering proxies as a whole as a red flag is concerning... :) [10:39] Daviey: I look at a lot of other stuff too, but coming via an anonymising proxy is a legitimate concern [10:40] in your line of work i can see why. [10:40] it's a red flag, not a ban hammer [10:40] At no point was i suggesting a "anonymising proxy". [10:40] anywayyyy.... [10:41] Although, i'd be interested in seeing how you determine an "anonymising proxy".. unless it is from a provider which specalises in this. [10:42] Daviey: There are sites which specialise in this stuff unfortunately [10:43] andylockran: feeling bored? Fancy writing a page that grabs the phone number from the headers, and inserts it into asterisk to call them and say "thanks for visiting my web page 'foobar' ? [10:43] rml_home: right.. :/ [10:43] http://hidemyass.com/ is one of my favourites right now [10:44] Someone on my team used to work for Anonymizer. [10:46] I used to use SafeWeb, which was CIA funded :) [10:46] I try to do the best I can for my employer to mitigate fraud. Most of our customers don't do tricksy stuff. The ones that do get extra scrutiny [10:48] I'm looking for a way to get a dessktop boot locked down to only be allowed to use the browser. [10:48] Anyone have any suggestions on this? [10:49] Mez: quick google gave me this for ubuntu: http://www.instructables.com/id/Setting-Up-Ubuntu-as-a-Kiosk-Web-Appliance/ [10:49] Mez: google for ubuntu kiosk mode [10:49] indeed, thats the first hit [10:51] mez, also disable the firefox restore sessions thing if using firefox ... [10:52] Hmm... [10:52] hmm that guide is more for display screens than what you're after i guess [10:53] well, without --kiosk it might be suitable. [10:54] kde3 used to have kiosk admin tool [10:54] huzzah found bug that's beeng annoying and developer couldnt confrm but now can, dont feel like an tool [10:54] someone should do a live cd of this really [10:55] delete all users and logon as guest ☺ [10:56] great now my batter is swigging from being empty to being charged all within a min or so [10:57] my laptop lasted for 5 hours the other night when i tested it [10:57] popey: aye I'm getting just short of 6 now [10:58] loving it [10:58] :D [10:58] My laptop lasted 19 minutes last night. [10:58] I'm pleased with the battery life of my Xoom so far [11:02] my laptop would last 8-10 until platform sprint :( new kernel came out and the awesome power management stuff went away [11:04] Read that as 8-10 mins. Most confusing [11:05] Daviey: I would if I had the time.. busy man with new work :D [11:08] pff - call that battery life! I've gotton a year out of a AA cell....on an arduino ;) [11:10] andylockran: an awesome person like you, should take, what 3 mins? [11:11] i've never had to replace the batteries in my ps3 blutooth remote ever! [11:12] andylockran: that o2 stuff apparentl affects giffgaff too! [11:12] My Pacemaker battery is lasting along time too [11:13] aa batteries obviously last the longest, will have to jerry rig my laptop to run on them [11:13] * popey gets his giffgaff sim out [11:14] Oh matron [11:14] Mez: it goes back a long time it eems [11:16] danfish: How did you get around the silly voltage regulatory eating mAh? [11:16] laptop with AA batteries -> http://www.norhtec.com/products/gecko/index.html [11:17] * daubers installs the hud [11:18] daubers: some rather clever code (obviously not written by me!) from this guy http://jeelabs.org/2012/01/19/the-beat-still-goes-on/ [11:18] danfish: Ah, are you using arduinos or jeenodes? [11:19] jeenode with this for power http://jeelabs.com/products/aa-power-board [11:19] :) That'll be why [11:19] :) [11:19] The voltage regulator on the arduino eats power even when the atmega is set to idle [11:19] or idle power down [11:20] yeah, it's not the most efficient one they could have chosen [11:21] power efficiency isn't really a goal [11:24] gordonjcp: quite right...it's a journey not a goal [11:27] heh :) I've just been taking arduinos appart to get the to the power efficiency I want [11:28] you're starting from the wrong place [11:30] gordonjcp: eh? [11:31] danfish: if you want it to be power efficient, forget the arduino [11:31] and indeed the ATMega 8-bit family [11:31] you wouldn't start building a fuel-efficient car by getting a V8 and a 3-speed auto box, would you? [11:32] true [11:46] everyone got a haggis? [11:47] Mmmm, haggis [11:47] Is it burns night? [11:48] * popey is making pizza tonight [11:48] nobody else in the house likes haggis [11:48] If anybody is bothered about the O2 mobile leaking mobile numbers, pocketlint have a work around http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/44141/o2-leaking-phone-number-to-websites [11:48] Awww [11:49] might pop out and get some tho === AlanBell changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | Meeting 2nd February 21:00 UK time #ubuntu-uk-meeting | "Fair fa' your honest, sonsie face, Great chieftain o' the puddin-race!" [11:49] * DJones thinks haggis is a great idea [11:49] * popey suspects waitrose would be the best place to go [11:49] haggis crumbled on pizza? [11:49] heh, nice idea! [11:50] popey: waitrose sell lovely pre-sliced haggis that you microwave for 1 minute [11:50] oooo [11:50] 2 slices per pack [11:50] DJones: Please don't spread that around.. it's making it really hard for those trying to abuse this. [11:50] So a sensible amount [11:50] Daviey: Heh, you better tell pocketlint as well [11:51] I saw that yesterday bigcalm, but went and got a more propper one [11:51] DJones: heh [11:52] Daviey: Post a link to the pocketlink story on /. it'll be as good a DOS attack on pocketlink :) [11:54] eww. Waitrose sell haggis in a tin, that doesn't sound good [11:55] it is actually [11:55] its in the usual sack thing [11:55] they also do a huge haggis for £15 that feeds 10 people [11:55] AlanBell: Or 2 people with normal appetites [11:57] i have never had haggis :s [11:57] DJones: I was slightly tempted, but it looked a bit big even for me [11:57] christel: sainsburys in town has them [11:57] ooh [11:58] DJones: good thinking [11:59] AlanBell: can't you just get some of your chicken feed, marinate it in a puddle for a week, then wrap it in a sock - would look very similar to most haggis I've eaten :P [11:59] * popey goes to waitrose to look for haggis [11:59] oi Leave some for me [12:09] good afternoon everyone. [12:10] danfish: that is approximately how it works I believer [12:10] just updated my virtualbox instance and the mouse won't move :S [12:13] holy crap [12:13] you guys see that stuff about o2? [12:15] yup [12:15] Why isn't there a "Tab" key on the right hand side of a keyboard, it would make navigating websites/filling numerical boxes in much easier [12:19] morning all [12:19] DJones, they expect you to have 2 hands [12:19] unless your a pirate [12:20] czajkowski: prod prod prod prod prod prod prod prod prod prod prod prod prod prod prod your get the idea [12:20] ubuntubhoy: Yeah, but one is moving a ruler up and down a piece of paper, it'd be less RSI with one on the right [12:21] Afternoon Dave2 [12:21] Afternoon davmor2 as well [12:25] and to all other daves a good afternoon too [12:26] bigcalm: morning [12:26] morning gord [12:26] Daviey: get a better timezone [12:26] bigcalm: haha tab fail [12:26] gord: And good afternoon to you too [12:26] bigcalm: wilco [12:26] I'm easily amused: https://twitter.com/#!/bigcalm/status/162147052082561024 [12:28] davmor2: hello my der [12:28] *dear [12:28] bigcalm: hahaha [12:28] reflection makes it look like its bent [12:29] Search for 'snake 97' on the android market [12:30] bigcalm: I have like work to do ;) === sagaci_ is now known as sagaci [12:31] Actually quite playable on my phone [12:32] Just silly on the Xoom [12:32] would be better used as a dialler [12:32] that would be nice === HypnoBox_ is now known as TheHypnotist[hom [13:15] are there any PHP masters in here ... ? [13:16] No, just padouin. [13:17] possibly spelled Padawan [13:17] Naughty 02 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3508857 [13:17] o2 even [13:17] davmor2: yeah, I checked with Three and Vodafone, it's just O2 that's sending the telephone number in the headers [13:18] essentially, all mobile providers do it, but they whitelist the sites they send that header to. O2 are saying a router upgrade dropped the whitelist in the skip [13:19] i'd like to know which sites they send it to, then. [13:19] sounds legit [13:20] Perhaps it's a scam to find out what the most popular phone is amongst hackers ;) [13:25] dwatkins, payment portals [13:25] dwatkins, so you can pay for android market etc via your phone bill [13:25] directhex: ah yes, that makes perfect sense [13:26] I vaguely wondered how that worked last time I used one. [13:33] * mattt has an o2 phone :( [13:33] but fortunately it's a work phone [13:33] :P [13:34] mattt: likewise :) I can turn it off when I want to [13:51] A few additional arguments passed to grub has boosted my battery :) [13:51] And I have screen brightness control back. YAY! [13:51] Made myself a 3 large egg omelette for lunch. Wondering if it was sensible now [13:51] Nice one, smittix [13:52] bigcalm: mmmm omelette [13:53] Trying to cut down on my carbohydrate intake. So went for the most protean laden thing I could think of (and could make) [13:55] Not something I'll be eating every day though [14:02] has the min max x boxes gone for anyone else today running Precise? [14:03] not me [14:03] bugger [14:03] I cn only alt f4 them to close [14:03] screenshot? [14:03] sounds like compiz crash [14:03] unity --reset? [14:04] compiz --replace [14:04] popey: http://twitpic.com/8bintd [14:05] put the mouse up there [14:05] oeer missi [14:05] or hold down ALT [14:06] menu and buttons hide by default [14:06] have done for ages [14:06] popey: http://twitpic.com/8bioau [14:06] danit it not capturing the moue [14:06] *mouse [14:06] does the menu not appear when you put the mouse at the top left? [14:07] nope [14:07] but does if I go half way down [14:07] have you installed all updates? [14:07] I'd logout and back in again [14:09] yup did more this morning [14:09] and mvo could recreate my s/w center bug as well [14:09] I am properly liking 12.04 [14:09] except for the bugs [14:10] aye there are some annoying onces [14:11] Might install it this afternoon. [14:12] Is it usable or very buggy? [14:12] very useable [14:12] some slight annoying bugs [14:12] but it's a lot better than previous early stages [14:12] probably subject to breakage when a lot of new packages come down the update chute [14:13] we had new x yesterday [14:13] very few issues [14:15] Cool, will check it out. [14:23] new on stable or testing release, popey? [15:00] Howdy [15:07] what do Ido now [15:11] Hello dickie_ [15:13] Hello all === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [15:27] y'know i've been working on unity in its various forms for over two years now. but i still sometimes close the terminal that i started unity with... [15:30] gord: you should start unity from tty1 [15:30] popey, not good for watching debug messages [15:30] do it in screen? [15:30] then if you close the terminal its fine [15:31] true, but really i just need to stop being an idiot [15:31] there is that [15:33] Grumble sticks [15:34] gord: you're not an idiot, a bit of a muppet maybe but not an idiot ;) [15:34] That'll be why then === bigcalm_ is now known as bigcalm [15:35] bigcalm: what will be why then [15:35] davmor2: why I was having freenode trouble [15:35] bigcalm: why's that then? [15:35] o.O [15:35] Net split [15:36] And nickserv isn't available for me to identify with [15:36] Is it possible to do a programming internship after my degree? [15:37] is it heard of? [15:38] why wouldn't you just go for a full job? [15:38] monsterwizard: i think you are fixated :D [15:39] try to enjoy your degree too! [15:39] gord more job prospects? [15:39] oimon I'm so attached to the grades it's depressing. [15:40] monsterwizard, how would having a real job instead of an internship make any difference? [15:40] monsterwizard: you don't think you'll get experience from a full-time job? [15:40] You're correct :P [15:40] you're wrong [15:41] in my humble opinion... [15:41] My first job was effectively an internship - they paid me very little to learn as I went. [15:41] I'm worried that they'll look a my grades..and no one in the entire world will hire me. [15:41] grades aren't everything [15:42] I got my job with few grades (no A levels or degree) [15:42] by grades, you mean shcool grades or uni exam marks? [15:42] I don't have a degree. [15:42] It's mainly group work. I haven't found friends to work with so I get put with the drop outs :/ [15:42] uni grades. [15:42] uni grades don't count - only final degree mark counts [15:43] http://blog.o2.co.uk/home/2012/01/o2-mobile-numbers-and-web-browsing.html [15:43] or experience, oimon ;) [15:43] It's my first year and the grades don't count but I have the chance to do an intership after year two [15:43] don't uni grades affect the final degree mark? o.O [15:43] why on earth does totem send the alt keypress every 30 seconds... if its to stop the screensaver coming up i'm going to scream [15:43] * czajkowski hugs gord [15:43] monsterwizard: which uni ? [15:43] West England. [15:44] my sis went there [15:44] monsterwizard: a year in industry between 2nd and 3rd year? Which degree, out of interest? [15:44] gord: muhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa [15:44] Computer Science. [15:44] monsterwizard, imo, that experience can be useful [15:44] * dwatkins agrees with hamitron [15:44] if they accept me. [15:44] My brothers did that, was very useful [15:44] I didn't do it, and wish I had [15:45] but are you making a living? [15:45] likewise, I dropped out before going to work for Siemens in Munich [15:45] can you provide food for yourself? [15:45] * dwatkins grins [15:45] While buying the odd electronic device and book? [15:45] gord: if it's a any key press chage it to tab you'll soon find out :) [15:45] monsterwizard: despite what you may have been told, having a degree is not essential in order to get a job you enjoy and that pays well [15:46] It's just a very good idea to start off with. [15:46] dwatkins will that be the case in the future as these qualifications become more important. [15:46] ? [15:47] monsterwizard: I can't say, but it depends who you're being compared to [15:47] degree isn't esssential but can involve a bit of luck getting started in your career [15:47] Imagine you're in an interview against your closest friends at uni, monsterwizard [15:47] i'm sure we have this convo every few weeks. try to chill :D [15:48] haha yeah I must [15:48] if you have the edge, more experience etc. you're more likely to get the job [15:49] and just one more question. [15:49] I feel if I become a sys admin I would of failed [15:49] it's not that bad of a job, right? [15:49] That's quite a generalisation. [15:50] popey: How do you manage your iPhone within Linux? [15:50] getting any job you enjoy, is not really failure [15:50] Or don't you? [15:50] I'd love to be the sysadmin of an interesting place with fun people, monsterwizard, but I'd hate to be a sysadmin for a small company that's going nowhere [15:50] monsterwizard: I started as a sysadmin [15:50] * dwatkins also started as a sysadmin, in a sense [15:50] ahh ok. [15:51] we all have to start somewhere. [15:51] smittix: define 'manage' ? [15:51] popey: Do you add content via linux? [15:51] no [15:51] ahh [15:51] i pull photos off it with shotwell [15:52] sysadmin with linux is fun. sysadmin with windows is downtime and patching and apologising and stomach aches. just my experience [15:52] smittix you're right [15:52] But I do want to be involved in creating something. [15:52] I love building stuffs. [15:52] i create happiness [15:52] oimon: depends on the office, our sysadmin is fairly chilled-out, doesn't need to worry about updates etc. [15:52] and build infrastructure [15:53] oimon: are you building the great British firewall? ;) [15:53] is there one? [15:54] oimon: not that I'm aware of, I'm being silly about the US laws which were proposed, SOPA, PIPA etc. [15:54] Where I started was an SME. With a terrible infrastructure. [15:54] maybe my feigned ignorance is proof that i'm working on it [15:55] So I had the chance to prove myself. [15:55] oimon: cunning [15:55] * dwatkins hands oimon a fox to pet [15:55] * oimon installs linux on it [15:55] * bigcalm would like nickserv to come back :) [15:55] can we just invite it, bigcalm? [15:55] We all would. [15:56] yey i'm back :) [15:56] * bigcalm feels naked and exposed [15:56] Anyway, cheers everyone for making me feel better. [15:57] ok that was scary wht happened? [15:57] !netsplit | ahayzen [15:57] ahayzen: netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit [15:57] ahayzen: Dave2 had something nasty for lunch [15:57] jpds: thx [15:57] bigcalm: lol [15:57] Or what jpds pointed at [15:58] czajkowski / TheOpenSourcerer - http://blog.o2.co.uk/home/2012/01/o2-mobile-numbers-and-web-browsing.html [15:58] gord: hud why is it not showing me urls from history in FF? [15:58] dwatkins: Seen it. Thanks. [15:58] gord: it does on the video ;) [15:58] davmor2: we should get a live demonstration of a fully working system tomorrow ;) [15:59] davmor2, iruno, maybe it hates you? i don't really do the backend ;) [15:59] Haha [15:59] And cz already posted that link [15:59] (15:43:08) czajkowski: http://blog.o2.co.uk/home/2012/01/o2-mobile-numbers-and-web-browsing.html [15:59] oh cool, TheOpenSourcerer :) [15:59] dwatkins: thanks though [15:59] welcome :) [16:00] I was on the phone when you pasted this, czajkowski - thought it was the original story [16:00] anyhoo, moving on... [16:00] It was interesting how "relatively" quickly the issue spread and got dealt with. I doubt that would have happened without Twitter/Facebook etc. [16:01] gord: gee that's okay then ;) [16:01] absolutely, TheOpenSourcerer [16:01] "We share mobile numbers with selected trusted partners for 3 reasons: 1) to manage age verification, which manages access to adult content," that is reassuring [16:01] I was just wondering about that too, AlanBell - how do they know my age, though? [16:02] You pay £1 via a credit card [16:02] they dont, but they know if you have a credit card [16:02] gotcha [16:02] (They then give you £2.50 credit) [16:02] you can phone up and get the age bar lifted, you have to do that if you want to get access to hardcore sites like the ubuntu forums [16:02] You don't need to phone up any more, I did it all online. [16:02] Phwoar! [16:02] all that sedicious content... [16:02] forums are just too exciting ;/ [16:03] it was Orange that classified them as 18+ I think [16:03] They also block (censor) access to Tor apparently... https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tale-new-censors-vodafone-uk-t-mobile-uk-o2-uk-and-t-mobile-usa As does most other UK mobile telcos [16:04] I had a tedious conversation with Orange about the forums once [16:05]