snap-l | Yay for updates that require reboots. :) | 00:48 |
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snap-l | Wow, might have another interview for OMC | 12:18 |
snap-l | on top of the one scheduled for tomrrow, and the one that I might have, were Jono able to get back with me. | 12:18 |
rick_h | snap-l: awesome | 12:31 |
rick_h | and morning and all that | 12:35 |
snap-l | MOrning. :) | 12:37 |
rick_h | Blazeix: lmorchard snap-l smoser widox reminder that CHC is LONG edition tonight 7pm | 12:39 |
snap-l | rick_h: Thanks! | 13:04 |
Wolfger | morning | 13:23 |
Wolfger | snap-l: interview? Trying to turn $NEW_JOB into $OLD_JOB already? | 13:23 |
brousch | eh? what'd i miss? | 13:33 |
rick_h | Wolfger: I think it's an OMC interview | 13:33 |
brousch | Some of you are Android devs, right? | 13:37 |
rick_h | krondor has messed with it some | 13:39 |
rick_h | I've looked, but not made anything | 13:40 |
* rick_h looks at the android book on the shelf | 13:40 | |
mydogsnameisrudy | sudo apt-get remove -- purge Obama.gov | 13:44 |
snap-l | Wolfger: OMC = Open Metalcast | 13:48 |
Wolfger | ah, ok. Now that I know what OMC says, it all makes sense. :-) | 13:53 |
Wolfger | s/says/is/... I need more sleep :-P | 14:01 |
snap-l | heh. :) | 14:03 |
snap-l | OK, I need to be smacked. | 14:12 |
snap-l | http://paste.mitechie.com/show/iPIhYgNIg409vrOnbxKj/ | 14:12 |
widox | rick_h: yay | 14:26 |
widox | just realized yesterday its the long edition | 14:26 |
Blazeix | snap-l: ow | 14:56 |
Blazeix | that joke is painful | 14:56 |
snap-l | Blazeix: ;) | 14:56 |
_stink_ | brousch: ColonelPanic001 is an android dev. | 15:00 |
ColonelPanic001 | wat | 15:00 |
ColonelPanic001 | I build androids | 15:00 |
_stink_ | bleep blorp | 15:01 |
brousch | http://anyvite.com/events/home/i5tavfrze2 | 15:01 |
ColonelPanic001 | why have I been summoned? | 15:02 |
ColonelPanic001 | doth someone seek android knowledge? | 15:02 |
ColonelPanic001 | I read "Rapidsparts" as "RapidSharts" | 15:02 |
Blazeix | brousch: you have three questions, and three questions only. choose wisely. | 15:02 |
_stink_ | you don't open all links that brousch posts? | 15:02 |
_stink_ | ColonelPanic001: --^ | 15:02 |
ColonelPanic001 | I rarely open links posted in IRC | 15:02 |
ColonelPanic001 | I'm at work and stuff | 15:03 |
_stink_ | silly | 15:03 |
_stink_ | you can trust brousch | 15:03 |
ColonelPanic001 | NEVER | 15:03 |
brousch | hah | 15:03 |
snap-l | I trust him like I trust the imgurl posts in #rgvc | 15:03 |
ColonelPanic001 | ah. this sounds interesting, but it's in Grand Rapids. | 15:03 |
snap-l | ie: trust them to not be safe for work. | 15:03 |
brousch | of course it is. we have all the good stuff | 15:03 |
ColonelPanic001 | and I have dinner with my parents this friday | 15:03 |
brousch | blow them off | 15:04 |
brousch | what have they done for you? | 15:04 |
snap-l | (lately) | 15:04 |
ColonelPanic001 | I'd consider going otherwise though, this actually is something I'd like to learn. Not that I can't just read the docs, but all the same | 15:04 |
ColonelPanic001 | good point | 15:04 |
ColonelPanic001 | it's also a 3 hour drive, sayeth Google | 15:05 |
brousch | maybe 2.5 since it's right off I96 | 15:05 |
ColonelPanic001 | unless that event comes with sexual favors, I'm not driving 2.5 hours each way | 15:05 |
brousch | no wandering through town | 15:05 |
snap-l | ColonelPanic001: Ask brousch after the meeting for those | 15:06 |
snap-l | ;) | 15:06 |
brousch | is that what your parents are giving you?! | 15:06 |
_stink_ | /join #ubuntu-us-mi-favors | 15:06 |
ColonelPanic001 | no, but my parents are 2.5 hours away | 15:06 |
ColonelPanic001 | that is a channel that needs to be joined | 15:06 |
snap-l | brousch: I believe ColonelPanic001 is the result of sexual favors. | 15:06 |
_stink_ | :O | 15:06 |
ColonelPanic001 | presumably. | 15:06 |
snap-l | God bless the internet. | 15:08 |
* snap-l is listening to some metal that will be in a future episode | 15:08 | |
snap-l | Club Metal, likely | 15:08 |
brousch | i know it's a long shot. i just wanted to make sure you east siders saw it. krondor usually sees my g+ posts | 15:08 |
snap-l | but it's not industrial | 15:08 |
snap-l | More like The 69 Eyes | 15:08 |
snap-l | GrimFaith - Hearts and Engines (on Jamendo) | 15:13 |
rick_h | @#$#@ did crockford just invent doctests for JS? https://github.com/douglascrockford/JSDev/ | 15:52 |
snap-l | rick_h: Looks that way. ;) | 15:59 |
rick_h | crockford, <3...but I'm going to b@#$ slap you | 15:59 |
snap-l | phah | 15:59 |
ColonelPanic001 | blow? | 16:01 |
rick_h | sorry, pasted it in the middle of a split | 16:02 |
rick_h | rick_h> @#$#@ did crockford just invent doctests for JS? https://github.com/douglascrockford/JSDev/ | 16:02 |
ColonelPanic001 | @#$#@ is rich princess leia | 16:02 |
ColonelPanic001 | dollar sign for a head, cinnimon bun hair on the sides | 16:02 |
rick_h | !#$@#$@%^ then | 16:03 |
ColonelPanic001 | Now she's just been shot by a storm trooper | 16:03 |
ColonelPanic001 | you jerk | 16:03 |
snap-l | ColonelPanic001: Let the wookie win. ;) | 16:03 |
ColonelPanic001 | good advice | 16:03 |
snap-l | I don't understand the hatred some folks have for Avenged Sevenfold | 16:05 |
brousch | snap-l: seriously? they do $THAT_OBVIOUS_ANNOYING_THING ? | 16:14 |
ColonelPanic001 | I think I listene dto them once or twice. They didn't stand out to me much, but they weren't bad, iirc | 16:19 |
brousch | 90%wa in top means my HD is my bottleneck. right? | 16:28 |
rick_h | ouch, this just took a shot at a couple of start ups http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/01/amazon-ties-in-house-disks-to-cloud-storage-for-backup-and-fast-access.ars | 16:30 |
rick_h | http://www.nasuni.com/ for instance | 16:31 |
snap-l | Hm, wonder what Amazon is calling me about | 16:35 |
snap-l | DIdn't leave a message | 16:35 |
ColonelPanic001 | it wasn't important, then | 16:36 |
ColonelPanic001 | probably just wanted to offer you the job of your dreams | 16:36 |
snap-l | Yeah, nothing big. ;) | 16:36 |
rick_h | hah | 16:37 |
rick_h | they want that ec2 billed paid! | 16:37 |
Blazeix | or amazon, as a company, decided to prank call snap-l. | 16:38 |
snap-l | WOnder if it's for AWS | 16:39 |
ColonelPanic001 | probably just wanted to offer you the job of your dreams | 16:47 |
snap-l | Bah | 16:52 |
Wolfger | "We need a senior Java developer, and your name was given to us." | 17:00 |
rick_h | lol | 17:02 |
* Wolfger makes a note to refer Java headhunters to snap-l | 17:05 | |
Wolfger | jjesse: there was a link the the original G+ posting? Huh. I completely missed that somehow. | 17:07 |
snap-l | Mmmmmmmmm.... leftover brisket from Lockharts. :) | 17:15 |
* rick_h runs over to snap-l's place | 17:16 | |
snap-l | JoDee saw some Japanese BBQ on No Reservations, and had a hankering for BBQ last night | 17:17 |
rick_h | I knew I liked her :) | 17:22 |
snap-l | Nice! Oil Rush is finally out | 17:23 |
snap-l | I'd like to see if that will even run on my computer that already has trouble with the UNigine demos | 17:23 |
snap-l | rick_h: https://github.com/raganwald/homoiconic/blob/master/2011/12/jargon.md#readme | 17:30 |
rick_h | snap-l: I've got that on my screen to read at lunch | 17:30 |
rick_h | :) | 17:30 |
snap-l | Ah | 17:30 |
rick_h | I'm guessing the title is a bit flamebait | 17:30 |
snap-l | IT's not what you think it is. | 17:31 |
rick_h | yea, that's what I figured...oh well. I'm sure it'll get me ready to rant anyway :) | 17:31 |
snap-l | heh | 17:38 |
rick_h | *sigh* coffeescript...I'll refuse you for so long and one day have to write you... | 17:46 |
snap-l | heh | 17:46 |
rick_h | I really want to do more of this: http://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/python-faq | 17:47 |
Blazeix | hm, so is heroku completely free for low usage? that's pretty awesome | 17:57 |
rick_h | Blazeix: yea, exactly. And can run simple .wsgi apps really easily | 17:57 |
rick_h | I think I might try to move my pastebin there to play with it | 17:57 |
rick_h | but it's pgsql only, so my sqlite db of things would go boom | 17:58 |
rick_h | and wonder if PIL and such will work there | 17:58 |
rick_h | and then you can use: http://addons.heroku.com/ | 17:59 |
rick_h | anyway, I love the idea of app engine, but heroku seems more of an app engine idea I can get behind | 17:59 |
Blazeix | hm, 5MB db only in the free version, that's a bit rough | 17:59 |
rick_h | yea | 17:59 |
Blazeix | but for free I shouldn't complain | 17:59 |
rick_h | right :/ | 18:00 |
rick_h | it'd be sweet if I could get bookie to run there, but with all the special dependencies and the whoosh fulltext indexing it's not close to able to run | 18:02 |
snap-l | What's their price? | 18:05 |
* snap-l clicks the friendly Pricing link | 18:05 | |
snap-l | WOw, that gets expensive for home use quick. | 18:06 |
rick_h | how so? | 18:07 |
snap-l | It's kinda confusing | 18:07 |
brousch | how does their free teir compare to GAE? | 18:07 |
rick_h | yea, it is | 18:08 |
rick_h | but anything cloud like that is | 18:08 |
rick_h | see recent crazy stuff with AE | 18:08 |
rick_h | brousch: basically the free stuff is a single cpu + 5mb of db | 18:08 |
brousch | 5MB? that's like 1 record | 18:08 |
rick_h | lol | 18:09 |
brousch | i store all my data as TIFFs | 18:10 |
rick_h | brousch: heh, then that's not a record, that's a file | 18:10 |
rick_h | and yea, no local files stored | 18:10 |
rick_h | so you'd probably not run that app there | 18:10 |
brousch | a tiff stored in the DB | 18:10 |
rick_h | booooooooooo | 18:10 |
brousch | the biggest problem with GAE is the nosql DB. if heroku has a real DB that would be a big advantage | 18:11 |
brousch | actually, 5MB would work well for the GRPUG web site. i should try it | 18:12 |
rick_h | brousch: yea, pgsql by default, with add ons for mysql, redis, mongo | 18:12 |
jrwren | heroku <3 | 18:35 |
brousch | hm, now i'm not so sure about it | 18:37 |
brousch | jrwren is always on the opposite side of what i <3 | 18:37 |
jrwren | really? | 18:38 |
jrwren | i thought we were agreeing. | 18:38 |
brousch | apple, ruby, dotnet | 18:38 |
snap-l | rick_h: Book club? | 18:40 |
snap-l | like book of the month club? | 18:40 |
snap-l | or Oprah's Book Club. ;) | 18:40 |
rick_h | snap-l: yea, talk of a canonical book club which seems interesting since I'm cranking through a few fiction books a month right now | 18:40 |
snap-l | Nice! | 18:41 |
jrwren | apple, ruby, dotnet via mono, I all <3 | 18:42 |
jrwren | i'm jealous. I've not made time for fiction in a while. | 18:43 |
rick_h | yea, I've gone the other way, I've not read much tech but tons of fiction the last few months | 18:43 |
rick_h | nice to take the break | 18:43 |
brousch | your skills are stagnating! | 18:44 |
rick_h | yea, well it's been good though. lots of fiction and having fun, but also been getting lots of code written lately | 18:45 |
rick_h | and now I'm reading a book on Make...so I'm now doomed | 18:45 |
Blazeix | you should switch all over canonical from make to mk. | 18:47 |
Blazeix | s/over canonical/of canonical over/ | 18:47 |
rick_h | dude, remind me at CHC to show you the LP make file tonight | 18:47 |
rick_h | that's part of the problem "Let's learn how this works by looking at this giant monstrosity of an example" | 18:47 |
rick_h | at least I know wtf PHONY means now | 18:47 |
Blazeix | hah, i've seen that word before. | 18:48 |
Blazeix | i can do the hello world of make files, but that's about it. | 18:48 |
jrwren | what fiction you reading? | 18:52 |
snap-l | He's reading something JoDee is reading (Pandora's Star) | 18:52 |
jrwren | by whom? | 18:52 |
snap-l | Peter F. Hamilton | 18:53 |
rick_h | http://www.goodreads.com/review/list/6943667-mitechie?shelf=currently-reading does that load? | 18:53 |
rick_h | http://www.goodreads.com/review/list/6943667-mitechie?shelf=read | 18:53 |
Wolfger | current fiction read: Making Money by Terry Pratchett | 19:20 |
Wolfger | it took getting a Kindle for me to feel sufficient shame about my dead tree books I never read to actually start reading them. | 19:21 |
snap-l | heh | 19:22 |
Wolfger | Read a few things on the kindle to get back in the reading habit, now I plan to switch between eBook and paperback until I've read the stack of unread books on my dresser | 19:22 |
Wolfger | if only I could trade the paper in for their ebook equivalents... | 19:24 |
Wolfger | "Look here. I bought your book, now I'd like to exchange it for this version that costs you virtually nothing to make me a copy of. You can even have the old one back and resell it." | 19:25 |
rick_h | some oreilly stuff you can "upgrade" to get a digital copy for $5 | 19:25 |
Wolfger | le sigh | 19:25 |
Wolfger | Yeah, that's better than most publishers will do | 19:26 |
snap-l | press will let you upgrade for $10 | 19:26 |
snap-l | Apress | 19:26 |
Wolfger | $10 is more than I spend on a book in the first place (still talking fiction) | 19:26 |
snap-l | Which is also why they're my first stop whenever I'm looking for a book on a particular topic | 19:27 |
snap-l | Wolfger: Yeah, there's no way around it | 19:27 |
snap-l | at least not currently | 19:27 |
snap-l | What disgusts me is when publishers price their material at hardback levels | 19:27 |
snap-l | $24.99 for an eBook that I can't sell afterward is way too much | 19:28 |
Wolfger | Oh wow. I just learned there was a made-for-TV movie of Going Postal. I'll have to see if I can find that | 19:28 |
Wolfger | Yeah, I won't pay hardcover prices for an ebook. That's just silly. | 19:29 |
Wolfger | I'll sooner not read your story and tell you why. | 19:29 |
Wolfger | still looking forward to the movie version of Wee Free Men | 19:30 |
Wolfger | hoping they don't turn them into smurfs | 19:30 |
snap-l | I'm looking for the movie version of The Decline And Fall of the Roman Empire. ;) | 19:30 |
snap-l | Or Pac Man: The Movie | 19:31 |
Wolfger | They're turning Asteroids into a movie, so (sad to say) Pac Man is likely your best bet. | 19:32 |
snap-l | Yeah, which is about as braindead as they come | 19:32 |
Wolfger | Doom. Street Fighter. Has there ever been a good, or even decent, video game movie? | 19:34 |
Wolfger | I'm betting "no", yet they keep making more. | 19:34 |
snap-l | Mortal Kombat was decent | 19:34 |
snap-l | not fantastic, but decent | 19:34 |
snap-l | but that's mostly because the game had a backstory outside of "you meet, you fight" | 19:35 |
Wolfger | I need to talk to a Hollywood producer, immediately. | 19:36 |
snap-l | Uh huh | 19:36 |
Wolfger | No more comic book movies or video game movies. The wave of the future is pinball movies. | 19:36 |
Wolfger | Black Knight | 19:36 |
snap-l | Jackbot | 19:36 |
snap-l | Pinbot | 19:36 |
snap-l | No Good Gophers | 19:37 |
snap-l | Oh, even better: Addams Family and Twilight ZOne. Those would be good pinball movies. ;) | 19:37 |
Wolfger | The one that showed the alligator in the fishing boat, whatever that was called | 19:37 |
Wolfger | Those were movie pinballs. You're working the wrong direction there. | 19:37 |
snap-l | No, I'm being an ass | 19:38 |
Wolfger | I'm being polite | 19:38 |
Wolfger | sad that as much as I loved pinball games, the only name I can remember is Black Knight. And, of course, Black Knight 2000 | 19:38 |
Wolfger | back when 2000 was still the future | 19:39 |
snap-l | I love pinball | 19:40 |
snap-l | ex-friend had a bunch of machines | 19:40 |
snap-l | some machines I hadn't heard of before (Did you know Capcom made pinball machines?) | 19:41 |
jjesse | is there a good android pinball app? | 19:42 |
brousch | i kept windows nt around for years just for the pinball | 19:43 |
snap-l | PInball Hall of Fame is pretty good for console pinball | 19:44 |
snap-l | I like the Wii versions | 19:44 |
snap-l | Especially the Williams collection | 19:44 |
snap-l | Gottleib collection is decent as well, but there's a lot of games that I don't recognize | 19:45 |
snap-l | I think they had a version for iPhone, but not sure re: Android | 19:45 |
Wolfger | blasphemers! | 19:46 |
Wolfger | there's no such thing as "a good pinball app" | 19:46 |
Wolfger | pinball needs to be a physical game | 19:46 |
snap-l | Wolfger: I agree, but reality is you're not going to spend the $$ for a real table | 19:47 |
snap-l | and store it | 19:47 |
snap-l | I find the simulations that use an LCD screen to be fascinating | 19:47 |
Wolfger | with analog flippers where you can feel the ball hit, and let off a little bit to cushion the landing | 19:47 |
Wolfger | snap-l: the only real obstacle is storage space | 19:48 |
krondor | jjesse: http://www.androidguys.com/2011/04/19/pinball-apps-android/ | 19:48 |
Wolfger | I would totally buy a pinball game if I had room to put it | 19:48 |
snap-l | Wolfger: They're like chips: you can't have just one. | 19:49 |
Wolfger | all I need is Black Knight | 19:51 |
snap-l | You and everyone else. ;) | 19:51 |
Wolfger | that got me through 3 years of college | 19:51 |
snap-l | That's like trying to find a non-repro Ms Pac Man or Galaga | 19:51 |
snap-l | You'll find it, but you won't want to pay for it. :) | 19:52 |
Wolfger | Hmm | 19:52 |
Wolfger | have to admit I haven't shopped | 19:52 |
snap-l | Last I heard, they were ~$1K | 19:52 |
Wolfger | Just need to set it up at $1 per play for the neighborhood kids... | 19:53 |
snap-l | Hah | 19:53 |
Wolfger | They'll probably be all, "What's *that*?" | 19:53 |
snap-l | kids don't understand pinball | 19:54 |
Wolfger | Need to force feed them some Happy Days | 19:54 |
snap-l | Oh, THAT'LL work | 19:55 |
Wolfger | ROFL | 19:55 |
Wolfger | I mean, uh, correctamundo | 19:55 |
Wolfger | then force feed them some MASH so they'll know why they should care about Tony Packo's | 19:56 |
snap-l | You're killing me here. | 19:57 |
krondor | "You have to use your hands? That's like a baby game!" -- Back to the Future 2 | 20:01 |
rick_h | ok, bookie js building ported over to a make file from fabric | 20:05 |
rick_h | fast, and the ability to only fire if the files have changed is nice | 20:05 |
brousch | isn't that like selling your nissan leaf for a model T? | 20:09 |
rick_h | :) | 20:09 |
Blazeix | fabric isn't actually a build system, though, right? more of automation software? | 20:10 |
rick_h | right | 20:11 |
rick_h | but it's darn handy for creating tasks you run a lot | 20:11 |
rick_h | and that can have deps/code things to occur in pure python | 20:11 |
rick_h | plus ssh/remote execution if you want | 20:11 |
Blazeix | have you looked at the waf build system? it's pythony | 20:13 |
rick_h | no, waf and paver are supposed to be more python builds | 20:13 |
Blazeix | the only reason it's on my radar is because 'waf' are my initials :D | 20:14 |
rick_h | I've looked at paver (written by kevin dangoor of TG fame) | 20:14 |
rick_h | hah | 20:14 |
rick_h | this is more about LP uses Make and so I'm trying to figure it out | 20:14 |
rick_h | either I work with the current giant LP make file, or start small with stuff for bookie | 20:14 |
Blazeix | ah, right | 20:14 |
snap-l | Awesome! My sis-in-law is coming to Penguicon this year | 20:31 |
snap-l | assuming they have the registration / hotel page up soon. ;) | 20:31 |
rick_h | for anyone that knows anything of Make http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9009829/have-make-build-minimize-js-files-that-have-changed | 20:35 |
snap-l | rick_h: How are you invoking? | 20:38 |
rick_h | make | 20:39 |
snap-l | I wonder if the wildcards are messing up make | 20:41 |
snap-l | also, you don't have an all: directive | 20:41 |
rick_h | I'm sure that's some part of it right. I must need to use a make internal variable for it to pick up the files | 20:41 |
rick_h | snap-l: right, don't need it yet | 20:41 |
rick_h | make defaults to running the first item | 20:41 |
rick_h | the first item does all the combining | 20:41 |
rick_h | as it expands I'll do an all, but just extra garbage atm | 20:41 |
snap-l | $(BOOKIE_JS)/y*.js: $(JS_BUILD_PATH)/bookie | 20:44 |
snap-l | I think that might be the rule that's causing it to run all the time | 20:44 |
rick_h | right, I want that rule to only execute for changed files that match | 20:44 |
rick_h | but unsure how to do that | 20:44 |
snap-l | list each of the files. ;) | 20:45 |
rick_h | psh | 20:45 |
snap-l | http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920022886.do?imm_mid=07d33a | 20:49 |
Blazeix | boo jqtouch | 20:49 |
Blazeix | rick_h: floated that question out to some of my make-happy friends, hopefully someone will know the answer | 20:50 |
rick_h | Blazeix: thanks, end of the day it's not a killer | 20:51 |
rick_h | but it's messing with my "understanding" of how things should work | 20:52 |
snap-l | Every now and again Full Disclosure gives me a chuckle: http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2012-January/085363.html | 20:56 |
Blazeix | rick_h: my friend answered your SO post | 21:00 |
rick_h | doh! see I knew I was missing some make-ism. Makes sense | 21:01 |
snap-l | Ah, that's cool | 21:01 |
snap-l | voted up | 21:01 |
rick_h | hah closer, now it just copied all of the files except the one I changed | 21:07 |
snap-l | Awesome. :) | 21:07 |
rick_h | ok, this seems to work | 21:26 |
rick_h | took some extra reorg | 21:26 |
rick_h | http://paste.mitechie.com/show/514/ | 21:26 |
waldo323_ | is chc at 7 today? | 21:31 |
Blazeix | waldo323_: yes | 21:32 |
waldo323_ | thanks | 21:33 |
rick_h | ok, this part is hotness :) http://paste.mitechie.com/show/515/ | 21:48 |
greg-g | rick_h: what is taking care of those runs? | 23:09 |
rick_h | greg-g: what? | 23:35 |
rick_h | greg-g: oh, I'm working on learning make and creating a makefile for some bookie stuff | 23:35 |
rick_h | one of the things I get annoyed with is that in development I run the app, the combo server for js, the sass css generator, and livereload | 23:35 |
rick_h | so turning that into a single make command :) | 23:35 |
greg-g | oh, those are gnumake? interesting | 23:40 |
rick_h | greg-g: yea | 23:41 |
rick_h | we use it for launchpad so I'm diving into actually learning wtf that gnu make magic crap is | 23:41 |
greg-g | cool | 23:42 |
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