=== nigelb_ is now known as nigelb === mhall119 is now known as mhall119__ [07:39] good morning === danilo_ is now known as danilos [11:18] dholbach: ping [11:46] head_victim, pong [11:47] head_victim: moderated your email [11:50] dholbach: ah was just going to get an opinion on it before sending and you were the last council member I saw talk anywhere :) [11:50] czajkowski: cheers [11:51] FIngers crossed we begin some forward motion on the topic. [11:55] I'm in the middle of four other things right now, but I'll have a look later on [11:56] thanks for pinging about it [11:58] dholbach: no dramas, was thinking of having it proofed but now it's sent it's less urgent. [11:58] Sorry it's taken a while to get it out there. [11:58] no worries [12:02] nigelb: your mail is moderated [12:03] czajkowski: Thanks :) [12:03] np [12:04] czajkowski: Sorry about being late, its been a crazy week [12:04] np [12:04] dholbach: http://paste.ubuntu.com/817529/ =/ [12:05] bkerensa: I have none of these packages installed over here [12:05] hmm well I'm trying to login with unity but the option is no longer listed in the lighdm login screen [12:06] the first one have been removed [12:06] is the unity package installed? [12:06] ah no, I'm sorry - indicator-appmenu I do have installed [12:07] but indicator-applet and indicator-applet-complete seem to have been removed from precise [12:08] I have not uninstalled unity but its not showing oddly [12:08] :P [12:08] and when I try installing it gives me some nonsense about libindicator3-7 being uninstallable [12:08] Login options used to be Ubuntu and Ubuntu 2D plus Classic and Classic (No Effects) but when I went to try Unity today so I can see how HUD works I noticed Unity disappeared [12:08] install it :) [12:09] which mirror do you use? [12:09] bkerensa: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^ [12:09] to make sure you're not missing anything [12:09] (the caret is important) [12:12] popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/817539/ [12:12] no go =/ [12:13] bkerensa: apt-cache show unity [12:14] bkerensa: also pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list [12:14] popey: Result http://paste.ubuntu.com/817540/ [12:14] k [12:15] sources.list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/817542/ [12:15] sources.list.d: http://paste.ubuntu.com/817543/ [12:16] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors [12:16] shows the mirror you're using is probably outdated [12:16] switch to a main mirror and update again [12:17] I see [12:17] does it fail if you just "sudo apt-get install unity" ? [12:20] yes [12:20] bummer [12:21] =o) [12:22] well 536 updates [12:22] just by changing mirrors [12:22] :D [12:22] Do mirror providers not have some sort of obligation to sync with main every so often? [12:35] dholbach - I have sent you the forum stats for last year. [12:35] s-fox, awesome, thanks muchly! :) [12:36] July had a big surge on new registered users, but you'll see that yourself. [12:37] maybe new people who tried out Ubuntu during the summer holidays :) [12:37] Maybe, but the number of new threads didn't increase that much. :) [12:38] Almost like they registered, but never did anything more. [12:39] hm ok [12:40] bit weird, haha ;) [12:41] I am going to see if I can pull some details for those who registed. Perhaps we got hit by a bot creating accounts. [12:41] sure, if it interests you - don't do it just for me - I feel like I asked for enough already :) [12:42] I don't know how hard it is to do, but maybe there's a way to do a cleanup every now and then, let's say a user who didn't post anything after 6 months - maybe there's even a plugin for that [12:43] I would seriously be against that, we have several known users who haven't posted in over a year but still do login to check threads / mails etc. [12:44] I would add that having a "dormant" accounts doesn't really hurt us ;) [12:44] ok [12:44] :) [14:08] Its like Pandora for cats [15:15] WOW [15:15] Heise writes about UDW: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Ubuntu-Developer-Week-fuer-Ubuntu-12-04-1422539.html [15:15] now we'll get loads of Germans ;-) [15:17] awesome :D [15:17] yeah, that's one of the biggest tech news sites in Germany [15:17] I was a bit surprised [15:17] but now we might even get the best out of it :) [15:18] We need some Russian developers [15:18] they are amazing at coding [15:19] The H too: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Ubuntu-Developer-Week-for-12-04-Precise-Pangolin-announced-1422218.html [15:26] Daviey: hey [15:28] hey mr castro [15:28] jcastro: [15:28] Daviey: why does #ubuntu-cloud exist? [15:28] it's not a trick question [15:29] I just wonder why we keep splitting our communities into hairs [15:30] jcastro: legacy [15:30] jcastro: there was ALSO #ubuntu-virt a while ago. [15:30] I'd be happy for #ubuntu-cloud to redirect to #ubuntu-server TBH [15:30] #ubuntu-virt is now dead btw [15:31] ok [15:39] Daviey: ok so what do I do, just talk to ubuntu-irc? [15:46] jcastro: hold fire. [15:47] jcastro: i'll add it to the ubuntu-server teams agenda for discussion next meeting (tues) [15:47] * jcastro nods [15:48] Lets have a meeting about it! [15:48] popey: that's the difference between guys like us [15:48] popey: hmm, maybe this falls into you remit? [15:48] and Daviey. :) [15:49] popey: slashing resources people use, is your job, right? ;) [15:49] no one is using it [15:49] it /does/ get used... [15:49] (not by me.) [15:51] pffft [15:51] also [15:51] I am trying to file a bug in bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website [15:52] you are not helping! :D [15:58] http://coworking.betagroup.be/hosting-the-fosdem-participants/ --> if you know any Ubuntu developers/teams that want to sit together to work/discuss/etc. on Friday or Monday before/after FOSDEM... [16:32] bkerensa: nice work on that dev update dude [16:35] jcastro: dholbach is a great teacher [16:35] :P [16:35] nono, I'm not :) [16:36] but it's definitely more fun writing those dev updates together [16:37] indeed [16:37] do you guys etherpad? [16:38] dholbach: You are going to be at UDS? [16:38] jcastro: Google Docs [16:40] bkerensa, yep [16:41] dholbach: Well I hope to go... Would be a good learning opp [16:42] yeah [16:47] jcastro, the link is wrong here http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2012/01/openstack-jenkins-dashboard-available-for-testing/ [16:48] yikes, ON IT [16:49] dholbach: your thread should be sticky [16:49] * dholbach hugs technoviking [16:49] sweet [17:05] dholbach: If while fixing a bug a fixer sees another bug can they fix both or should one open another bug report then fix both and submit patch? [17:06] as you like it, really [17:08] ok [17:28] jcastro: hangout invite sent [17:32] dholbach: around? [17:33] yes [17:33] do you have a link to the first patch pilot email you ever sent? [17:33] mhall would like to implement that for DX [17:33] and we're looking for a template on how to yell at people [17:33] I mean .... collaborate. :) [17:34] I think it was Rick who mailed the whole team [17:34] but afterwards I sent a "here's how it works mail" [17:35] ah I see those now [17:35] sending them to mhall [17:35] thanks! [17:35] de nada [17:36] jcastro, you just forwarded a mail from myself to me? :) [17:37] oops! [17:38] I was forwarding all your work to mhall [17:38] thanks dholbach [17:38] so he can implement it for dx [17:38] mhall119, de nada [17:40] alright my friends [17:41] I call it a day - see you all tomorrow [17:45] * popey hugs dholbach [17:47] * dholbach hugs popey back [18:02] Goodbye. [18:11] jcastro - could you take a look at the syndication settings for cloud.u.c again - there is still non-ubuntu related stuff hitting the planet? [18:12] WHAT [18:12] I fixed that [18:12] let me check [18:12] oh [18:12] I posted those [18:12] the charm school one and the openstack one? [18:12] I wrote those [18:13] those are great, these ones are not: [18:13] what you won't see are the company syndicated ones, etc. [18:13] nope - http://www.cloudave.com/16853/next-iteration-of-paas-will-amazon-join-that-race/ [18:13] http://www.cloudave.com/16853/next-iteration-of-paas-will-amazon-join-that-race/ [18:13] http://gigaom.com/cloud/should-nosql-startups-be-afraid-of-dynamodb/ [18:13] http://www.cloudave.com/?guid=e5727405f6062ebb866e6a4b3f38d291 [18:13] ^^ those all hit the planet RSS feed this week [18:13] right [18:13] but I fixed that [18:13] the last one ended up in the rss feed yesterday [18:13] I just fixed that at scale [18:14] the other two from "2 days ago" [18:14] ah, ok well by default now on cloud.u.c we don't use the planet tag [18:14] ok, I'll let you know if another one shows up [18:14] I don't see them on planet right now [18:14] and the oldest post goes to the 21st? [18:15] did they initially show up and then disappear? [18:15] the date of these articles is mostly the 20th, but they ended up in the RSS feed this week [18:16] I think that was my fault, I told robbie to use a certain tag and it was misconfigured in the blog [18:16] but I think on saturday I fixed it [18:16] and I just posted guidelines to the cloud list [18:16] so if it happens from now on it's either my fault or robbies. [18:16] there should be no automated stuff going on [18:16] ok, thanks for looking into it [18:16] I shall endeavour to suck less [18:17] theoretically the only ones you should see is the ones I post by hand, which are going to be ubuntu related. [18:17] no more gigaom, etc. etc. [18:18] jcastro, thank you! [18:18] note that this is how I set it up last time [18:18] and I failed. [18:19] :) [18:19] third time is a charm though, I can't fail this time! [18:19] jcastro, you said "charm" :-) [18:20] hah that was totally on accident [18:20] :-) [19:25] jcastro - is there a wiki page for the super user information/goals etc [19:26] superuser? [19:26] yep that's it [19:26] I don't get the question [19:26] you know more that beginner user but not a developer [19:27] I though there was an Ubuntu Superuser group effort or something like that? [19:27] maybe I am making that up? [19:27] oh [19:27] poweruser thing? [19:27] yeah there's a mailing list [19:28] ahh that's it - /me needs caffeine it seems [19:34] * balloons is listening [19:36] jcastro, thanks [19:37] mhall119, do you have a list of all the current lenses available Unity or know where I can find the list? [19:37] akgraner: I have a list, not sure if it's all [19:37] I hear you are the lense knowledge base :-) [19:38] mhall119, would you mind sharing it with me - we are starting work on the 7th edition of the official Ubuntu Book [19:38] akgraner: you should have a google docs invite [19:39] thank you! [19:39] np [19:39] it's not all of them, but it's what I managed to find [19:39] I was working on sorting and categorizing them for a blog post [19:39] This is awesome! Thank you so much. [19:39] :) [19:40] akgraner: if you end up sorting/categorizing, let me know and I'll help (as long as I can turn around and blog it) [19:40] of course :-) [19:40] akgraner: also, we're putting together a set of guidelines for "When to make a new lens, and when to reuse one" [19:40] it should hopefully be done this weekend [19:41] if that would be of interest [19:41] great! [19:41] oh yes [19:42] akgraner: slightly related, but lenses will also work on Ubuntu TV (once it's developed enough to support them) [19:42] as in, the same lenses made for the desktop will be installable on TV [19:43] nice [19:43] yeah we should have a demo of Ubuntu TV on a pandaboard at Connect next month I can't wait to see it [19:44] sweet, too bad I won't be there to see it [19:44] akgraner: does Linaro support Rasberry PI? do you know? [19:46] not using the current toolchain Ubuntu and Linaro are on ARM v7 and Raspberry PI is ARM v4 I think - you need to go back to a Maverick build for that [19:48] bug 848154 [19:48] Launchpad bug 848154 in ubuntu "ARM version not supporting V6 RaspPi" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/848154 [19:49] thanks popey - I new the ARM versions were different [19:49] knew even :-/ [19:49] that's what I thought, but I keep seeing articles about RP being able to run Ubuntu [19:49] yeah, lies [19:49] just drop back to Maverick :-) [19:49] glad it wasn't me that was mistaken, just a bunch of widely read articles on the internet [19:50] unfortunately they reported early on in development that they could use ubuntu [19:50] and that fact stuck [19:50] ah, I see now [19:51] mhall119, however, let me see what our guys are saying about it and I'll get back to you. [19:52] mhall119: they are a nice bunch the raspberry pi people [19:52] akgraner: all I hear from your guys is "Enhance Summit" [19:53] and then "Change it back!" [19:53] mhall119, :-) [19:53] akgraner: I don't suppose they've roped you into managing connect scheduling yet have they? [19:54] mhall119: I thought most of the articles were fixed, I certainly spoke to them really early on and got them to stop saying it would support ubuntu [19:54] AlanBell: I never went back and checked, I just remember seeign it said and that causing my confusion [19:54] mhall119, um no! [19:55] heh [19:55] akgraner: how many people have you paid so that you don't have to manage the connect schedule? [19:55] btw, if you know of any lenses/scopes not on my list, would you mind adding them to that doc? [19:55] will do [19:55] thanks [19:57] Pendulum, :-) I'll never tell. [20:02] Pendulum: probably just cjohnston [20:07] mhall119, debian still has an armv5-targeted port - if you want to pop into #linaro if you need more info or explanations :-) [20:08] mhall119, how is the Sumo report going [20:08] will you be ready for our call tomorrow? [20:08] remember, this needs to be something we can give to the web team [20:08] jono: I'm putting it together today, it should be ready [20:08] thanks [20:09] jono: the isd web team? or the ubuntu.com team? [20:09] mhall119, the ubuntu.com team [20:09] I talked to Peter the other day about this [20:09] taking off back to my day off [20:09] ok, so a lot of the technologies used are alternatives to what's commonly found in ubuntu [20:33] jono: ok so in my last review I totally missed a blueprint, mine should be set now [20:33] jcastro, thanks [20:34] I don't get why fixing oxton's wouldn't have plunked the graph, he had like 14 outstanding ones [20:35] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/u/johnoxton.html [20:35] that should have made a dent [20:39] anyone know what version of moinmoin the ubuntu wiki is on? and how can I get the cool WYSISYG editor they have? [20:39] balloons: investigate editmoin [20:39] it lets you open a wiki page in whatever editor you have [20:40] and then when you save it pushes it back to moin [20:40] it's like the only way to fly and remain sane [20:40] lol [20:40] but look at this: http://moinmo.in/4ct10n/edit/WikiSandBox?action=edit&editor=gui [20:40] why don't we have it? [20:41] pretty slick, move back and forth between text and gui edit mode.. anyways, thanks for the tip.. I'll look @ editmon [20:42] "why don't we have it?" [20:42] you must be new here. :) [20:43] don't worry, mhall119 is going to fix all our problems [20:44] lies [20:44] * balloons thanks mhall119 for being an allstar [20:44] it's like mhall119 don't care, he gonna replace that wiki with sumo [20:44] which is also a wiki [20:45] only with mediawiki markup, not moin [20:45] * balloons would love mediawiki [20:46] editmoin is pretty funny.. I mean, why be stuck with the browser text box when you can use vi! [20:47] balloons: have you ever used bitbucket? [20:48] rofl, i'm going to use the sandbox gui editor and then copy the source back to our wiki [20:48] methinks that should work out [20:48] I want to bzr branch http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Article/ and work on it offline [20:48] then bzr push my edits [20:49] ohh yea [20:49] i have an unhealthy disdain for atlassian [20:50] and jira..pretty sure I'm the only person in the world who doesn't like jira and finds it painfully annoying [20:50] mhall119: PopVox + Lens = Win :P [20:50] however, that's a good idea to work on stuff offline mhall119.. [20:50] you could selfhost your git repo tho on your ec2 box.. [21:32] bitbucket is awesome, atlassian bought them a year or so ago [21:36] balloons: we have moin 1.9 [21:37] the reason it is slow and we don't have good plugins is because the people who control the servers don't use the wiki [21:37] AlanBell, thank you. So the gui editor I showed is in the build we're using... [21:37] same reason the theme doesn't render table borders and has other unfixed bugs [21:41] mmm sad [21:42] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemInfo [21:44] also http://blog.vinceliu.com/2009/02/reanabling-fckeditor-for-moinmoin-wiki.html [21:54] ohh.. pretty http://ckeditor.com/ [21:54] balloons: the moin theme is here https://code.launchpad.net/canonical-webmonkeys [21:54] yeah, ckeditor is nice [21:55] the moin theme was in ubuntu-website, but got sucked into canonical-webmonkeys and they started making changes in production without going through bzr and I couldn't contribute fixes any more [22:31] thanks for the info AlanBell