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| gordonjcp | AlanBell: contrast with packaging for Arch... | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| AlanBell | Arch is a real mixed bag of a project | 00:01 |
| gordonjcp | AlanBell: take a sample PKGBUILD file, fill in the blanks, run makepkg | 00:01 |
| gordonjcp | if you're doing it properly you do a test build in a clean chroot so it ensures that all deps are pulled in correctly | 00:02 |
| gordonjcp | some of the packages in Ubuntu aren't very good at that | 00:02 |
| gordonjcp | jackd for example is pretty fundamentally on drugs | 00:02 |
| gordonjcp | install jackd2, it pulls in qjackctl and all the Qt deps | 00:03 |
| gordonjcp | *why*? | 00:03 |
| AlanBell | better than the rpm based distros in general I think | 00:03 |
| AlanBell | Arch has some quite good documentation, but the project ethos of being self-centred as possible kind of encourages a pretty toxic community from what I have seen of it | 00:05 |
| gordonjcp | AlanBell: mh | 00:06 |
| gordonjcp | AlanBell: it's pretty much the same as any distro | 00:06 |
| gordonjcp | 99.9% of the people involved just get on with it, and then there are 0.1% of noisy arseholes who make a nuisance of themselves | 00:06 |
| AlanBell | yeah, might be that I only bump into the 0.1% | 00:07 |
| gordonjcp | it doesn't help that #archlinux gets periodically crapflooded by people going "ZOMG N000BZORS USE UBUNTU1!!1!!1!!! LOLZ LOLZ LOLZ" | 00:08 |
| AlanBell | they are not the residents? | 00:09 |
| AlanBell | maybe those are the people I bump into | 00:09 |
| gordonjcp | no | 00:10 |
| AlanBell | I had a look on their mailing list earlier to see what that was like, seemed to be a big discussion about how to make it less user friendly | 00:12 |
| AlanBell | I am curious to know where the people who write the good documentation are | 00:12 |
| directhex | oh, i have another example | 00:16 |
| directhex | install any app that uses ffmpeg, it pulls in DECNET support for networking of PDP11s | 00:17 |
| gordonjcp | AlanBell: I don't know, I think it's far more user-friendly than Ubuntu | 00:18 |
| gordonjcp | it's a lot easier to install | 00:18 |
| gordonjcp | none of this tedious mucking about with unetbootin and then having a weirdly broken-looking textmode installer that just sits there for ten minutes apparently doing nothing | 00:19 |
| ubuntubhoy | I actually only have 1 issue with the Ubuntu installer, it never imports users from other Ubuntu installs for me | 00:21 |
| ubuntubhoy | but that could be because I usually only have single user setups | 00:21 |
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| gordonjcp | ubuntubhoy: I don't like the horrible unetbootin menu thing | 00:23 |
| gordonjcp | because it doesn't give you any feedback that it's actually doing anything | 00:23 |
| gordonjcp | has it hung? is it just slow? is it supposed to take ten minutes? | 00:23 |
| gordonjcp | the trick is to use a USB stick with an access LED on it | 00:23 |
| directhex | why on earth would you use unetbootin? | 00:24 |
| gordonjcp | directhex: because the iso doesn't work if you just dd it to a usb stick | 00:25 |
| ubuntubhoy | I kinda agree on unetbootin, but it is so damn handy | 00:25 |
| ubuntubhoy | and I always use usb over disk | 00:26 |
| ubuntubhoy | plus USB creator has only ever worked on a few of my installs | 00:27 |
| gordonjcp | I've never managed to get usb creator to create anything that resembled a bootable disk | 00:27 |
| gordonjcp | I mean, I've got an iso, ran usb-creator, examined the stick afterwards and there is *nothing* that even vaguely looks like any sane BIOS could boot it | 00:29 |
| ubuntubhoy | lol | 00:29 |
| ubuntubhoy | mostly it just refuses to do anything for me | 00:29 |
| ubuntubhoy | just craps out | 00:29 |
| gordonjcp | yeah | 00:30 |
| * AlanBell sees a gord bug making headlines at OMG | 00:30 | |
| gordonjcp | I mean why isn't there just an image that you can write to a USB stick? | 00:30 |
| gordonjcp | why have the extra step of making an iso, that needs to be converted back to something that'll go on a USB drive? | 00:30 |
| gordonjcp | I guess it means that you can write a CD-R with it | 00:33 |
| gordonjcp | presumably travelling back in time to when you could buy blank CD-Rs and drives to use them with is left as an exercise for the user | 00:33 |
| gordonjcp | it's bizarre, there are images for booting from legacy optical media, but not from 9-track magtape? | 00:34 |
| ubuntubhoy | hmm, Biffy Clyro headlining Rock Ness | 00:35 |
| gordonjcp | a) biffy clyro, b) Inverness | 00:35 |
| ubuntubhoy | c) good times | 00:36 |
| gordonjcp | chuck in some people with beaded dreadlocks and you've got a perfect storm of awful | 00:36 |
| ubuntubhoy | lol | 00:36 |
| gordonjcp | and I've probably got to do some tech for the <word I won't use on #ubuntu-uk> too | 00:36 |
| ubuntubhoy | are non-beaded dreadlocks ok then | 00:36 |
| gordonjcp | yes because when you set them on fire you don't get hit by bead shrapnel | 00:37 |
| gordonjcp | music festivals *suck* these days | 00:37 |
| ubuntubhoy | but dreadlock beads tend to be plastic - so you get melt burn as well | 00:37 |
| gordonjcp | bloody jugglers and facepainters everywhere and then charging five quid for a lukewarm can of Tennents | 00:38 |
| cpnangil^ | hmm | 00:38 |
| cpnangil^ | can anyone help me decipher some old handwritten text? | 00:38 |
| gordonjcp | and a half-cooked burger that's been lying in a tupperware box in direct sunlight all morning growing botulinum toxin | 00:39 |
| ubuntubhoy | old as in 1970's ? | 00:39 |
| gordonjcp | cpnangil^: how old? | 00:39 |
| gordonjcp | and where are you? | 00:39 |
| cpnangil^ | Im in boston | 00:39 |
| ubuntubhoy | obviously Ubuntu-UK makes sense then | 00:40 |
| cpnangil^ | claims to be from 1662 | 00:40 |
| gordonjcp | cpnangil^: I know a paleographic analyst | 00:40 |
| gordonjcp | cpnangil^: if you can get up to Edinburgh she may be able to help you out | 00:41 |
| gordonjcp | it's just up the A1 | 00:41 |
| gordonjcp | she will want paid though. You may have to buy her some very nice shoes. | 00:41 |
| cpnangil^ | http://i.imgur.com/6bDf7.jpg | 00:41 |
| cpnangil^ | I can figure it partially | 00:42 |
| ubuntubhoy | you got the original | 00:46 |
| ubuntubhoy | keck, build crashed again | 00:47 |
| ubuntubhoy | time for baw, baws - laters | 00:48 |
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| Azelphur | jacobw popey AlanBell for when you guys wake up, added a bunch of stuff including XMPP support, https://github.com/Azelphur/TwistedCat :D | 03:44 |
| Azelphur | (netcat to your android phone, because I can!) | 03:54 |
| gord | AlanBell, not a bug :P | 08:06 |
| MooDoo | morning all | 08:09 |
| DJones | Morning all | 08:10 |
| daubers | Morning | 08:14 |
| MooDoo | join #smugmug | 08:15 |
| MooDoo | oops | 08:15 |
| gord | MooDoo, is very proud of his mug | 08:16 |
| daubers | gord: I see HUD made the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16731071 | 08:19 |
| gord | neat | 08:20 |
| MooDoo | gord: smug tastic :) | 08:20 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Morning everyone - Howdidoodee? | 08:20 |
| AlanBell | gord: not a bug? I think you are over-weighting the centre pixel | 08:40 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: you idle get wake up, morning prod :P | 09:14 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: be warned she's not having much fun on the tube at the moment :D | 09:15 |
| popey | ooh, my themes have disappeared | 09:16 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: oh joy | 09:16 |
| popey | ok, so i suspect I have the same thing that happened to gordonjcp | 09:17 |
| popey | the theme was removed yesterday and it defaulted back to some other theme and moved the buttons to the right | 09:18 |
| popey | maybe | 09:18 |
| popey | yay, ubuntu-desktop was missing | 09:19 |
| * popey installs a zillion missing packages | 09:19 | |
| oimon | alpha ubuntu is alpha :P | 09:20 |
| popey | gord: hud does sometimes annoyingly pop up when i alt-tab | 09:25 |
| popey | after I have alt-tabbed to another window, the window appears and I start typing and it ends up in the hud, not the app | 09:26 |
| oimon | you've been hud-winked | 09:27 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all! | 09:43 |
| MooDoo | morning | 09:46 |
| daubers | Oh finder, why are you so pants | 09:50 |
| gord | popey, yeah alt is tricky, alt tab slower for now | 09:50 |
| davmor2 | I blame czajkowski for these noise school kids ruining our co-working space | 09:51 |
| gord | AlanBell, so you know the code splits the image up in to quadrants right, well what it does is it tests those quadrants to see if there is a lot of difference, if there is, it delves in to them more. by altering a specific pixel you trick the code in to investigating those quadrants more, i think it will go up to 8 levels deeper. point is that by changing that pixel, you trick the code in to paying way more attention there. its not a bug, its an exploit | 09:52 |
| gord | the "fix" would be to just do the simple average every pixel approach, but thats way to slow | 09:53 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Hazar, I is 'ere! | 09:53 |
| bigcalm_lappy | There's a silly school trip visiting the Light House today. It might be saner to converse via IRC | 09:54 |
| daubers | https://twitter.com/#!/daubers/status/162473275044282368/photo/1 <- Why I dispise finder on osx | 09:54 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Poor Alex is the only one not in channel | 09:54 |
| gord | that pretty much ruins the point | 09:54 |
| oimon | daubers: the first file is in RAID1 :D | 09:55 |
| daubers | oimon: :p | 09:55 |
| oimon | actually btrfs will allow you to do that | 09:55 |
| daubers | The first file is actually on a raid6 | 09:56 |
| daubers | the second file is on the macs internal drive | 09:56 |
| daubers | same file just copied across | 09:56 |
| AlanBell | gord: it goes 16 levels deep, the point is that the centre pixel is shared by all 4 of the first level quadrants so it gets counted 4 times | 09:58 |
| oimon | hmmm...having a facebook for the enterprise (yammer) seems to be an excuse to spend all day on it | 10:01 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Nutella? | 10:01 |
| oimon | constant streams of gubbins coming from corporate services types | 10:01 |
| AlanBell | gord: the fix would be to make the quadrants 1px smaller all round, so the top left one would be 1,1 to centreX-1,centreY-1 rather than 0,0 to centreX,centreY | 10:03 |
| gord | AlanBell, patches welcome | 10:04 |
| AlanBell | gord: sure, do you agree with my thinking? | 10:05 |
| gord | AlanBell, if they are *all* reduced by one pixel around, it'll always pick different pixels, which will stop the exploit sure | 10:06 |
| gord | well, i could still exploit it ;) but yeah | 10:06 |
| AlanBell | yeah, a diagonal cross in the centre would still do it | 10:07 |
| andylockran | howdy all | 10:24 |
| popey | gnnnnn | 10:24 |
| popey | my laptop is unusable now, these GPU lockups are driving me nuts | 10:24 |
| oimon | getting spammed from sony psn because some numpty got his email address wrong on christmas day | 10:25 |
| andylockran | anyone have recommendations for a CRM - Sugar looks interesting but be interesting to see what other people do? | 10:25 |
| oimon | can't unsubscribe | 10:25 |
| popey | i have the same problem from microsoft xbox | 10:27 |
| Daviey | popey: mbp7,1 GPU lockups? | 10:29 |
| oimon | i regularly get flight tickets, share dividend notices, loads of stuff from my similarly named eejit twins | 10:29 |
| popey | yes Daviey | 10:29 |
| Daviey | popey: odd.. using non-free? | 10:29 |
| popey | yes | 10:29 |
| Daviey | popey: not that this helps, but graphics are fine for me :/. | 10:30 |
| popey | bug 921450 | 10:30 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 921450 in xorg (Ubuntu) "nVidia GPU lockup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921450 | 10:30 |
| Daviey | popey: in other news, the sound bug your reported was fixed day before yesterday | 10:30 |
| popey | which sound bug? | 10:31 |
| * popey looks at the lenovo site | 10:32 | |
| oimon | popey: are you monitoring the gpu temperature? | 10:32 |
| Daviey | popey: the sound issue on the mbp | 10:32 |
| Daviey | bug 909419 | 10:32 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 909419 in linux (Ubuntu) "[Several MacBooks (with PCI SSID 10de:cb89)] Choppy sound. Videos play double speed" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/909419 | 10:33 |
| popey | oh that one ☺ | 10:33 |
| Daviey | popey: what is your fan doing? | 10:33 |
| popey | not much | 10:33 |
| popey | can you get gpu temps from the cli? | 10:33 |
| Daviey | popey: hmm, i seem to have lost /proc/acpi/thermal_zone | 10:36 |
| popey | i dont have that either Daviey | 10:36 |
| Laney | oh awesome, I had that sound bug too | 10:37 |
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| Laney | silly macbooks | 10:37 |
| Daviey | dave@voodoo:~$ sudo nvidia-settings -q [gpu:0]/GPUCoreTemp 2>/dev/null | grep Attribute Attribute 'GPUCoreTemp' (voodoo:0[gpu:0]): 56. | 10:37 |
| Daviey | line wrap fail | 10:37 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 10:38 |
| Daviey | dave@voodoo:~$ sudo nvidia-settings -q [gpu:0]/GPUCoreTemp 2>/dev/null | grep Attribute | 10:38 |
| Daviey | Attribute 'GPUCoreTemp' (voodoo:0[gpu:0]): 56. | 10:38 |
| czajkowski | davmor2: ello my dear | 10:38 |
| gord | popey, nvidia-settings --query 0/gpucoretemp | 10:38 |
| popey | that requires X ☺ | 10:38 |
| popey | which is currently dead | 10:38 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: prod, prodity prod prod prod prod prod prod prod prod prod prod prod | 10:38 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: oh bigcalm says prod too | 10:39 |
| gord | popey, yeah but this is nvidia ;) they don't really do nice open source ways of doing things | 10:39 |
| bigcalm_lappy | I was wondering why that didn't highlight | 10:39 |
| popey | heh | 10:39 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Then I notice my nickname as I'm away from home | 10:39 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Hi peeps :) | 10:39 |
| popey | gord: which x220? i5? | 10:39 |
| gord | popey, i have an i3 x220, i think they go up to i5/i7 though | 10:40 |
| gord | only real recommendation is the IPS screen and as much ram as you can fit in it | 10:40 |
| bigcalm_lappy | How much are they? | 10:40 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Ballpark figure | 10:40 |
| gord | depends, anywhere from 600-1500 last i checked | 10:41 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Yikes | 10:41 |
| bigcalm_lappy | This i3 dell poop was just over 500 quid | 10:41 |
| oimon | they do a tablet version | 10:41 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Regret it every time I turn it on | 10:41 |
| * daubers got an i5 samsung for £400 | 10:41 | |
| popey | yeah, sladen has the tablet version | 10:41 |
| oimon | i like my dell lappy. served me well and still going god | 10:41 |
| oimon | /od/ood | 10:42 |
| bigcalm_lappy | This is a 1st gen i3 | 10:42 |
| Daviey | popey: you /need/ X? | 10:42 |
| Daviey | popey: well do you have SSH? | 10:42 |
| popey | heh | 10:42 |
| popey | gord: IPS screen? | 10:42 |
| Dave2 | Can you get IPS screens in laptops? | 10:42 |
| Daviey | ssh -X alan@pos-laptop :) | 10:42 |
| gord | popey, yeah, its really nice, basically has unlimited viewing angles | 10:43 |
| gord | was only a few quid more when i checked | 10:43 |
| * Dave2 spent ages tracking down a laptop that wasn't 1366x768, didn't even try to find one that wasn't TN | 10:43 | |
| sladen | Dave2: yes, but not with the capacitive finger touch on the X220 tablet version | 10:43 |
| sladen | Dave2: there aren't any. Give up; all of the displays are not 1024x768 panels, cut a bit wider | 10:43 |
| sladen | s/not/now/ | 10:44 |
| popey | gord: http://popey.com/~alan/Selection_001.png | 10:44 |
| gord | popey, "premium" | 10:44 |
| Dave2 | sladen: I got a 1600x900 laptop, still not great, but I wasn't willing to buy 1366x768 | 10:45 |
| popey | gord: 6 or 9 cell? | 10:45 |
| gord | popey, 9 cell will go 10 hours if ubuntu's not screwing up the power management like it always is ;) i got 9 cell | 10:46 |
| popey | heh | 10:48 |
| Daviey | gord: was it Ubuntu that broke power management? | 10:49 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Replace the spinning rust with an SSD and improve the battery life anyway? | 10:49 |
| popey | http://popey.com/~alan/x220.png <- not cheap | 10:50 |
| gord | Daviey, it was *fantastic* the week before platform sprint. amazing, wonderful - https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/112811220238447511854/albums/5693907288078855329/5693907286109635026 - but then kernel 3.2 dropped during platform sprint and i was back to 4-5 hours | 10:50 |
| popey | sladen / gord comments on the above spec? | 10:51 |
| oimon | what's that "web price" ? | 10:51 |
| oimon | marketing gimmick? | 10:52 |
| gord | popey, you might not need the i7, the i3 does just fine for me - chances are you can get the ram cheaper on amazon or ebuyer too. ssd is almost certainly worth it - i'm waiting for UDS and will pick up one there | 10:52 |
| czajkowski | oimon: no it's a price for buying via the web as some places dont stop them or you do get a better price for buying things online | 10:53 |
| czajkowski | mine is a i5 | 10:53 |
| Daviey | gord: I wonder if that is Ubuntu's fault or mainline kernel regression? :) | 10:53 |
| gord | Daviey, well the confusing bit is that if i go back to the old kernel i don't get my power back.. very weird | 10:54 |
| andylockran | interesting | 10:57 |
| popey | gord: problem with buying RAM elsewhere is I'll end up with sticks of RAM 'spare' that I'll never use | 10:58 |
| andylockran | I''ve got a lovely ssd, love it | 10:58 |
| gord | popey, desk shrapnel | 10:58 |
| popey | haha | 10:58 |
| popey | hmm, maybe downgrade CPU, switch to SSD | 10:58 |
| Daviey | gord: wow | 10:58 |
| Daviey | that is nuts. | 10:59 |
| popey | http://www.ebuyer.com/192734-lenovo-256gb-thinkpad-sdd-1-8-sata-ii-read-230mb-s-write-43n3417 | 11:02 |
| popey | lolwut | 11:02 |
| gord | yeah... ssds are expensive | 11:02 |
| gord | http://www.ebuyer.com/318420-samsung-128gb-830-series-ssd-2-5-sata-ii-laptop-upgrade-kit-mz-7pc128n-eu is what i am after | 11:03 |
| oimon | usually £1 per gb | 11:03 |
| popey | will that fit in your thinkpad? | 11:03 |
| gord | i have been told it does ;) | 11:05 |
| gord | i will need to do further investigation at some point | 11:05 |
| gord | there was a thread about it on warthogs some time ago | 11:06 |
| popey | lenovo website is sucking | 11:07 |
| popey | "You are now leaving Lenovo's website and being redirected to the website of Digital River, the seller and merchant of record." | 11:07 |
| popey | time passes | 11:07 |
| oimon | you were hit by a grue | 11:10 |
| Daviey | No Guru Mediation error? | 11:18 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Somebody kill davmor2 now | 11:22 |
| bigcalm_lappy | davmor2 is looking lovingly at gord | 11:23 |
| bigcalm_lappy | At least it looks like that to me | 11:23 |
| * smittix prods MooDoo | 11:26 | |
| smittix | Thanks for the ticket update MooDoo heh | 11:26 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm_lappy: is suddenly unable to see his screen as his fingers break it as I slam his lid down on his fingers | 11:27 |
| czajkowski | tut tut such violence | 11:28 |
| MooDoo | czajkowski: you love it | 11:29 |
| * bigcalm_lappy sips his coffee quitely | 11:29 | |
| popey | http://www.ebuyer.com/169923-tenda-wireless-n150-access-point-router-extender-w311r- | 11:31 |
| popey | interesting device | 11:31 |
| popey | 3 year warranty price is interesting | 11:31 |
| gord | £12 quid? hard to trust | 11:35 |
| oimon | pics look v cheap quality | 11:37 |
| _x_X_X_x_ | hii | 11:37 |
| oimon | basically it's a wireless AP that supports bridging? | 11:38 |
| _x_X_X_x_ | how i can change group and owner from root to www-data? | 11:40 |
| oimon | chown www-data:www-data <dir name> | 11:43 |
| oimon | use -R for recursive changes | 11:44 |
| bigcalm_lappy | If the group name is the same as the username, you can omit the group name | 11:44 |
| bigcalm_lappy | www-data: | 11:44 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | technically correct would be: | 11:49 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | sudo chown -R www-data: dir_tree_to_chown | 11:49 |
| oimon | hmm http://boingboing.net/2012/01/25/insane-english-copyright-rulin.html | 11:49 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Man my broadband is sick today: "Firefox can't find the server at www.google.co.uk." | 11:49 |
| oimon | or is it your dns? | 11:49 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Nah - loads of dropped packets on the adsl. | 11:50 |
| oimon | virgin? | 11:50 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | dns is google ;-) | 11:50 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Nope [cough, cough] talktalkbusiness | 11:50 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I used to be on Pipex years ago - they have been bought, then the acquiree was bought and so forth until now I'm on talktalk and they are not optimal IMHO - But where I live I can't get much better from anyone anyway so it's rather moot really. | 11:51 |
| popey | your area not cabled? | 11:53 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Hah CABLE! My telephone lines are aluminium... | 11:53 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | We are on an exchange that BT don't think exists as far as supporting anything more that plain old adsl2 | 11:54 |
| heeed | owdo | 11:54 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Yet - I live in one of the most affluent parishes/boroughs in the country... Just there is too much space and not enough big houses I guess ;-) | 11:54 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | AlanBell: Will find this interesting http://www.information-age.com/channels/the-cloud-and-virtualization/news/1680113/hillingdon-council-puts-3500-staff-on-google-apps.thtml | 11:55 |
| popey | heeed: hey! | 11:58 |
| popey | Lunchtime! | 11:58 |
| heeed | still whinging about the cable? | 11:58 |
| heeed | +1 for lunchtime | 11:58 |
| gord | lunchtime? | 11:59 |
| gord | not yet | 12:00 |
| popey | not me heeed ☺ | 12:02 |
| * popey loves his cable | 12:02 | |
| bigcalm_lappy | popey: you can now find out when you'll be getting 60mb | 12:03 |
| popey | oh, how? | 12:03 |
| bigcalm_lappy | The checker tells be October | 12:03 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Go to my.vm | 12:03 |
| bigcalm_lappy | There it a link on there | 12:03 |
| oimon | joey @ omg does a great job around alpha/beta time of giving a round up of new features for those who are running alphas | 12:06 |
| oimon | nice to know what to gcheck with each apt-get | 12:06 |
| Oli | Skyrim for £20 on the PC/Wine http://www.greenmangaming.co.uk/games/rpgs/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-uk/ | 12:06 |
| Oli | (It's not from Steam but They give you a Steam key) | 12:07 |
| Myrtti | Why can't Dell sell their laptops with Ubuntu in UK like they do in US? :-< | 12:07 |
| oimon | Myrtti: which model? | 12:07 |
| oimon | if you ask, they sometimes do. | 12:08 |
| popey | i see no link bigcalm_lappy | 12:08 |
| popey | bah | 12:08 |
| AlanBell | TheOpenSourcerer: heh, so *thats* what they did in the end | 12:09 |
| Myrtti | oimon: dell vostro v131 | 12:10 |
| oimon | Myrtti: looks nice. always worth asking them | 12:12 |
| oimon | i've managed it on desktops | 12:12 |
| bigcalm_lappy | popey: log in and it'll hit you with a pop over | 12:12 |
| oimon | well, i manage to get no-OS rather that windows | 12:12 |
| oimon | vendors do seem to be cashing in on SSD ..prices seem high when purchased with a machine | 12:14 |
| bigcalm_lappy | I'm logged in, give me your postcode | 12:15 |
| smittix | Does anyone know how OMGUbuntu get away with using ubunu in their domain name? | 12:16 |
| AlanBell | smittix: they asked I think | 12:17 |
| smittix | AlanBell: Ahh ok. I asked too and got refused :/ | 12:17 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Oh, just go to: http://doublespeed.virginmedia.com/ | 12:18 |
| smittix | That was a few years ago though | 12:18 |
| * AlanBell has haggis & eggs for lunch | 12:19 | |
| popey | oooo! | 12:19 |
| popey | I have haggis, you just reminded me | 12:20 |
| popey | yay! | 12:20 |
| AlanBell | haggis & eggs is a great combination | 12:21 |
| AlanBell | probably even works with shop eggs ;) | 12:21 |
| bigcalm_lappy | I want haggis | 12:21 |
| popey | yeah, I can imagine that | 12:21 |
| bigcalm_lappy | But doubt I'll get it in this cafe | 12:21 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Hmmm - Lunch... Curry, Curry or... Ah I Know. CURRY! | 12:22 |
| oimon | smittix: a few yrs ago, it was OK for .co.uk | 12:22 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Or maybe Oxtail Soup. | 12:22 |
| popey | smittix: there is no 'getting away with' using ubuntu in the domain name, anyone can | 12:39 |
| popey | there is a trademark policy | 12:39 |
| popey | which is pretty permissive | 12:39 |
| JGJones | smittix - the actual truth is that they've got certain photos that shouldn't be exposed ;-) | 12:50 |
| Neoti_Laptop | hi im having problems with rendering in kdenlive | 12:52 |
| Neoti_Laptop | when i record a screen cast with gtk-recordmydesktop and view the ogv file everything looks fine, when i put it in to kdenlive i get little gray blocks and the text is all distorted on when i view it with clip monitor. any ideas ? | 12:52 |
| Neoti_Laptop | i have created a profile to match my monitor size and fps etc... | 12:52 |
| Neoti_Laptop | any help ? | 12:52 |
| popey | I have never had much success editing ogv files in any editor really | 12:52 |
| popey | one reason I switched from recordmydesktop to kazam | 12:53 |
| popey | KAZAM! | 12:53 |
| popey | should have an exclamation in the name | 12:53 |
| Neoti_Laptop | how do i get that ? is it windows ? | 12:54 |
| popey | no, linux | 12:54 |
| popey | !kazam | 12:54 |
| popey | bah | 12:54 |
| AlanBell | like Joomla! | 12:54 |
| popey | and Yahoo! | 12:54 |
| smittix | popey: I got told by someone from Canonical that I couldn't use the name Ubuntu in my domain name. | 12:54 |
| popey | https://launchpad.net/kazam | 12:54 |
| popey | smittix: depends what you're doing on the domain | 12:54 |
| popey | given how many people who work for canonical read omg, I don't think they have a problem | 12:55 |
| AlanBell | http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy | 12:55 |
| smittix | This was a few years back with the same time of site that OMG has become. | 12:55 |
| smittix | It was called UbuntuHOW | 12:56 |
| popey | i remember that | 12:56 |
| gord | hey me too | 12:56 |
| gord | we should get the How2 guys to do something on ubuntu | 12:56 |
| AlanBell | smittix: I suspect OMG started out then said "we have 30,000 readers, can we use the trademark?" | 12:57 |
| smittix | True, although I had a fair number of readers too. | 12:57 |
| smittix | I downed the site anyway and tried something else. | 12:57 |
| popey | can someone else try and buy a laptop from shop.lenovo.com, just go as far as adding it to the basket and try to pay | 12:59 |
| popey | you wont get to the enter credit card stuff i suspect | 12:59 |
| popey | checkout.lenovo.com is dead | 12:59 |
| AlanBell | smittix: a read of the trademark policy does make your questions entirely understandable, they are squarely in the "very unlikely" definition | 12:59 |
| smittix | Permission from us is necessary to use any of the Trademarks under any circumstances other than those specifically permitted above. These include: Use in a domain name or URL. | 12:59 |
| smittix | Yeah | 12:59 |
| smittix | Nevermind. I hope my new domain name gets a decent response. heh | 12:59 |
| popey | ubuntuwhy.com? ☺ | 13:00 |
| gord | popey, don't be tempted by third party sites though, they add £500 to the price | 13:00 |
| smittix | heh nixaddict.com | 13:00 |
| AlanBell | smittix: I raised the question with trademarks ages and ages ago, if Canonical wanted to force OMG to rebrand they would have done it by now | 13:01 |
| smittix | AlanBell: Ok | 13:01 |
| popey | given sabdfl likes the site, thats not going to happen really is it? | 13:01 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Tabs are not a good thing to have | 13:03 |
| popey | gord: do you have the one with the camera? | 13:03 |
| gord | popey, yup, not a bad camera | 13:05 |
| popey | the 720p one? | 13:05 |
| gord | doesn't seem to be, but cheese is hanging | 13:07 |
| popey | nice | 13:07 |
| gord | oh wait yes it is | 13:07 |
| oimon | You are now leaving Lenovo's website and being redirected to the website of Digital River, the seller and merchant of recor | 13:08 |
| Neoti_Laptop | ok how do i use kazam... just recorded a test but can not find the file ... | 13:08 |
| Neoti_Laptop | :P | 13:08 |
| gord | popey, http://ubuntuone.com/0mRbkT6uMdwLPeoG7jsABu - quality involved | 13:09 |
| popey | haha | 13:09 |
| oimon | popey: is there a phone number in the site? | 13:09 |
| oimon | fails for me too | 13:09 |
| popey | dunno oimon but I expect nothing will be fixed until america properly wakes up | 13:10 |
| oimon | joy | 13:10 |
| gord | davmor2, just plays games all day, easiest job in the world | 13:15 |
| Neoti_Laptop | popey where does kazam store its recordings theres no prompts nothing to say when its placed the file ? | 13:16 |
| popey | Neoti_Laptop: it prompts you when you finish recording | 13:16 |
| popey | edit or save | 13:16 |
| popey | choose save, then it pops up a usual dialog | 13:16 |
| Neoti_Laptop | ok i dont have either option on my screen and just recorded 2 videos... | 13:17 |
| popey | odd | 13:17 |
| popey | maybe ask in #kazam | 13:17 |
| davmor2 | gord: I have to read books too | 13:18 |
| Neoti_Laptop | i have latest ubuntu with unity etc... i have no options i just recorded another 10 sec video thinking i must have missed it or been thick but nope nothing i have pause, finissh , record set up ... nothing else .. | 13:19 |
| popey | its under active development | 13:19 |
| popey | you may have found a bug | 13:19 |
| Neoti_Laptop | lol.... everything i touch at the moment seems to have a bug ... :P .... doh! | 13:21 |
| popey | ☺ | 13:21 |
| Neoti_Laptop | i want to record my screen and edit it with kdenlive ... the pgv file in mplayer looks fine kkdenlive it fooking it up .... all i want to do is add some titles thats it ... agh!!! | 13:22 |
| Neoti_Laptop | *ogv | 13:22 |
| Neoti_Laptop | the videos i have watchedc on vimeo and youtube show it working fine... but for me it dont fooking work .... and i followed them to the letter.... | 13:23 |
| Neoti_Laptop | im of to get some food as im now getting grouchy and fooked off with this ... lol ... sorry guys .. just want it to work ... | 13:24 |
| mgdm | Anyone here using Cinnamon as their desktop? | 13:29 |
| Daviey | mgdm: No, but i did have cinnamon on my ice cream the other day. | 13:30 |
| ubuntubhoy | I had it in a shot, Fireball. Lovely | 13:30 |
| ubuntubhoy | Cinnamon & whisky shot, real nice | 13:30 |
| * popey is reminded of all those videos of people eating a teaspoon of cinnamon | 13:31 | |
| daubers | back in the day we went to war so they could have a teaspoon of cinnamon | 13:32 |
| daubers | Or was it nutmeg..... might have been both | 13:32 |
| oimon_ | wasn't that dune? | 13:32 |
| * czajkowski is reminded of the song, just a spoon full of sugar.... | 13:32 | |
| === oimon_ is now known as oimon | ||
| daubers | We went to war with the dutch over nutmeg, so maybe I was thinking of that | 13:33 |
| === oimon is now known as Guest72520 | ||
| * Guest72520 test | 13:36 | |
| Guest72520 | argh | 13:36 |
| Guest72520 | i thought i'd try irssi instead of pidgin - how can i get nickserv to use my nick? | 13:36 |
| Guest72520 | though it was / msg nickserv identify user pass | 13:37 |
| mgdm | try /nick yournick | 13:37 |
| daubers | yup, but you need to change your nick first | 13:37 |
| Guest72520 | it's ignoring me | 13:37 |
| daubers | still signed in somewhere else? | 13:38 |
| Guest72520 | no | 13:38 |
| Guest72520 | get no response from nickserv | 13:38 |
| Guest72520 | i'll try more brutal tactics.. | 13:39 |
| DJones | A bit worrying when Symantec go public and say stop using our software http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16740153? | 13:47 |
| davmor2 | hmmmmmmm currryyyyyyyyyyy | 13:53 |
| ubuntubhoy | Edwina ? | 13:56 |
| oimon_ | man ,irc is a dark art | 14:02 |
| davmor2 | No real curry fro dinner | 14:02 |
| davmor2 | for even | 14:02 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: prod afternoon | 14:02 |
| czajkowski | davmor2: oi oi | 14:02 |
| MooDoo | czajkowski: davmor2 PROD POKE PROD to you both | 14:04 |
| czajkowski | MooDoo: ello | 14:04 |
| * davmor2 tickles czajkowski | 14:05 | |
| czajkowski | I haz no tickles :/ | 14:05 |
| * bigcalm_lappy hugs czajkowski | 14:06 | |
| * czajkowski locks bigcalm_lappy davmor2 and MooDoo in a room together | 14:06 | |
| bigcalm_lappy | :o | 14:07 |
| bigcalm_lappy | What did I do wrong to deserve that? | 14:07 |
| * MooDoo smashes out of the room with davmor2 as a battering ram and give czajkowski a big kiss on the cheek :) xx | 14:07 | |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: but then the three of us can plot against you together you sure that's a good move :P | 14:07 |
| bigcalm_lappy | This place has become colder now that mrevil has left | 14:07 |
| czajkowski | lack of body heat | 14:08 |
| czajkowski | cuddle davmor2 | 14:08 |
| davmor2 | oi get off you weirdo | 14:09 |
| bigcalm_lappy | I think gord might complain | 14:09 |
| bigcalm_lappy | czajkowski: davmor2 is picking on me! | 14:33 |
| czajkowski | have you been paying attention all this time, pick on him! | 14:35 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: speak English woman I know you're Irish and all that, and I know my English sucks but hey....... | 14:37 |
| * czajkowski peers at davmor2 | 14:38 | |
| * AlanBell wonders about beer in Farnham soonish | 14:40 | |
| bigcalm_lappy | 3pm? | 14:40 |
| AlanBell | well, maybe not that soon | 14:40 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | make it 4 and you're on | 14:40 |
| oimon_ | raspberry pi featured on radio 4 | 14:40 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Yes, I heard that too oimon_ | 14:41 |
| davmor2 | MOOOOOOOOO! | 14:41 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: behave woman :) | 14:41 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm_lappy: is just praising you all apart from czajkowski | 14:41 |
| AlanBell | beer in London thursday/friday next week might work too | 14:42 |
| czajkowski | nest thursday | 14:42 |
| czajkowski | is good before fosdem train on friday ;) | 14:42 |
| AlanBell | yes, next thursday is good, TheOpenSourcerer and I have a vTiger day then | 14:43 |
| oimon_ | hope we'll see some good python and C courses coming out of RPi | 14:43 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: the cask ? | 14:45 |
| daubers | tempted to get a few rpi's and try and run some basic programming courses at the hacksapce | 14:45 |
| daubers | directhex: Minecraft 1.2 will have new LWJGL | 14:46 |
| AlanBell | czajkowski: cask is OK, I think we are in goodge street | 14:47 |
| AlanBell | anywhere central is good | 14:47 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: the surrey lot may know of somethign closer I only know that one and the fact you can book tables | 14:47 |
| Barry | t | 14:48 |
| directhex | daubers, they said that for beta 1.3 or so | 14:49 |
| directhex | daubers, i still have a bug open | 14:49 |
| oimon_ | is software-center crashiness in 12.04 alpha a known issue? | 14:51 |
| popey | AlanBell: next thursday i can probably make too | 14:52 |
| directhex | Daniel Kaplan (Official Rep) 10 months ago | 14:52 |
| directhex | This will be fixed in 1.5. We have updated lwjgl Sorry for the trouble. | 14:52 |
| DJones | directhex: From the latest release notes, "As you know, Minecraft is run using the Light-weight Java Game Library (LWJGL). We’ve been using a really old version of LWJGL because last time we tried to update it the game broke down and became unplayable for a lot of people. We are going to try to update it again once we release Minecraft 1.2." | 14:53 |
| directhex | DJones, "once we release 1.2" means "after 1.2 is out" | 14:54 |
| daubers | directhex: :) | 14:58 |
| DJones | directhex: cynic :) | 14:59 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Coppers in here, oh mu | 15:05 |
| bigcalm_lappy | my | 15:05 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Wow - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/26/windows_azure_money_maker_not/ MS making $60m on Azure... Bet they spent more on those "Cloud Power" ads on London Underground... | 15:05 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Sorry, not making, but revenue figure | 15:06 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Well, copper, singular | 15:06 |
| smittix | hmm Dia is pretty good. | 15:16 |
| smittix | I now have a digital diagram of our racks heh | 15:17 |
| === oimon_ is now known as oimon | ||
| * oimon holds down the super key in precise, gets a nice surprise | 15:26 | |
| AlanBell | the overlay shortcut guide :) | 15:26 |
| oimon | i was talking to someone on the train who said he had to stop using unity because the shortcuts overrode his normal ones :-\ | 15:29 |
| directhex | i killed the super key thing in unity | 15:33 |
| directhex | it broke gnome do | 15:33 |
| oimon | yeah i think my friend only ever used terminal & an IDe | 15:37 |
| ali1234 | who is good for registering domains? | 15:37 |
| ali1234 | i want a .tv | 15:37 |
| oimon | symantec advises disabling PC anywhere after it's code was 'open sourced' ..good confidence in a product there | 15:39 |
| zleap | hello | 15:40 |
| popey | oimon: old code | 15:40 |
| zleap | oimon, was thjs relaed to anonomous saying they had got hold of the source code and were going to publically release it | 15:41 |
| oimon | zleap, it wasn't anonymous but someone who found old code on some indian military(?) servers | 15:42 |
| zleap | ah | 15:42 |
| zleap | pc anywere thats the remote access stuff right | 15:42 |
| gord | ali1234, gandi.net are pretty great, not sure if they do .tv though | 15:42 |
| ali1234 | they do | 15:43 |
| ali1234 | and they are the cheapest i've seen yet | 15:43 |
| gord | good service with them | 15:44 |
| DJones | oimon: The latest advice from Symantec says that the stolen material had included blueprints for Norton Antivirus Corporate Edition, Norton Internet Security, Norton SystemWorks (Norton Utilities and Norton GoBack) and pcAnywhere. | 15:45 |
| AlanBell | "blueprints" | 15:45 |
| AlanBell | media dumbed down term for source code | 15:45 |
| zleap | I will probably send for a pack of 100 12.04 cd's when available | 15:45 |
| zleap | to me software blue print would be a piece of paper where someone has say sketched out what the UI would look like, | 15:46 |
| AlanBell | zleap: I can give you a heap of CDs | 15:46 |
| zleap | ok cool | 15:47 |
| AlanBell | where are you based? | 15:47 |
| zleap | well if I get this computer group set up, i will look in to that | 15:47 |
| zleap | Paignton | 15:47 |
| AlanBell | ok, if you can figure out how to get them from Farnham or London you can have them | 15:48 |
| zleap | ok, what would the postage be ? | 15:48 |
| zleap | given to buy 100 it costs >81 quid i can't see it costing anywhere near that to send via mail , I can send you a cheque or something for postage | 15:50 |
| jonathonf | oh i don't know, according to peter cannon's g+ it can cost £32 to post some stickers | 15:52 |
| zleap | hmm | 15:53 |
| zleap | well the cost includes postage for 100 cds | 15:53 |
| ali1234 | gord: got a referal code you want me to use or anything? | 15:53 |
| gord | ali1234, nah | 15:54 |
| zleap | maybe I can stick all the ones I have here in an envelope, (count em) then ask at the post office how much it may cost to send them | 15:54 |
| zleap | that would give me a rough idea | 15:54 |
| jonathonf | standard parcels, no tracking, 5kg, £13.61 | 15:56 |
| jonathonf | http://www.royalmail.com/price-finder | 15:57 |
| jonathonf | 10kg is £17.53 | 15:57 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Parcelforce 48hr should be around £10 for UK mainland. | 15:59 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | With an account it is about £8 IIRC. | 15:59 |
| ali1234 | any idea why openshot says libx264 is missing, when i have it? | 16:04 |
| ali1234 | oh, nvm it tells you how to fix it | 16:04 |
| popey | heh | 16:04 |
| zleap | hi popey | 16:04 |
| jonathonf | holy moly: http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/618486main_earth_full.jpg | 16:04 |
| zleap | wow | 16:05 |
| MooDoo | yeah it's the earth, big deal ;) | 16:05 |
| zleap | quite good detail | 16:06 |
| ali1234 | http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/BlueMarble/ | 16:06 |
| ali1234 | 500 metres/pixel | 16:06 |
| popey | tis a lovely pic | 16:07 |
| popey | shame it's USA ☺ | 16:07 |
| ali1234 | http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/BlueMarble/BlueMarble_monthlies.php | 16:07 |
| zleap | i am sure they have taken others | 16:07 |
| popey | wow, clicking that jpg, x just exploded | 16:07 |
| popey | had to login again | 16:07 |
| ali1234 | the 8000x8000 one? | 16:08 |
| popey | yeah, dunno if that triggered it | 16:08 |
| popey | but it was just after | 16:08 |
| shauno | heh, bluemarble at 500m/px is telling me it has 31 minutes left on 1.3GB. yeouch | 16:09 |
| ali1234 | they have torrents | 16:09 |
| popey | http://paste.ubuntu.com/817811/ | 16:10 |
| shauno | I think torrents would be slower on work's network. they like to block anything they can spell | 16:10 |
| zleap | you can see outflow from the mississipi river i think, | 16:10 |
| shauno | the US looks pretty baren from space | 16:12 |
| zleap | yeah, it looks better at nigfht you can see where cities are | 16:12 |
| shauno | it was more the lack of green that gets me | 16:12 |
| popey | someone made a ruby script which grabs the daily satellite pic of the uk iirc | 16:12 |
| zleap | cool | 16:13 |
| AlanBell | oh heck | 16:13 |
| zleap | ok what makes ruby and ruby on rails different from say python or c | 16:13 |
| popey | different language | 16:13 |
| gord | would be nice to get some thing like that to make a daily desktop wallpaper | 16:13 |
| gord | that might be fun to code | 16:13 |
| popey | yeah, thats what it did | 16:13 |
| jonathonf | ruby is similar to python, they're both interpreted | 16:13 |
| zleap | yeah but wha would i use ruby for | 16:13 |
| jonathonf | c is a lower-level language | 16:13 |
| zleap | right | 16:13 |
| AlanBell | if you accidentally do something very silly with rm, in what order does it delete things? | 16:14 |
| zleap | not sure | 16:14 |
| ali1234 | whatever order they are on disk | 16:14 |
| daubers | AlanBell: Normally the order of "ARGHH!!! OH MY GOD ARGHHHHHH!" | 16:14 |
| popey | inode order? | 16:14 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 16:14 |
| zleap | so rm -r / means that root goes first | 16:14 |
| popey | no | 16:14 |
| popey | you can't delete root | 16:15 |
| heeed | ubuntu in the news again http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16731071 | 16:15 |
| jonathonf | iirc ext doesn't delete the data, just unlinks the inode, so you should be able to recover it (somehow) | 16:15 |
| AlanBell | I caught it fairly quick, just don't know what it did | 16:15 |
| shauno | I think it uses the same order you'll see with ls -U | 16:16 |
| zleap | AlanBell, if I pay postage are you happy to send the cd's please ? | 16:16 |
| AlanBell | zleap: sure | 16:16 |
| popey | http://extundelete.sourceforge.net/ | 16:16 |
| zleap | I will try and figure out how much it costs to send 20 - 25 cd's i have that many older ones here | 16:16 |
| shauno | I'm assuming he's a good geek and has backups, just isn't sure what he's retreiving from them ;) | 16:16 |
| zleap | AlanBell, thanks | 16:17 |
| * popey hugs his backups | 16:18 | |
| zleap | Ok will ask at post office sometime over the next few days | 16:18 |
| ali1234 | so does this HUD thing have a way to list all possible commands? | 16:19 |
| zleap | its nice in that article that xerox parc have been given proper credit for the development of the GUI many people believe it was MS or Apple I think | 16:20 |
| gord | ali1234, nope | 16:20 |
| ali1234 | also how does it work with programs like blender? | 16:20 |
| gord | it doesn't | 16:20 |
| ali1234 | well that's a bit rubbish then | 16:20 |
| gord | well it uses appmenu, so anything that doesn't support appmenu, hud can't do | 16:20 |
| ali1234 | so basically it doesn't work with anything that isn't gtk or qt and doesn't work with anything xhosted? | 16:21 |
| zleap | so that sounds like a good reason for people to build in that support and hopefully they will do so | 16:21 |
| gord | i actually want to spend some time adding appmenu support to blender :) can see it being very useful there | 16:22 |
| ali1234 | not really | 16:22 |
| ali1234 | you hardly ever use the menus in blender | 16:22 |
| ali1234 | it is designed to be used with 1 hand on keyboard and one hand on mouse at all times | 16:22 |
| ali1234 | that's why all keyboard shortcuts are like "a" and not "ctrl-shift-a" | 16:22 |
| AlanBell | would the hud help with blender if it did work then? | 16:23 |
| ali1234 | no, because it requires you to take your hand off the mouse | 16:23 |
| gord | it would help me in blender | 16:23 |
| ali1234 | it would just slow down an experienced blender user | 16:23 |
| ali1234 | well, unless they learn to type really fast with their left hand | 16:23 |
| gord | experienced users will always use the key combos | 16:23 |
| gord | for anything | 16:23 |
| ali1234 | even beginners use the shortcuts in blender because there's no alternative | 16:24 |
| gord | i use the menus | 16:24 |
| ali1234 | :/ | 16:24 |
| gord | because i don't know all the key combinations | 16:24 |
| gord | nor do i use it enough to learn them | 16:24 |
| ali1234 | that must be sloooooooow | 16:24 |
| ali1234 | you must know a b g | 16:24 |
| gord | i know a few | 16:24 |
| ali1234 | x y z | 16:24 |
| gord | i know the common things, its the uncommon ones i don't | 16:24 |
| ali1234 | and the numpad | 16:25 |
| gord | which is what hud would be good for | 16:25 |
| oimon | HUD and ubuntu tv both seem to have had a warm reception (few noisy naysayers).. | 16:25 |
| ali1234 | that's because all the naysayers already left | 16:26 |
| oimon | even on g+ etc. even naysayers have to put their hands up and say, well at least it's an interesting concept | 16:26 |
| daubers | \o/ | 16:26 |
| ali1234 | personally i think it's awful | 16:26 |
| oimon | "few" naysayers | 16:26 |
| ali1234 | but presumably it will be as easy to kill as global menus | 16:26 |
| AlanBell | yeah, don't tap alt | 16:27 |
| ali1234 | unlike the window management, which is kind of fundamental | 16:27 |
| gord | you think everything is awful though ali1234 ;) | 16:27 |
| oimon | buttons on the left still don't work for me | 16:27 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 16:27 |
| AlanBell | I am happy with menus going back into windows, global menu doesn't work for me | 16:27 |
| ali1234 | global menu is going? | 16:27 |
| AlanBell | gord: did you see the bug suggestion about putting the HUD on the application | 16:28 |
| * oimon wonders if popey got his lenovo in the end | 16:28 | |
| popey | when i installed hud, i realised how little I ever use menus | 16:28 |
| gord | AlanBell, i did | 16:28 |
| popey | nope oimon | 16:28 |
| AlanBell | ali1234: yeah, it will be optional | 16:28 |
| ali1234 | about time :) | 16:28 |
| oimon | thinkpad on the ISS is a great PR :) | 16:28 |
| popey | sabdfl took a thinkpad to ISS | 16:29 |
| AlanBell | gord: that would really make sense for me, if the hud was window attached, top left of my left monitor is quite a long way from where I do most work really | 16:29 |
| popey | sadly running windows | 16:29 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| ali1234 | does anyone else get anoyed when you try to click "back" in firefox or something, and the launcher slides out and covers it, and you accidentally click on something else? | 16:29 |
| popey | nope | 16:29 |
| AlanBell | popey: and he did some blender renders on it | 16:29 |
| popey | because I have the launcher always out | 16:29 |
| gord | AlanBell, might change it so its per monitor. but not per app anytime soon | 16:29 |
| oimon | http://ubuntuone.com/4dajA311koyxyyYWuqMWEd breakfast anyone? | 16:30 |
| ali1234 | awsome | 16:30 |
| ali1234 | where is that? | 16:30 |
| oimon | his is a genuine breakfast from a cafe in Great Yarmouth that my mate told me about. Its called the "Kids breakfast" because it weighs the same as a small child @ 10 pounds!! It costs 15 quid and If you eat it within 60 minutes you get it for free.....noone has ever finished | 16:30 |
| ahayzen | oimon: Now thats what i call breakfast :) | 16:31 |
| jonathonf | tsk... that's so unhealthy. non-diet coke. | 16:31 |
| ali1234 | i could eat that. not in 60 minutes though | 16:31 |
| ali1234 | the bread is the killer | 16:31 |
| popey | I'd struggle with the toast | 16:31 |
| oimon | i'd need real life gaviscon men and a gaviscon hose pipe | 16:31 |
| popey | jeez, its toast, fried and raw bread! | 16:31 |
| AlanBell | that looks fabulous | 16:32 |
| oimon | apparently the cafe is called jesters | 16:32 |
| jpds | jonathonf: And diet coke is healthy? | 16:32 |
| oimon | what are the black things | 16:33 |
| ali1234 | black pudding | 16:33 |
| jonathonf | well... no... but i couldn't come up with a better "joke" :( | 16:33 |
| zleap | that looks awsome | 16:33 |
| zleap | and yummy | 16:33 |
| zleap | mind you, it would be good with a few friends to share | 16:33 |
| oimon | i coudn't eat anything that's touched a baked bean | 16:33 |
| oimon | one of my little "things" | 16:33 |
| popey | hahaha | 16:34 |
| * popey rubs baked beans all over the channel | 16:34 | |
| zleap | oimon, same here | 16:34 |
| zleap | i like tinned spaghetti though | 16:34 |
| === AlanBell changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | Meeting 2nd February 21:00 UK time #ubuntu-uk-meeting | baked beans ftw \o/ | ||
| popey | i never used to eat baked beans then when i was 17 I went to a friends house and his mum made baked bean toasties | 16:34 |
| oimon | if i find a baked bean in the kitchen sink, it's game over | 16:34 |
| popey | i ate one and discovered they were lovely | 16:34 |
| oimon | my 2yr old son eats curried baked beans, at least they smell ok | 16:35 |
| oimon | i can eat alphabetti spaghetti, | 16:35 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | That's a bit light on bacon if you ask me. | 16:35 |
| shauno | I can't imagine what game ends with beans in the sink | 16:35 |
| zleap | yeah or spaghetti rings | 16:35 |
| oimon | shauno, the washing up game | 16:35 |
| oimon | i always lose | 16:35 |
| daubers | curried bakes beans are _awesome_ | 16:35 |
| directhex | competitive eating protip: soak your bread | 16:35 |
| directhex | dip it in any liquid you have | 16:36 |
| shauno | oimon: get a dishwasher. they're like robots, without the revolts | 16:36 |
| directhex | shauno, your dishwasher hasn't revolted yet? | 16:36 |
| oimon | i have one, but still pots, pans and baby stuff need sink attention | 16:36 |
| zleap | its odd that both come in tomato sauce, so it must be the taste of the beans in the sauce, | 16:36 |
| oimon | the texture of a bean is the worst thing ever | 16:36 |
| popey | you are odd | 16:37 |
| oimon | only by society's majority verdict | 16:37 |
| oimon | my least favourite liquid drink in the world is tea | 16:37 |
| shauno | directhex: revolting, but not revolted | 16:37 |
| popey | my daughter loved the cauliflower pizza I made yesterday | 16:37 |
| oimon | i want bacon and sossy sandwich now | 16:38 |
| zleap | i don't like tea either | 16:38 |
| daubers | oimon: Are you really a closet american? | 16:38 |
| zleap | hey me and oimon seem to have quite a bit in common | 16:38 |
| === popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | Meeting 2nd February 21:00 UK time #ubuntu-uk-meeting | Tea & baked beans ftw \o/ | | ||
| directhex | zleap, poor you :( | 16:38 |
| zleap | lol | 16:39 |
| zleap | well i we all have one thing in common - ubuntu | 16:39 |
| shauno | feeling I should keep quiet on that one | 16:40 |
| zleap | well Linux then | 16:40 |
| popey | gord: comment on the youtube video about hud... | 16:40 |
| popey | "What about dyslexic people?" | 16:40 |
| ali1234 | why does openshot only export 9 seconds of video from a 10 second project? | 16:41 |
| gord | popey, supports them better than most search algorithms | 16:41 |
| zleap | time paradox | 16:41 |
| shauno | taxes | 16:41 |
| zleap | it seems the school version of the raspberry pi will have a case, hopefully a trans parent one, so people can see in side, | 16:42 |
| zleap | i would probably need one of those simply to demo it in the after school club | 16:43 |
| shauno | I'm astounded how much the innocent inclusion of a space in trans parent completely changed my mental picture | 16:44 |
| zleap | sorry | 16:44 |
| zleap | i see your point | 16:44 |
| zleap | transparent | 16:44 |
| zleap | hmm my shelf currently has a row of books, 1x latex book, 1x playwork book, 1x first aid manual, 1x html book, 1x football (nfl) for dummies book and a dummies book on autism | 16:47 |
| zleap | a real mix there eh | 16:47 |
| shauno | oh I wasn't trying to be picky about it. just never saw that word in that light before :) | 16:47 |
| zleap | shauno, no problem, until you pointed it out i hadn't noticed how the meaning was changed | 16:48 |
| shauno | how quickly my head went from rasberry pi, to tim curry | 16:48 |
| popey | http://www.jestersdiner.com/gallery | 16:48 |
| zleap | nice | 16:48 |
| zleap | is that were you get that huge breakfast from | 16:50 |
| andylockran | Howdy all | 16:57 |
| Linuxsapien | meh | 16:57 |
| Linuxsapien | no one listens in here now :( | 16:58 |
| andylockran | Is it best to store files in MySQL, or references to files and store them in a web-accessible dir? | 16:58 |
| ujjain | The discussions were all but done. - Discussions were close to ´done´ or not at all close? | 16:58 |
| ujjain | sorry about the English question :P It ś a hard language. | 16:58 |
| ali1234 | andylockran: depends on the file size | 16:58 |
| ali1234 | ujjain: close to done | 16:58 |
| ujjain | You should not save files in MySQL. | 16:58 |
| ali1234 | i disagree | 16:58 |
| ujjain | ¨I am all but happy about this¨ = unhappy. It seems, hmm. | 16:59 |
| ali1234 | nobody would ever say that | 16:59 |
| directhex | BLOB is the devil. don't store files in mysql | 16:59 |
| ujjain | I have a very big image gallery, I have the meta database in database. | 16:59 |
| ujjain | and the files hosted on the server. | 16:59 |
| ujjain | Yes, directhex++. | 16:59 |
| ujjain | especially if you have 5000 visitors daily, it´s painful. | 16:59 |
| ujjain | to get every 1mb file from the MySQL, data integrity scary, meta data in SQL, + files on server, was an obvious best choice for me. | 17:01 |
| ujjain | ¨I am all but happy about this¨ < does this make sense. does it mean you are unhappy? | 17:03 |
| DJones | Probably black pudding or burnt mushrooms | 17:03 |
| DJones | Ugh | 17:03 |
| ali1234 | ujjain: it doesn't make sense | 17:03 |
| ali1234 | nobody would say that | 17:04 |
| shauno | I can see the logic, but you'd never hear it used | 17:04 |
| ujjain | ali1234: I see, it sounds very natural to me, but the exact same construction makes the exact opposite here. | 17:04 |
| ujjain | I am all but happy would be a way of saying ¨I am totally unhappy about this¨. | 17:04 |
| ujjain | ¨The talks are all but constructive¨ would be a good way to say the talks are in/un/constructive (inconstructive) | 17:05 |
| shauno | for an odd definition of 'good'. if you're at all unsure about how the other party will understand the phrase, it's better to be unambiguous | 17:06 |
| ujjain | ¨the talks are all but constructive¨ < does this make any sense? | 17:06 |
| andylockran | ali1234: yeah, I should probably just store directory paths | 17:06 |
| AlanBell | it is a colloquialism, not many people in not many parts of the country would say that ujjain | 17:06 |
| AlanBell | in fact all but a few would say it ;) | 17:07 |
| ali1234 | ujjain: no, you can only use that idiom in relation to completeness of a task | 17:07 |
| ujjain | AlanBell: ah ok :) I´ll interpret ´all but´, as close... but not totally. | 17:07 |
| ujjain | ali1234: thanks a lot! :) | 17:07 |
| ali1234 | argh openshot is so buggy | 17:07 |
| ali1234 | every time i try a new program i find several bugs. does anyone else actually use this stuff? | 17:08 |
| shauno | no. they just write tutorials on how easy it is to install ubuntu, and then go back to using their macs for useful work | 17:09 |
| shauno | (really should have added a smiley to that one) | 17:09 |
| shauno | just always found it odd that instalation tutorials have always vastly outnumbered any other task-based tutorial. "what's next" is severly under-represented | 17:11 |
| ali1234 | true dat | 17:11 |
| ali1234 | if installing is so easy, why are you telling us how to do it for the 10 millionth time? | 17:12 |
| ali1234 | bug 922196, bug 922203, bug 922207 | 17:17 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 922196 in openshot (Ubuntu) "openshot cuts off the last second of video when exporting to bluray" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/922196 | 17:17 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 922203 in openshot (Ubuntu) "down dissolves revert to up dissolves when moved on the timeline" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/922203 | 17:17 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 922207 in openshot (Ubuntu) ""replace clip" does not work if the new clip has the same filename but is in a different directory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/922207 | 17:17 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: did we settle on the cask for next thursday ? | 17:38 |
| AlanBell | TheOpenSourcerer: sound good to you? ^ | 17:40 |
| AlanBell | it is in pimlico | 17:40 |
| AlanBell | not quite sure why we are going to pimlico for expensive beer, but I am fine with the cask | 17:40 |
| brobostigon | afternononings eevryone. | 17:41 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: we can book a table and thursday being busy plus nice beer :) | 17:42 |
| AlanBell | and I suppose if popey is coming from the tower of power it is convenient for that | 17:43 |
| czajkowski | and ade | 17:43 |
| czajkowski | but not from the tower | 17:43 |
| popey | to the tower! | 17:44 |
| Azelphur | jacobw popey AlanBell dunno if you saw me saying at like 3am last night, added a bunch of stuff including XMPP support, https://github.com/Azelphur/TwistedCat :D | 17:45 |
| Azelphur | netcat to your android phone \o/ | 17:45 |
| popey | heh | 17:46 |
| awilkins | #svn | 17:46 |
| * czajkowski imagines ade walking from the tower covered in flames from passing through the door | 17:46 | |
| AlanBell | ade has bounced on my trampoline I think | 17:48 |
| popey | he has | 17:48 |
| AlanBell | um, that isn't a very strange euphamism | 17:48 |
| czajkowski | ROFLOL | 17:50 |
| * AlanBell grumbles at hud | 17:52 | |
| gord | from reddit.com/r/flossworldproblems "Canonical prototyping a search bar got more press than FreeBSD 9 (freebsd.org)" ¬_¬ | 17:52 |
| AlanBell | it broke my global menu, but if hud searched properly I wouldn't need the global menu because I would be using the hud | 17:52 |
| gord | made me giggle | 17:52 |
| AlanBell | bug 921068 needs fixing, then I don't need menus any more | 17:53 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 921068 in Application Menu Indicator "HUD search results for full words are not matching correctly" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921068 | 17:53 |
| gordonjcp | heh | 17:53 |
| gordonjcp | I couldn't get any sense out of HUD at all | 17:53 |
| gordonjcp | start to type in "File", get to "Fil" and it would be showing "View->Filters" | 17:54 |
| gordonjcp | okay, maybe it wants "open" then "o-p-e" "View->Highlighting Mode->OpenCL" | 17:56 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| popey | gordonjcp: why would you want 'file' ? | 18:00 |
| gordonjcp | popey: to, uh, open a file | 18:01 |
| popey | right | 18:01 |
| popey | but the menu option to open a file is 'open' as you then tried | 18:01 |
| gordonjcp | popey: I certainly didn't want View->Filters and don't remember gedit even having that as an option | 18:02 |
| zleap | yeah i want to be able to seachj for files but then know which folder it is in, so perhaps a feature you get with firefox downloads open containing folder would be good | 18:02 |
| gordonjcp | popey: right, which matched "OpenCL" | 18:02 |
| popey | which is duff | 18:02 |
| popey | ope finds open for me | 18:02 |
| dogmatic69 | is there a way I can make /dev/ttyS0 point to /dev/ttyUSB0 | 18:02 |
| popey | (in gedit) | 18:02 |
| MartijnVdS | dogmatic69: ln -s ? | 18:03 |
| zleap | popey, would a symlink do that (asking about dogmatic69s question) | 18:03 |
| dogmatic69 | MartijnVdS: ttyS0 exists, can I just delete it? | 18:03 |
| zleap | ok to answer that question - yes :) | 18:03 |
| popey | gord: is there a bug already filed that menus disappear? | 18:04 |
| MartijnVdS | dogmatic69: yes, or move it aside | 18:04 |
| gordonjcp | popey: I couldn't really spend a lot of time on it, the graphics corruption was too bad | 18:04 |
| popey | ahhh | 18:04 |
| popey | bummer | 18:04 |
| MartijnVdS | dogmatic69: won't stick beyond reboot anyway | 18:04 |
| gordonjcp | popey: 12.04 just isn't happy on my machine | 18:04 |
| zleap | MartijnVdS, what would happen if you put it in the bash-rc fle | 18:05 |
| zleap | file | 18:05 |
| dogmatic69 | cool, thanks | 18:05 |
| MartijnVdS | zleap: don't put device stuff in a bashrc | 18:05 |
| zleap | ok | 18:05 |
| zleap | just asking | 18:05 |
| MartijnVdS | Best way to make it stick would be using udev rules | 18:05 |
| MartijnVdS | But it's usually a better option to "educate" the program that's trying to use the wrong device | 18:05 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| * AlanBell sees an update for the hud :) | 18:17 | |
| * brobostigon puts a berrel of hooky on the community table for eeveyone to heko themselves to, he is feeling generous. | 18:19 | |
| brobostigon | help* | 18:19 |
| AlanBell | aaah the hud mixes up stuff from the indicators with stuff from the app you are in because it is all one menu | 18:38 |
| popey | yeah, so you can press alt then type shutdown I guess | 18:39 |
| AlanBell | yeah, I couldn't work out why it was always showing me thunderbirds new message in random apps like gedit | 18:40 |
| AlanBell | but it is because it is showing options from the messages indicator | 18:40 |
| AlanBell | I think the searching is better now, but it is still better at fuzzy matching than exact matching | 18:41 |
| bigcalm | I have returned! | 19:27 |
| bigcalm | Don't all get up at once | 19:31 |
| ali1234 | who is this lord richard allan guy? | 20:11 |
| ali1234 | facebook can't possibly realise that a large proportion of their "users" are in fact bots accounts created specifically to carry out malicious acts | 20:12 |
| ali1234 | so is he lying to a judge or what? | 20:13 |
| jacobw | zzz | 20:29 |
| jacobw | nested tmux sessions are annoying | 20:29 |
| popey | ali1234: no idea what you're on about ☺ | 20:45 |
| AlanBell | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16742870 | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | yeah, that | 20:45 |
| AlanBell | I was just reading it | 20:46 |
| AlanBell | in an "oh, so *thats* what ali1234 was on about" kind of way | 20:46 |
| ali1234 | i've heard that facebook bot owners typically have thousands of bot accounts | 20:46 |
| ali1234 | it only takes a photo of a sexy girl and you can get 300 friends easily | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | so much for neighbourhood watch | 20:48 |
| bigcalm | Time for a Facebook cull! Wonder if I'll cull myself this time | 20:49 |
| smittix | Evening all | 20:53 |
| jacobw | evening smittix | 20:54 |
| smittix | Website woes tonight. Thought I'd give myself a break | 20:54 |
| jacobw | what's up? | 20:55 |
| smittix | Just setup my VPS to serve a wordpress site and im getting Server Error 500's | 20:56 |
| smittix | Im sure there is a PHP module I have missed. I can remember having this problem a while back. | 20:56 |
| smittix | But can't for the life of me remember the name of the package I installed to get it working. | 20:57 |
| Azelphur | smittix: have you checked /var/log/apache2/error.log assuming your using apache2 | 20:57 |
| smittix | Azelphur: Yeah, Nothing there that stands out. | 20:58 |
| Azelphur | :( | 20:59 |
| smittix | Yeah nothing to go from at all really | 20:59 |
| smittix | ahhh. Light bulb moment. | 21:00 |
| smittix | brb | 21:00 |
| smittix | Nope that was not it. | 21:01 |
| jacobw | are you installing from packages? | 21:08 |
| TK5791 | Hello | 21:51 |
| TK5791 | Am I in the right channel to get some help with Ubuntu? | 21:51 |
| Azelphur | !ask | TK5791 | 21:52 |
| lubotu3 | TK5791: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience | 21:52 |
| Azelphur | :) | 21:52 |
| TK5791 | how do I mount a network drive in Ubuntu? | 21:52 |
| Azelphur | what type of network drive? | 21:53 |
| TK5791 | Seagate NAS | 21:53 |
| TK5791 | Go Flex to be procise | 21:53 |
| Azelphur | hmm, not sure what protocol they talk | 21:53 |
| bigcalm | When in doubt, try smb/cifs | 21:58 |
| TK5791 | my dictionary doesn't work in LibreOffice, anyone know how to fix? | 21:59 |
| TK5791 | anyone home/ | 22:01 |
| TK5791 | there are 133 users on this channel and no one is saying anything? | 22:01 |
| TK5791 | what gives??? | 22:01 |
| AlanBell | we are all asleep | 22:01 |
| TK5791 | sounds like your all dead more like | 22:02 |
| AlanBell | generally if people don't know the answer they don't say anything, plus loads of people are connected 24/7 but not at their computers | 22:02 |
| AlanBell | undead | 22:02 |
| AlanBell | what dictionary? | 22:03 |
| TK5791 | UK English | 22:03 |
| TK5791 | in Libra it simply doesn't appear | 22:03 |
| AlanBell | hmm, works for me | 22:04 |
| AlanBell | are you on oneiric (11.10) | 22:04 |
| TK5791 | when I attempt to spell check it just tell me that everything is ok and then quits | 22:04 |
| TK5791 | however I know that some of the words are wrong. | 22:04 |
| AlanBell | no wavey red underlines on words? | 22:05 |
| TK5791 | nope | 22:05 |
| ahayzen | in the status bar at the bottom does it have 'English (UK)' ? | 22:05 |
| TK5791 | yes | 22:05 |
| TK5791 | however when I attempt to specify UK English as the main dictionary nothing happens | 22:06 |
| TK5791 | very frustrating | 22:06 |
| TK5791 | in fact Ubuntu is very frustrating period | 22:06 |
| TK5791 | strike that last remark | 22:06 |
| TK5791 | linux is very frustrating | 22:07 |
| zleap | why | 22:07 |
| ahayzen | Is autospell check enabled? | 22:07 |
| TK5791 | yes | 22:09 |
| TK5791 | tools - language - for all text - English (UK) (I'm unable to put a tick against this) | 22:11 |
| ahayzen | i can't either but my spell check is working | 22:11 |
| TK5791 | well then you are either lucky or I am just dam unlucky | 22:12 |
| ahayzen | so if you go Tools => Options => language settings => writing aids ... are all the 'User defined dictionaries' ticked? | 22:13 |
| smittix | Azelphur: sorted it | 22:13 |
| Azelphur | smittix: :D | 22:13 |
| smittix | I was right with the "lightbulb moment" | 22:13 |
| smittix | I just didnt restart apache heh | 22:13 |
| TK5791 | yep | 22:13 |
| smittix | I hadn't installed php5-gd | 22:14 |
| TK5791 | can anyone suggest an open source alternative to Libra? | 22:15 |
| TK5791 | Libre | 22:15 |
| bigcalm | Abiword | 22:15 |
| TK5791 | <bigcalm> thank you I'll give it a try | 22:16 |
| ahayzen | bigcalm: I like abiword :) | 22:16 |
| zleap | libreoffice is open source or do you want a simpler program ? | 22:18 |
| TK5791 | no no no.... I want a program that works | 22:21 |
| TK5791 | libreoffice dictionary isn't working.... and no one seems to know how to fix it | 22:22 |
| TK5791 | this all = frustration | 22:22 |
| ahayzen | TK5791: You could try the specific libreoffice channel (#libreoffice), as most of us here aren't libreoffice experts | 22:24 |
| AlanBell | and normally it just works | 22:24 |
| popey | TK5791: within libreoffice writer, if you go to tols -> spelling and grammar, what do you see in the top part of that window? | 22:24 |
| AlanBell | so you installed 11.10 from scratch right? | 22:24 |
| popey | http://popey.com/~alan/lo.png | 22:27 |
| popey | should look like that | 22:27 |
| TK5791 | it should look like this but all I get is an empty box next to Text Language | 22:30 |
| TK5791 | clearly the software hasn't engaged the dictionary | 22:30 |
| popey | ahh, thats good! | 22:30 |
| TK5791 | assigned the dic is probably a better way of putting it | 22:31 |
| popey | the box which on my picture has English in, is that empty and if you click it there's no options there? | 22:31 |
| TK5791 | correct | 22:31 |
| popey | ok | 22:31 |
| popey | so the dictionary isnt installed by the look of it | 22:32 |
| AlanBell | oh, it uses the system dictionaries | 22:33 |
| TK5791 | really | 22:33 |
| TK5791 | doesn't it come pre installed? | 22:33 |
| popey | it does, yes | 22:33 |
| popey | something has gone awry | 22:33 |
| TK5791 | that figures | 22:33 |
| AlanBell | yes it does, but it isn't a libreoffice dictionary, it is across the whole shebang | 22:33 |
| popey | there's a single one line command I could give you which could just fix it | 22:33 |
| popey | if you are okay opening up a terminal? | 22:34 |
| TK5791 | terminal right? | 22:34 |
| popey | yeah, if you can get to a terminal and issue this command it should install any missing stuff | 22:34 |
| TK5791 | ok I'm ready | 22:34 |
| TK5791 | do I need to quit the application 1st? | 22:34 |
| popey | now, there's one check before we do it, are you using Ubuntu or Kubuntu or some other derivative like Mint? | 22:34 |
| popey | yes | 22:34 |
| TK5791 | ubuntu | 22:35 |
| popey | ok | 22:35 |
| popey | sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^ | 22:35 |
| popey | that is the command | 22:35 |
| popey | the caret on the end is important | 22:35 |
| popey | it will ask for your password | 22:35 |
| popey | then it _should_ install extra missing stuff | 22:35 |
| TK5791 | ok | 22:36 |
| TK5791 | its completed install I'll give it a bash | 22:37 |
| popey | did it download and install stuff? | 22:37 |
| popey | maybe stuff with dictionary type names? | 22:37 |
| TK5791 | it installed something.... do I need to do something in the software to assign the dictionary? | 22:38 |
| popey | shouldn't have to | 22:38 |
| popey | it should figure it out | 22:38 |
| popey | if not, then something else may be amiss | 22:38 |
| TK5791 | ok... then nothing has changed | 22:38 |
| popey | hmm | 22:38 |
| popey | ok, in libreoffice go to Tools -> Options | 22:39 |
| TK5791 | ok | 22:40 |
| popey | Then on the left under 'Language Settings' there is 'Writing aids' | 22:40 |
| TK5791 | yep | 22:40 |
| popey | http://popey.com/~alan/lo.png | 22:41 |
| popey | thats what mine looks like | 22:41 |
| TK5791 | i appear to be missing GB English | 22:43 |
| popey | ahh, thats progress | 22:43 |
| popey | no idea how you add that | 22:43 |
| popey | congratulations! you have successfully reached the limits of my libreoffice knowledge! | 22:44 |
| popey | You win a prize ☺ | 22:44 |
| TK5791 | ok | 22:44 |
| TK5791 | thanks anyway | 22:44 |
| popey | I don't know if AlanBell knows more ☺ | 22:44 |
| AlanBell | ok, lets see | 22:45 |
| AlanBell | ok TK5791 can you go to the system settings program and find the language support option in there | 22:46 |
| AlanBell | so in the dash search for system settings, or it might be on the launcher bar | 22:46 |
| smittix | TK5791: What version of Ubuntu? | 22:47 |
| TK5791 | found it Alan | 22:48 |
| TK5791 | its updating the language.. something was missing apparently | 22:48 |
| AlanBell | oooh | 22:48 |
| popey | yay | 22:48 |
| AlanBell | in that list it should start with English (United Kingdom) followed by English | 22:49 |
| TK5791 | aye ;) | 22:49 |
| AlanBell | then some other colonies of the old British Empire | 22:49 |
| TK5791 | fixed | 22:50 |
| AlanBell | yay | 22:50 |
| TK5791 | its working now | 22:50 |
| TK5791 | blimey that was a slog | 22:50 |
| TK5791 | thank you thank you thank you thank you | 22:50 |
| smittix | another happy customer. | 22:51 |
| TK5791 | now if I could only figure out how to mount a network drive | 22:51 |
| popey | a windows one? | 22:51 |
| bigcalm | Whenever I move my mouse to the bottom of this monitor, I keep expecting it to then appear on my Xoom tablet. Too many screens on this desk - | 22:53 |
| TK5791 | no I linux one... Go Flex Seagate to be more precise | 22:54 |
| AlanBell | TK5791: in the nautilus file manager go to file-connect to server, in the type dropdown select the type of share (windows, ssh, etc) and put in the address to connect to | 22:54 |
| dutchie | hmmm | 22:55 |
| dutchie | cron is doing something strange | 22:55 |
| smittix | bigcalm: HEH | 22:55 |
| bigcalm | The device may show up on your 'Network' places | 22:55 |
| dutchie | well, not doing anything at all | 22:56 |
| TK5791 | sorry don't know where Nautilus is | 22:56 |
| bigcalm | dutchie: what should it be doing? | 22:56 |
| bigcalm | 'something' | 22:56 |
| dutchie | it's supposed to be running a desktop background rotation script and a script wrapper round get_iplayer | 22:57 |
| dutchie | but it isn't | 22:58 |
| AlanBell | TK5791: nautilus is the name of the file manager, like finder or windows explorer | 22:58 |
| dutchie | I added a "* * * * * echo hi > /home/josh/cronstamp" and that ran | 22:58 |
| TK5791 | I've found connect to server | 22:58 |
| dutchie | so i am assuming there is something wrong with the lines invoking the scripts | 22:58 |
| TK5791 | it seems to be what you're referring to | 22:59 |
| AlanBell | great | 22:59 |
| TK5791 | does afp mean anything | 22:59 |
| TK5791 | I can see the drive, but can it mounted like a folder in win? | 23:00 |
| bigcalm | AFP is a news site | 23:00 |
| AlanBell | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Filing_Protocol | 23:00 |
| TK5791 | AFP Volume | 23:00 |
| bigcalm | Oh | 23:00 |
| AlanBell | dunno if it supports that, most NAS devices present stuff as windows shares as well as other protocols | 23:01 |
| dutchie | ok, changing from "/path/to/script" to "/bin/bash /path/to/script" didn't make a difference | 23:01 |
| bigcalm | dutchie: if you're calling a .sh, try "/bin/sh /home/josh/myfunkyscript.sh" | 23:01 |
| dutchie | heh | 23:01 |
| * bigcalm shrugs :S | 23:01 | |
| TK5791 | I own a mac but I can assure you the drive wasn't set up on the mac but rather on Win vista | 23:01 |
| AlanBell | bug 846473 | 23:02 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 846473 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Browse networks shows afp mounts but can't mount them" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/846473 | 23:02 |
| AlanBell | apparently the fix is that it can mount them now | 23:03 |
| AlanBell | I suspect the NAS box can serve up the same stuff as a windows share, AFP thing webdav etc. etc. The one that is advertised best is the AFP share, but it might not be the best one to connect to | 23:03 |
| TK5791 | ok | 23:05 |
| TK5791 | thank you again Alan... you've been a trem help | 23:05 |
| smittix | laptopamabob | 23:10 |
| dutchie | i made an askubuntu thing, http://askubuntu.com/questions/98855/cron-jobs-not-running | 23:10 |
| smittix | Can anyone access nixaddict.com ? | 23:14 |
| bigcalm | Oops, nothing here :( | 23:14 |
| smittix | that's ok. I can't get anything. Must be DNS | 23:14 |
| smittix | No post's I have only just brought it up. | 23:15 |
| bigcalm | I see | 23:17 |
| bigcalm | Yes, the site works for me | 23:17 |
| smittix | ta :) | 23:17 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| HazRPG | \o greets from Egypt! | 23:28 |
| AlanBell | o/ HazRPG | 23:48 |
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