[05:35] fp [12:53] hi all [16:28] hmm... netsplit [16:28] The internet broke [16:30] yikes [16:30] hi nlsthzn [16:30] Hey inetpro :) [16:31] I see the guys are running around with duct tape to fix it [16:35] hi inetpro, nlsthzn [16:35] Yup was a funny comment from freenode :) [16:36] Hi superfly :) [16:59] well [16:59] were on the cool side [17:10] Mezenir: were on the cool side? Your sentence lacks a subject [17:17] Haha. [17:49] hi superfly, Mezenir, cocooncrash, et al [17:49] cocooncrash: wb [18:01] :O [18:01] is you people okey? [18:02] oh, cool, cool side [18:02] et ali ban. [18:06] :> I fell in love with Gnome 3 again [18:08] Interesting time ahead in Ubuntu with Unity being refined and now HUD... [18:11] nlsthzn: ya, saw that. I don't know if I look forward to it too much [18:11] hi nuvolari [18:11] nlsthzn: I agree it looks damn nice [18:11] it's like CLI for GUI, which doesn't feel right [18:11] lo inetpro! [18:11] just hope it is as practical as it looks [18:12] Tried it out in VBox... still a but too early to tell [18:12] I think it can work [18:12] hmm, maybe I should find a video, the screenshots maybe gave me the wrong idea [18:12] showed the wife as she uses gimp a lot and she really likes the idea... can get lost in those menus :) [18:12] the video is very cool [18:13] omgubuntu has the video [18:15] nuvolari: see http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/939 [18:16] inetpro: :) [18:16] or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_WW-DHqR3c [18:16] cocooncrash: how's the weather up north? [18:17] inetpro: Good, nice and cool [18:17] Maaz: weather for mountain view, ca [18:17] cocooncrash: In Moffett NAS, California at 9:56 AM PST on January 25, 2012: 12°C; Humidity: 89%; Wind: NNW at 6 km/h; Conditions: Mostly Cloudy; Sunrise/set: 7:16 AM PST/5:24 PM PST; Moonrise/set: 8:23 AM PST/8:18 PM PST [18:20] nlsthzn: the only idea that I don't like is that of hiding the entire menu [18:20] cocooncrash: always good to see in here [18:21] oooh! interesting, hud-cli :D [18:21] inetpro, well they are all ready hiding it with the global menu... [18:21] it looks much like zsh-functionality though [18:22] I think the cli is more for testing but looks awesome [18:23] Yikes! [18:23] at about 26s into the video they are advertising IE? [18:23] ? [18:27] or rather 28 seconds into the video [18:29] on youtube? [18:37] nlsthzn: yep, that youtube link above [18:37] oh ok :) [18:38] check the ad on the OMGubuntu site [18:39] in the video, that is [18:49] wb drussell [18:49] inetpro: hey :o) [18:49] inetpro: how's things? [18:56] drussell: good and yourself? [18:57] * inetpro is struggling with internet connectivity this evening [18:57] rainy weather in Pretoria [18:57] inetpro: good too! [18:57] inetpro: hehe strangely enough I've been struggling with internet connectivity all day today [18:58] inetpro: been manning a stand and running demos @ "Cloud Expo Europe" but the internet access has been awful [18:59] inetpro: even 3G was swamped so couldn't rely on phone/data either! [18:59] sounds interesting though [18:59] inetpro: yup, not bad, it's my third year running at the event... though previous years I was representing another company ;o) [18:59] (ssssshhhh Red Hat sssssshhhhh) ;o) [18:59] drussell: a Canonical stand? [19:00] eish [19:00] inetpro: yup Canonical/Ubuntu [19:00] ahh [19:00] :-) [19:00] many people around? [19:01] inetpro: yeah, quite a few, certainly the busiest so far out of the 3 years [19:01] nice [19:04] hiya superfly et al [19:05] hey nlsthzn you at work? [19:05] Hi uncle Kilos ... nope at home for a change :) [19:05] ah thats nice [19:05] hi Guest62405 [19:06] Hi [19:06] Looking for help on a issue... would this be the place...? [19:06] Kilos: good evening oom [19:06] ubuntu or linux issues yes Guest62405 [19:06] hi there inetpro hows things [19:07] Guest62405: don't ask to ask, just ask [19:07] Kilos: good and you? [19:07] good ty my buddy [19:07] thanks - I'm trying to create a personal hotspot using laptop & 3G modem, running Unbuntu 11.10 [19:08] problem is when I click "use as hotspot" under wireless settings, nothing happens [19:09] it creates a hotspot connection under wireless connections, but doesn't connect to anything and isn't picked up by any of my other wireless devices [19:09] Guest62405: hmm... I didn't even know about that option [19:09] hehe Guest62405 just be patient, one of the brains here will help you [19:09] never to old to learn [19:10] i dont even know what a hotspot is [19:10] hehehe, thanks! [19:10] :-) [19:10] what is it used for Guest62405 [19:11] I want to create a local wifi network to connect to the internet through my laptop [19:11] Kilos: it's like creating a wireless router so other machines can connect to the internet via the hotspot [19:11] ah [19:12] without a router? [19:12] yup [19:12] how they gonna connect to each other [19:12] cable? [19:12] using wireless [19:12] Guest62405: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Adhoc ; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessAccessPoint [19:12] oh i see ty [19:12] hi zeref [19:13] hi Kilos [19:13] thanks, I'll have a look at the link [19:14] Guest62405, i see you came here via your browser, you can install xchat and make life easier [19:15] but Guest62405: in network-manager there is an option to create a new wireless option, did ou use that? [19:15] i tried... without success... I'm still a real newbie! [19:15] i did fiddle with network manager [19:16] but didn't have much luck [19:19] hmmm [19:19] The link requires me to install server edition - I was hoping for a simpler solution [19:19] The net suggests that it should be quite easy [19:20] might this help? [19:20] https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/serverguide/C/network-configuration.html [19:22] zeref, you in heaven with the lappy as compared to the old pc? [19:32] wb bakuman [19:35] hi oom Kilos [19:35] naandse :> [19:35] nuvolari, hoe gaan dit seun? [19:35] gaan goed dankie oom [19:35] net bietjie warm vanaand [19:35] goed dankie [19:36] baie lekker hier, ons het nou nou n donderstorm gehad [19:36] dis lekker. Ek soul like van bietjie afkoel hier! [19:36] hehe [19:37] dis die "aircon" wat julle so laat sukkel [19:37] lugreeling goeters [19:38] verseker [19:38] guest, you the same one with wireless probs? [19:39] maar sonder dit sou ons dooi [19:39] yup... [19:39] dankie vir die hulp so ver [19:39] ek sukkel maar nog aan [19:39] hierdie goed bietjie bou my kennis [19:40] guest, instaleer xchat en word een van ons ubuntu mense [19:40] nuvolari, wat weet jy van die wireless vpn settings [19:40] ek het probeer, maar ek sukkel laat die dinge "connect" [19:41] my settings is seker nie reg nie [19:41] jy moet scroll na freenode toe en dan edit en #ubuntu-za in tik [19:41] hmm. waai settings gebruik jy guest? [19:41] ja, luister vir oom Kilos. Wysheid in die grysheid [19:42] onder servers het ek irc.freenode.net/8001 [19:42] hja dis reg [19:42] favourite channels #ununtu-za [19:42] #ubuntu-za [19:42] ja en dan connect [19:42] Nickname: sommer iets random [19:43] moet hier na toe kmo [19:43] Kilos: Lappy is moms, she wanted me to fix stuff, still have pc [19:43] nee man nie sommer enigiets nie jy gaan baie hier kom kuier [19:43] aw [19:44] *** checking indent [19:44] guest kies n lekker nick [19:44] *** couldn't look up your hostname [19:44] dit sal deur kom [19:44] my voda maak ook so [19:44] ek op Cell C [19:44] dit sal werk [19:45] wag net bietjie [19:45] gee heeltyd selfde fout, sal hom los laat hy aangaan [19:45] watse fout? [19:45] *** couldn't look up your hostname [19:45] dan disconnect hy weer [19:46] dit maak nie saak nie dit sal deaur kom [19:46] myne gaan verby dit [19:46] guest: favourite channels #ubuntu-za nie #ununtu-za [19:46] lol [19:46] ha ha welkom piet [19:46] welkom PietPompies [19:47] awesome, daar gaan hy deur [19:47] dit vat party keer n rukkie [19:47] Beter as guest neem ek aan! [19:47] ja so bietjie [19:47] jou nick is nick? [19:48] you an engelsman that goois the taal [19:49] Yup, I throws it far [19:50] Engelse ouers, Afrikaans skool [19:50] 100% baster [19:50] ok now we just need someone to give you the vpn settings for network manager [19:50] where are you PietPompies [19:50] Century City [19:50] in Cape Town [19:50] where is that? [19:51] ah [19:51] yourself? [19:51] there are lotsa ubuntu peeps in capetown area [19:51] ptown [19:51] Pta [19:51] I was initially on a CT IRC, but it was dead [19:51] yeah we all use freenode [19:51] ah, ek weet net dis die wereld van blou bloed [19:52] hehe [19:52] never been there [19:52] I don't think 11.10 has network manager (?) [19:53] It's got network and "network connections" [19:53] inetpro, have you any idea what the vpn settings are for wireless in vpn in nm [19:53] hmm... [19:53] doesnt it come up in your top panel [19:53] sorry, was busy with other stuffs [19:53] np [19:53] no man, why setup any vpn seetings? [19:54] he wants to use wireless inetpro [19:54] the guides just tell you to open "networks" and select "Use as Hotspot" [19:54] should be as easy as, connect with USB to internet and then press "Use as Hotspot" [19:54] as I mentioned, this creates a new connection under wireless connections, but nothing further happens [19:55] maybe it isnt seeing a wireless connection [19:55] PietPompies: why are you tryng to create the hotspot, do you have something else that also needs a web connection? [19:56] Yes, I want to connect my iphone and ipad through the 3G connection [19:56] I don't have adsl [19:56] some am trying to share the connection with all my other devices in the house [19:56] there is an ap mode gui? [19:56] *so [19:56] have you tried scanning for a wireless network on these devices after having pressed "Use as Hotspot" on Ubuntu? [19:57] yes, it doesn't pick anything up [19:57] when I click "use as hotspot", the "configure" button doesn't become active either [19:57] I haven't tried it yet., so unfortunately can't help much [19:57] then there isnt one in the area? [19:57] perhaps some settings needed [19:58] the fone should see if there is one in the area but you need pin numbers for them i think [19:58] it is a bit of a strange one - I didn't see anyone else having such a problem on the forums [19:58] yes, thats why I want to create my own [19:58] also safer for banking, etc [19:59] if there isnt a wireless tower in your area you wont get anything [20:00] you need to get a signal from one first [20:00] not all wifi cards can be used as hotspots [20:00] thanks Tonberry - that may be my problem then [20:01] maybe [20:01] maybe try contact the wug in that area [20:02] they should tell you if there is coverage where you are [20:02] Kilos: nee [20:02] o? [20:02] Kilos: the hotspot will be created on his Ubuntu machine [20:02] his ubuntu machine will thus act as a wireless router [20:03] exactly [20:03] yeah but if it cant see a wireless tower anywhere how can it connect to the internet [20:03] or that was the plan... [20:03] nee [20:03] am i missing something [20:03] Kilos: no wireless towers involved here [20:03] 3g in wifi out [20:03] connect to internet using 3G data stick [20:03] aha [20:04] then use pc as a hotspot [20:04] for my other devices [20:04] Kilos: except for the USB connecting to a 3G wireless tower [20:04] do the devices see the pc? [20:04] maybe the wireless card isnt activated [20:04] not under wireless [20:05] let me quickly check bluetooth [20:05] bt is fast i got 3m/s here [20:05] Kilos: a wifi access point (or hotspot) has a range of about 20 meters [20:05] ah [20:06] bt is less [20:06] I think I'm trying to do something that I don't properly understand... [20:06] thats how you learn [20:06] but dammit its frustrating! [20:07] PietPompies: what laptop do you have? [20:07] toshiba satellite L300 [20:08] also got a lenovo running windows 7 Starter, which microsoft disabled the hotspot functionality on [20:08] hence my attempt to do it through Ubuntu [20:09] PietPompies: Just a simple question: Have you activated the WLAN card using the hardware switch on the notebook and key combination FN+F8? [20:10] the switch is on [20:10] FN+F8 doesn't seem to have any effect - don't think the shortcut works in Ubunut [20:10] Ubuntu [20:10] Ubuntu picks up that the wireless is on [20:11] hen try the fone to search again [20:12] phone doesn't pick it up [20:12] I've got an old router that I plugged in - the phone picks that up [20:13] PietPompies: I think it's a bug [20:13] PietPompies: it was working under 11.04 [20:13] PietPompies: but I've just found that exact same issue under 11.10 and 12.04 earlier today [20:13] ah... looks like I didn't look hard enough then [20:14] can you send me the link of someone who had a similar issue? [20:16] don't suppose it's possible to back track to 10.04 [20:16] 11.04 [20:16] lo plustwo [20:17] oom Kilos how are you doing? [20:17] hi everyone ... [20:17] well ty and you plustwo [20:17] o/ [20:18] PietPompies, have you tried connecting via btooth yet? [20:18] yes - no luck [20:19] do ifones have bt? [20:19] yup [20:19] and they dont see each other? [20:19] you need to tell the pc bt to search [20:20] ah, the bluetooth is greyed out [20:20] maybe you need to plug a bt dongle in [20:21] I wonder if it isn't a compatibility issue, similar to what drussell mentioned [20:21] dunno if that lappy has one internally [20:21] do you have a usb bt dongle [20:21] nope [20:21] unfortunately [20:21] eish [20:22] the iPhone can act as a hotspot, so perhaps my solution is just to buy large databundles for it [20:22] isnt it slower then a modem [20:23] plustwo: good evening [20:23] that isnt solving the prob how are you gonna get the lappy to see the iphone [20:23] no, it's quite fast if the signal is strong enough [20:23] I'll just let it be to be honest [20:23] plustwo: have you perhaps played with the hotspot function on Ubuntu 11.10? [20:24] mostly use the windows laptop [20:25] how do you search for wireless networks in 11.10? [20:25] PietPompies: see http://www.bigfatostrich.com/2011/10/solved-ubuntu-11-10-wireless-issues/ [20:25] perhaps it can help [20:25] inetpro, ls -la will see if there is a bt in that lappy hey? [20:26] ah [20:26] whoa. activity like mad! [20:26] nuvolari: wb [20:26] lol jy slaap [20:26] pffft, ek slaap nie [20:26] hehe [20:26] hhet 'n composition gemaak [20:26] *het [20:27] van kiekies wat ek vandag geneem het [20:27] en met 'n halwe oog fliek gekyk [20:27] if you snooze you lose [20:27] PietPompies: just take that with a pinch of salt since you don't have the same hardware [20:28] was net drrrr, drrrr peeeeee! drrr drrr! Boef! drrr peeee doef! [20:28] PietPompies: I think I've found the solution [20:28] PietPompies: or at least a workarounde [20:28] PietPompies: http://askubuntu.com/questions/64494/wired-connection-shared-with-other-computers-connects-then-disconnects-in-11-10 [20:28] thanks inetpro - this looks promising [20:29] * nuvolari craves for milk [20:29] baby [20:29] nuvolari: good idea [20:29] babies [20:30] Maaz, coffee on [20:30] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [20:30] thanks drussell - I saw this post. From what I could pickup the solution was to kill dnsmasq. It's not running on my pc [20:30] PietPompies: it works as part of the network manager connection sharing [20:31] The workaround for now is to set IPv6 options to Ignore and then sudo killall dnsmasq. Reconnect and it should work. [20:31] PietPompies: the key bit is "IPv6 options to Ignore" [20:31] still sounds like firestarter's connection sharing is the simplest :P [20:31] nuvolari: he needs wifi to work [20:32] bye squi[tab] [20:32] inetpro: connection sharing over wifi, or is it a different kind of issue? [20:33] nuvolari: yep [20:33] nuvolari: but with the ubuntu acting as a wifi hotspot [20:34] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [20:34] Maaz, ty [20:34] You are welcome Kilos [20:35] PietPompies: also read the bug comments at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/865001 [20:35] lots of chatter tonight [20:35] is network manager the same as "network" in 11.10? [20:35] http://mylinuxramblings.wordpress.com/2011/10/16/how-to-stop-ubuntu-11-10-wireless-dr [20:36] PietPompies: nope [20:36] Kilos: good find [20:36] * drussell subscribes [20:37] if I type network manager into the search, nothing comes up [20:37] PietPompies: I've just tested it here, the workaround above certainly fixes it [20:38] PietPompies: you're connecting your laptop via wired? and then trying to share that wired connection via your laptops wireless connection, yes? [20:38] connecting via 3G [20:38] then trying to share via wireless [20:38] PietPompies: ahh ok, yup, same principle [20:39] PietPompies: I'm actually doing exactly the same thing here [20:39] PietPompies: just tested with 11.10 and 12.04 [20:40] awesome - so you recommend this: The workaround for now is to set IPv6 options to Ignore and then sudo killall dnsmasq. Reconnect and it should work. [20:40] Kilos: that link of yours is interesting but I don't think is related [20:40] aw sorry [20:40] i try [20:40] PietPompies: try it [20:40] inetpro: I think it is, it seems to be reporting the exact issue [20:41] hmm [20:41] inetpro: it's the outgoing/shared connection that's at fault, doesn't matter what the incoming supply connection is [20:41] i know how frustrating it can be when things dont work and for young fellas its even worse [20:42] and i like seeing ubuntu work where windows cant [20:42] hahaha, I'd think it's worse for the older generation - they've had enough practice on most things to know how it works (technology excluded) [20:42] but patience is lacking in the young ones [20:43] * inetpro needs some sleep [20:43] won't deny that [20:44] * plustwo is now releaved the Vodacom connection works better on the tablet [20:44] ok inetpro sleep tight. ty for the help and chats [20:44] visit more often [20:44] PietPompies: good luck out there, and do come back soon even if your problems are gone [20:44] the workaround doesn't work for me [20:44] aw [20:44] thanks very much for all your help! [20:44] and donating some of your evening for hopefully a worthy cause [20:44] np [20:45] yes PietPompies we like to see new blood here [20:45] good night [20:45] nag boetie [20:45] good night [20:45] I thought Wed night was "klein Saterdag"! [20:45] PietPompies: hmm.... you've set IPv6 to ignore? [20:45] yes [20:46] I'll take you through exactly what I do [20:46] firstly delete all wireless connections in "network connections" [20:46] inetpro I haven't played around with 11.10 wifi stuff (hotspots) [20:47] then click wireless - "use as hotspot" in Networks [20:47] a wireless connection appears under wireless in Network connections [20:47] but there is no active connection [20:47] and last used = never [20:48] network connections icon does look greyed out though [20:48] PietPompies: one sec let me test something... [20:48]