[00:32] hi, anyone still here? [00:36] yes [00:37] I'm trying to change the behaviour of 'ShowCurrentWorkspace' but I can't find the code :) [00:38] I greped the whole unity 2D project and I still can't find it [00:39] what triggers ShowCurrentWorkspace? [00:40] libunity-2d-private/src/launcherapplication.cpp [00:40] calls [00:40] spread.asyncCall("ShowAllWorkspaces", m_application->desktop_file()); [00:41] hm, I copied the wrong line, but it's the same call [00:41] isnt that a qt thing? [00:41] i.e. not a unity thing [00:42] spread is: QDBusInterface spread("com.canonical.Unity2d.Spread", "/Spread", "com.canonical.Unity2d.Spread"); [00:42] I don't know [00:42] I played with qt once before, so... [00:42] I'm lost [00:43] spreadcontroll.cpp calls: Q_EMIT showCurrentWorkspace(applicationDesktopFile); [00:46] the result seems to be very specific [00:46] but it's possible that it's qt thing [00:47] * thumper doesn't know Qt [00:48] i don't even know what the q_emit thing is :) [01:12] mhall119: hey can you help me out [01:13] FloatingGoat: maybe, what's your trouble? [01:13] you're michael hall right? [01:13] yes sir [01:14] well i'm on your blog here and it says you made a unity dictionary lens. And ive been tinkering around for like 30 mins here trying to install it. [01:15] Is there something more to installing it than what is in the readme? [01:15] it's okay if you cant help [01:22] FloatingGoat: well for starters, are you on oneiric or precise? [01:23] im on oneric [01:23] :o [01:23] oneiric* [01:24] ok [01:24] so my Dictionary lens uses my experimental Singlet library, so it's a little more difficult to install currently [01:25] since singlet isn't packaged [01:25] are you familiar with Python? [01:25] hmm interesting. did you make it yourself? [01:25] somewhat, I wrote a simple script once. [01:25] yes [01:26] ok, since I don't have singlet properly packaged, you'd have to do some ugly stuff to manually install it [01:26] I would generally recommend not doing it [01:27] hmmm what kind of ugly stuff? [01:27] sudo copying files into python system directories [01:27] is it risky or just difficult? [01:28] a little bit of both [01:29] FloatingGoat: hang on a minute and let me see if I can get a quick and dirty package made for you [01:29] because I am somewhat familiar with command line [01:29] file management [01:29] alright [01:30] I have 32 bit architexture [01:30] if you needed to know [01:31] nope, it's all python, so it's architecture independent [01:31] hey and I have an idea for another lens/scope [01:31] FloatingGoat: try installing the .deb here http://people.ubuntu.com/~mhall119/singlet/ [01:31] not that you should make it but its an idea [01:32] well if this package works for you, you can make it :) [01:33] alright [01:33] here goes nuthin [01:34] okay it installed [01:35] mhall119: now how do I see if it worked? [01:35] FloatingGoat: ok, no in the directory with the dictionary-lens file [01:36] run: python ./dictionary-lens make [01:36] then: python ./dictionary-lens install [01:36] after that you will need to restart Unity for it to find the new lens [01:36] oh should I put all the files in one folder, does it matter which? [01:36] all which files? [01:37] the ones i got from your launchpad [01:38] the install command will put them where they need to be [01:38] alright cool [01:38] that's what I had thought [01:39] the make command generates the necessary files [01:39] theinstall command puts them in the right system directories [01:39] the install command needs to be run in sudo, I didn't mention that [01:39] permission denied. [01:39] so I [01:39] used sudo [01:39] ^^ [01:41] alright I restarted unity but it doesnt seem to be there [01:41] is there something that needs to be ran? [01:42] I have enchant and dictlient [01:45] when I run it in terminal, it says that it is searching for scopes. [01:46] the install command ran okay [01:46] ? [01:46] lemme check [01:47] well when I ran it, no errors were displayed. nothing was it jumped to a new line. [01:48] hmmm.... [01:49] "(process:20774): libunity-DEBUG: unity-scope-factory.vala:57: Searching for Scopes in /usr/share/unity/lenses/dictionary" [01:49] if that helps [01:49] I think that's standard, it checks for 3rd party scopes that extend the lens [01:50] is the icon showing in the dash? [01:51] no [01:52] alright, then it's not finding the lens file [01:52] ls -lha /usr/share/unity/lenses/dictionary/ [01:55] FloatingGoat: unfortunately I just upgraded to Precise yesterday.... [01:55] drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K 2012-01-24 19:54 . [01:55] drwxr-xr-x 9 root root 4.0K 2012-01-24 19:39 .. [01:55] -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 291 2012-01-24 19:54 dictionary.lens [01:55] -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 291 2012-01-24 19:53 dictionary.lens~ [01:55] -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 11K 2012-01-24 19:39 dictionary-lens.svg [01:55] well, it's there [01:56] oh no, should I do it too? maybe I will try it on my experiment partition. [01:56] try running 'setsid unity' (that'll restart unity) [01:57] hmm I tried that before and just now but still it is not there. [01:58] :/ [01:58] I'm worry dude, I'm not sure where to go from here [01:58] all I can tell you is that I'll be getting Singlet finished up and easily installable for Precise, and I'll try and make the dictionary lens installable from the software center [01:59] s/worry/sorry/ [01:59] hmm okay it is cool. I'll try to tinker some more I guess and maybe ill get somewhere. [02:00] let me know if you make any progress [02:03] okay. [02:03] also I have a cool idea for a scope or lense. [02:03] you wouldnt see it though. [02:04] its for when you get a chat notification. When the notification pops up you press super and you can type a reply and send it from the dash. [02:05] would that be difficult? [02:14] I think that is confusing the dash search for a generic entry field [02:14] which it isn't [02:21] thumper, hey, I have some more questions about valgrind. So I there are a lot of these but im not sure how to read them [02:22] ==2253== Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value(s) [02:22] ==2253== at 0x508E79B: ??? (in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpixman-1.so.0.24.2) [02:22] bschaefer: hi [02:22] ==2253== by 0x7CC686B: ??? [02:22] bschaefer: don't post heaps in here [02:22] ==2253== Uninitialised value was created by a stack allocation [02:22] ==2253== at 0x50798D4: ??? (in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpixman-1.so.0.24.2) [02:22] bschaefer: use a pastebin [02:22] its small [02:22] that is all [02:22] bschaefer: that looks like a bug in libpixman :) [02:22] so I installed that libpixman from source but it still seemed to not get the debugging info [02:23] i know :), but there seems to be a lot of ?????? everywhere through the logs [02:23] * thumper looks at something [02:24] thumper, I figured that installing from source would install it with the correct debugging info which should get rid of the ??? for that spot [02:24] but some look just like this [02:24] ==2253== by 0xBE8CC3FB: ??? [02:24] and just a mem address isn't very helpful [02:25] mhall119: i GOT IT TO WORK [02:25] oops caps [02:25] .. [02:27] bschaefer: obviously it isn't running your version from shource [02:28] bschaefer: or you didn't compile with debug info [02:28] thumper, yeah, but that is the cause of the question marks? [02:31] bschaefer: valgrind can't find the debug info [02:31] thumper, alright, just want to make sure there wasn't a different cause. There is a lot of info that it puts out :) [02:31] bschaefer: yes there is :) [02:32] mhall119: is there any way to make the definitions open externally? [02:32] thumper, also have you taken a look at the update from the branch yesterday? I fixed a few loops in that file to use range based for loops [02:34] thumper, it really isn't a priority but curious if I was doing the range base for loops correctly; and that is such a better way to iterate through STL containers then the previous way! [02:36] bschaefer: for (auto it : _inner_main) [02:36] bschaefer: it isn't really an iterator any more [02:36] bschaefer: it is a reference to the item in the iterator [02:36] yeah...I should use a different name [02:36] bschaefer: so... for (auto icon : _inter_main) [02:37] bschaefer: a bit more of an issue when there is a param called icon [02:37] bschaefer: so you need a meaningful name [02:38] thumper, can you turn an arbitrary reference back into an iterator? One function was return an iterator so I didn't change that [02:38] bschaefer: no you can't [02:38] bschaefer: which one? [02:38] FloatingGoat: \o/ [02:38] FloatingGoat: what do yu mean open externally? [02:38] in something other than gnome-dictionary? [02:39] thumper, LauncherModel::at [02:39] mhall119: hmm [02:39] I dont think I have gnome-dictionaary [02:39] bschaefer: sure, leave that one alone [02:39] thumper, alright. Ill make those changes [02:40] FloatingGoat: really? It should be part of the base install [02:41] idk why it wasnt there [02:41] I just installed it [02:41] now this is aweeessommee [02:41] huh, maybe it wasn't part of the default in 11.10... [02:46] thumper, hopefully icon_it sounds good. Though it isn't an actually iterator it is still iterating through all the icons. [02:47] mhall119: thanks for this, should I show other people? [02:48] thumper, and if I really wanted to return an iterator from the list I could keep an int i around and return (_inner.begin() + i); I believe. If it support bi directional it. (wont do it but just a thought) [02:48] FloatingGoat: sure, just make sure they all know it's still pretty early stage [02:48] hmm okay [02:49] as indicated by the 0.1 version number on that .deb [02:49] lol [02:50] btw why do you have the shortcut disabled by default? [02:53] I couldn't think of a good one [02:53] super+d is "show desktop" already [02:55] hmm i think c is fine. [02:55] btw im pretty sure all I had to do was mark the dictionary.lens file as an executable. [02:56] and it worked out [03:03] hmmm, that could be, I'mnot sure what the permissions on .lens files shoudl be [03:28] mhall119: judging by what that one guy said, my idea wouldnt be that easy, would it? [03:41] because a lot of people find that feature in gnome shell useful, and while it is useful I find it too intrusive. [03:44] FloatingGoat: what was your idea? === dyams|away is now known as dyams [03:45] being able to press super and type a response in the event of a chat notification. [03:45] ah, no, that's not what the dash/lenses are form [03:45] are for? [03:46] having a lense that searches empathy and pidgen chat logs, now that would be very useful [03:46] lenses are a way to let a user find something and access it [03:46] not a way for them to respond to messages [03:46] I wish there was though, I find myself switchiing windows too often to get to mah chats. [03:48] FloatingGoat: the message indicator lets you know when you have some [03:48] I have empathy on my launcher in position #6, so I can get to it any time by pressing super+6 [03:50] oh wow you are right I should have thought about that [03:50] but I half dont want empathy to be permanent but I guess ill try it. [03:54] hmm i've never really tried controlling unity from the keyboard til now [03:54] this is real nice [03:58] FloatingGoat: if you make a generic lens (not using singlet) for searching chat history, people can add independend scopes to feed it with results from empathy, pidgin, whatever else [03:59] hmm I could try. [03:59] What about a graphing calculator lense? [04:01] to return graphs? [04:01] again, not really what they're for [04:01] hmm well I got a regular calculator goin here [04:02] FloatingGoat: read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Lenses#Responsibilities_of_a_Lens [04:02] we're working on a better document about what lenses are/should be [04:02] but that should give you a basic idea [04:02] so really, they're a content-specific search interface [04:03] hmm so you dont like it when they are anything else? [04:03] it breaks the user experience that we're trying to create [04:03] the dash is a place to find things, not do things [04:04] when it lets me do things it makes my life easier. [04:06] but it makes the dash more complex and slower to try and allow that [04:08] hmm. Well if you look at it technically. If an equation is graphable then its graph does exist in the real world. So you would technically be trying to find something. [04:10] we don't have a letter of the law here, so if you break the intent you've pretty much broken the all there is [04:10] nobody is going to say you can't [04:10] just that it's not the kind of thing we wanted the Dash to do [04:16] alright [04:17] does unity have a function for doing? [04:17] it has hooks for searcing and handling an item that's been clicked on [04:18] any "doing" should happen in one of those [04:18] if you want to generate results based on a search, it will be in the search handler [04:19] if you want to do something with just one of the results of the search, it would be in the activation handler [04:24] alright [04:25] do you know anything about that HIG that canonical was talking about? [04:30] nvm [04:34] im pretty sure that this dictionary lens is the best thing ever [07:59] morning [07:59] saviq: morning [08:00] hey tsdgeos [08:01] hi [08:01] mhall119: I made a vid on how to install your lens [08:02] mhall119: im going to post it on le youtube [08:19] saviq: one issue with launcher and alt-f1 [08:20] dyams, wassup? [08:20] saviq: toggle the dash with super (show and hide) [08:20] saviq: now press alt-f1 fails to reveal launcher.. [08:21] saviq: but second time pressing aft-f1 will work [08:22] dyams, indeed, it seems to be thinking the launcher has focus, /methinks [08:24] saviq: ok [08:24] Saviq, how fast does 2d dispatch search to lenses after you type something to the search entry? [08:24] Saviq, and btw good morning :) [08:25] mhr3, hey [08:27] mhr3, trying to find out [08:30] mhr3, no timeout that I can see [08:30] oh... interesting [08:32] mhr3, every change in the search entry results in a search being performed [08:34] somehow my 2d is crashing all the time :/ [08:35] mhr3: unity-2d-places? [08:35] dyams, no, panel [08:37] dyams, oh, nevermind it is places actually [08:37] mhr3: ah.. [08:38] mhr3: update from daily ppa. [08:58] dyams: answered your comments at https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity-2d/unity-2d_test_alt_f2_pops_dash/+merge/89873 not sure if they make you happy [08:59] Hello [08:59] I'm testing HUD in eclipse in my daily work and recorded some strange behaviors [09:00] where can i save the video and report them [09:00] ? [09:03] tsdgeos: I see...one sec...in meeeting [09:04] dyams: sure, no hurries [09:09] tsdgeos, "./launcher/autohide_show_tests.rb:33: warning: already initialized constant WIDTH" - ideas? [09:10] nope [09:10] * tsdgeos checks [09:10] ah yes [09:10] i think gerry moved that to run_tests.rb ? [09:10] Saviq: is that on -shell ? [09:10] tsdgeos, yes, merging into -shell [09:11] ok, no he did not move anything :D [09:11] ;) [09:12] does that happen in non-shell too? [09:12] maybe ./always_visible_tests.rb:33 "overlaps" with ./autohide_show_tests.rb:33 ? [09:12] yeah might be [09:13] find it weird though [09:13] yeah that would make sense [09:13] we need LAUNCHER_WIDTH abstracted anyway [09:13] hey greyback [09:14] Saviq: morning. [09:15] nerochiaro: ping [09:15] greyback, I'm merging trunk into shell, getting http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/816242/ - doesn't look like a "proper" failure? [09:16] tsdgeos: yes ? [09:16] hi all! what's the expected behavior when i press the super key with an application menu opened? [09:16] right now it does nothing, maybe it's supposed to close the menu and open the dash? [09:17] nerochiaro: you have "When dash is active, pressing 'Super+S' to invoke spread is getting 's' character being entered in Dash search box" assigned to you in the kanban, want me to have a look? Or you started already? [09:17] tsdgeos: didn't start, if you're not busy with anything else feel free to have a look [09:17] Saviq: why the nested verifys ? [09:18] nerochiaro: you verify that something will not happen in 2 seconds [09:18] Saviq: object expected? that test works in non-shell afair [09:19] Saviq: yep, looks like a proper fail. launcher must hide after clicking bfb twice [09:19] greyback, the failure message is cryptic, though? [09:20] wait [09:20] no launcher should not hide when clicking the bfb twice [09:20] the mouse is still over the launcher [09:20] why should it hide? [09:20] Saviq: agreed. Which is why it took me 4 minutes, in my semi-woken & head-ached state :) [09:20] greyback, :) [09:20] tsdgeos: it shouldn't [09:21] greyback: you said " launcher must hide after clicking bfb twice" [09:21] tsdgeos: yep, that is what I suspect is happening (badly phrased, sorry) [09:21] ah [09:21] and now the test passed [09:22] nerochiaro: tsdgoes: toggle the dash with super (show and hide) [09:22] saviq: now press alt-f1 fails to reveal launcher.. [09:22] saviq: but second time pressing aft-f1 will work [09:22] tsdgeos, and indeed the WIDTH must be conflicting from always_visible [09:22] Saviq: weird [09:22] Saviq: what happened for it to pass, nothing? [09:23] and now it failed again [09:23] saviq: nerochiaro: greyback: tsdgoes: Gentle Reminder - we should discuss about multi monitor - shell today. [09:23] Saviq: you're watching it, is the UI acting the same? [09:24] dyams, yeah, we need Kaleo for that, too [09:24] greyback, trying a manual test [09:24] kaleo: pls let us know when you are available [09:24] saviq: true [09:25] dyams: include Kaleo too. can you please organize a time that's good for everyone involved ? [09:26] nerochiaro: yes, lets do it immediately after the shell stand up. [09:26] dyams: works for me. hope it's not too late [09:26] kaleo: saviq: nerochiaro: greyback: tsdgoes: Is that good for you all [09:26] good for me [09:26] me too [09:27] dyams, yup, fine for me [09:27] kaleo: (?) ping [09:27] yes [09:27] good for me [09:28] kaleo: saviq: nerochiaro: greyback: tsdgoes: Ok, we will extend the today's 'shell - start up' little bit more then. [09:28] dyams, re tests file naming - we can always move them around later [09:29] as we only have two tests now, they might just as well sit in places-tests [09:30] saviq: no prob [09:31] Saviq: can you note that in the MR so it shows we "solved" all the issues dyams? Or want me to do it? [09:31] tsdgeos, just do it [09:31] ok [09:32] done [09:32] Saviq: any progress with that random failing test? [09:32] tsdgeos, still failing randomly [09:32] depends what you call progress [09:32] it didn't fail when I only run this one [09:32] :-/ [09:32] in, like, 20 tries [09:32] aha [09:33] but if I run the autohide_show suite [09:33] then one out of 2-3 times it will fail [09:33] the behavior when trying manually is correct, though [09:33] seems we carry on some weird state? [09:36] yeah trying some more things, too [09:36] greyback: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-2d-team/unity-2d/filter-option-compact-shell/+merge/89874 [09:36] saviq: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-2d-team/unity-2d/update-launcher-pips-shell/+merge/89679 [09:37] dyams, thanks [09:37] saviq: greyback: i have updated them again. check it once pls [09:40] dyams: can you do a write up of what the status and questions are around the multi monitor work? [09:42] Kaleo: I just started it yesterday, do segregate the shell stuff [09:43] dyams: will do [09:44] kaleo: Earlier when launcher and shell were separate applications [09:44] kaleo: i worked on multi monitor stuff already [09:44] dyams: I meant, not an IRC write up [09:44] dyams: :) [09:45] kaleo: :) Ok [09:45] greyback: can I get https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity-2d/unity-2d_test_alt_f2_pops_dash/+merge/89873 merged? I'd like to do more places tests and put them in that very same file [09:46] dyams, please also describe the target for 12.04 [09:46] saviq: lemme check [09:46] tsdgeos: ok [09:46] target as in: what needs to be done [09:47] saviq: ah..I'll [09:47] saviq: did you check this gdoc already? [09:47] nope, no gdoc I saw [09:48] saviq: UX spec i mean [09:48] saviq: http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/unity-multi-monitor-interactions/ [09:48] greyback: nice, thanks [09:48] tsdgeos: np [09:48] greyback: to change dconf settings from a test do you have any special way or do i just use the cmd line tool ? [09:49] dyams, I _think_ I saw it, not that I analyzed it enough to know what needs to be done [09:49] dyams: [09:49] oops, ignore that ^^ [09:49] nerochiaro, `gsettings get/set` is what's used now [09:49] nerochiaro: no special way [09:50] dyams, I assume you read that already, so you can distill for us what we need to support? [09:50] dyams: please make up a GDoc with a bullet point summary of the tasks that need to be done, based on the UX spec. That way we'll have an item-by-item discussion on what do to [09:50] dyams: and also save us digesting that whole spec [09:51] greyback: OK [09:52] greyback: lets take it piece by piece... [09:52] dyams: share it so we can all edit it. We'll be adding notes as the discussion progresses [09:53] dyams: and when we're done, it'll be a guide to follow to completion of the task [09:53] greyback: ok [09:53] greyback: agreed === dyams is now known as dyams|lunch [10:03] greyback: so the final work on tests that require changing something like the screen resolution is that we run them only with the current resolution and check we do the right thing for that resolution, right ? [10:03] s/work/word [10:04] nerochiaro: yes [10:04] nerochiaro: I see no easy elegant solution to that problem right now [10:04] greyback: ok === dyams|lunch is now known as dyams [10:27] hi, I'm looking for someone from unity development team. thanks [10:29] ideaguy, see the channel name? I'd say you're in the right place :) [10:30] but probably not every1 is actually involved in unity, e.g. I'm just a user and want to ask a question [10:31] there's one feature that I extremely lack in unity (and lots of my collegues) and I was worndering if such feature shall be developed === mpt_ is now known as mpt [10:33] more precisely - switching between windows of the same application using alt-"~" is very unconfortable. It's very hard to get to the right window. While other UI's have simple switching option with moving mouse on the icon of the application and then it shows a (small or medium) list of open instances (windows) of that application. My question: shall such feature appear in unityt, 12.04 maybe ? [10:37] nerochiaro: ping [10:37] tsdgeos: yes ? [10:37] nerochiaro: are you aware -shell kills dragging? [10:38] tsdgeos: dragging of what to where ? but yes, now that you mention it i wouldn't be surprised [10:38] nerochiaro: at least inside kmail, might be a kmail "bug", can't repro it in any other program [10:38] tsdgeos: can you drag icons from desktop to launcher ? [10:38] tsdgeos: and stuff from dash to launcher [10:39] i don't have "a desktop" [10:39]