[07:39] <dholbach> good morning
[11:18] <head_victim> dholbach: ping
[11:46] <dholbach> head_victim, pong
[11:47] <czajkowski> head_victim: moderated your email
[11:50] <head_victim> dholbach: ah was just going to get an opinion on it before sending and you were the last council member I saw talk anywhere :)
[11:50] <head_victim> czajkowski: cheers
[11:51] <head_victim> FIngers crossed we begin some forward motion on the topic.
[11:55] <dholbach> I'm in the middle of four other things right now, but I'll have a look later on
[11:56] <dholbach> thanks for pinging about it
[11:58] <head_victim> dholbach: no dramas, was thinking of having it proofed but now it's sent it's less urgent.
[11:58] <head_victim> Sorry it's taken a while to get it out there.
[11:58] <dholbach> no worries
[12:02] <czajkowski> nigelb: your mail is moderated
[12:03] <nigelb> czajkowski: Thanks :)
[12:03] <czajkowski> np
[12:04] <nigelb> czajkowski: Sorry about being late, its been a crazy week
[12:04] <czajkowski> np
[12:04] <bkerensa> dholbach: http://paste.ubuntu.com/817529/ =/
[12:05] <dholbach> bkerensa: I have none of these packages installed over here
[12:05] <bkerensa> hmm well I'm trying to login with unity but the option is no longer listed in the lighdm login screen
[12:06] <dholbach> the first one have been removed
[12:06] <dholbach> is the unity package installed?
[12:06] <dholbach> ah no, I'm sorry - indicator-appmenu I do have installed
[12:07] <dholbach> but indicator-applet and indicator-applet-complete seem to have been removed from precise
[12:08] <bkerensa> I have not uninstalled unity but its not showing oddly
[12:08] <bkerensa> :P
[12:08] <bkerensa> and when I try installing it gives me some nonsense about libindicator3-7 being uninstallable
[12:08] <bkerensa> Login options used to be Ubuntu and Ubuntu 2D plus Classic and Classic (No Effects) but when I went to try Unity today so I can see how HUD works I noticed Unity disappeared
[12:08] <dholbach> install it :)
[12:09] <dholbach> which mirror do you use?
[12:09] <popey> bkerensa: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^
[12:09] <popey> to make sure you're not missing anything
[12:09] <popey> (the caret is important)
[12:12] <bkerensa> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/817539/
[12:12] <bkerensa> no go =/
[12:13] <popey> bkerensa: apt-cache show unity
[12:14] <popey> bkerensa: also pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list
[12:14] <bkerensa> popey: Result http://paste.ubuntu.com/817540/
[12:14] <bkerensa> k
[12:15] <bkerensa> sources.list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/817542/
[12:15] <bkerensa> sources.list.d: http://paste.ubuntu.com/817543/
[12:16] <popey> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[12:16] <popey> shows the mirror you're using is probably outdated
[12:16] <popey> switch to a main mirror and update again
[12:17] <bkerensa> I see
[12:17] <popey> does it fail if you just "sudo apt-get install unity" ?
[12:20] <bkerensa> yes
[12:20] <popey> bummer
[12:21] <bkerensa> =o)
[12:22] <bkerensa> well 536 updates
[12:22] <bkerensa> just by changing mirrors
[12:22] <bkerensa> :D
[12:22] <bkerensa> Do mirror providers not have some sort of obligation to sync with main every so often?
[12:35] <s-fox> dholbach - I have sent you the forum stats for last year.
[12:35] <dholbach> s-fox, awesome, thanks muchly! :)
[12:36] <s-fox> July had a big surge on new registered users, but you'll see that yourself.
[12:37] <dholbach> maybe new people who tried out Ubuntu during the summer holidays :)
[12:37] <s-fox> Maybe, but the number of new threads didn't increase that much. :)
[12:38] <s-fox> Almost like they registered, but never did anything more.
[12:39] <dholbach> hm ok
[12:40] <s-fox> bit weird, haha ;)
[12:41] <s-fox> I am going to see if I can pull some details for those who registed. Perhaps we got hit by a bot creating accounts.
[12:41] <dholbach> sure, if it interests you - don't do it just for me - I feel like I asked for enough already :)
[12:42] <dholbach> I don't know how hard it is to do, but maybe there's a way to do a cleanup every now and then, let's say a user who didn't post anything after 6 months - maybe there's even a plugin for that
[12:43] <s-fox> I would seriously be against that, we have several known users who haven't posted in over a year but still do login to check threads / mails etc.
[12:44] <s-fox> I would add that having a "dormant" accounts doesn't really hurt us ;)
[12:44] <dholbach> ok
[12:44] <dholbach> :)
[14:08] <bkerensa>  Its like Pandora for cats
[15:15] <dholbach> WOW
[15:15] <dholbach> Heise writes about UDW: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Ubuntu-Developer-Week-fuer-Ubuntu-12-04-1422539.html
[15:15] <dholbach> now we'll get loads of Germans ;-)
[15:17] <bkerensa> awesome :D
[15:17] <dholbach> yeah, that's one of the biggest tech news sites in Germany
[15:17] <dholbach> I was a bit surprised
[15:17] <dholbach> but now we might even get the best out of it :)
[15:18] <bkerensa> We need some Russian developers
[15:18] <bkerensa> they are amazing at coding
[15:19] <dholbach> The H too: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Ubuntu-Developer-Week-for-12-04-Precise-Pangolin-announced-1422218.html
[15:26] <jcastro> Daviey: hey
[15:28] <Daviey> hey mr castro
[15:28] <Daviey> jcastro:
[15:28] <jcastro> Daviey: why does #ubuntu-cloud exist?
[15:28] <jcastro> it's not a trick question
[15:29] <jcastro> I just wonder why we keep splitting our communities into hairs
[15:30] <Daviey> jcastro: legacy
[15:30] <Daviey> jcastro: there was ALSO #ubuntu-virt a while ago.
[15:30] <Daviey> I'd be happy for #ubuntu-cloud to redirect to #ubuntu-server TBH
[15:30] <Daviey> #ubuntu-virt is now dead btw
[15:31] <jcastro> ok
[15:39] <jcastro> Daviey: ok so what do I do, just talk to ubuntu-irc?
[15:46] <Daviey> jcastro: hold fire.
[15:47] <Daviey> jcastro: i'll add it to the ubuntu-server teams agenda for discussion next meeting (tues)
[15:47]  * jcastro nods
[15:48] <popey> Lets have a meeting about it!
[15:48] <jcastro> popey: that's the difference between guys like us
[15:48] <Daviey> popey: hmm, maybe this falls into you remit?
[15:48] <jcastro> and Daviey. :)
[15:49] <Daviey> popey: slashing resources people use, is your job, right? ;)
[15:49] <jcastro> no one is using it
[15:49] <Daviey> it /does/ get used...
[15:49] <Daviey> (not by me.)
[15:51] <popey> pffft
[15:51] <popey> also
[15:51] <popey> I am trying to file a bug in bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website
[15:52] <popey> you are not helping! :D
[15:58] <JanC> http://coworking.betagroup.be/hosting-the-fosdem-participants/ --> if you know any Ubuntu developers/teams that want to sit together to work/discuss/etc. on Friday or Monday before/after FOSDEM...
[16:32] <jcastro> bkerensa: nice work on that dev update dude
[16:35] <bkerensa> jcastro: dholbach is a great teacher
[16:35] <bkerensa> :P
[16:35] <dholbach> nono, I'm not :)
[16:36] <dholbach> but it's definitely more fun writing those dev updates together
[16:37] <bkerensa> indeed
[16:37] <jcastro> do you guys etherpad?
[16:38] <bkerensa> dholbach: You are going to be at UDS?
[16:38] <bkerensa> jcastro: Google Docs
[16:40] <dholbach> bkerensa, yep
[16:41] <bkerensa> dholbach: Well I hope to go... Would be a good learning opp
[16:42] <dholbach> yeah
[16:47] <daker> jcastro, the link is wrong here http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2012/01/openstack-jenkins-dashboard-available-for-testing/
[16:48] <jcastro> yikes, ON IT
[16:49] <technoviking> dholbach: your thread should be sticky
[16:49]  * dholbach hugs technoviking
[16:49] <dholbach> sweet
[17:05] <bkerensa> dholbach: If while fixing a bug a fixer sees another bug can they fix both or should one open another bug report then fix both and submit patch?
[17:06] <dholbach> as you like it, really
[17:08] <bkerensa> ok
[17:28] <mhall119> jcastro: hangout invite sent
[17:32] <jcastro> dholbach: around?
[17:33] <dholbach> yes
[17:33] <jcastro> do you have a link to the first patch pilot email you ever sent?
[17:33] <jcastro> mhall would like to implement that for DX
[17:33] <jcastro> and we're looking for a template on how to yell at people
[17:33] <jcastro> I mean .... collaborate. :)
[17:34] <dholbach> I think it was Rick who mailed the whole team
[17:34] <dholbach> but afterwards I sent a "here's how it works mail"
[17:35] <jcastro> ah I see those now
[17:35] <jcastro> sending them to mhall
[17:35] <jcastro> thanks!
[17:35] <dholbach> de nada
[17:36] <dholbach> jcastro, you just forwarded a mail from myself to me? :)
[17:37] <jcastro> oops!
[17:38] <jcastro> I was forwarding all your work to mhall
[17:38] <mhall119> thanks dholbach
[17:38] <jcastro> so he can implement it for dx
[17:38] <dholbach> mhall119, de nada
[17:40] <dholbach> alright my friends
[17:41] <dholbach>  I call it a day - see you all tomorrow
[17:45]  * popey hugs dholbach 
[17:47]  * dholbach hugs popey back
[18:02] <s-fox> Goodbye.
[18:11] <akgraner> jcastro - could you take a look at the syndication settings for cloud.u.c again - there is still non-ubuntu related stuff hitting the planet?
[18:12] <jcastro> WHAT
[18:12] <jcastro> I fixed that
[18:12] <jcastro> let me check
[18:12] <jcastro> oh
[18:12] <jcastro> I posted those
[18:12] <jcastro> the charm school one and the openstack one?
[18:12] <jcastro> I wrote those
[18:13] <pleia2> those are great, these ones are not:
[18:13] <jcastro> what you won't see are the company syndicated ones, etc.
[18:13] <akgraner> nope - http://www.cloudave.com/16853/next-iteration-of-paas-will-amazon-join-that-race/
[18:13] <pleia2> http://www.cloudave.com/16853/next-iteration-of-paas-will-amazon-join-that-race/
[18:13] <pleia2> http://gigaom.com/cloud/should-nosql-startups-be-afraid-of-dynamodb/
[18:13] <pleia2> http://www.cloudave.com/?guid=e5727405f6062ebb866e6a4b3f38d291
[18:13] <pleia2> ^^ those all hit the planet RSS feed this week
[18:13] <jcastro> right
[18:13] <jcastro> but I fixed that
[18:13] <pleia2> the last one ended up in the rss feed yesterday
[18:13] <jcastro> I just fixed that at scale
[18:14] <pleia2> the other two from "2 days ago"
[18:14] <jcastro> ah, ok well by default now on cloud.u.c we don't use the planet tag
[18:14] <pleia2> ok, I'll let you know if another one shows up
[18:14] <jcastro> I don't see them on planet right now
[18:14] <jcastro> and the oldest post goes to the 21st?
[18:15] <jcastro> did they initially show up and then disappear?
[18:15] <pleia2> the date of these articles is mostly the 20th, but they ended up in the RSS feed this week
[18:16] <jcastro> I think that was my fault, I told robbie to use a certain tag and it was misconfigured in the blog
[18:16] <jcastro> but I think on saturday I fixed it
[18:16] <jcastro> and I just posted guidelines to the cloud list
[18:16] <jcastro> so if it happens from now on it's either my fault or robbies.
[18:16] <jcastro> there should be no automated stuff going on
[18:16] <pleia2> ok, thanks for looking into it
[18:16] <jcastro> I shall endeavour to suck less
[18:17] <jcastro> theoretically the only ones you should see is the ones I post by hand, which are going to be ubuntu related.
[18:17] <jcastro> no more gigaom, etc. etc.
[18:18] <akgraner> jcastro, thank you!
[18:18] <jcastro> note that this is how I set it up last time
[18:18] <jcastro> and I failed.
[18:19] <jcastro> :)
[18:19] <jcastro> third time is a charm though, I can't fail this time!
[18:19] <akgraner> jcastro, you said "charm"  :-)
[18:20] <jcastro> hah that was totally on accident
[18:20] <akgraner> :-)
[19:25] <akgraner> jcastro - is there a wiki page for the super user information/goals etc
[19:26] <jcastro> superuser?
[19:26] <akgraner> yep that's it
[19:26] <jcastro> I don't get the question
[19:26] <akgraner> you know more that beginner user but not a developer
[19:27] <akgraner> I though there was an Ubuntu Superuser group effort or something like that?
[19:27] <akgraner> maybe I am making that up?
[19:27] <jcastro> oh
[19:27] <jcastro> poweruser thing?
[19:27] <jcastro> yeah there's a mailing list
[19:28] <akgraner> ahh that's it - /me needs caffeine it seems
[19:34]  * balloons is listening
[19:36] <akgraner> jcastro, thanks
[19:37] <akgraner> mhall119, do you have a list of all the current lenses available Unity  or know where I can find the list?
[19:37] <mhall119> akgraner: I have a list, not sure if it's all
[19:37] <akgraner> I hear you are the lense knowledge base :-)
[19:38] <akgraner> mhall119, would you mind sharing it with me - we are starting work on the 7th edition of the official Ubuntu Book
[19:38] <mhall119> akgraner: you should have a google docs invite
[19:39] <akgraner> thank you!
[19:39] <mhall119> np
[19:39] <mhall119> it's not all of them, but it's what I managed to find
[19:39] <mhall119> I was working on sorting and categorizing them for a blog post
[19:39] <akgraner> This is awesome!  Thank you so much.
[19:39] <mhall119> :)
[19:40] <mhall119> akgraner: if you end up sorting/categorizing, let me know and I'll help (as long as I can turn around and blog it)
[19:40] <akgraner> of course :-)
[19:40] <mhall119> akgraner: also, we're putting together a set of guidelines for "When to make a new lens, and when to reuse one"
[19:40] <mhall119> it should hopefully be done this weekend
[19:41] <mhall119> if that would be of interest
[19:41] <akgraner> great!
[19:41] <akgraner> oh yes
[19:42] <mhall119> akgraner: slightly related, but lenses will also work on Ubuntu TV (once it's developed enough to support them)
[19:42] <mhall119> as in, the same lenses made for the desktop will be installable on TV
[19:43] <akgraner> nice
[19:43] <akgraner> yeah we should have a demo of Ubuntu TV on a pandaboard at Connect next month I can't wait to see it
[19:44] <mhall119> sweet, too bad I won't be there to see it
[19:44] <mhall119> akgraner: does Linaro support Rasberry PI? do you know?
[19:46] <akgraner> not using the current toolchain Ubuntu and Linaro are on ARM v7 and Raspberry PI is ARM v4 I think - you need to go back to a Maverick build for that
[19:48] <popey> bug 848154
[19:48] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 848154 in ubuntu "ARM version not supporting V6 RaspPi" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/848154
[19:49] <akgraner> thanks popey - I new the ARM versions were different
[19:49] <akgraner> knew even :-/
[19:49] <mhall119> that's what I thought, but I keep seeing articles about RP being able to run Ubuntu
[19:49] <popey> yeah, lies
[19:49] <akgraner> just drop back to Maverick :-)
[19:49] <mhall119> glad it wasn't me that was mistaken, just a bunch of widely read articles on the internet
[19:50] <popey> unfortunately they reported early on in development that they could use ubuntu
[19:50] <popey> and that fact stuck
[19:50] <mhall119> ah, I see now
[19:51] <akgraner> mhall119, however, let me see what our guys are saying about it and I'll get back to you.
[19:52] <AlanBell> mhall119: they are a nice bunch the raspberry pi people
[19:52] <mhall119> akgraner: all I hear from your guys is "Enhance Summit"
[19:53] <mhall119> and then "Change it back!"
[19:53] <akgraner> mhall119, :-)
[19:53] <mhall119> akgraner: I don't suppose they've roped you into managing connect scheduling yet have they?
[19:54] <AlanBell> mhall119: I thought most of the articles were fixed, I certainly spoke to them really early on and got them to stop saying it would support ubuntu
[19:54] <mhall119> AlanBell: I never went back and checked, I just remember seeign it said and that causing my confusion
[19:54] <akgraner> mhall119, um no!
[19:55] <mhall119> heh
[19:55] <Pendulum> akgraner: how many people have you paid so that you don't have to manage the connect schedule?
[19:55] <mhall119> btw, if you know of any lenses/scopes not on my list, would you mind adding them to that doc?
[19:55] <akgraner> will do
[19:55] <mhall119> thanks
[19:57] <akgraner> Pendulum, :-) I'll never tell.
[20:02] <mhall119> Pendulum: probably just cjohnston
[20:07] <akgraner> mhall119, debian still has an armv5-targeted port - if you want to pop into #linaro if you need more info or explanations :-)
[20:08] <jono> mhall119, how is the Sumo report going
[20:08] <jono> will you be ready for our call tomorrow?
[20:08] <jono> remember, this needs to be something we can give to the web team
[20:08] <mhall119> jono: I'm putting it together today, it should be ready
[20:08] <jono> thanks
[20:09] <mhall119> jono: the isd web team? or the ubuntu.com team?
[20:09] <jono> mhall119, the ubuntu.com team
[20:09] <jono> I talked to Peter the other day about this
[20:09] <jono> taking off back to my day off
[20:09] <mhall119> ok, so a lot of the technologies used are alternatives to what's commonly found in ubuntu
[20:33] <jcastro> jono: ok so in my last review I totally missed a blueprint, mine should be set now
[20:33] <jono> jcastro, thanks
[20:34] <jcastro> I don't get why fixing oxton's wouldn't have plunked the graph, he had like 14 outstanding ones
[20:35] <jcastro> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/u/johnoxton.html
[20:35] <jcastro> that should have made a dent
[20:39] <balloons> anyone know what version of moinmoin the ubuntu wiki is on? and how can I get the cool WYSISYG editor they have?
[20:39] <jcastro> balloons: investigate editmoin
[20:39] <jcastro> it lets you open a wiki page in whatever editor you have
[20:40] <jcastro> and then when you save it pushes it back to moin
[20:40] <jcastro> it's like the only way to fly and remain sane
[20:40] <balloons> lol
[20:40] <balloons> but look at this: http://moinmo.in/4ct10n/edit/WikiSandBox?action=edit&editor=gui
[20:40] <balloons> why don't we have it?
[20:41] <balloons> pretty slick, move back and forth between text and gui edit mode.. anyways, thanks for the tip.. I'll look @ editmon
[20:42] <jcastro> "why don't we have it?"
[20:42] <jcastro> you must be new here. :)
[20:43] <jcastro> don't worry, mhall119 is going to fix all our problems
[20:44] <mhall119> lies
[20:44]  * balloons thanks mhall119 for being an allstar
[20:44] <balloons> it's like mhall119 don't care, he gonna replace that wiki with sumo
[20:44] <mhall119> which is also a wiki
[20:45] <mhall119> only with mediawiki markup, not moin
[20:45]  * balloons would love mediawiki
[20:46] <balloons> editmoin is pretty funny.. I mean, why be stuck with the browser text box when you can use vi!
[20:47] <mhall119> balloons: have you ever used bitbucket?
[20:48] <balloons> rofl, i'm going to use the sandbox gui editor and then copy the source back to our wiki
[20:48] <balloons> methinks that should work out
[20:48] <mhall119> I want to bzr branch http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Article/ and work on it offline
[20:48] <mhall119> then bzr push my edits
[20:49] <balloons> ohh yea
[20:49] <balloons> i have an unhealthy disdain for atlassian
[20:50] <balloons> and jira..pretty sure I'm the only person in the world who doesn't like jira and finds it painfully annoying
[20:50] <bkerensa> mhall119: PopVox + Lens = Win :P
[20:50] <balloons> however, that's a good idea to work on stuff offline mhall119..
[20:50] <balloons> you could selfhost your git repo tho on your ec2 box..
[21:32] <mhall119> bitbucket is awesome, atlassian bought them a year or so ago
[21:36] <AlanBell> balloons: we have moin 1.9
[21:37] <AlanBell> the reason it is slow and we don't have good plugins is because the people who control the servers don't use the wiki
[21:37] <balloons> AlanBell, thank you. So the gui editor I showed is in the build we're using...
[21:37] <AlanBell> same reason the theme doesn't render table borders and has other unfixed bugs
[21:41] <balloons> mmm sad
[21:42] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemInfo
[21:44] <AlanBell> also http://blog.vinceliu.com/2009/02/reanabling-fckeditor-for-moinmoin-wiki.html
[21:54] <balloons> ohh.. pretty http://ckeditor.com/
[21:54] <AlanBell> balloons: the moin theme is here https://code.launchpad.net/canonical-webmonkeys
[21:54] <AlanBell> yeah, ckeditor is nice
[21:55] <AlanBell> the moin theme was in ubuntu-website, but got sucked into canonical-webmonkeys and they started making changes in production without going through bzr and I couldn't contribute fixes any more
[22:31] <balloons> thanks for the info AlanBell