=== webpigeon is now known as Guest89490 [00:00] AlanBell: contrast with packaging for Arch... [00:01] Arch is a real mixed bag of a project [00:01] AlanBell: take a sample PKGBUILD file, fill in the blanks, run makepkg [00:02] if you're doing it properly you do a test build in a clean chroot so it ensures that all deps are pulled in correctly [00:02] some of the packages in Ubuntu aren't very good at that [00:02] jackd for example is pretty fundamentally on drugs [00:03] install jackd2, it pulls in qjackctl and all the Qt deps [00:03] *why*? [00:03] better than the rpm based distros in general I think [00:05] Arch has some quite good documentation, but the project ethos of being self-centred as possible kind of encourages a pretty toxic community from what I have seen of it [00:06] AlanBell: mh [00:06] AlanBell: it's pretty much the same as any distro [00:06] 99.9% of the people involved just get on with it, and then there are 0.1% of noisy arseholes who make a nuisance of themselves [00:07] yeah, might be that I only bump into the 0.1% [00:08] it doesn't help that #archlinux gets periodically crapflooded by people going "ZOMG N000BZORS USE UBUNTU1!!1!!1!!! LOLZ LOLZ LOLZ" [00:09] they are not the residents? [00:09] maybe those are the people I bump into [00:10] no [00:12] I had a look on their mailing list earlier to see what that was like, seemed to be a big discussion about how to make it less user friendly [00:12] I am curious to know where the people who write the good documentation are [00:16] oh, i have another example [00:17] install any app that uses ffmpeg, it pulls in DECNET support for networking of PDP11s [00:18] AlanBell: I don't know, I think it's far more user-friendly than Ubuntu [00:18] it's a lot easier to install [00:19] none of this tedious mucking about with unetbootin and then having a weirdly broken-looking textmode installer that just sits there for ten minutes apparently doing nothing [00:21] I actually only have 1 issue with the Ubuntu installer, it never imports users from other Ubuntu installs for me [00:21] but that could be because I usually only have single user setups === nigelb_ is now known as nigelb [00:23] ubuntubhoy: I don't like the horrible unetbootin menu thing [00:23] because it doesn't give you any feedback that it's actually doing anything [00:23] has it hung? is it just slow? is it supposed to take ten minutes? [00:23] the trick is to use a USB stick with an access LED on it [00:24] why on earth would you use unetbootin? [00:25] directhex: because the iso doesn't work if you just dd it to a usb stick [00:25] I kinda agree on unetbootin, but it is so damn handy [00:26] and I always use usb over disk [00:27] plus USB creator has only ever worked on a few of my installs [00:27] I've never managed to get usb creator to create anything that resembled a bootable disk [00:29] I mean, I've got an iso, ran usb-creator, examined the stick afterwards and there is *nothing* that even vaguely looks like any sane BIOS could boot it [00:29] lol [00:29] mostly it just refuses to do anything for me [00:29] just craps out [00:30] yeah [00:30] * AlanBell sees a gord bug making headlines at OMG [00:30] I mean why isn't there just an image that you can write to a USB stick? [00:30] why have the extra step of making an iso, that needs to be converted back to something that'll go on a USB drive? [00:33] I guess it means that you can write a CD-R with it [00:33] presumably travelling back in time to when you could buy blank CD-Rs and drives to use them with is left as an exercise for the user [00:34] it's bizarre, there are images for booting from legacy optical media, but not from 9-track magtape? [00:35] hmm, Biffy Clyro headlining Rock Ness [00:35] a) biffy clyro, b) Inverness [00:36] c) good times [00:36] chuck in some people with beaded dreadlocks and you've got a perfect storm of awful [00:36] lol [00:36] and I've probably got to do some tech for the too [00:36] are non-beaded dreadlocks ok then [00:37] yes because when you set them on fire you don't get hit by bead shrapnel [00:37] music festivals *suck* these days [00:37] but dreadlock beads tend to be plastic - so you get melt burn as well [00:38] bloody jugglers and facepainters everywhere and then charging five quid for a lukewarm can of Tennents [00:38] hmm [00:38] can anyone help me decipher some old handwritten text? [00:39] and a half-cooked burger that's been lying in a tupperware box in direct sunlight all morning growing botulinum toxin [00:39] old as in 1970's ? [00:39] cpnangil^: how old? [00:39] and where are you? [00:39] Im in boston [00:40] obviously Ubuntu-UK makes sense then [00:40] claims to be from 1662 [00:40] cpnangil^: I know a paleographic analyst [00:41] cpnangil^: if you can get up to Edinburgh she may be able to help you out [00:41] it's just up the A1 [00:41] she will want paid though. You may have to buy her some very nice shoes. [00:41] http://i.imgur.com/6bDf7.jpg [00:42] I can figure it partially [00:46] you got the original [00:47] keck, build crashed again [00:48] time for baw, baws - laters === cpnangil^ is now known as cazcaz [03:44] jacobw popey AlanBell for when you guys wake up, added a bunch of stuff including XMPP support, https://github.com/Azelphur/TwistedCat :D [03:54] (netcat to your android phone, because I can!) [08:06] AlanBell, not a bug :P [08:09] morning all [08:10] Morning all [08:14] Morning [08:15] join #smugmug [08:15] oops [08:16] MooDoo, is very proud of his mug [08:19] gord: I see HUD made the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16731071 [08:20] neat [08:20] gord: smug tastic :) [08:20] Morning everyone - Howdidoodee? [08:40] gord: not a bug? I think you are over-weighting the centre pixel [09:14] czajkowski: you idle get wake up, morning prod :P [09:15] davmor2: be warned she's not having much fun on the tube at the moment :D [09:16] ooh, my themes have disappeared [09:16] MooDoo: oh joy [09:17] ok, so i suspect I have the same thing that happened to gordonjcp [09:18] the theme was removed yesterday and it defaulted back to some other theme and moved the buttons to the right [09:18] maybe [09:19] yay, ubuntu-desktop was missing [09:19] * popey installs a zillion missing packages [09:20] alpha ubuntu is alpha :P [09:25] gord: hud does sometimes annoyingly pop up when i alt-tab [09:26] after I have alt-tabbed to another window, the window appears and I start typing and it ends up in the hud, not the app [09:27] you've been hud-winked [09:43] Good morning all! [09:46] morning [09:50] Oh finder, why are you so pants [09:50] popey, yeah alt is tricky, alt tab slower for now [09:51] I blame czajkowski for these noise school kids ruining our co-working space [09:52] AlanBell, so you know the code splits the image up in to quadrants right, well what it does is it tests those quadrants to see if there is a lot of difference, if there is, it delves in to them more. by altering a specific pixel you trick the code in to investigating those quadrants more, i think it will go up to 8 levels deeper. point is that by changing that pixel, you trick the code in to paying way more attention there. its not a bug, its an exploit [09:53] the "fix" would be to just do the simple average every pixel approach, but thats way to slow [09:53] Hazar, I is 'ere! [09:54] There's a silly school trip visiting the Light House today. It might be saner to converse via IRC [09:54] https://twitter.com/#!/daubers/status/162473275044282368/photo/1 <- Why I dispise finder on osx [09:54] Poor Alex is the only one not in channel [09:54] that pretty much ruins the point [09:55] daubers: the first file is in RAID1 :D [09:55] oimon: :p [09:55] actually btrfs will allow you to do that [09:56] The first file is actually on a raid6 [09:56] the second file is on the macs internal drive [09:56] same file just copied across [09:58] gord: it goes 16 levels deep, the point is that the centre pixel is shared by all 4 of the first level quadrants so it gets counted 4 times [10:01] hmmm...having a facebook for the enterprise (yammer) seems to be an excuse to spend all day on it [10:01] Nutella? [10:01] constant streams of gubbins coming from corporate services types [10:03] gord: the fix would be to make the quadrants 1px smaller all round, so the top left one would be 1,1 to centreX-1,centreY-1 rather than 0,0 to centreX,centreY [10:04] AlanBell, patches welcome [10:05] gord: sure, do you agree with my thinking? [10:06] AlanBell, if they are *all* reduced by one pixel around, it'll always pick different pixels, which will stop the exploit sure [10:06] well, i could still exploit it ;) but yeah [10:07] yeah, a diagonal cross in the centre would still do it [10:24] howdy all [10:24] gnnnnn [10:24] my laptop is unusable now, these GPU lockups are driving me nuts [10:25] getting spammed from sony psn because some numpty got his email address wrong on christmas day [10:25] anyone have recommendations for a CRM - Sugar looks interesting but be interesting to see what other people do? [10:25] can't unsubscribe [10:27] i have the same problem from microsoft xbox [10:29] popey: mbp7,1 GPU lockups? [10:29] i regularly get flight tickets, share dividend notices, loads of stuff from my similarly named eejit twins [10:29] yes Daviey [10:29] popey: odd.. using non-free? [10:29] yes [10:30] popey: not that this helps, but graphics are fine for me :/. [10:30] bug 921450 [10:30] Launchpad bug 921450 in xorg (Ubuntu) "nVidia GPU lockup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921450 [10:30] popey: in other news, the sound bug your reported was fixed day before yesterday [10:31] which sound bug? [10:32] * popey looks at the lenovo site [10:32] popey: are you monitoring the gpu temperature? [10:32] popey: the sound issue on the mbp [10:32] bug 909419 [10:33] Launchpad bug 909419 in linux (Ubuntu) "[Several MacBooks (with PCI SSID 10de:cb89)] Choppy sound. Videos play double speed" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/909419 [10:33] oh that one ☺ [10:33] popey: what is your fan doing? [10:33] not much [10:33] can you get gpu temps from the cli? [10:36] popey: hmm, i seem to have lost /proc/acpi/thermal_zone [10:36] i dont have that either Daviey [10:37] oh awesome, I had that sound bug too === deegee is now known as drussell [10:37] silly macbooks [10:37] dave@voodoo:~$ sudo nvidia-settings -q [gpu:0]/GPUCoreTemp 2>/dev/null | grep Attribute Attribute 'GPUCoreTemp' (voodoo:0[gpu:0]): 56. [10:37] line wrap fail [10:38] aloha [10:38] dave@voodoo:~$ sudo nvidia-settings -q [gpu:0]/GPUCoreTemp 2>/dev/null | grep Attribute [10:38] Attribute 'GPUCoreTemp' (voodoo:0[gpu:0]): 56. [10:38] davmor2: ello my dear [10:38] popey, nvidia-settings --query 0/gpucoretemp [10:38] that requires X ☺ [10:38] which is currently dead [10:38] czajkowski: prod, prodity prod prod prod prod prod prod prod prod prod prod prod [10:39] czajkowski: oh bigcalm says prod too [10:39] popey, yeah but this is nvidia ;) they don't really do nice open source ways of doing things [10:39] I was wondering why that didn't highlight [10:39] heh [10:39] Then I notice my nickname as I'm away from home [10:39] Hi peeps :) [10:39] gord: which x220? i5? [10:40] popey, i have an i3 x220, i think they go up to i5/i7 though [10:40] only real recommendation is the IPS screen and as much ram as you can fit in it [10:40] How much are they? [10:40] Ballpark figure [10:41] depends, anywhere from 600-1500 last i checked [10:41] Yikes [10:41] This i3 dell poop was just over 500 quid [10:41] they do a tablet version [10:41] Regret it every time I turn it on [10:41] * daubers got an i5 samsung for £400 [10:41] yeah, sladen has the tablet version [10:41] i like my dell lappy. served me well and still going god [10:42] /od/ood [10:42] This is a 1st gen i3 [10:42] popey: you /need/ X? [10:42] popey: well do you have SSH? [10:42] heh [10:42] gord: IPS screen? [10:42] Can you get IPS screens in laptops? [10:42] ssh -X alan@pos-laptop :) [10:43] popey, yeah, its really nice, basically has unlimited viewing angles [10:43] was only a few quid more when i checked [10:43] * Dave2 spent ages tracking down a laptop that wasn't 1366x768, didn't even try to find one that wasn't TN [10:43] Dave2: yes, but not with the capacitive finger touch on the X220 tablet version [10:43] Dave2: there aren't any. Give up; all of the displays are not 1024x768 panels, cut a bit wider [10:44] s/not/now/ [10:44] gord: http://popey.com/~alan/Selection_001.png [10:44] popey, "premium" [10:45] sladen: I got a 1600x900 laptop, still not great, but I wasn't willing to buy 1366x768 [10:45] gord: 6 or 9 cell? [10:46] popey, 9 cell will go 10 hours if ubuntu's not screwing up the power management like it always is ;) i got 9 cell [10:48] heh [10:49] gord: was it Ubuntu that broke power management? [10:49] Replace the spinning rust with an SSD and improve the battery life anyway? [10:50] http://popey.com/~alan/x220.png <- not cheap [10:50] Daviey, it was *fantastic* the week before platform sprint. amazing, wonderful - https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/112811220238447511854/albums/5693907288078855329/5693907286109635026 - but then kernel 3.2 dropped during platform sprint and i was back to 4-5 hours [10:51] sladen / gord comments on the above spec? [10:51] what's that "web price" ? [10:52] marketing gimmick? [10:52] popey, you might not need the i7, the i3 does just fine for me - chances are you can get the ram cheaper on amazon or ebuyer too. ssd is almost certainly worth it - i'm waiting for UDS and will pick up one there [10:53] oimon: no it's a price for buying via the web as some places dont stop them or you do get a better price for buying things online [10:53] mine is a i5 [10:53] gord: I wonder if that is Ubuntu's fault or mainline kernel regression? :) [10:54] Daviey, well the confusing bit is that if i go back to the old kernel i don't get my power back.. very weird [10:57] interesting [10:58] gord: problem with buying RAM elsewhere is I'll end up with sticks of RAM 'spare' that I'll never use [10:58] I''ve got a lovely ssd, love it [10:58] popey, desk shrapnel [10:58] haha [10:58] hmm, maybe downgrade CPU, switch to SSD [10:58] gord: wow [10:59] that is nuts. [11:02] http://www.ebuyer.com/192734-lenovo-256gb-thinkpad-sdd-1-8-sata-ii-read-230mb-s-write-43n3417 [11:02] lolwut [11:02] yeah... ssds are expensive [11:03] http://www.ebuyer.com/318420-samsung-128gb-830-series-ssd-2-5-sata-ii-laptop-upgrade-kit-mz-7pc128n-eu is what i am after [11:03] usually £1 per gb [11:03] will that fit in your thinkpad? [11:05] i have been told it does ;) [11:05] i will need to do further investigation at some point [11:06] there was a thread about it on warthogs some time ago [11:07] lenovo website is sucking [11:07] "You are now leaving Lenovo's website and being redirected to the website of Digital River, the seller and merchant of record." [11:07] time passes [11:10] you were hit by a grue [11:18] No Guru Mediation error? [11:22] Somebody kill davmor2 now [11:23] davmor2 is looking lovingly at gord [11:23] At least it looks like that to me [11:26] * smittix prods MooDoo [11:26] Thanks for the ticket update MooDoo heh [11:27] bigcalm_lappy: is suddenly unable to see his screen as his fingers break it as I slam his lid down on his fingers [11:28] tut tut such violence [11:29] czajkowski: you love it [11:29] * bigcalm_lappy sips his coffee quitely [11:31] http://www.ebuyer.com/169923-tenda-wireless-n150-access-point-router-extender-w311r- [11:31] interesting device [11:31] 3 year warranty price is interesting [11:35] £12 quid? hard to trust [11:37] pics look v cheap quality [11:37] <_x_X_X_x_> hii [11:38] basically it's a wireless AP that supports bridging? [11:40] <_x_X_X_x_> how i can change group and owner from root to www-data? [11:43] chown www-data:www-data [11:44] use -R for recursive changes [11:44] If the group name is the same as the username, you can omit the group name [11:44] www-data: [11:49] technically correct would be: [11:49] sudo chown -R www-data: dir_tree_to_chown [11:49] hmm http://boingboing.net/2012/01/25/insane-english-copyright-rulin.html [11:49] Man my broadband is sick today: "Firefox can't find the server at www.google.co.uk." [11:49] or is it your dns? [11:50] Nah - loads of dropped packets on the adsl. [11:50] virgin? [11:50] dns is google ;-) [11:50] Nope [cough, cough] talktalkbusiness [11:51] I used to be on Pipex years ago - they have been bought, then the acquiree was bought and so forth until now I'm on talktalk and they are not optimal IMHO - But where I live I can't get much better from anyone anyway so it's rather moot really. [11:53] your area not cabled? [11:53] Hah CABLE! My telephone lines are aluminium... [11:54] We are on an exchange that BT don't think exists as far as supporting anything more that plain old adsl2 [11:54] owdo [11:54] Yet - I live in one of the most affluent parishes/boroughs in the country... Just there is too much space and not enough big houses I guess ;-) [11:55] AlanBell: Will find this interesting http://www.information-age.com/channels/the-cloud-and-virtualization/news/1680113/hillingdon-council-puts-3500-staff-on-google-apps.thtml [11:58] heeed: hey! [11:58] Lunchtime! [11:58] still whinging about the cable? [11:58] +1 for lunchtime [11:59] lunchtime? [12:00] not yet [12:02] not me heeed ☺ [12:02] * popey loves his cable [12:03] popey: you can now find out when you'll be getting 60mb [12:03] oh, how? [12:03] The checker tells be October [12:03] Go to my.vm [12:03] There it a link on there [12:06] joey @ omg does a great job around alpha/beta time of giving a round up of new features for those who are running alphas [12:06] nice to know what to gcheck with each apt-get [12:06] Skyrim for £20 on the PC/Wine http://www.greenmangaming.co.uk/games/rpgs/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-uk/ [12:07] (It's not from Steam but They give you a Steam key) [12:07] Why can't Dell sell their laptops with Ubuntu in UK like they do in US? :-< [12:07] Myrtti: which model? [12:08] if you ask, they sometimes do. [12:08] i see no link bigcalm_lappy [12:08] bah [12:09] TheOpenSourcerer: heh, so *thats* what they did in the end [12:10] oimon: dell vostro v131 [12:12] Myrtti: looks nice. always worth asking them [12:12] i've managed it on desktops [12:12] popey: log in and it'll hit you with a pop over [12:12] well, i manage to get no-OS rather that windows [12:14] vendors do seem to be cashing in on SSD ..prices seem high when purchased with a machine [12:15] I'm logged in, give me your postcode [12:16] Does anyone know how OMGUbuntu get away with using ubunu in their domain name? [12:17] smittix: they asked I think [12:17] AlanBell: Ahh ok. I asked too and got refused :/ [12:18] Oh, just go to: http://doublespeed.virginmedia.com/ [12:18] That was a few years ago though [12:19] * AlanBell has haggis & eggs for lunch [12:19] oooo! [12:20] I have haggis, you just reminded me [12:20] yay! [12:21] haggis & eggs is a great combination [12:21] probably even works with shop eggs ;) [12:21] I want haggis [12:21] yeah, I can imagine that [12:21] But doubt I'll get it in this cafe [12:22] Hmmm - Lunch... Curry, Curry or... Ah I Know. CURRY! [12:22] smittix: a few yrs ago, it was OK for .co.uk [12:22] Or maybe Oxtail Soup. [12:39] smittix: there is no 'getting away with' using ubuntu in the domain name, anyone can [12:39] there is a trademark policy [12:39] which is pretty permissive [12:50] smittix - the actual truth is that they've got certain photos that shouldn't be exposed ;-) [12:52] hi im having problems with rendering in kdenlive [12:52] when i record a screen cast with gtk-recordmydesktop and view the ogv file everything looks fine, when i put it in to kdenlive i get little gray blocks and the text is all distorted on when i view it with clip monitor. any ideas ? [12:52] i have created a profile to match my monitor size and fps etc... [12:52] any help ? [12:52] I have never had much success editing ogv files in any editor really [12:53] one reason I switched from recordmydesktop to kazam [12:53] KAZAM! [12:53] should have an exclamation in the name [12:54] how do i get that ? is it windows ? [12:54] no, linux [12:54] !kazam [12:54] bah [12:54] like Joomla! [12:54] and Yahoo! [12:54] popey: I got told by someone from Canonical that I couldn't use the name Ubuntu in my domain name. [12:54] https://launchpad.net/kazam [12:54] smittix: depends what you're doing on the domain [12:55] given how many people who work for canonical read omg, I don't think they have a problem [12:55] http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy [12:55] This was a few years back with the same time of site that OMG has become. [12:56] It was called UbuntuHOW [12:56] i remember that [12:56] hey me too [12:56] we should get the How2 guys to do something on ubuntu [12:57] smittix: I suspect OMG started out then said "we have 30,000 readers, can we use the trademark?" [12:57] True, although I had a fair number of readers too. [12:57] I downed the site anyway and tried something else. [12:59] can someone else try and buy a laptop from shop.lenovo.com, just go as far as adding it to the basket and try to pay [12:59] you wont get to the enter credit card stuff i suspect [12:59] checkout.lenovo.com is dead [12:59] smittix: a read of the trademark policy does make your questions entirely understandable, they are squarely in the "very unlikely" definition [12:59] Permission from us is necessary to use any of the Trademarks under any circumstances other than those specifically permitted above. These include: Use in a domain name or URL. [12:59] Yeah [12:59] Nevermind. I hope my new domain name gets a decent response. heh [13:00] ubuntuwhy.com? ☺ [13:00] popey, don't be tempted by third party sites though, they add £500 to the price [13:00] heh nixaddict.com [13:01] smittix: I raised the question with trademarks ages and ages ago, if Canonical wanted to force OMG to rebrand they would have done it by now [13:01] AlanBell: Ok [13:01] given sabdfl likes the site, thats not going to happen really is it? [13:03] Tabs are not a good thing to have [13:03] gord: do you have the one with the camera? [13:05] popey, yup, not a bad camera [13:05] the 720p one? [13:07] doesn't seem to be, but cheese is hanging [13:07] nice [13:07] oh wait yes it is [13:08] You are now leaving Lenovo's website and being redirected to the website of Digital River, the seller and merchant of recor [13:08] ok how do i use kazam... just recorded a test but can not find the file ... [13:08] :P [13:09] popey, http://ubuntuone.com/0mRbkT6uMdwLPeoG7jsABu - quality involved [13:09] haha [13:09] popey: is there a phone number in the site? [13:09] fails for me too [13:10] dunno oimon but I expect nothing will be fixed until america properly wakes up [13:10] joy [13:15] davmor2, just plays games all day, easiest job in the world [13:16] popey where does kazam store its recordings theres no prompts nothing to say when its placed the file ? [13:16] Neoti_Laptop: it prompts you when you finish recording [13:16] edit or save [13:16] choose save, then it pops up a usual dialog [13:17] ok i dont have either option on my screen and just recorded 2 videos... [13:17] odd [13:17] maybe ask in #kazam [13:18] gord: I have to read books too [13:19] i have latest ubuntu with unity etc... i have no options i just recorded another 10 sec video thinking i must have missed it or been thick but nope nothing i have pause, finissh , record set up ... nothing else .. [13:19] its under active development [13:19] you may have found a bug [13:21] lol.... everything i touch at the moment seems to have a bug ... :P .... doh! [13:21] ☺ [13:22] i want to record my screen and edit it with kdenlive ... the pgv file in mplayer looks fine kkdenlive it fooking it up .... all i want to do is add some titles thats it ... agh!!! [13:22] *ogv [13:23] the videos i have watchedc on vimeo and youtube show it working fine... but for me it dont fooking work .... and i followed them to the letter.... [13:24] im of to get some food as im now getting grouchy and fooked off with this ... lol ... sorry guys .. just want it to work ... [13:29] Anyone here using Cinnamon as their desktop? [13:30] mgdm: No, but i did have cinnamon on my ice cream the other day. [13:30]