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| dholbach | good morning | 07:39 |
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| head_victim | dholbach: ping | 11:18 |
| dholbach | head_victim, pong | 11:46 |
| czajkowski | head_victim: moderated your email | 11:47 |
| head_victim | dholbach: ah was just going to get an opinion on it before sending and you were the last council member I saw talk anywhere :) | 11:50 |
| head_victim | czajkowski: cheers | 11:50 |
| head_victim | FIngers crossed we begin some forward motion on the topic. | 11:51 |
| dholbach | I'm in the middle of four other things right now, but I'll have a look later on | 11:55 |
| dholbach | thanks for pinging about it | 11:56 |
| head_victim | dholbach: no dramas, was thinking of having it proofed but now it's sent it's less urgent. | 11:58 |
| head_victim | Sorry it's taken a while to get it out there. | 11:58 |
| dholbach | no worries | 11:58 |
| czajkowski | nigelb: your mail is moderated | 12:02 |
| nigelb | czajkowski: Thanks :) | 12:03 |
| czajkowski | np | 12:03 |
| nigelb | czajkowski: Sorry about being late, its been a crazy week | 12:04 |
| czajkowski | np | 12:04 |
| bkerensa | dholbach: http://paste.ubuntu.com/817529/ =/ | 12:04 |
| dholbach | bkerensa: I have none of these packages installed over here | 12:05 |
| bkerensa | hmm well I'm trying to login with unity but the option is no longer listed in the lighdm login screen | 12:05 |
| dholbach | the first one have been removed | 12:06 |
| dholbach | is the unity package installed? | 12:06 |
| dholbach | ah no, I'm sorry - indicator-appmenu I do have installed | 12:06 |
| dholbach | but indicator-applet and indicator-applet-complete seem to have been removed from precise | 12:07 |
| bkerensa | I have not uninstalled unity but its not showing oddly | 12:08 |
| bkerensa | :P | 12:08 |
| bkerensa | and when I try installing it gives me some nonsense about libindicator3-7 being uninstallable | 12:08 |
| bkerensa | Login options used to be Ubuntu and Ubuntu 2D plus Classic and Classic (No Effects) but when I went to try Unity today so I can see how HUD works I noticed Unity disappeared | 12:08 |
| dholbach | install it :) | 12:08 |
| dholbach | which mirror do you use? | 12:09 |
| popey | bkerensa: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^ | 12:09 |
| popey | to make sure you're not missing anything | 12:09 |
| popey | (the caret is important) | 12:09 |
| bkerensa | popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/817539/ | 12:12 |
| bkerensa | no go =/ | 12:12 |
| popey | bkerensa: apt-cache show unity | 12:13 |
| popey | bkerensa: also pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list | 12:14 |
| bkerensa | popey: Result http://paste.ubuntu.com/817540/ | 12:14 |
| bkerensa | k | 12:14 |
| bkerensa | sources.list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/817542/ | 12:15 |
| bkerensa | sources.list.d: http://paste.ubuntu.com/817543/ | 12:15 |
| popey | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors | 12:16 |
| popey | shows the mirror you're using is probably outdated | 12:16 |
| popey | switch to a main mirror and update again | 12:16 |
| bkerensa | I see | 12:17 |
| popey | does it fail if you just "sudo apt-get install unity" ? | 12:17 |
| bkerensa | yes | 12:20 |
| popey | bummer | 12:20 |
| bkerensa | =o) | 12:21 |
| bkerensa | well 536 updates | 12:22 |
| bkerensa | just by changing mirrors | 12:22 |
| bkerensa | :D | 12:22 |
| bkerensa | Do mirror providers not have some sort of obligation to sync with main every so often? | 12:22 |
| s-fox | dholbach - I have sent you the forum stats for last year. | 12:35 |
| dholbach | s-fox, awesome, thanks muchly! :) | 12:35 |
| s-fox | July had a big surge on new registered users, but you'll see that yourself. | 12:36 |
| dholbach | maybe new people who tried out Ubuntu during the summer holidays :) | 12:37 |
| s-fox | Maybe, but the number of new threads didn't increase that much. :) | 12:37 |
| s-fox | Almost like they registered, but never did anything more. | 12:38 |
| dholbach | hm ok | 12:39 |
| s-fox | bit weird, haha ;) | 12:40 |
| s-fox | I am going to see if I can pull some details for those who registed. Perhaps we got hit by a bot creating accounts. | 12:41 |
| dholbach | sure, if it interests you - don't do it just for me - I feel like I asked for enough already :) | 12:41 |
| dholbach | I don't know how hard it is to do, but maybe there's a way to do a cleanup every now and then, let's say a user who didn't post anything after 6 months - maybe there's even a plugin for that | 12:42 |
| s-fox | I would seriously be against that, we have several known users who haven't posted in over a year but still do login to check threads / mails etc. | 12:43 |
| s-fox | I would add that having a "dormant" accounts doesn't really hurt us ;) | 12:44 |
| dholbach | ok | 12:44 |
| dholbach | :) | 12:44 |
| bkerensa | Its like Pandora for cats | 14:08 |
| dholbach | WOW | 15:15 |
| dholbach | Heise writes about UDW: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Ubuntu-Developer-Week-fuer-Ubuntu-12-04-1422539.html | 15:15 |
| dholbach | now we'll get loads of Germans ;-) | 15:15 |
| bkerensa | awesome :D | 15:17 |
| dholbach | yeah, that's one of the biggest tech news sites in Germany | 15:17 |
| dholbach | I was a bit surprised | 15:17 |
| dholbach | but now we might even get the best out of it :) | 15:17 |
| bkerensa | We need some Russian developers | 15:18 |
| bkerensa | they are amazing at coding | 15:18 |
| dholbach | The H too: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Ubuntu-Developer-Week-for-12-04-Precise-Pangolin-announced-1422218.html | 15:19 |
| jcastro | Daviey: hey | 15:26 |
| Daviey | hey mr castro | 15:28 |
| Daviey | jcastro: | 15:28 |
| jcastro | Daviey: why does #ubuntu-cloud exist? | 15:28 |
| jcastro | it's not a trick question | 15:28 |
| jcastro | I just wonder why we keep splitting our communities into hairs | 15:29 |
| Daviey | jcastro: legacy | 15:30 |
| Daviey | jcastro: there was ALSO #ubuntu-virt a while ago. | 15:30 |
| Daviey | I'd be happy for #ubuntu-cloud to redirect to #ubuntu-server TBH | 15:30 |
| Daviey | #ubuntu-virt is now dead btw | 15:30 |
| jcastro | ok | 15:31 |
| jcastro | Daviey: ok so what do I do, just talk to ubuntu-irc? | 15:39 |
| Daviey | jcastro: hold fire. | 15:46 |
| Daviey | jcastro: i'll add it to the ubuntu-server teams agenda for discussion next meeting (tues) | 15:47 |
| * jcastro nods | 15:47 | |
| popey | Lets have a meeting about it! | 15:48 |
| jcastro | popey: that's the difference between guys like us | 15:48 |
| Daviey | popey: hmm, maybe this falls into you remit? | 15:48 |
| jcastro | and Daviey. :) | 15:48 |
| Daviey | popey: slashing resources people use, is your job, right? ;) | 15:49 |
| jcastro | no one is using it | 15:49 |
| Daviey | it /does/ get used... | 15:49 |
| Daviey | (not by me.) | 15:49 |
| popey | pffft | 15:51 |
| popey | also | 15:51 |
| popey | I am trying to file a bug in bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website | 15:51 |
| popey | you are not helping! :D | 15:52 |
| JanC | http://coworking.betagroup.be/hosting-the-fosdem-participants/ --> if you know any Ubuntu developers/teams that want to sit together to work/discuss/etc. on Friday or Monday before/after FOSDEM... | 15:58 |
| jcastro | bkerensa: nice work on that dev update dude | 16:32 |
| bkerensa | jcastro: dholbach is a great teacher | 16:35 |
| bkerensa | :P | 16:35 |
| dholbach | nono, I'm not :) | 16:35 |
| dholbach | but it's definitely more fun writing those dev updates together | 16:36 |
| bkerensa | indeed | 16:37 |
| jcastro | do you guys etherpad? | 16:37 |
| bkerensa | dholbach: You are going to be at UDS? | 16:38 |
| bkerensa | jcastro: Google Docs | 16:38 |
| dholbach | bkerensa, yep | 16:40 |
| bkerensa | dholbach: Well I hope to go... Would be a good learning opp | 16:41 |
| dholbach | yeah | 16:42 |
| daker | jcastro, the link is wrong here http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2012/01/openstack-jenkins-dashboard-available-for-testing/ | 16:47 |
| jcastro | yikes, ON IT | 16:48 |
| technoviking | dholbach: your thread should be sticky | 16:49 |
| * dholbach hugs technoviking | 16:49 | |
| dholbach | sweet | 16:49 |
| bkerensa | dholbach: If while fixing a bug a fixer sees another bug can they fix both or should one open another bug report then fix both and submit patch? | 17:05 |
| dholbach | as you like it, really | 17:06 |
| bkerensa | ok | 17:08 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: hangout invite sent | 17:28 |
| jcastro | dholbach: around? | 17:32 |
| dholbach | yes | 17:33 |
| jcastro | do you have a link to the first patch pilot email you ever sent? | 17:33 |
| jcastro | mhall would like to implement that for DX | 17:33 |
| jcastro | and we're looking for a template on how to yell at people | 17:33 |
| jcastro | I mean .... collaborate. :) | 17:33 |
| dholbach | I think it was Rick who mailed the whole team | 17:34 |
| dholbach | but afterwards I sent a "here's how it works mail" | 17:34 |
| jcastro | ah I see those now | 17:35 |
| jcastro | sending them to mhall | 17:35 |
| jcastro | thanks! | 17:35 |
| dholbach | de nada | 17:35 |
| dholbach | jcastro, you just forwarded a mail from myself to me? :) | 17:36 |
| jcastro | oops! | 17:37 |
| jcastro | I was forwarding all your work to mhall | 17:38 |
| mhall119 | thanks dholbach | 17:38 |
| jcastro | so he can implement it for dx | 17:38 |
| dholbach | mhall119, de nada | 17:38 |
| dholbach | alright my friends | 17:40 |
| dholbach | I call it a day - see you all tomorrow | 17:41 |
| * popey hugs dholbach | 17:45 | |
| * dholbach hugs popey back | 17:47 | |
| s-fox | Goodbye. | 18:02 |
| akgraner | jcastro - could you take a look at the syndication settings for cloud.u.c again - there is still non-ubuntu related stuff hitting the planet? | 18:11 |
| jcastro | WHAT | 18:12 |
| jcastro | I fixed that | 18:12 |
| jcastro | let me check | 18:12 |
| jcastro | oh | 18:12 |
| jcastro | I posted those | 18:12 |
| jcastro | the charm school one and the openstack one? | 18:12 |
| jcastro | I wrote those | 18:12 |
| pleia2 | those are great, these ones are not: | 18:13 |
| jcastro | what you won't see are the company syndicated ones, etc. | 18:13 |
| akgraner | nope - http://www.cloudave.com/16853/next-iteration-of-paas-will-amazon-join-that-race/ | 18:13 |
| pleia2 | http://www.cloudave.com/16853/next-iteration-of-paas-will-amazon-join-that-race/ | 18:13 |
| pleia2 | http://gigaom.com/cloud/should-nosql-startups-be-afraid-of-dynamodb/ | 18:13 |
| pleia2 | http://www.cloudave.com/?guid=e5727405f6062ebb866e6a4b3f38d291 | 18:13 |
| pleia2 | ^^ those all hit the planet RSS feed this week | 18:13 |
| jcastro | right | 18:13 |
| jcastro | but I fixed that | 18:13 |
| pleia2 | the last one ended up in the rss feed yesterday | 18:13 |
| jcastro | I just fixed that at scale | 18:13 |
| pleia2 | the other two from "2 days ago" | 18:14 |
| jcastro | ah, ok well by default now on cloud.u.c we don't use the planet tag | 18:14 |
| pleia2 | ok, I'll let you know if another one shows up | 18:14 |
| jcastro | I don't see them on planet right now | 18:14 |
| jcastro | and the oldest post goes to the 21st? | 18:14 |
| jcastro | did they initially show up and then disappear? | 18:15 |
| pleia2 | the date of these articles is mostly the 20th, but they ended up in the RSS feed this week | 18:15 |
| jcastro | I think that was my fault, I told robbie to use a certain tag and it was misconfigured in the blog | 18:16 |
| jcastro | but I think on saturday I fixed it | 18:16 |
| jcastro | and I just posted guidelines to the cloud list | 18:16 |
| jcastro | so if it happens from now on it's either my fault or robbies. | 18:16 |
| jcastro | there should be no automated stuff going on | 18:16 |
| pleia2 | ok, thanks for looking into it | 18:16 |
| jcastro | I shall endeavour to suck less | 18:16 |
| jcastro | theoretically the only ones you should see is the ones I post by hand, which are going to be ubuntu related. | 18:17 |
| jcastro | no more gigaom, etc. etc. | 18:17 |
| akgraner | jcastro, thank you! | 18:18 |
| jcastro | note that this is how I set it up last time | 18:18 |
| jcastro | and I failed. | 18:18 |
| jcastro | :) | 18:19 |
| jcastro | third time is a charm though, I can't fail this time! | 18:19 |
| akgraner | jcastro, you said "charm" :-) | 18:19 |
| jcastro | hah that was totally on accident | 18:20 |
| akgraner | :-) | 18:20 |
| akgraner | jcastro - is there a wiki page for the super user information/goals etc | 19:25 |
| jcastro | superuser? | 19:26 |
| akgraner | yep that's it | 19:26 |
| jcastro | I don't get the question | 19:26 |
| akgraner | you know more that beginner user but not a developer | 19:26 |
| akgraner | I though there was an Ubuntu Superuser group effort or something like that? | 19:27 |
| akgraner | maybe I am making that up? | 19:27 |
| jcastro | oh | 19:27 |
| jcastro | poweruser thing? | 19:27 |
| jcastro | yeah there's a mailing list | 19:27 |
| akgraner | ahh that's it - /me needs caffeine it seems | 19:28 |
| * balloons is listening | 19:34 | |
| akgraner | jcastro, thanks | 19:36 |
| akgraner | mhall119, do you have a list of all the current lenses available Unity or know where I can find the list? | 19:37 |
| mhall119 | akgraner: I have a list, not sure if it's all | 19:37 |
| akgraner | I hear you are the lense knowledge base :-) | 19:37 |
| akgraner | mhall119, would you mind sharing it with me - we are starting work on the 7th edition of the official Ubuntu Book | 19:38 |
| mhall119 | akgraner: you should have a google docs invite | 19:38 |
| akgraner | thank you! | 19:39 |
| mhall119 | np | 19:39 |
| mhall119 | it's not all of them, but it's what I managed to find | 19:39 |
| mhall119 | I was working on sorting and categorizing them for a blog post | 19:39 |
| akgraner | This is awesome! Thank you so much. | 19:39 |
| mhall119 | :) | 19:39 |
| mhall119 | akgraner: if you end up sorting/categorizing, let me know and I'll help (as long as I can turn around and blog it) | 19:40 |
| akgraner | of course :-) | 19:40 |
| mhall119 | akgraner: also, we're putting together a set of guidelines for "When to make a new lens, and when to reuse one" | 19:40 |
| mhall119 | it should hopefully be done this weekend | 19:40 |
| mhall119 | if that would be of interest | 19:41 |
| akgraner | great! | 19:41 |
| akgraner | oh yes | 19:41 |
| mhall119 | akgraner: slightly related, but lenses will also work on Ubuntu TV (once it's developed enough to support them) | 19:42 |
| mhall119 | as in, the same lenses made for the desktop will be installable on TV | 19:42 |
| akgraner | nice | 19:43 |
| akgraner | yeah we should have a demo of Ubuntu TV on a pandaboard at Connect next month I can't wait to see it | 19:43 |
| mhall119 | sweet, too bad I won't be there to see it | 19:44 |
| mhall119 | akgraner: does Linaro support Rasberry PI? do you know? | 19:44 |
| akgraner | not using the current toolchain Ubuntu and Linaro are on ARM v7 and Raspberry PI is ARM v4 I think - you need to go back to a Maverick build for that | 19:46 |
| popey | bug 848154 | 19:48 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 848154 in ubuntu "ARM version not supporting V6 RaspPi" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/848154 | 19:48 |
| akgraner | thanks popey - I new the ARM versions were different | 19:49 |
| akgraner | knew even :-/ | 19:49 |
| mhall119 | that's what I thought, but I keep seeing articles about RP being able to run Ubuntu | 19:49 |
| popey | yeah, lies | 19:49 |
| akgraner | just drop back to Maverick :-) | 19:49 |
| mhall119 | glad it wasn't me that was mistaken, just a bunch of widely read articles on the internet | 19:49 |
| popey | unfortunately they reported early on in development that they could use ubuntu | 19:50 |
| popey | and that fact stuck | 19:50 |
| mhall119 | ah, I see now | 19:50 |
| akgraner | mhall119, however, let me see what our guys are saying about it and I'll get back to you. | 19:51 |
| AlanBell | mhall119: they are a nice bunch the raspberry pi people | 19:52 |
| mhall119 | akgraner: all I hear from your guys is "Enhance Summit" | 19:52 |
| mhall119 | and then "Change it back!" | 19:53 |
| akgraner | mhall119, :-) | 19:53 |
| mhall119 | akgraner: I don't suppose they've roped you into managing connect scheduling yet have they? | 19:53 |
| AlanBell | mhall119: I thought most of the articles were fixed, I certainly spoke to them really early on and got them to stop saying it would support ubuntu | 19:54 |
| mhall119 | AlanBell: I never went back and checked, I just remember seeign it said and that causing my confusion | 19:54 |
| akgraner | mhall119, um no! | 19:54 |
| mhall119 | heh | 19:55 |
| Pendulum | akgraner: how many people have you paid so that you don't have to manage the connect schedule? | 19:55 |
| mhall119 | btw, if you know of any lenses/scopes not on my list, would you mind adding them to that doc? | 19:55 |
| akgraner | will do | 19:55 |
| mhall119 | thanks | 19:55 |
| akgraner | Pendulum, :-) I'll never tell. | 19:57 |
| mhall119 | Pendulum: probably just cjohnston | 20:02 |
| akgraner | mhall119, debian still has an armv5-targeted port - if you want to pop into #linaro if you need more info or explanations :-) | 20:07 |
| jono | mhall119, how is the Sumo report going | 20:08 |
| jono | will you be ready for our call tomorrow? | 20:08 |
| jono | remember, this needs to be something we can give to the web team | 20:08 |
| mhall119 | jono: I'm putting it together today, it should be ready | 20:08 |
| jono | thanks | 20:08 |
| mhall119 | jono: the isd web team? or the ubuntu.com team? | 20:09 |
| jono | mhall119, the ubuntu.com team | 20:09 |
| jono | I talked to Peter the other day about this | 20:09 |
| jono | taking off back to my day off | 20:09 |
| mhall119 | ok, so a lot of the technologies used are alternatives to what's commonly found in ubuntu | 20:09 |
| jcastro | jono: ok so in my last review I totally missed a blueprint, mine should be set now | 20:33 |
| jono | jcastro, thanks | 20:33 |
| jcastro | I don't get why fixing oxton's wouldn't have plunked the graph, he had like 14 outstanding ones | 20:34 |
| jcastro | http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/u/johnoxton.html | 20:35 |
| jcastro | that should have made a dent | 20:35 |
| balloons | anyone know what version of moinmoin the ubuntu wiki is on? and how can I get the cool WYSISYG editor they have? | 20:39 |
| jcastro | balloons: investigate editmoin | 20:39 |
| jcastro | it lets you open a wiki page in whatever editor you have | 20:39 |
| jcastro | and then when you save it pushes it back to moin | 20:40 |
| jcastro | it's like the only way to fly and remain sane | 20:40 |
| balloons | lol | 20:40 |
| balloons | but look at this: http://moinmo.in/4ct10n/edit/WikiSandBox?action=edit&editor=gui | 20:40 |
| balloons | why don't we have it? | 20:40 |
| balloons | pretty slick, move back and forth between text and gui edit mode.. anyways, thanks for the tip.. I'll look @ editmon | 20:41 |
| jcastro | "why don't we have it?" | 20:42 |
| jcastro | you must be new here. :) | 20:42 |
| jcastro | don't worry, mhall119 is going to fix all our problems | 20:43 |
| mhall119 | lies | 20:44 |
| * balloons thanks mhall119 for being an allstar | 20:44 | |
| balloons | it's like mhall119 don't care, he gonna replace that wiki with sumo | 20:44 |
| mhall119 | which is also a wiki | 20:44 |
| mhall119 | only with mediawiki markup, not moin | 20:45 |
| * balloons would love mediawiki | 20:45 | |
| balloons | editmoin is pretty funny.. I mean, why be stuck with the browser text box when you can use vi! | 20:46 |
| mhall119 | balloons: have you ever used bitbucket? | 20:47 |
| balloons | rofl, i'm going to use the sandbox gui editor and then copy the source back to our wiki | 20:48 |
| balloons | methinks that should work out | 20:48 |
| mhall119 | I want to bzr branch http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Article/ and work on it offline | 20:48 |
| mhall119 | then bzr push my edits | 20:48 |
| balloons | ohh yea | 20:49 |
| balloons | i have an unhealthy disdain for atlassian | 20:49 |
| balloons | and jira..pretty sure I'm the only person in the world who doesn't like jira and finds it painfully annoying | 20:50 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: PopVox + Lens = Win :P | 20:50 |
| balloons | however, that's a good idea to work on stuff offline mhall119.. | 20:50 |
| balloons | you could selfhost your git repo tho on your ec2 box.. | 20:50 |
| mhall119 | bitbucket is awesome, atlassian bought them a year or so ago | 21:32 |
| AlanBell | balloons: we have moin 1.9 | 21:36 |
| AlanBell | the reason it is slow and we don't have good plugins is because the people who control the servers don't use the wiki | 21:37 |
| balloons | AlanBell, thank you. So the gui editor I showed is in the build we're using... | 21:37 |
| AlanBell | same reason the theme doesn't render table borders and has other unfixed bugs | 21:37 |
| balloons | mmm sad | 21:41 |
| AlanBell | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemInfo | 21:42 |
| AlanBell | also http://blog.vinceliu.com/2009/02/reanabling-fckeditor-for-moinmoin-wiki.html | 21:44 |
| balloons | ohh.. pretty http://ckeditor.com/ | 21:54 |
| AlanBell | balloons: the moin theme is here https://code.launchpad.net/canonical-webmonkeys | 21:54 |
| AlanBell | yeah, ckeditor is nice | 21:54 |
| AlanBell | the moin theme was in ubuntu-website, but got sucked into canonical-webmonkeys and they started making changes in production without going through bzr and I couldn't contribute fixes any more | 21:55 |
| balloons | thanks for the info AlanBell | 22:31 |
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