[05:35] <inetpro> fp
[12:53] <pikkie> hi all
[16:28] <inetpro> hmm... netsplit
[16:28] <nlsthzn> The internet broke
[16:30] <inetpro> yikes
[16:30] <inetpro> hi nlsthzn
[16:30] <nlsthzn> Hey inetpro :)
[16:31] <inetpro> I see the guys are running around with duct tape to fix it
[16:35] <superfly> hi inetpro, nlsthzn
[16:35] <nlsthzn> Yup was a funny comment from freenode :)
[16:36] <nlsthzn> Hi superfly :)
[16:59] <Mezenir> well
[16:59] <Mezenir> were on the cool side
[17:10] <superfly> Mezenir: were on the cool side? Your sentence lacks a subject
[17:17] <cocooncrash> Haha.
[17:49] <inetpro> hi superfly, Mezenir, cocooncrash, et al
[17:49] <inetpro> cocooncrash: wb
[18:01] <nuvolari> :O
[18:01] <nuvolari> is you people okey?
[18:02] <nuvolari> oh, cool, cool side
[18:02] <nuvolari> et ali ban.
[18:06] <nuvolari> :> I fell in love with Gnome 3 again
[18:08] <nlsthzn> Interesting time ahead in Ubuntu with Unity being refined and now HUD...
[18:11] <nuvolari> nlsthzn: ya, saw that. I don't know if I look forward to it too much
[18:11] <inetpro> hi nuvolari
[18:11] <inetpro> nlsthzn: I agree it looks damn nice
[18:11] <nuvolari> it's like CLI for GUI, which doesn't feel right
[18:11] <nuvolari> lo inetpro!
[18:11] <inetpro> just hope it is as practical as it looks
[18:12] <nlsthzn> Tried it out in VBox... still a but too early to tell 
[18:12] <inetpro> I think it can work
[18:12] <nuvolari> hmm, maybe I should find a video, the screenshots maybe gave me the wrong idea
[18:12] <nlsthzn> showed the wife as she uses gimp a lot and she really likes the idea... can get lost in those menus :)
[18:12] <inetpro> the video is very cool
[18:13] <nlsthzn> omgubuntu has the video
[18:15] <inetpro> nuvolari: see http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/939
[18:16] <cocooncrash> inetpro: :)
[18:16] <inetpro> or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_WW-DHqR3c
[18:16] <inetpro> cocooncrash: how's the weather up north?
[18:17] <cocooncrash> inetpro: Good, nice and cool
[18:17] <cocooncrash> Maaz: weather for mountain view, ca
[18:17] <Maaz> cocooncrash: In Moffett NAS, California at 9:56 AM PST on January 25, 2012: 12°C; Humidity: 89%; Wind: NNW at 6 km/h; Conditions: Mostly Cloudy; Sunrise/set: 7:16 AM PST/5:24 PM PST; Moonrise/set: 8:23 AM PST/8:18 PM PST
[18:20] <inetpro> nlsthzn: the only idea that I don't like is that of hiding the entire menu
[18:20] <inetpro> cocooncrash: always good to see in here
[18:21] <nuvolari> oooh! interesting, hud-cli :D
[18:21] <nlsthzn> inetpro, well they are all ready hiding it with the global menu...
[18:21] <nuvolari> it looks much like zsh-functionality though 
[18:22] <nlsthzn> I think the cli is more for testing but looks awesome
[18:23] <inetpro> Yikes!
[18:23] <inetpro> at about 26s into the video they are advertising IE?
[18:23] <nlsthzn> ?
[18:27] <inetpro> or rather 28 seconds into the video
[18:29] <nlsthzn> on youtube?
[18:37] <inetpro> nlsthzn: yep, that youtube link above
[18:37] <nlsthzn> oh ok :)
[18:38] <inetpro> check the ad on the OMGubuntu site
[18:39] <inetpro> in the video, that is
[18:49] <inetpro> wb drussell
[18:49] <drussell> inetpro: hey :o)
[18:49] <drussell> inetpro: how's things?
[18:56] <inetpro> drussell: good and yourself?
[18:57]  * inetpro is struggling with internet connectivity this evening 
[18:57] <inetpro> rainy weather in Pretoria
[18:57] <drussell> inetpro: good too!
[18:57] <drussell> inetpro: hehe strangely enough I've been struggling with internet connectivity all day today
[18:58] <drussell> inetpro: been manning a stand and running demos @ "Cloud Expo Europe" but the internet access has been awful
[18:59] <drussell> inetpro: even 3G was swamped so couldn't rely on phone/data either!
[18:59] <inetpro> sounds interesting though
[18:59] <drussell> inetpro: yup, not bad, it's my third year running at the event... though previous years I was representing another company ;o)
[18:59] <drussell> (ssssshhhh Red Hat sssssshhhhh) ;o)
[18:59] <inetpro> drussell: a Canonical stand?
[19:00] <inetpro> eish
[19:00] <drussell> inetpro: yup Canonical/Ubuntu
[19:00] <inetpro> ahh
[19:00] <inetpro> :-)
[19:00] <inetpro> many people around?
[19:01] <drussell> inetpro: yeah, quite a few, certainly the busiest so far out of the 3 years
[19:01] <inetpro> nice
[19:04] <Kilos> hiya superfly et al
[19:05] <Kilos> hey nlsthzn you at work?
[19:05] <nlsthzn> Hi uncle Kilos ... nope at home for a change :)
[19:05] <Kilos> ah thats nice
[19:05] <Kilos> hi Guest62405 
[19:06] <Guest62405> Hi
[19:06] <Guest62405> Looking for help on a issue... would this be the place...?
[19:06] <inetpro> Kilos: good evening oom
[19:06] <Kilos> ubuntu or linux issues yes Guest62405 
[19:06] <Kilos> hi there inetpro hows things
[19:07] <inetpro> Guest62405: don't ask to ask, just ask
[19:07] <inetpro> Kilos: good and you?
[19:07] <Kilos> good ty my buddy
[19:07] <Guest62405> thanks - I'm trying to create a personal hotspot using laptop & 3G modem, running Unbuntu 11.10
[19:08] <Guest62405> problem is when I click "use as hotspot" under wireless settings, nothing happens
[19:09] <Guest62405> it creates a hotspot connection under wireless connections, but doesn't connect to anything and isn't picked up by any of my other wireless devices
[19:09] <inetpro> Guest62405: hmm... I didn't even know about that option
[19:09] <Kilos> hehe Guest62405 just be patient, one of the brains here will help you
[19:09] <inetpro> never to old to learn
[19:10] <Kilos> i dont even know what a hotspot is
[19:10] <Guest62405> hehehe, thanks!
[19:10] <Guest62405> :-)
[19:10] <Kilos> what is it used for Guest62405 
[19:11] <Guest62405> I want to create a local wifi network to connect to the internet through my laptop
[19:11] <inetpro> Kilos: it's like creating a wireless router so other machines can connect to the internet via the hotspot
[19:11] <Kilos> ah
[19:12] <Kilos> without a router?
[19:12] <Guest62405> yup
[19:12] <Kilos> how they gonna connect to each other
[19:12] <Kilos> cable?
[19:12] <Guest62405> using wireless
[19:12] <zeref> Guest62405: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Adhoc ; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessAccessPoint
[19:12] <Kilos> oh i see ty
[19:12] <Kilos> hi zeref 
[19:13] <zeref> hi Kilos 
[19:13] <Guest62405> thanks, I'll have a look at the link
[19:14] <Kilos> Guest62405, i see you came here via your browser, you can install xchat and make life easier
[19:15] <zeref> but Guest62405: in network-manager there is an option to create a new wireless option, did ou use that?
[19:15] <Guest62405> i tried... without success... I'm still a real newbie!
[19:15] <Guest62405> i did fiddle with network manager
[19:16] <Guest62405> but didn't have much luck
[19:19] <zeref> hmmm
[19:19] <Guest62405> The link requires me to install server edition - I was hoping for a simpler solution
[19:19] <Guest62405> The net suggests that it should be quite easy
[19:20] <Kilos> might this help?
[19:20] <Kilos> https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/serverguide/C/network-configuration.html
[19:22] <Kilos> zeref, you in heaven with the lappy as compared to the old pc?
[19:32] <Kilos> wb bakuman 
[19:35] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos 
[19:35] <nuvolari> naandse :>
[19:35] <Kilos> nuvolari, hoe gaan dit seun?
[19:35] <nuvolari> gaan goed dankie oom
[19:35] <nuvolari> net bietjie warm vanaand
[19:35] <Kilos> goed dankie
[19:36] <Kilos> baie lekker hier, ons het nou nou n donderstorm gehad
[19:36] <nuvolari> dis lekker. Ek soul like van bietjie afkoel hier!
[19:36] <Kilos> hehe
[19:37] <Kilos> dis die "aircon" wat julle so laat sukkel
[19:37] <Kilos> lugreeling goeters
[19:38] <nuvolari> verseker 
[19:38] <Kilos> guest, you the same one with wireless probs?
[19:39] <nuvolari> maar sonder dit sou ons dooi
[19:39] <guest> yup...
[19:39] <guest> dankie vir die hulp so ver
[19:39] <guest> ek sukkel maar nog aan
[19:39] <guest> hierdie goed bietjie bou my kennis
[19:40] <Kilos> guest, instaleer xchat en word een van ons ubuntu mense
[19:40] <Kilos> nuvolari, wat weet jy van die wireless vpn settings
[19:40] <guest> ek het probeer, maar ek sukkel laat die dinge "connect"
[19:41] <guest> my settings is seker nie reg nie
[19:41] <Kilos> jy moet scroll na freenode toe en dan edit en #ubuntu-za in tik
[19:41] <nuvolari> hmm. waai settings gebruik jy guest?
[19:41] <nuvolari> ja, luister vir oom Kilos. Wysheid in die grysheid
[19:42] <guest> onder servers het ek irc.freenode.net/8001
[19:42] <Kilos> hja dis reg
[19:42] <guest> favourite channels #ununtu-za
[19:42] <guest> #ubuntu-za
[19:42] <Kilos> ja en dan connect
[19:42] <guest> Nickname: sommer iets random
[19:43] <Kilos> moet hier na toe kmo
[19:43] <zeref> Kilos: Lappy is moms, she wanted me to fix stuff, still have pc
[19:43] <Kilos> nee man nie sommer enigiets nie jy gaan baie hier kom kuier
[19:43] <Kilos> aw
[19:44] <guest> *** checking indent 
[19:44] <Kilos> guest kies n lekker nick
[19:44] <guest> *** couldn't look up your hostname
[19:44] <Kilos> dit sal deur kom
[19:44] <Kilos> my voda maak ook so
[19:44] <guest> ek op Cell C
[19:44] <Kilos> dit sal werk
[19:45] <Kilos> wag net bietjie
[19:45] <guest> gee heeltyd selfde fout, sal hom los laat hy aangaan
[19:45] <Kilos> watse fout?
[19:45] <guest> *** couldn't look up your hostname
[19:45] <guest> dan disconnect hy weer
[19:46] <Kilos> dit maak nie saak nie dit sal deaur kom
[19:46] <Kilos> myne gaan verby dit
[19:46] <inetpro> guest: favourite channels #ubuntu-za nie #ununtu-za
[19:46] <Kilos> lol
[19:46] <Kilos> ha ha welkom piet
[19:46] <inetpro> welkom PietPompies
[19:47] <PietPompies> awesome, daar gaan hy deur
[19:47] <Kilos> dit vat party keer n rukkie
[19:47] <PietPompies> Beter as guest neem ek aan!
[19:47] <Kilos> ja so bietjie
[19:47] <Kilos> jou nick is nick?
[19:48] <Kilos> you an engelsman that goois the taal
[19:49] <PietPompies> Yup, I throws it far
[19:50] <PietPompies> Engelse ouers, Afrikaans skool
[19:50] <PietPompies> 100% baster
[19:50] <Kilos> ok now we just need someone to give you the vpn settings for network manager
[19:50] <Kilos> where are you PietPompies 
[19:50] <PietPompies> Century City
[19:50] <PietPompies> in Cape Town
[19:50] <Kilos> where is that?
[19:51] <Kilos> ah
[19:51] <PietPompies> yourself?
[19:51] <Kilos> there are lotsa ubuntu peeps in capetown area
[19:51] <Kilos> ptown
[19:51] <Kilos> Pta
[19:51] <PietPompies> I was initially on a CT IRC, but it was dead
[19:51] <Kilos> yeah we all use freenode
[19:51] <PietPompies> ah, ek weet net dis die wereld van blou bloed
[19:52] <Kilos> hehe
[19:52] <PietPompies> never been there
[19:52] <PietPompies> I don't think 11.10 has network manager (?)
[19:53] <PietPompies> It's got network and "network connections"
[19:53] <Kilos> inetpro, have you any idea what the vpn settings are for wireless in vpn in nm
[19:53] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:53] <Kilos> doesnt it come up in your top panel
[19:53] <inetpro> sorry, was busy with other stuffs
[19:53] <Kilos> np
[19:53] <inetpro> no man, why setup any vpn seetings?
[19:54] <Kilos> he wants to use wireless inetpro 
[19:54] <PietPompies> the guides just tell you to open "networks" and select "Use as Hotspot"
[19:54] <inetpro> should be as easy as, connect with USB to internet and then press "Use as Hotspot"
[19:54] <PietPompies> as I mentioned, this creates a new connection under wireless connections, but nothing further happens
[19:55] <Kilos> maybe it isnt seeing a wireless connection
[19:55] <inetpro> PietPompies: why are you tryng to create the hotspot, do you have something else that also needs a web connection?
[19:56] <PietPompies> Yes, I want to connect my iphone and ipad through the 3G connection
[19:56] <PietPompies> I don't have adsl
[19:56] <PietPompies> some am trying to share the connection with all my other devices in the house
[19:56] <Tonberry> there is an ap mode gui?
[19:56] <PietPompies> *so
[19:56] <inetpro> have you tried scanning for a wireless network on these devices after having pressed "Use as Hotspot" on Ubuntu?
[19:57] <PietPompies> yes, it doesn't pick anything up
[19:57] <PietPompies> when I click "use as hotspot", the "configure" button doesn't become active either
[19:57] <inetpro> I haven't tried it yet., so unfortunately can't help much
[19:57] <Kilos> then there isnt one in the area?
[19:57] <inetpro> perhaps some settings needed
[19:58] <Kilos> the fone should see if there is one in the area but you need pin numbers for them i think
[19:58] <PietPompies> it is a bit of a strange one - I didn't see anyone else having such a problem on the forums
[19:58] <PietPompies> yes, thats why I want to create my own
[19:58] <PietPompies> also safer for banking, etc
[19:59] <Kilos> if there isnt a wireless tower in your area you wont get anything
[20:00] <Kilos> you need to get a signal from one first
[20:00] <Tonberry> not all wifi cards can be used as hotspots
[20:00] <PietPompies> thanks Tonberry - that may be my problem then
[20:01] <Kilos> maybe
[20:01] <Kilos> maybe try contact the wug in that area
[20:02] <Kilos> they should tell you if there is coverage where you are
[20:02] <inetpro> Kilos: nee
[20:02] <Kilos> o?
[20:02] <inetpro> Kilos: the hotspot will be created on his Ubuntu machine
[20:02] <inetpro> his ubuntu machine will thus act as a wireless router
[20:03] <PietPompies> exactly
[20:03] <Kilos> yeah but if it cant see a wireless tower anywhere how can it connect to the internet
[20:03] <PietPompies> or that was the plan...
[20:03] <inetpro> nee
[20:03] <Kilos> am i missing something
[20:03] <inetpro> Kilos: no wireless towers involved here
[20:03] <Tonberry> 3g in wifi out
[20:03] <PietPompies> connect to internet using 3G data stick
[20:03] <Kilos> aha
[20:04] <PietPompies> then use pc as a hotspot
[20:04] <PietPompies> for my other devices
[20:04] <inetpro> Kilos: except for the USB connecting to a 3G wireless tower
[20:04] <Kilos> do the devices see the pc?
[20:04] <Kilos> maybe the wireless card isnt activated
[20:04] <PietPompies> not under wireless
[20:05] <PietPompies> let me quickly check bluetooth
[20:05] <Kilos> bt is fast i got 3m/s here
[20:05] <inetpro> Kilos: a wifi access point (or hotspot) has a range of about 20 meters
[20:05] <Kilos> ah
[20:06] <Kilos> bt is less
[20:06] <PietPompies> I think I'm trying to do something that I don't properly understand...
[20:06] <Kilos> thats how you learn
[20:06] <PietPompies> but dammit its frustrating!
[20:07] <inetpro> PietPompies: what laptop do you have?
[20:07] <PietPompies> toshiba satellite L300
[20:08] <PietPompies> also got a lenovo running windows 7 Starter, which microsoft disabled the hotspot functionality on
[20:08] <PietPompies> hence my attempt to do it through Ubuntu
[20:09] <inetpro> PietPompies: Just a simple question: Have you activated the WLAN card using the hardware switch on the notebook and key combination FN+F8?
[20:10] <PietPompies> the switch is on
[20:10] <PietPompies> FN+F8 doesn't seem to have any effect - don't think the shortcut works in Ubunut
[20:10] <PietPompies> Ubuntu
[20:10] <PietPompies> Ubuntu picks up that the wireless is on
[20:11] <Kilos> hen try the fone to search again
[20:12] <PietPompies> phone doesn't pick it up
[20:12] <PietPompies> I've got an old router that I plugged in - the phone picks that up
[20:13] <drussell> PietPompies: I think it's a bug
[20:13] <drussell> PietPompies: it was working under 11.04
[20:13] <drussell> PietPompies: but I've just found that exact same issue under 11.10 and 12.04 earlier today
[20:13] <PietPompies> ah... looks like I didn't look hard enough then
[20:14] <PietPompies> can you send me the link of someone who had a similar issue?
[20:16] <PietPompies> don't suppose it's possible to back track to 10.04
[20:16] <PietPompies> 11.04
[20:16] <Kilos> lo plustwo 
[20:17] <plustwo> oom Kilos how are you doing?
[20:17] <plustwo> hi everyone ...
[20:17] <Kilos> well ty and you plustwo 
[20:17] <plustwo> o/
[20:18] <Kilos> PietPompies, have you tried connecting via btooth yet?
[20:18] <PietPompies> yes - no luck
[20:19] <Kilos> do ifones have bt?
[20:19] <PietPompies> yup
[20:19] <Kilos> and they dont see each other?
[20:19] <Kilos> you need to tell the pc bt to search
[20:20] <PietPompies> ah, the bluetooth is greyed out
[20:20] <Kilos> maybe you need to plug a bt dongle in
[20:21] <PietPompies> I wonder if it isn't a compatibility issue, similar to what drussell mentioned
[20:21] <Kilos> dunno if that lappy has one internally
[20:21] <Kilos> do you have a usb bt dongle
[20:21] <PietPompies> nope
[20:21] <PietPompies> unfortunately
[20:21] <Kilos> eish
[20:22] <PietPompies> the iPhone can act as a hotspot, so perhaps my solution is just to buy large databundles for it
[20:22] <Kilos> isnt it slower then a modem
[20:23] <inetpro> plustwo: good evening
[20:23] <Kilos> that isnt solving the prob how are you gonna get the lappy to see the iphone
[20:23] <PietPompies> no, it's quite fast if the signal is strong enough
[20:23] <PietPompies> I'll just let it be to be honest
[20:23] <inetpro> plustwo: have you perhaps played with the hotspot function on Ubuntu 11.10?
[20:24] <PietPompies> mostly use the windows laptop
[20:25] <PietPompies> how do you search for wireless networks in 11.10?
[20:25] <inetpro> PietPompies: see http://www.bigfatostrich.com/2011/10/solved-ubuntu-11-10-wireless-issues/
[20:25] <inetpro> perhaps it can help
[20:25] <Kilos> inetpro, ls -la will see if there is a bt in that lappy hey?
[20:26] <Kilos> ah
[20:26] <nuvolari> whoa. activity like mad!
[20:26] <inetpro> nuvolari: wb
[20:26] <Kilos> lol jy slaap
[20:26] <nuvolari> pffft, ek slaap nie
[20:26] <Kilos> hehe
[20:26] <nuvolari> hhet 'n composition gemaak
[20:26] <nuvolari> *het
[20:27] <nuvolari> van kiekies wat ek vandag geneem het
[20:27] <nuvolari> en met 'n halwe oog fliek gekyk
[20:27] <Kilos> if you snooze you lose
[20:27] <inetpro> PietPompies: just take that with a pinch of salt since you don't have the same hardware
[20:28] <nuvolari> was net drrrr, drrrr peeeeee! drrr drrr! Boef! drrr peeee doef!
[20:28] <drussell> PietPompies: I think I've found the solution
[20:28] <drussell> PietPompies: or at least a workarounde
[20:28] <drussell> PietPompies: http://askubuntu.com/questions/64494/wired-connection-shared-with-other-computers-connects-then-disconnects-in-11-10
[20:28] <PietPompies> thanks inetpro - this looks promising
[20:29]  * nuvolari craves for milk
[20:29] <Kilos> baby
[20:29] <inetpro> nuvolari: good idea
[20:29] <Kilos> babies
[20:30] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[20:30]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[20:30] <PietPompies> thanks drussell - I saw this post.  From what I could pickup the solution was to kill dnsmasq.  It's not running on my pc
[20:30] <drussell> PietPompies: it works as part of the network manager connection sharing
[20:31] <inetpro> The workaround for now is to set IPv6 options to Ignore and then sudo killall dnsmasq. Reconnect and it should work.
[20:31] <drussell> PietPompies: the key bit is "IPv6 options to Ignore"
[20:31] <nuvolari> still sounds like firestarter's connection sharing is the simplest :P
[20:31] <inetpro> nuvolari: he needs wifi to work
[20:32] <inetpro> bye squi[tab]
[20:32] <nuvolari> inetpro: connection sharing over wifi, or is it a different kind of issue?
[20:33] <inetpro> nuvolari: yep
[20:33] <inetpro> nuvolari: but with the ubuntu acting as a wifi hotspot
[20:34] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[20:34] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[20:34] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[20:35] <inetpro> PietPompies: also read the bug comments at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/865001
[20:35] <superfly> lots of chatter tonight
[20:35] <PietPompies> is network manager the same as "network" in 11.10?
[20:35] <Kilos> http://mylinuxramblings.wordpress.com/2011/10/16/how-to-stop-ubuntu-11-10-wireless-dr
[20:36] <drussell> PietPompies: nope
[20:36] <drussell> Kilos: good find
[20:36]  * drussell subscribes
[20:37] <PietPompies> if I type network manager into the search, nothing comes up
[20:37] <drussell> PietPompies: I've just tested it here, the workaround above certainly fixes it
[20:38] <drussell> PietPompies: you're connecting your laptop via wired? and then trying to share that wired connection via your laptops wireless connection, yes?
[20:38] <PietPompies> connecting via 3G
[20:38] <PietPompies> then trying to share via wireless
[20:38] <drussell> PietPompies: ahh ok, yup, same principle
[20:39] <drussell> PietPompies: I'm actually doing exactly the same thing here
[20:39] <drussell> PietPompies: just tested with 11.10 and 12.04
[20:40] <PietPompies> awesome - so you recommend this: The workaround for now is to set IPv6 options to Ignore and then sudo killall dnsmasq. Reconnect and it should work.
[20:40] <inetpro> Kilos: that link of yours is interesting but I don't think is related
[20:40] <Kilos> aw sorry
[20:40] <Kilos> i try
[20:40] <inetpro> PietPompies: try it
[20:40] <drussell> inetpro: I think it is, it seems to be reporting the exact issue
[20:41] <inetpro> hmm
[20:41] <drussell> inetpro: it's the outgoing/shared connection that's at fault, doesn't matter what the incoming supply connection is
[20:41] <Kilos> i know how frustrating it can be when things dont work  and for young fellas its even worse
[20:42] <Kilos> and i like seeing ubuntu work where windows cant
[20:42] <PietPompies> hahaha, I'd think it's worse for the older generation - they've had enough practice on most things to know how it works (technology excluded)
[20:42] <Kilos> but patience is lacking in the young ones
[20:43]  * inetpro needs some sleep
[20:43] <PietPompies> won't deny that
[20:44]  * plustwo is now releaved the Vodacom connection works better on the tablet
[20:44] <Kilos> ok inetpro sleep tight. ty for the help and chats
[20:44] <Kilos> visit more often
[20:44] <inetpro> PietPompies: good luck out there, and do come back soon even if your problems are gone
[20:44] <PietPompies> the workaround doesn't work for me
[20:44] <Kilos> aw
[20:44] <PietPompies> thanks very much for all your help!
[20:44] <PietPompies> and donating some of your evening for hopefully a worthy cause
[20:44] <inetpro> np
[20:45] <Kilos> yes PietPompies we like to see new blood here
[20:45] <inetpro> good night
[20:45] <Kilos> nag boetie
[20:45] <PietPompies> good night
[20:45] <PietPompies> I thought Wed night was "klein Saterdag"!
[20:45] <drussell> PietPompies: hmm.... you've set IPv6 to ignore?
[20:45] <PietPompies> yes
[20:46] <PietPompies> I'll take you through exactly what I do
[20:46] <PietPompies> firstly delete all wireless connections in "network connections"
[20:46] <plustwo> inetpro I haven't played around with 11.10 wifi stuff (hotspots)
[20:47] <PietPompies> then click wireless - "use as hotspot" in Networks
[20:47] <PietPompies> a wireless connection appears under wireless in Network connections 
[20:47] <PietPompies> but there is no active connection
[20:47] <PietPompies> and last used = never
[20:48] <PietPompies> network connections icon does look greyed out though
[20:48] <drussell> PietPompies: one sec let me test something...
[20:48] <drussell> back in a few mins
[20:49] <Kilos> PietPompies, if you then go add doesnt it show more stuff
[20:49] <Kilos> or edit
[20:49] <PietPompies> I click on edit
[20:49] <PietPompies> set IPv6 to ignore
[20:49] <Kilos> i am on maverick so not sure what the changes look like
[20:49] <Kilos> ah
[20:49] <PietPompies> screen shots would actually be best in these situations
[20:50] <Kilos> wait for drussel to come back, he is at canonical i think
[20:51] <PietPompies> wow, ok
[20:51] <Kilos> maybe even tumbleweed  tomorrow he is in the developement guys
[20:52] <Kilos> someone will find a fix for you
[20:52] <PietPompies> I just hope its not something silly
[20:53] <PietPompies> but I've tried most suggetions I could find
[20:53] <PietPompies> perhaps it's the driver
[20:53] <Kilos> what bugs me is that the phone doesnt even see your wireless signal from the pc
[20:53] <PietPompies> yes, that's why I think it may be the driver
[20:53] <Kilos> could be
[20:53] <Kilos> or its not activated
[20:53] <PietPompies> previously had windows installed on this machine and wireless worked fine
[20:53] <PietPompies> so the hardware should be ok
[20:53] <plustwo> is there no switch on the laptop that needs to be switched on and off to activate the wireless part?
[20:54] <PietPompies> I've got it switched on
[20:54] <PietPompies> That would be a REAL newbie mistake!
[20:54] <Kilos> if its active the fone must see it if its working
[20:55] <Kilos> drussell, wb
[20:56] <drussell> hey PietPompies I've just double checked, my 11.10 needed a reboot before it worked but it did work, there's probably something that didnt' respond well to the killall
[20:56] <drussell> Kilos: thanks :o)
[20:56] <PietPompies> ok, I'll give that a go
[20:56] <PietPompies> otherwise may be a driver that needs updating
[20:56] <drussell> PietPompies: so... to get this working I did
[20:57] <drussell> PietPompies: network manager applet > edit connections
[20:57] <drussell> wireless tab, click add
[20:58] <drussell> input ssid, change mode from infrastructure to ad-hoc
[20:58] <drussell> click security tab
[20:58] <superfly> http://oilrush-game.com/news/2012/01/25/oil-rush-released/
[20:58] <drussell> change it to whatever and put a passphrase in
[20:58] <drussell> click ipv4 settings
[20:58] <drussell> set method to share with other computers
[20:59] <drussell> click ipv6 settings 
[20:59] <drussell> tab
[20:59] <drussell> set method to ignore
[20:59] <drussell> then I rebooted
[20:59] <PietPompies> ok, I've followed those instructions exactly
[20:59] <drussell> (click save first ;o)
[21:00] <PietPompies> hehehe
[21:00] <PietPompies> only question is that I have network connections - not network manager
[21:00] <PietPompies> but options are the same
[21:00] <PietPompies> also, my network connections tab is slightly greyed out in the taskbar
[21:00] <drussell> PietPompies: so network manager is linked to that applet in the top right of your menu bar
[21:01] <drussell> PietPompies: the only other bug I've found
[21:02] <drussell> PietPompies: is that you may also need to set the "connect automatically" checkbox
[21:02] <drussell> PietPompies: because if you don't the wireless network you've just set up doesn't appear as one for you to manually start it seems
[21:03] <PietPompies> ok, I've saved your instructions incause I need to redo it
[21:03] <PietPompies> will reboot and see if it makes a difference
[21:03] <Kilos> good luck
[21:03] <drussell> PietPompies: once you've set it up, it seems to work straight away
[21:03] <drussell> PietPompies: no tinkering required :o)
[21:04] <drussell> PietPompies: indeed, as Kilos says, good luck!
[21:04] <PietPompies> hehehe, the tinkering usually breaks more than it fixes!
[21:04] <PietPompies> if you're not online when I get back, thank you so much for all the help
[21:04] <PietPompies> really appreciate it
[21:04] <Kilos> well come on reboot lets see
[21:05] <Kilos> come back again
[21:05] <PietPompies> and I'm off - will be back!
[21:05]  * Kilos holds thumbs
[21:06] <drussell> Kilos: hehe, I hope it works ;o)
[21:07] <drussell> Kilos: I've tested here so it *should*
[21:07] <Kilos> drussell, yeah me too
[21:07] <Kilos> all the different pcs make all the probs
[21:07]  * drussell likes the vibe in #ubuntu-za
[21:07] <Kilos> yeah we a happy family
[21:08] <drussell> Kilos: yeah, all the different manufacturers, different components, makes it pretty difficult to get a stable base across such a wide range of hardware
[21:08] <drussell> Kilos: for what we have to work with, I think we do a damn good job :o)
[21:08] <Kilos> yeah i think so too
[21:08] <drussell> Kilos: and when I say we, I mean everyone in the ubuntu community
[21:08] <Kilos> without you guys we all would be lost
[21:09] <drussell> Kilos: heh without everyone in the community we'd be nothing
[21:09] <Kilos> i cant imagine still being on ubuntu without #ubuntu-za
[21:09] <drussell> Kilos: btw you tried 12.04 and the new HUD yet?
[21:09] <drussell> PietPompies: so far so good ;o)
[21:09] <Kilos> PietPompies, wb
[21:09] <superfly> drussell: being the leader of an open source project which spans not only hardware, but also distros and operating systems, I know exactly what you mean ;-)
[21:09] <PietPompies> thanks
[21:10] <drussell> PietPompies: laptop didn't explode in a giant ball of flame so we're doing ok so far :o)
[21:10] <Kilos> no drussell my pc cant handle unity
[21:10] <PietPompies> hahaha
[21:10] <PietPompies> no joy though
[21:10] <drussell> Kilos: booooo :o(
[21:10] <Kilos> and bandwidth holds me on maverick
[21:10] <PietPompies> at least it saved the settings
[21:10] <drussell> PietPompies: damn
[21:10] <PietPompies> but still not connecting
[21:10] <Kilos> eish
[21:10] <PietPompies> I think I should try updating the drivers
[21:11] <PietPompies> fishy that some of the icons or greyed out
[21:11] <Kilos> PietPompies, have you updated since installing
[21:11] <drussell> PietPompies: maybe, it's possible the driver doesn't understand/handle ad-hoc mode I guess
[21:11] <PietPompies> where do you search for other wireless devices?
[21:11] <drussell> Kilos: maverick was a good release ;o)
[21:11] <PietPompies> in 11.10
[21:12] <PietPompies> want to see if it can find my phone
[21:12] <Kilos> yes PietPompies do you know how rto use the terminal
[21:12] <PietPompies> (my other laptop finds it, so its not an issue with the phone)
[21:12] <PietPompies> know how to get there, yes
[21:12] <drussell> right, gtg all
[21:12] <Kilos> ok type in sudo apt-get update
[21:12] <Kilos> ty drussell 
[21:12] <drussell> catch you all later ;o)
[21:13] <Kilos> go well
[21:13] <drussell> Kilos: cu soon :o)
[21:13] <Kilos> :-)
[21:13] <plustwo> drussell cheers
[21:13] <PietPompies> baie dankie Kilos!
[21:13] <PietPompies> have a good evening and thanks for all the help
[21:13] <drussell> plustwo: byeee
[21:13] <Kilos> PietPompies, i am here
[21:13] <drussell> PietPompies: yvw
[21:14] <Kilos> PietPompies, type sudo apt-get update in terminal
[21:14] <PietPompies> eish - perhaps I'm also too tired - greeting the wrong person...
[21:14] <Kilos> quickly man
[21:14] <PietPompies> its done
[21:14] <Kilos> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:14] <Kilos> what does it tell you
[21:15] <PietPompies> it updated a couple of files
[21:15] <PietPompies> didn't see any errors or anything like that
[21:15] <Kilos> was one the network goodie
[21:16] <PietPompies> not sure
[21:16] <Kilos> before you update your system doesnt know what is all available
[21:16] <Kilos> and before you upgrade lots of things arent fully updated
[21:16] <Kilos> maybe it will work now
[21:16] <PietPompies> ok, I try to update from the update manager everytime I log on
[21:16] <PietPompies> i'll give it a go
[21:16] <Kilos> we can look tomorrow night again
[21:17] <PietPompies> nope
[21:17] <Kilos> in the update manager you need to tell it to check as well for new stuff
[21:17] <PietPompies> ok, I'll do that
[21:17] <PietPompies> thanks for all the help
[21:17] <Kilos> reload or something
[21:18] <Kilos> im not sure in 11.10
[21:18] <Kilos> you welcome, sorry its not working yet
[21:18] <PietPompies> got about 200MB of updates
[21:18] <PietPompies> so perhaps that will help
[21:19] <PietPompies> if not, I will be back!
[21:19] <Kilos> see you system wasnt updated
[21:19] <Kilos> ok i wait to see
[21:19] <PietPompies> indeed - that may be the cause
[21:19] <Kilos> lets hope
[21:20] <PietPompies> won't be online until next week though, perhaps I can report good news then
[21:21] <Kilos> whew i will have forgotten by then
[21:21] <PietPompies> but I'll have a look at some of the links you guys provided aswell
[21:21] <PietPompies> hahahaha
[21:21] <Kilos> lol
[21:21] <PietPompies> well then you can start helping me from scratch and not feel "gatvol"!
[21:22] <Kilos> lol
[21:22] <Kilos> some of the top ubuntu guys are here
[21:22] <Kilos> someone here will fix it for you
[21:23] <PietPompies> It's really great that they're willing to help people out
[21:23] <Kilos> thats what ubuntu community is all about
[21:24] <Kilos> wonderful buncha geeks
[21:24] <PietPompies> hahaha, and proud of it
[21:24] <PietPompies> must say, I do enjoy the satisfaction once something is working just the way you want
[21:25] <Kilos> yeah
[21:25] <PietPompies> but if they want to get more mainstream, they need to make it idiot proof, which is extremely tough
[21:25] <Kilos> and it gives you even more satisfaction to help someone else again later
[21:25] <PietPompies> the world is good at producing big idiots!
[21:26] <Kilos> lol
[21:26] <PietPompies> thanks very true
[21:26] <PietPompies> *that's
[21:27] <PietPompies> is this update that I'm adding now part of the stable release or the latest available upgrade?
[21:27] <Kilos> it includes all the fixes
[21:27] <Kilos> and security stuff
[21:28] <Kilos> so any bug that was there gets fixed
[21:29] <PietPompies> nice and fast with the local server
[21:29] <Kilos> which one are you using
[21:29] <Kilos> there are a few
[21:30] <PietPompies> no idea - za.archive.ubuntu.com
[21:30] <Kilos> ya thats good
[21:30] <Kilos> also you can look in synaptic package manager
[21:31] <Kilos> type in wireless in the search block and it will show whats available
[21:32] <PietPompies> I'll just need to wait for the update to complete
[21:32] <Kilos> might be something specific to your hardware there
[21:32] <PietPompies> It can't get a lock
[21:32] <PietPompies> with the updates running
[21:32] <Kilos> most likely it will work after upgrading
[21:32] <Kilos> 200m is lots that wasnt fully updated
[21:33] <PietPompies> I'm trying to think when last I updated - I don't think it was that long ago
[21:33] <PietPompies> but it's quite a bit, yes
[21:34] <Kilos> yes but if you dont refresh/reload the update manager it doesnt see new updates
[21:34] <PietPompies> One of the many things I've learnt tonight!
[21:34] <Kilos> sudo apt-get update gets them all
[21:35] <Kilos> have you joined our mailing list
[21:35] <PietPompies> nope - where can I add my email?
[21:35] <Kilos> thats normally where guys start off looking for help[
[21:36] <Kilos> ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com
[21:36] <PietPompies> i see... I just got so frustrated with it not working I thought I'd get some live help!
[21:36] <PietPompies> so do I just sent a blank email to that email address?
[21:37] <Kilos> yeah its better here but you also learn from others asking there for help and seeing how they are helped
[21:37] <PietPompies> or with subscribe in the subject
[21:37] <Kilos> you subscribe
[21:37] <Kilos> i have forgotten how already
[21:37] <Kilos> hehe
[21:38] <PietPompies> I'm sure I'll find it on the website
[21:38] <PietPompies> great, update complete
[21:38] <PietPompies> I'll need to restart I think
[21:38] <Kilos> you can just state you problem there as completely as possible and will get help from guys that arent here as well
[21:39] <Kilos> but most are
[21:39] <Kilos> ok i wait and see
[21:39] <PietPompies> great, will be back in 5 min
[21:39] <Kilos>  cool
[21:40]  * plustwo goes through the logs (backlogs) ...
[21:42] <Kilos> hehe we been chatting the hind leg off this donkey
[21:42] <Kilos> where you been plustwo 
[21:43] <plustwo> Kilos: most of the time on courses
[21:43] <Kilos> ah
[21:44] <plustwo> plus away from work...
[21:44] <plustwo> tiring
[21:45] <plustwo>  @ least I wasn't china
[21:45] <Kilos> hehe
[21:45] <plustwo> in China
[21:46] <plustwo> I'm using a touch screen & typing errors are such huge
[21:48] <Kilos> these modern things are too much for me
[21:48] <Kilos> like my boet has a bb fone
[21:48] <Kilos> what a pain
[21:48] <plustwo> heh... hence called high-tech
[21:49] <Kilos> yay PietPompies wb
[21:49] <PietPompies> sorry for delay - rebooted twice
[21:49] <Kilos> np
[21:49] <PietPompies> still no luck!
[21:49] <Kilos> eish
[21:49] <Kilos> send one mail to the lists
[21:49] <PietPompies> but at boot up, it said not all networking functionality activated
[21:50] <PietPompies> or something to that effect
[21:50] <PietPompies> it was looking for network configuration
[21:50] <Kilos> ah now you can find what to activate
[21:50] <PietPompies> haha, and so the quest continues!      I'll play around with it a bit over the weekend 
[21:51] <PietPompies> Anyhow, I should also be off to bed - work awaits tomorrow
[21:51] <Kilos> sleep tight PietPompies 
[21:51] <PietPompies> hehehe, jy ook Ook Kilos
[21:51] <Kilos> nice meeting you
[21:51] <PietPompies> *Oom
[21:51] <Kilos> haha dont you also start that
[21:51] <PietPompies> you too, and thanks again for all the help and patience
[21:52] <Kilos> yw
[21:52] <PietPompies> hehehe, when in Rome...
[21:52] <Kilos> lol
[21:52] <PietPompies> I'll update next week if I've made any progress
[21:52] <Kilos> good luck
[21:52] <PietPompies> enjoy the rest of your week
[21:52] <Kilos> you too lad
[21:52] <PietPompies> thanks
[21:53] <PietPompies> cheers!
[21:53] <Kilos> toods
[21:53] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight
[21:53] <plustwo> cheers. gudnite oomph 
[21:53] <Kilos> lol
[21:54] <plustwo> *oom