[00:48] Yay for updates that require reboots. :) [12:18] Wow, might have another interview for OMC [12:18] on top of the one scheduled for tomrrow, and the one that I might have, were Jono able to get back with me. [12:31] snap-l: awesome [12:35] and morning and all that [12:37] MOrning. :) [12:39] Blazeix: lmorchard snap-l smoser widox reminder that CHC is LONG edition tonight 7pm [13:04] rick_h: Thanks! [13:23] morning [13:23] snap-l: interview? Trying to turn $NEW_JOB into $OLD_JOB already? [13:33] eh? what'd i miss? [13:33] Wolfger: I think it's an OMC interview [13:37] Some of you are Android devs, right? [13:39] krondor has messed with it some [13:40] I've looked, but not made anything [13:40] * rick_h looks at the android book on the shelf [13:44] sudo apt-get remove -- purge Obama.gov [13:48] Wolfger: OMC = Open Metalcast [13:53] ah, ok. Now that I know what OMC says, it all makes sense. :-) [14:01] s/says/is/... I need more sleep :-P [14:03] heh. :) [14:12] OK, I need to be smacked. [14:12] http://paste.mitechie.com/show/iPIhYgNIg409vrOnbxKj/ [14:26] rick_h: yay [14:26] just realized yesterday its the long edition [14:56] snap-l: ow [14:56] that joke is painful [14:56] Blazeix: ;) [15:00] <_stink_> brousch: ColonelPanic001 is an android dev. [15:00] wat [15:00] I build androids [15:01] <_stink_> bleep blorp [15:01] http://anyvite.com/events/home/i5tavfrze2 [15:02] why have I been summoned? [15:02] doth someone seek android knowledge? [15:02] I read "Rapidsparts" as "RapidSharts" [15:02] brousch: you have three questions, and three questions only. choose wisely. [15:02] <_stink_> you don't open all links that brousch posts? [15:02] <_stink_> ColonelPanic001: --^ [15:02] I rarely open links posted in IRC [15:03] I'm at work and stuff [15:03] <_stink_> silly [15:03] <_stink_> you can trust brousch [15:03] NEVER [15:03] hah [15:03] I trust him like I trust the imgurl posts in #rgvc [15:03] ah. this sounds interesting, but it's in Grand Rapids. [15:03] ie: trust them to not be safe for work. [15:03] of course it is. we have all the good stuff [15:03] and I have dinner with my parents this friday [15:04] blow them off [15:04] what have they done for you? [15:04] (lately) [15:04] I'd consider going otherwise though, this actually is something I'd like to learn. Not that I can't just read the docs, but all the same [15:04] good point [15:05] it's also a 3 hour drive, sayeth Google [15:05] maybe 2.5 since it's right off I96 [15:05] unless that event comes with sexual favors, I'm not driving 2.5 hours each way [15:05] no wandering through town [15:06] ColonelPanic001: Ask brousch after the meeting for those [15:06] ;) [15:06] is that what your parents are giving you?! [15:06] <_stink_> /join #ubuntu-us-mi-favors [15:06] no, but my parents are 2.5 hours away [15:06] that is a channel that needs to be joined [15:06] brousch: I believe ColonelPanic001 is the result of sexual favors. [15:06] <_stink_> :O [15:06] presumably. [15:08] God bless the internet. [15:08] * snap-l is listening to some metal that will be in a future episode [15:08] Club Metal, likely [15:08] i know it's a long shot. i just wanted to make sure you east siders saw it. krondor usually sees my g+ posts [15:08] but it's not industrial [15:08] More like The 69 Eyes [15:13] GrimFaith - Hearts and Engines (on Jamendo) [15:52] @#$#@ did crockford just invent doctests for JS? https://github.com/douglascrockford/JSDev/ [15:59] rick_h: Looks that way. ;) [15:59] crockford, <3...but I'm going to b@#$ slap you [15:59] phah [16:01] blow? [16:02] sorry, pasted it in the middle of a split [16:02] rick_h> @#$#@ did crockford just invent doctests for JS? https://github.com/douglascrockford/JSDev/ [16:02] @#$#@ is rich princess leia [16:02] dollar sign for a head, cinnimon bun hair on the sides [16:03] !#$@#$@%^ then [16:03] Now she's just been shot by a storm trooper [16:03] you jerk [16:03] ColonelPanic001: Let the wookie win. ;) [16:03] good advice [16:05] I don't understand the hatred some folks have for Avenged Sevenfold [16:14] snap-l: seriously? they do $THAT_OBVIOUS_ANNOYING_THING ? [16:19] I think I listene dto them once or twice. They didn't stand out to me much, but they weren't bad, iirc [16:28] 90%wa in top means my HD is my bottleneck. right? [16:30] ouch, this just took a shot at a couple of start ups http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/01/amazon-ties-in-house-disks-to-cloud-storage-for-backup-and-fast-access.ars [16:31] http://www.nasuni.com/ for instance [16:35] Hm, wonder what Amazon is calling me about [16:35] DIdn't leave a message [16:36] it wasn't important, then [16:36] probably just wanted to offer you the job of your dreams [16:36] Yeah, nothing big. ;) [16:37] hah [16:37] they want that ec2 billed paid! [16:38] or amazon, as a company, decided to prank call snap-l. [16:39] WOnder if it's for AWS [16:47] probably just wanted to offer you the job of your dreams [16:52] Bah [17:00] "We need a senior Java developer, and your name was given to us." [17:02] lol [17:05] * Wolfger makes a note to refer Java headhunters to snap-l [17:07] jjesse: there was a link the the original G+ posting? Huh. I completely missed that somehow. [17:15] Mmmmmmmmm.... leftover brisket from Lockharts. :) [17:16] * rick_h runs over to snap-l's place [17:17] JoDee saw some Japanese BBQ on No Reservations, and had a hankering for BBQ last night [17:22] I knew I liked her :) [17:23] Nice! Oil Rush is finally out [17:23] I'd like to see if that will even run on my computer that already has trouble with the UNigine demos [17:30] rick_h: https://github.com/raganwald/homoiconic/blob/master/2011/12/jargon.md#readme [17:30] snap-l: I've got that on my screen to read at lunch [17:30] :) [17:30] Ah [17:30] I'm guessing the title is a bit flamebait [17:31] IT's not what you think it is. [17:31] yea, that's what I figured...oh well. I'm sure it'll get me ready to rant anyway :) [17:38] heh [17:46] *sigh* coffeescript...I'll refuse you for so long and one day have to write you... [17:46] heh [17:47] I really want to do more of this: http://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/python-faq [17:57] hm, so is heroku completely free for low usage? that's pretty awesome [17:57] Blazeix: yea, exactly. And can run simple .wsgi apps really easily [17:57] I think I might try to move my pastebin there to play with it [17:58] but it's pgsql only, so my sqlite db of things would go boom [17:58] and wonder if PIL and such will work there [17:59] and then you can use: http://addons.heroku.com/ [17:59] anyway, I love the idea of app engine, but heroku seems more of an app engine idea I can get behind [17:59] hm, 5MB db only in the free version, that's a bit rough [17:59] yea [17:59] but for free I shouldn't complain [18:00] right :/ [18:02] it'd be sweet if I could get bookie to run there, but with all the special dependencies and the whoosh fulltext indexing it's not close to able to run [18:05] What's their price? [18:05] * snap-l clicks the friendly Pricing link [18:06] WOw, that gets expensive for home use quick. [18:07] how so? [18:07] It's kinda confusing [18:07] how does their free teir compare to GAE? [18:08] yea, it is [18:08] but anything cloud like that is [18:08] see recent crazy stuff with AE [18:08] brousch: basically the free stuff is a single cpu + 5mb of db [18:08] 5MB? that's like 1 record [18:09] lol [18:10] i store all my data as TIFFs [18:10] brousch: heh, then that's not a record, that's a file [18:10] and yea, no local files stored [18:10] so you'd probably not run that app there [18:10] a tiff stored in the DB [18:10] booooooooooo [18:11] the biggest problem with GAE is the nosql DB. if heroku has a real DB that would be a big advantage [18:12] actually, 5MB would work well for the GRPUG web site. i should try it [18:12] brousch: yea, pgsql by default, with add ons for mysql, redis, mongo [18:35] heroku <3 [18:37] hm, now i'm not so sure about it [18:37] jrwren is always on the opposite side of what i <3 [18:38] really? [18:38] i thought we were agreeing. [18:38] apple, ruby, dotnet [18:40] rick_h: Book club? [18:40] like book of the month club? [18:40] or Oprah's Book Club. ;) [18:40] snap-l: yea, talk of a canonical book club which seems interesting since I'm cranking through a few fiction books a month right now [18:41] Nice! [18:42] apple, ruby, dotnet via mono, I all <3 [18:43] i'm jealous. I've not made time for fiction in a while. [18:43] yea, I've gone the other way, I've not read much tech but tons of fiction the last few months [18:43] nice to take the break [18:44] your skills are stagnating! [18:45] yea, well it's been good though. lots of fiction and having fun, but also been getting lots of code written lately [18:45] and now I'm reading a book on Make...so I'm now doomed [18:47] you should switch all over canonical from make to mk. [18:47] s/over canonical/of canonical over/ [18:47] dude, remind me at CHC to show you the LP make file tonight [18:47] that's part of the problem "Let's learn how this works by looking at this giant monstrosity of an example" [18:47] at least I know wtf PHONY means now [18:48] hah, i've seen that word before. [18:48] i can do the hello world of make files, but that's about it. [18:52] what fiction you reading? [18:52] He's reading something JoDee is reading (Pandora's Star) [18:52] by whom? [18:53] Peter F. Hamilton [18:53] http://www.goodreads.com/review/list/6943667-mitechie?shelf=currently-reading does that load? [18:53] http://www.goodreads.com/review/list/6943667-mitechie?shelf=read [19:20] current fiction read: Making Money by Terry Pratchett [19:21] it took getting a Kindle for me to feel sufficient shame about my dead tree books I never read to actually start reading them. [19:22] heh [19:22] Read a few things on the kindle to get back in the reading habit, now I plan to switch between eBook and paperback until I've read the stack of unread books on my dresser [19:24] if only I could trade the paper in for their ebook equivalents... [19:25] "Look here. I bought your book, now I'd like to exchange it for this version that costs you virtually nothing to make me a copy of. You can even have the old one back and resell it." [19:25] some oreilly stuff you can "upgrade" to get a digital copy for $5 [19:25] le sigh [19:26] Yeah, that's better than most publishers will do [19:26] press will let you upgrade for $10 [19:26] Apress [19:26] $10 is more than I spend on a book in the first place (still talking fiction) [19:27] Which is also why they're my first stop whenever I'm looking for a book on a particular topic [19:27] Wolfger: Yeah, there's no way around it [19:27] at least not currently [19:27] What disgusts me is when publishers price their material at hardback levels [19:28] $24.99 for an eBook that I can't sell afterward is way too much [19:28] Oh wow. I just learned there was a made-for-TV movie of Going Postal. I'll have to see if I can find that [19:29] Yeah, I won't pay hardcover prices for an ebook. That's just silly. [19:29] I'll sooner not read your story and tell you why. [19:30] still looking forward to the movie version of Wee Free Men [19:30] hoping they don't turn them into smurfs [19:30] I'm looking for the movie version of The Decline And Fall of the Roman Empire. ;) [19:31] Or Pac Man: The Movie [19:32] They're turning Asteroids into a movie, so (sad to say) Pac Man is likely your best bet. [19:32] Yeah, which is about as braindead as they come [19:34] Doom. Street Fighter. Has there ever been a good, or even decent, video game movie? [19:34] I'm betting "no", yet they keep making more. [19:34] Mortal Kombat was decent [19:34] not fantastic, but decent [19:35] but that's mostly because the game had a backstory outside of "you meet, you fight" [19:36] I need to talk to a Hollywood producer, immediately. [19:36] Uh huh [19:36] No more comic book movies or video game movies. The wave of the future is pinball movies. [19:36] Black Knight [19:36] Jackbot [19:36] Pinbot [19:37] No Good Gophers [19:37] Oh, even better: Addams Family and Twilight ZOne. Those would be good pinball movies. ;) [19:37] The one that showed the alligator in the fishing boat, whatever that was called [19:37] Those were movie pinballs. You're working the wrong direction there. [19:38] No, I'm being an ass [19:38] I'm being polite [19:38] sad that as much as I loved pinball games, the only name I can remember is Black Knight. And, of course, Black Knight 2000 [19:39] back when 2000 was still the future [19:40] I love pinball [19:40] ex-friend had a bunch of machines [19:41] some machines I hadn't heard of before (Did you know Capcom made pinball machines?) [19:42] is there a good android pinball app? [19:43] i kept windows nt around for years just for the pinball [19:44] PInball Hall of Fame is pretty good for console pinball [19:44] I like the Wii versions [19:44] Especially the Williams collection [19:45] Gottleib collection is decent as well, but there's a lot of games that I don't recognize [19:45] I think they had a version for iPhone, but not sure re: Android [19:46] blasphemers! [19:46] there's no such thing as "a good pinball app" [19:46] pinball needs to be a physical game [19:47] Wolfger: I agree, but reality is you're not going to spend the $$ for a real table [19:47] and store it [19:47] I find the simulations that use an LCD screen to be fascinating [19:47] with analog flippers where you can feel the ball hit, and let off a little bit to cushion the landing [19:48] snap-l: the only real obstacle is storage space [19:48] jjesse: http://www.androidguys.com/2011/04/19/pinball-apps-android/ [19:48] I would totally buy a pinball game if I had room to put it [19:49] Wolfger: They're like chips: you can't have just one. [19:51] all I need is Black Knight [19:51] You and everyone else. ;) [19:51] that got me through 3 years of college [19:51] That's like trying to find a non-repro Ms Pac Man or Galaga [19:52] You'll find it, but you won't want to pay for it. :) [19:52] Hmm [19:52] have to admit I haven't shopped [19:52] Last I heard, they were ~$1K [19:53] Just need to set it up at $1 per play for the neighborhood kids... [19:53] Hah [19:53] They'll probably be all, "What's *that*?" [19:54] kids don't understand pinball [19:54] Need to force feed them some Happy Days [19:55] Oh, THAT'LL work [19:55] ROFL [19:55] I mean, uh, correctamundo [19:56] then force feed them some MASH so they'll know why they should care about Tony Packo's [19:57] You're killing me here. [20:01] "You have to use your hands? That's like a baby game!" -- Back to the Future 2 [20:05] ok, bookie js building ported over to a make file from fabric [20:05] fast, and the ability to only fire if the files have changed is nice [20:09] isn't that like selling your nissan leaf for a model T? [20:09] :) [20:10] fabric isn't actually a build system, though, right? more of automation software? [20:11] right [20:11] but it's darn handy for creating tasks you run a lot [20:11] and that can have deps/code things to occur in pure python [20:11] plus ssh/remote execution if you want [20:13] have you looked at the waf build system? it's pythony [20:13] no, waf and paver are supposed to be more python builds [20:14] the only reason it's on my radar is because 'waf' are my initials :D [20:14] I've looked at paver (written by kevin dangoor of TG fame) [20:14] hah [20:14] this is more about LP uses Make and so I'm trying to figure it out [20:14] either I work with the current giant LP make file, or start small with stuff for bookie [20:14] ah, right [20:31] Awesome! My sis-in-law is coming to Penguicon this year [20:31] assuming they have the registration / hotel page up soon. ;) [20:35] for anyone that knows anything of Make http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9009829/have-make-build-minimize-js-files-that-have-changed [20:38] rick_h: How are you invoking? [20:39] make [20:41] I wonder if the wildcards are messing up make [20:41] also, you don't have an all: directive [20:41] I'm sure that's some part of it right. I must need to use a make internal variable for it to pick up the files [20:41] snap-l: right, don't need it yet [20:41] make defaults to running the first item [20:41] the first item does all the combining [20:41] as it expands I'll do an all, but just extra garbage atm [20:44] $(BOOKIE_JS)/y*.js: $(JS_BUILD_PATH)/bookie [20:44] I think that might be the rule that's causing it to run all the time [20:44] right, I want that rule to only execute for changed files that match [20:44] but unsure how to do that [20:45] list each of the files. ;) [20:45] psh [20:49] http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920022886.do?imm_mid=07d33a [20:49] boo jqtouch [20:50] rick_h: floated that question out to some of my make-happy friends, hopefully someone will know the answer [20:51] Blazeix: thanks, end of the day it's not a killer [20:52] but it's messing with my "understanding" of how things should work [20:56] Every now and again Full Disclosure gives me a chuckle: http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2012-January/085363.html [21:00] rick_h: my friend answered your SO post [21:01] doh! see I knew I was missing some make-ism. Makes sense [21:01] Ah, that's cool [21:01] voted up [21:07] hah closer, now it just copied all of the files except the one I changed [21:07] Awesome. :) [21:26] ok, this seems to work [21:26] took some extra reorg [21:26] http://paste.mitechie.com/show/514/ [21:31] is chc at 7 today? [21:32] waldo323_: yes [21:33] thanks [21:48] ok, this part is hotness :) http://paste.mitechie.com/show/515/ [23:09] rick_h: what is taking care of those runs? [23:35] greg-g: what? [23:35] greg-g: oh, I'm working on learning make and creating a makefile for some bookie stuff [23:35] one of the things I get annoyed with is that in development I run the app, the combo server for js, the sass css generator, and livereload [23:35] so turning that into a single make command :) [23:40] oh, those are gnumake? interesting [23:41] greg-g: yea [23:41] we use it for launchpad so I'm diving into actually learning wtf that gnu make magic crap is [23:42] cool