[00:48] <snap-l> Yay for updates that require reboots. :)
[12:18] <snap-l> Wow,  might have another interview for OMC
[12:18] <snap-l> on top of the one scheduled for tomrrow, and the one that I might have, were Jono able to get back with me.
[12:31] <rick_h> snap-l: awesome
[12:35] <rick_h> and morning and all that
[12:37] <snap-l> MOrning. :)
[12:39] <rick_h> Blazeix: lmorchard snap-l smoser widox reminder that CHC is LONG edition tonight 7pm
[13:04] <snap-l> rick_h: Thanks!
[13:23] <Wolfger> morning
[13:23] <Wolfger> snap-l: interview? Trying to turn $NEW_JOB into $OLD_JOB already?
[13:33] <brousch> eh? what'd i miss?
[13:33] <rick_h> Wolfger: I think it's an OMC interview
[13:37] <brousch> Some of you are Android devs, right?
[13:39] <rick_h> krondor has messed with it some
[13:40] <rick_h> I've looked, but not made anything
[13:40]  * rick_h looks at the android book on the shelf
[13:44] <mydogsnameisrudy> sudo apt-get remove -- purge Obama.gov
[13:48] <snap-l> Wolfger: OMC = Open Metalcast
[13:53] <Wolfger> ah, ok. Now that I know what OMC says, it all makes sense. :-)
[14:01] <Wolfger> s/says/is/... I need more sleep :-P
[14:03] <snap-l> heh. :)
[14:12] <snap-l> OK, I need to be smacked.
[14:12] <snap-l> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/iPIhYgNIg409vrOnbxKj/
[14:26] <widox> rick_h: yay
[14:26] <widox> just realized yesterday its the long edition
[14:56] <Blazeix> snap-l: ow
[14:56] <Blazeix> that joke is painful
[14:56] <snap-l> Blazeix: ;)
[15:00] <_stink_> brousch: ColonelPanic001 is an android dev.
[15:00] <ColonelPanic001> wat
[15:00] <ColonelPanic001> I build androids
[15:01] <_stink_> bleep blorp
[15:01] <brousch> http://anyvite.com/events/home/i5tavfrze2
[15:02] <ColonelPanic001> why have I been summoned?
[15:02] <ColonelPanic001> doth someone seek android knowledge?
[15:02] <ColonelPanic001> I read "Rapidsparts" as "RapidSharts"
[15:02] <Blazeix> brousch: you have three questions, and three questions only. choose wisely.
[15:02] <_stink_> you don't open all links that brousch posts?
[15:02] <_stink_> ColonelPanic001: --^
[15:02] <ColonelPanic001> I rarely open links posted in IRC
[15:03] <ColonelPanic001> I'm at work and stuff
[15:03] <_stink_> silly
[15:03] <_stink_> you can trust brousch
[15:03] <ColonelPanic001> NEVER
[15:03] <brousch> hah
[15:03] <snap-l> I trust him like I trust the imgurl posts in #rgvc
[15:03] <ColonelPanic001> ah. this sounds interesting, but it's in Grand Rapids.
[15:03] <snap-l> ie: trust them to not be safe for work.
[15:03] <brousch> of course it is. we have all the good stuff
[15:03] <ColonelPanic001> and I have dinner with my parents this friday
[15:04] <brousch> blow them off
[15:04] <brousch> what have they done for you?
[15:04] <snap-l> (lately)
[15:04] <ColonelPanic001> I'd consider going otherwise though, this actually is something I'd like to learn. Not that I can't just read the docs, but all the same
[15:04] <ColonelPanic001> good point
[15:05] <ColonelPanic001> it's also a 3 hour drive, sayeth Google
[15:05] <brousch> maybe 2.5 since it's right off I96
[15:05] <ColonelPanic001> unless that event comes with sexual favors, I'm not driving 2.5 hours each way
[15:05] <brousch> no wandering through town
[15:06] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: Ask brousch after the meeting for those
[15:06] <snap-l> ;)
[15:06] <brousch> is that what your parents are giving you?!
[15:06] <_stink_>  /join #ubuntu-us-mi-favors
[15:06] <ColonelPanic001> no, but my parents are 2.5 hours away
[15:06] <ColonelPanic001> that is a channel that needs to be joined
[15:06] <snap-l> brousch: I believe ColonelPanic001 is the result of sexual favors.
[15:06] <_stink_> :O
[15:06] <ColonelPanic001> presumably.
[15:08] <snap-l> God bless the internet.
[15:08]  * snap-l is listening to some metal that will be in a future episode
[15:08] <snap-l> Club Metal, likely
[15:08] <brousch> i know it's a long shot. i just wanted to make sure you east siders saw it. krondor usually sees my g+ posts
[15:08] <snap-l> but it's not industrial
[15:08] <snap-l> More like The 69 Eyes
[15:13] <snap-l> GrimFaith - Hearts and Engines (on Jamendo)
[15:52] <rick_h> @#$#@ did crockford just invent doctests for JS? https://github.com/douglascrockford/JSDev/
[15:59] <snap-l> rick_h: Looks that way. ;)
[15:59] <rick_h> crockford, <3...but I'm going to b@#$ slap you
[15:59] <snap-l> phah
[16:01] <ColonelPanic001> blow?
[16:02] <rick_h> sorry, pasted it in the middle of a split
[16:02] <rick_h> rick_h> @#$#@ did crockford just invent doctests for JS?  https://github.com/douglascrockford/JSDev/
[16:02] <ColonelPanic001> @#$#@ is rich princess leia
[16:02] <ColonelPanic001> dollar sign for a head, cinnimon bun hair on the sides
[16:03] <rick_h> !#$@#$@%^ then
[16:03] <ColonelPanic001> Now she's just been shot by a storm trooper
[16:03] <ColonelPanic001> you jerk
[16:03] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: Let the wookie win. ;)
[16:03] <ColonelPanic001> good advice
[16:05] <snap-l> I don't understand the hatred some folks have for Avenged Sevenfold
[16:14] <brousch> snap-l: seriously? they do $THAT_OBVIOUS_ANNOYING_THING ?
[16:19] <ColonelPanic001> I think I listene dto them once or twice. They didn't stand out to me much, but they weren't bad, iirc
[16:28] <brousch> 90%wa in top means my HD is my bottleneck. right?
[16:30] <rick_h> ouch, this just took a shot at a couple of start ups http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/01/amazon-ties-in-house-disks-to-cloud-storage-for-backup-and-fast-access.ars
[16:31] <rick_h> http://www.nasuni.com/ for instance
[16:35] <snap-l> Hm, wonder what Amazon is calling me about
[16:35] <snap-l> DIdn't leave a message
[16:36] <ColonelPanic001> it wasn't important, then
[16:36] <ColonelPanic001> probably just wanted to offer you the job of your dreams
[16:36] <snap-l> Yeah, nothing big. ;)
[16:37] <rick_h> hah
[16:37] <rick_h> they want that ec2 billed paid!
[16:38] <Blazeix> or amazon, as a company, decided to prank call snap-l.
[16:39] <snap-l> WOnder if it's for AWS
[16:47] <ColonelPanic001> probably just wanted to offer you the job of your dreams
[16:52] <snap-l> Bah
[17:00] <Wolfger> "We need a senior Java developer, and your name was given to us."
[17:02] <rick_h> lol
[17:05]  * Wolfger makes a note to refer Java headhunters to snap-l
[17:07] <Wolfger> jjesse: there was a link the the original G+ posting? Huh. I completely missed that somehow.
[17:15] <snap-l> Mmmmmmmmm.... leftover brisket from Lockharts. :)
[17:16]  * rick_h runs over to snap-l's place
[17:17] <snap-l> JoDee saw some Japanese BBQ on No Reservations, and had a hankering for BBQ last night
[17:22] <rick_h> I knew I liked her :)
[17:23] <snap-l> Nice! Oil Rush is finally out
[17:23] <snap-l> I'd like to see if that will even run on my computer that already has trouble with the UNigine demos
[17:30] <snap-l> rick_h: https://github.com/raganwald/homoiconic/blob/master/2011/12/jargon.md#readme
[17:30] <rick_h> snap-l: I've got that on my screen to read at lunch
[17:30] <rick_h> :)
[17:30] <snap-l> Ah
[17:30] <rick_h> I'm guessing the title is a bit flamebait
[17:31] <snap-l> IT's not what you think it is.
[17:31] <rick_h> yea, that's what I figured...oh well. I'm sure it'll get me ready to rant anyway :)
[17:38] <snap-l> heh
[17:46] <rick_h> *sigh* coffeescript...I'll refuse you for so long and one day have to write you...
[17:46] <snap-l> heh
[17:47] <rick_h> I really want to do more of this: http://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/python-faq
[17:57] <Blazeix> hm, so is heroku completely free for low usage? that's pretty awesome
[17:57] <rick_h> Blazeix: yea, exactly. And can run simple .wsgi apps really easily
[17:57] <rick_h> I think I might try to move my pastebin there to play with it
[17:58] <rick_h> but it's pgsql only, so my sqlite db of things would go boom
[17:58] <rick_h> and wonder if PIL and such will work there
[17:59] <rick_h> and then you can use: http://addons.heroku.com/
[17:59] <rick_h> anyway, I love the idea of app engine, but heroku seems more of an app engine idea I can get behind
[17:59] <Blazeix> hm, 5MB db only in the free version, that's a bit rough
[17:59] <rick_h> yea
[17:59] <Blazeix> but for free I shouldn't complain
[18:00] <rick_h> right :/
[18:02] <rick_h> it'd be sweet if I could get bookie to run there, but with all the special dependencies and the whoosh fulltext indexing it's not close to able to run
[18:05] <snap-l> What's their price?
[18:05]  * snap-l clicks the friendly Pricing link
[18:06] <snap-l> WOw, that gets expensive for home use quick.
[18:07] <rick_h> how so?
[18:07] <snap-l> It's kinda confusing
[18:07] <brousch> how does their free teir compare to GAE?
[18:08] <rick_h> yea, it is
[18:08] <rick_h> but anything cloud like that is
[18:08] <rick_h> see recent crazy stuff with AE
[18:08] <rick_h> brousch: basically the free stuff is a single cpu + 5mb of db
[18:08] <brousch> 5MB? that's like 1 record
[18:09] <rick_h> lol
[18:10] <brousch> i store all my data as TIFFs
[18:10] <rick_h> brousch: heh, then that's not a record, that's a file
[18:10] <rick_h> and yea, no local files stored
[18:10] <rick_h> so you'd probably not run that app there
[18:10] <brousch> a tiff stored in the DB
[18:10] <rick_h> booooooooooo
[18:11] <brousch> the biggest problem with GAE is the nosql DB. if heroku has a real DB that would be a big advantage
[18:12] <brousch> actually, 5MB would work well for the GRPUG web site. i should try it
[18:12] <rick_h> brousch: yea, pgsql by default, with add ons for mysql, redis, mongo
[18:35] <jrwren> heroku <3
[18:37] <brousch> hm, now i'm not so sure about it
[18:37] <brousch> jrwren is always on the opposite side of what i <3
[18:38] <jrwren> really?
[18:38] <jrwren> i thought we were agreeing.
[18:38] <brousch> apple, ruby, dotnet
[18:40] <snap-l> rick_h: Book club?
[18:40] <snap-l> like book of the month club?
[18:40] <snap-l> or Oprah's Book Club. ;)
[18:40] <rick_h> snap-l: yea, talk of a canonical book club which seems interesting since I'm cranking through a few fiction books a month right now
[18:41] <snap-l> Nice!
[18:42] <jrwren> apple, ruby, dotnet via mono, I all <3
[18:43] <jrwren> i'm jealous. I've not made time for fiction in a while.
[18:43] <rick_h> yea, I've gone the other way, I've not read much tech but tons of fiction the last few months
[18:43] <rick_h> nice to take the break
[18:44] <brousch> your skills are stagnating!
[18:45] <rick_h> yea, well it's been good though. lots of fiction and having fun, but also been getting lots of code written lately
[18:45] <rick_h> and now I'm reading a book on Make...so I'm now doomed
[18:47] <Blazeix> you should switch all over canonical from make to mk.
[18:47] <Blazeix> s/over canonical/of canonical over/
[18:47] <rick_h> dude, remind me at CHC to show you the LP make file tonight
[18:47] <rick_h> that's part of the problem "Let's learn how this works by looking at this giant monstrosity of an example"
[18:47] <rick_h> at least I know wtf PHONY means now
[18:48] <Blazeix> hah, i've seen that word before.
[18:48] <Blazeix> i can do the hello world of make files, but that's about it.
[18:52] <jrwren> what fiction you reading?
[18:52] <snap-l> He's reading something JoDee is reading (Pandora's Star)
[18:52] <jrwren> by whom?
[18:53] <snap-l> Peter F. Hamilton
[18:53] <rick_h> http://www.goodreads.com/review/list/6943667-mitechie?shelf=currently-reading does that load?
[18:53] <rick_h> http://www.goodreads.com/review/list/6943667-mitechie?shelf=read
[19:20] <Wolfger> current fiction read: Making Money by Terry Pratchett
[19:21] <Wolfger> it took getting a Kindle for me to feel sufficient shame about my dead tree books I never read to actually start reading them.
[19:22] <snap-l> heh
[19:22] <Wolfger> Read a few things on the kindle to get back in the reading habit, now I plan to switch between eBook and paperback until I've read the stack of unread books on my dresser
[19:24] <Wolfger> if only I could trade the paper in for their ebook equivalents...
[19:25] <Wolfger> "Look here. I bought your book, now I'd like to exchange it for this version that costs you virtually nothing to make me a copy of. You can even have the old one back and resell it."
[19:25] <rick_h> some oreilly stuff you can "upgrade" to get a digital copy for $5
[19:25] <Wolfger> le sigh
[19:26] <Wolfger> Yeah, that's better than most publishers will do
[19:26] <snap-l> press will let you upgrade for $10
[19:26] <snap-l> Apress
[19:26] <Wolfger> $10 is more than I spend on a book in the first place (still talking fiction)
[19:27] <snap-l> Which is also why they're my first stop whenever I'm looking for a book on a particular topic
[19:27] <snap-l> Wolfger: Yeah, there's no way around it
[19:27] <snap-l> at least not currently
[19:27] <snap-l> What disgusts me is when publishers price their material at hardback levels
[19:28] <snap-l> $24.99 for an eBook that I can't sell afterward is way too much
[19:28] <Wolfger> Oh wow. I just learned there was a made-for-TV movie of Going Postal. I'll have to see if I can find that
[19:29] <Wolfger> Yeah, I won't pay hardcover prices for an ebook. That's just silly.
[19:29] <Wolfger> I'll sooner not read your story and tell you why.
[19:30] <Wolfger> still looking forward to the movie version of Wee Free Men
[19:30] <Wolfger> hoping they don't turn them into smurfs
[19:30] <snap-l> I'm looking for the movie version of The Decline And Fall of the Roman Empire. ;)
[19:31] <snap-l> Or Pac Man: The Movie
[19:32] <Wolfger> They're turning Asteroids into a movie, so (sad to say) Pac Man is likely your best bet.
[19:32] <snap-l> Yeah, which is about as braindead as they come
[19:34] <Wolfger> Doom. Street Fighter. Has there ever been a good, or even decent, video game movie?
[19:34] <Wolfger> I'm betting "no", yet they keep making more.
[19:34] <snap-l> Mortal Kombat was decent
[19:34] <snap-l> not fantastic, but decent
[19:35] <snap-l> but that's mostly because the game had a backstory outside of "you meet, you fight"
[19:36] <Wolfger> I need to talk to a Hollywood producer, immediately.
[19:36] <snap-l> Uh huh
[19:36] <Wolfger> No more comic book movies or video game movies. The wave of the future is pinball movies.
[19:36] <Wolfger> Black Knight
[19:36] <snap-l> Jackbot
[19:36] <snap-l> Pinbot
[19:37] <snap-l> No Good Gophers
[19:37] <snap-l> Oh, even better: Addams Family and Twilight ZOne. Those would be good pinball movies. ;)
[19:37] <Wolfger> The one that showed the alligator in the fishing boat, whatever that was called
[19:37] <Wolfger> Those were movie pinballs. You're working the wrong direction there.
[19:38] <snap-l> No, I'm being an ass
[19:38] <Wolfger> I'm being polite
[19:38] <Wolfger> sad that as much as I loved pinball games, the only name I can remember is Black Knight. And, of course, Black Knight 2000
[19:39] <Wolfger> back when 2000 was still the future
[19:40] <snap-l> I love pinball
[19:40] <snap-l> ex-friend had a bunch of machines
[19:41] <snap-l> some machines I hadn't heard of before (Did you know Capcom made pinball machines?)
[19:42] <jjesse> is there a good android pinball app?
[19:43] <brousch> i kept windows nt around for years just for the pinball
[19:44] <snap-l> PInball Hall of Fame is pretty good for console pinball
[19:44] <snap-l> I like the Wii versions
[19:44] <snap-l> Especially the Williams collection
[19:45] <snap-l> Gottleib collection is decent as well, but there's a lot of games that I don't recognize
[19:45] <snap-l> I think they had a version for iPhone, but not sure re: Android
[19:46] <Wolfger> blasphemers!
[19:46] <Wolfger> there's no such thing as "a good pinball app"
[19:46] <Wolfger> pinball needs to be a physical game
[19:47] <snap-l> Wolfger: I agree, but reality is you're not going to spend the $$ for a real table
[19:47] <snap-l> and store it
[19:47] <snap-l> I find the simulations that use an LCD screen to be fascinating
[19:47] <Wolfger> with analog flippers where you can feel the ball hit, and let off a little bit to cushion the landing
[19:48] <Wolfger> snap-l: the only real obstacle is storage space
[19:48] <krondor> jjesse: http://www.androidguys.com/2011/04/19/pinball-apps-android/
[19:48] <Wolfger> I would totally buy a pinball game if I had room to put it
[19:49] <snap-l> Wolfger: They're like chips: you can't have just one.
[19:51] <Wolfger> all I need is Black Knight
[19:51] <snap-l> You and everyone else. ;)
[19:51] <Wolfger> that got me through 3 years of college
[19:51] <snap-l> That's like trying to find a non-repro Ms Pac Man or Galaga
[19:52] <snap-l> You'll find it, but you won't want to pay for it. :)
[19:52] <Wolfger> Hmm
[19:52] <Wolfger> have to admit I haven't shopped
[19:52] <snap-l> Last I heard, they were ~$1K
[19:53] <Wolfger> Just need to set it up at $1 per play for the neighborhood kids...
[19:53] <snap-l> Hah
[19:53] <Wolfger> They'll probably be all, "What's *that*?"
[19:54] <snap-l> kids don't understand pinball
[19:54] <Wolfger> Need to force feed them some Happy Days
[19:55] <snap-l> Oh, THAT'LL work
[19:55] <Wolfger> ROFL
[19:55] <Wolfger> I mean, uh, correctamundo
[19:56] <Wolfger> then force feed them some MASH so they'll know why they should care about Tony Packo's
[19:57] <snap-l> You're killing me here.
[20:01] <krondor> "You have to use your hands? That's like a baby game!" -- Back to the Future 2
[20:05] <rick_h> ok, bookie js building ported over to a make file from fabric
[20:05] <rick_h> fast, and the ability to only fire if the files have changed is nice
[20:09] <brousch> isn't that like selling your nissan leaf for a model T?
[20:09] <rick_h> :)
[20:10] <Blazeix> fabric isn't actually a build system, though, right? more of automation software?
[20:11] <rick_h> right
[20:11] <rick_h> but it's darn handy for creating tasks you run a lot
[20:11] <rick_h> and that can have deps/code things to occur in pure python
[20:11] <rick_h> plus ssh/remote execution if you want
[20:13] <Blazeix> have you looked at the waf build system? it's pythony
[20:13] <rick_h> no, waf and paver are supposed to be more python builds
[20:14] <Blazeix> the only reason it's on my radar is because 'waf' are my initials :D
[20:14] <rick_h> I've looked at paver (written by kevin dangoor of TG fame)
[20:14] <rick_h> hah
[20:14] <rick_h> this is more about LP uses Make and so I'm trying to figure it out
[20:14] <rick_h> either I work with the current giant LP make file, or start small with stuff for bookie
[20:14] <Blazeix> ah, right
[20:31] <snap-l> Awesome! My sis-in-law is coming to Penguicon this year
[20:31] <snap-l> assuming they have the registration / hotel page up soon. ;)
[20:35] <rick_h> for anyone that knows anything of Make http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9009829/have-make-build-minimize-js-files-that-have-changed
[20:38] <snap-l> rick_h: How are you invoking?
[20:39] <rick_h> make
[20:41] <snap-l> I wonder if the wildcards are messing up make
[20:41] <snap-l> also, you don't have an all: directive
[20:41] <rick_h> I'm sure that's some part of it right. I must need to use a make internal variable for it to pick up the files
[20:41] <rick_h> snap-l: right, don't need it yet
[20:41] <rick_h> make defaults to running the first item
[20:41] <rick_h> the first item does all the combining
[20:41] <rick_h> as it expands I'll do an all, but just extra garbage atm
[20:44] <snap-l> $(BOOKIE_JS)/y*.js: $(JS_BUILD_PATH)/bookie
[20:44] <snap-l> I think that might be the rule that's causing it to run all the time
[20:44] <rick_h> right, I want that rule to only execute for changed files that match
[20:44] <rick_h> but unsure how to do that
[20:45] <snap-l> list each of the files. ;)
[20:45] <rick_h> psh
[20:49] <snap-l> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920022886.do?imm_mid=07d33a
[20:49] <Blazeix> boo jqtouch
[20:50] <Blazeix> rick_h: floated that question out to some of my make-happy friends, hopefully someone will know the answer
[20:51] <rick_h> Blazeix: thanks, end of the day it's not a killer
[20:52] <rick_h> but it's messing with my "understanding" of how things should work
[20:56] <snap-l> Every now and again Full Disclosure gives me a chuckle: http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2012-January/085363.html
[21:00] <Blazeix> rick_h: my friend answered your SO post
[21:01] <rick_h> doh! see I knew I was missing some make-ism. Makes sense
[21:01] <snap-l> Ah, that's cool
[21:01] <snap-l> voted up
[21:07] <rick_h> hah closer, now it just copied all of the files except the one I changed
[21:07] <snap-l> Awesome. :)
[21:26] <rick_h> ok, this seems to work
[21:26] <rick_h> took some extra reorg
[21:26] <rick_h> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/514/
[21:31] <waldo323_> is chc at 7 today?
[21:32] <Blazeix> waldo323_: yes
[21:33] <waldo323_> thanks
[21:48] <rick_h> ok, this part is hotness :) http://paste.mitechie.com/show/515/
[23:09] <greg-g> rick_h: what is taking care of those runs?
[23:35] <rick_h> greg-g: what?
[23:35] <rick_h> greg-g: oh, I'm working on learning make and creating a makefile for some bookie stuff
[23:35] <rick_h> one of the things I get annoyed with is that in development I run the app, the combo server for js, the sass css generator, and livereload
[23:35] <rick_h> so turning that into a single make command :)
[23:40] <greg-g> oh, those are gnumake? interesting
[23:41] <rick_h> greg-g: yea
[23:41] <rick_h> we use it for launchpad so I'm diving into actually learning wtf that gnu make magic crap is
[23:42] <greg-g> cool