[00:00] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: contrast with packaging for Arch...
[00:01] <AlanBell> Arch is a real mixed bag of a project
[00:01] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: take a sample PKGBUILD file, fill in the blanks, run makepkg
[00:02] <gordonjcp> if you're doing it properly you do a test build in a clean chroot so it ensures that all deps are pulled in correctly
[00:02] <gordonjcp> some of the packages in Ubuntu aren't very good at that
[00:02] <gordonjcp> jackd for example is pretty fundamentally on drugs
[00:03] <gordonjcp> install jackd2, it pulls in qjackctl and all the Qt deps
[00:03] <gordonjcp> *why*?
[00:03] <AlanBell> better than the rpm based distros in general I think
[00:05] <AlanBell> Arch has some quite good documentation, but the project ethos of being self-centred as possible kind of encourages a pretty toxic community from what I have seen of it
[00:06] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: mh
[00:06] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: it's pretty much the same as any distro
[00:06] <gordonjcp> 99.9% of the people involved just get on with it, and then there are 0.1% of noisy arseholes who make a nuisance of themselves
[00:07] <AlanBell> yeah, might be that I only bump into the 0.1%
[00:08] <gordonjcp> it doesn't help that #archlinux gets periodically crapflooded by people going "ZOMG N000BZORS USE UBUNTU1!!1!!1!!! LOLZ LOLZ LOLZ"
[00:09] <AlanBell> they are not the residents?
[00:09] <AlanBell> maybe those are the people I bump into
[00:10] <gordonjcp> no
[00:12] <AlanBell> I had a look on their mailing list earlier to see what that was like, seemed to be a big discussion about how to make it less user friendly
[00:12] <AlanBell> I am curious to know where the people who write the good documentation are
[00:16] <directhex> oh, i have another example
[00:17] <directhex> install any app that uses ffmpeg, it pulls in DECNET support for networking of PDP11s
[00:18] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: I don't know, I think it's far more user-friendly than Ubuntu
[00:18] <gordonjcp> it's a lot easier to install
[00:19] <gordonjcp> none of this tedious mucking about with unetbootin and then having a weirdly broken-looking textmode installer that just sits there for ten minutes apparently doing nothing
[00:21] <ubuntubhoy> I actually only have 1 issue with the Ubuntu installer, it never imports users from other Ubuntu installs for me
[00:21] <ubuntubhoy> but that could be because I usually only have single user setups
[00:23] <gordonjcp> ubuntubhoy: I don't like the horrible unetbootin menu thing
[00:23] <gordonjcp> because it doesn't give you any feedback that it's actually doing anything
[00:23] <gordonjcp> has it hung? is it just slow? is it supposed to take ten minutes?
[00:23] <gordonjcp> the trick is to use a USB stick with an access LED on it
[00:24] <directhex> why on earth would you use unetbootin?
[00:25] <gordonjcp> directhex: because the iso doesn't work if you just dd it to a usb stick
[00:25] <ubuntubhoy> I kinda agree on unetbootin, but it is so damn handy
[00:26] <ubuntubhoy> and I always use usb over disk
[00:27] <ubuntubhoy> plus USB creator has only ever worked on a few of my installs
[00:27] <gordonjcp> I've never managed to get usb creator to create anything that resembled a bootable disk
[00:29] <gordonjcp> I mean, I've got an iso, ran usb-creator, examined the stick afterwards and there is *nothing* that even vaguely looks like any sane BIOS could boot it
[00:29] <ubuntubhoy> lol
[00:29] <ubuntubhoy> mostly it just refuses to do anything for me
[00:29] <ubuntubhoy> just craps out
[00:30] <gordonjcp> yeah
[00:30]  * AlanBell sees a gord bug making headlines at OMG
[00:30] <gordonjcp> I mean why isn't there just an image that you can write to a USB stick?
[00:30] <gordonjcp> why have the extra step of making an iso, that needs to be converted back to something that'll go on a USB drive?
[00:33] <gordonjcp> I guess it means that you can write a CD-R with it
[00:33] <gordonjcp> presumably travelling back in time to when you could buy blank CD-Rs and drives to use them with is left as an exercise for the user
[00:34] <gordonjcp> it's bizarre, there are images for booting from legacy optical media, but not from 9-track magtape?
[00:35] <ubuntubhoy> hmm, Biffy Clyro headlining Rock Ness
[00:35] <gordonjcp> a) biffy clyro, b) Inverness
[00:36] <ubuntubhoy> c) good times
[00:36] <gordonjcp> chuck in some people with beaded dreadlocks and you've got a perfect storm of awful
[00:36] <ubuntubhoy> lol
[00:36] <gordonjcp> and I've probably got to do some tech for the <word I won't use on #ubuntu-uk> too
[00:36] <ubuntubhoy> are non-beaded dreadlocks ok then
[00:37] <gordonjcp> yes because when you set them on fire you don't get hit by bead shrapnel
[00:37] <gordonjcp> music festivals *suck* these days
[00:37] <ubuntubhoy> but dreadlock beads tend to be plastic - so you get melt burn as well
[00:38] <gordonjcp> bloody jugglers and facepainters everywhere and then charging five quid for a lukewarm can of Tennents
[00:38] <cpnangil^> hmm
[00:38] <cpnangil^> can anyone help me decipher some old handwritten text?
[00:39] <gordonjcp> and a half-cooked burger that's been lying in a tupperware box in direct sunlight all morning growing botulinum toxin
[00:39] <ubuntubhoy> old as in 1970's ?
[00:39] <gordonjcp> cpnangil^: how old?
[00:39] <gordonjcp> and where are you?
[00:39] <cpnangil^> Im in boston
[00:40] <ubuntubhoy> obviously Ubuntu-UK makes sense then
[00:40] <cpnangil^> claims to be from 1662
[00:40] <gordonjcp> cpnangil^: I know a paleographic analyst
[00:41] <gordonjcp> cpnangil^: if you can get up to Edinburgh she may be able to help you out
[00:41] <gordonjcp> it's just up the A1
[00:41] <gordonjcp> she will want paid though. You may have to buy her some very nice shoes.
[00:41] <cpnangil^> http://i.imgur.com/6bDf7.jpg
[00:42] <cpnangil^> I can figure it partially
[00:46] <ubuntubhoy> you got the original
[00:47] <ubuntubhoy> keck, build crashed again
[00:48] <ubuntubhoy> time for baw, baws - laters
[03:44] <Azelphur> jacobw popey AlanBell for when you guys wake up, added a bunch of stuff including XMPP support, https://github.com/Azelphur/TwistedCat :D
[03:54] <Azelphur> (netcat to your android phone, because I can!)
[08:06] <gord> AlanBell, not a bug :P
[08:09] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:10] <DJones> Morning all
[08:14] <daubers> Morning
[08:15] <MooDoo> join #smugmug
[08:15] <MooDoo> oops
[08:16] <gord> MooDoo, is very proud of his mug
[08:19] <daubers> gord: I see HUD made the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16731071
[08:20] <gord> neat
[08:20] <MooDoo> gord: smug tastic :)
[08:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning everyone - Howdidoodee?
[08:40] <AlanBell> gord: not a bug? I think you are over-weighting the centre pixel
[09:14] <davmor2> czajkowski: you idle get wake up, morning prod :P
[09:15] <MooDoo> davmor2: be warned she's not having much fun on the tube at the moment :D
[09:16] <popey> ooh, my themes have disappeared
[09:16] <davmor2> MooDoo:  oh joy
[09:17] <popey> ok, so i suspect I have the same thing that happened to gordonjcp
[09:18] <popey> the theme was removed yesterday and it defaulted back to some other theme and moved the buttons to the right
[09:18] <popey> maybe
[09:19] <popey> yay, ubuntu-desktop was missing
[09:19]  * popey installs a zillion missing packages
[09:20] <oimon> alpha ubuntu is alpha :P
[09:25] <popey> gord: hud does sometimes annoyingly pop up when i alt-tab
[09:26] <popey> after I have alt-tabbed to another window, the window appears and I start typing and it ends up in the hud, not the app
[09:27] <oimon> you've been hud-winked
[09:43] <JamesTait> Good morning all!
[09:46] <MooDoo> morning
[09:50] <daubers> Oh finder, why are you so pants
[09:50] <gord> popey, yeah alt is tricky, alt tab slower for now
[09:51] <davmor2> I blame czajkowski for these noise school kids ruining our co-working space
[09:52] <gord> AlanBell, so you know the code splits the image up in to quadrants right, well what it does is it tests those quadrants to see if there is a lot of difference, if there is, it delves in to them more. by altering a specific pixel you trick the code in to investigating those quadrants more, i think it will go up to 8 levels deeper. point is that by changing that pixel, you trick the code in to paying way more attention there. its not a bug, its an exploit
[09:53] <gord> the "fix" would be to just do the simple average every pixel approach, but thats way to slow
[09:53] <bigcalm_lappy> Hazar, I is 'ere!
[09:54] <bigcalm_lappy> There's a silly school trip visiting the Light House today. It might be saner to converse via IRC
[09:54] <daubers> https://twitter.com/#!/daubers/status/162473275044282368/photo/1 <- Why I dispise finder on osx
[09:54] <bigcalm_lappy> Poor Alex is the only one not in channel
[09:54] <gord> that pretty much ruins the point
[09:55] <oimon> daubers: the first file is in RAID1 :D
[09:55] <daubers> oimon: :p
[09:55] <oimon> actually btrfs will allow you to do that
[09:56] <daubers> The first file is actually on a raid6
[09:56] <daubers> the second file is on the macs internal drive
[09:56] <daubers> same file just copied across
[09:58] <AlanBell> gord: it goes 16 levels deep, the point is that the centre pixel is shared by all 4 of the first level quadrants so it gets counted 4 times
[10:01] <oimon> hmmm...having a facebook for the enterprise (yammer) seems to be an excuse to spend all day on it
[10:01] <bigcalm_lappy> Nutella?
[10:01] <oimon> constant streams of gubbins coming from corporate services types
[10:03] <AlanBell> gord: the fix would be to make the quadrants 1px smaller all round, so the top left one would be 1,1 to centreX-1,centreY-1 rather than 0,0 to centreX,centreY
[10:04] <gord> AlanBell, patches welcome
[10:05] <AlanBell> gord: sure, do you agree with my thinking?
[10:06] <gord> AlanBell, if they are *all* reduced by one pixel around, it'll always pick different pixels, which will stop the exploit sure
[10:06] <gord> well, i could still exploit it ;) but yeah
[10:07] <AlanBell> yeah, a diagonal cross in the centre would still do it
[10:24] <andylockran> howdy all
[10:24] <popey> gnnnnn
[10:24] <popey> my laptop is unusable now, these GPU lockups are driving me nuts
[10:25] <oimon> getting spammed from sony psn because some numpty got his email address wrong on christmas day
[10:25] <andylockran> anyone have recommendations for a CRM - Sugar looks interesting but be interesting to see what other people do?
[10:25] <oimon> can't unsubscribe
[10:27] <popey> i have the same problem from microsoft xbox
[10:29] <Daviey> popey: mbp7,1 GPU lockups?
[10:29] <oimon> i regularly get flight tickets, share dividend notices, loads of stuff from my similarly named eejit twins
[10:29] <popey> yes Daviey
[10:29] <Daviey> popey: odd.. using non-free?
[10:29] <popey> yes
[10:30] <Daviey> popey: not that this helps, but graphics are fine for me :/.
[10:30] <popey> bug 921450
[10:30] <Daviey> popey: in other news, the sound bug your reported was fixed day before yesterday
[10:31] <popey> which sound bug?
[10:32]  * popey looks at the lenovo site
[10:32] <oimon> popey: are you monitoring the gpu temperature?
[10:32] <Daviey> popey: the sound issue on the mbp
[10:32] <Daviey> bug 909419
[10:33] <popey> oh that one ☺
[10:33] <Daviey> popey: what is your fan doing?
[10:33] <popey> not much
[10:33] <popey> can you get gpu temps from the cli?
[10:36] <Daviey> popey: hmm, i seem to have lost /proc/acpi/thermal_zone
[10:36] <popey> i dont have that either Daviey
[10:37] <Laney> oh awesome, I had that sound bug too
[10:37] <Laney> silly macbooks
[10:37] <Daviey> dave@voodoo:~$ sudo nvidia-settings -q [gpu:0]/GPUCoreTemp 2>/dev/null | grep Attribute Attribute 'GPUCoreTemp' (voodoo:0[gpu:0]): 56.
[10:37] <Daviey> line wrap fail
[10:38] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:38] <Daviey> dave@voodoo:~$ sudo nvidia-settings -q [gpu:0]/GPUCoreTemp 2>/dev/null | grep Attribute
[10:38] <Daviey>   Attribute 'GPUCoreTemp' (voodoo:0[gpu:0]): 56.
[10:38] <czajkowski> davmor2: ello my dear
[10:38] <gord> popey, nvidia-settings --query 0/gpucoretemp
[10:38] <popey> that requires X ☺
[10:38] <popey> which is currently dead
[10:38] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod, prodity prod prod prod prod prod prod prod prod prod prod prod
[10:39] <davmor2> czajkowski: oh bigcalm says prod too
[10:39] <gord> popey, yeah but this is nvidia ;) they don't really do nice open source ways of doing things
[10:39] <bigcalm_lappy> I was wondering why that didn't highlight
[10:39] <popey> heh
[10:39] <bigcalm_lappy> Then I notice my nickname as I'm away from home
[10:39] <bigcalm_lappy> Hi peeps :)
[10:39] <popey> gord: which x220? i5?
[10:40] <gord> popey, i have an i3 x220, i think they go up to i5/i7 though
[10:40] <gord> only real recommendation is the IPS screen and as much ram as you can fit in it
[10:40] <bigcalm_lappy> How much are they?
[10:40] <bigcalm_lappy> Ballpark figure
[10:41] <gord> depends, anywhere from 600-1500 last i checked
[10:41] <bigcalm_lappy> Yikes
[10:41] <bigcalm_lappy> This i3 dell poop was just over 500 quid
[10:41] <oimon> they do a tablet version
[10:41] <bigcalm_lappy> Regret it every time I turn it on
[10:41]  * daubers got an i5 samsung for £400
[10:41] <popey> yeah, sladen has the tablet version
[10:41] <oimon> i like my dell lappy. served me well and still going god
[10:42] <oimon> /od/ood
[10:42] <bigcalm_lappy> This is a 1st gen i3
[10:42] <Daviey> popey: you /need/ X?
[10:42] <Daviey> popey: well do you have SSH?
[10:42] <popey> heh
[10:42] <popey> gord: IPS screen?
[10:42] <Dave2> Can you get IPS screens in laptops?
[10:42] <Daviey> ssh -X alan@pos-laptop :)
[10:43] <gord> popey, yeah, its really nice, basically has unlimited viewing angles
[10:43] <gord> was only a few quid more when i checked
[10:43]  * Dave2 spent ages tracking down a laptop that wasn't 1366x768, didn't even try to find one that wasn't TN
[10:43] <sladen> Dave2: yes, but not with the capacitive finger touch on the X220 tablet version
[10:43] <sladen> Dave2: there aren't any.  Give up;  all of the displays are not  1024x768 panels, cut a bit wider
[10:44] <sladen> s/not/now/
[10:44] <popey> gord: http://popey.com/~alan/Selection_001.png
[10:44] <gord> popey, "premium"
[10:45] <Dave2> sladen: I got a 1600x900 laptop, still not great, but I wasn't willing to buy 1366x768
[10:45] <popey> gord: 6 or 9 cell?
[10:46] <gord> popey, 9 cell will go 10 hours if ubuntu's not screwing up the power management like it always is ;) i got 9 cell
[10:48] <popey> heh
[10:49] <Daviey> gord: was it Ubuntu that broke power management?
[10:49] <bigcalm_lappy> Replace the spinning rust with an SSD and improve the battery life anyway?
[10:50] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/x220.png  <- not cheap
[10:50] <gord> Daviey, it was *fantastic* the week before platform sprint. amazing, wonderful - https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/112811220238447511854/albums/5693907288078855329/5693907286109635026 - but then kernel 3.2 dropped during platform sprint and i was back to 4-5 hours
[10:51] <popey> sladen / gord comments on the above spec?
[10:51] <oimon> what's that "web price" ?
[10:52] <oimon> marketing gimmick?
[10:52] <gord> popey, you might not need the i7, the i3 does just fine for me - chances are you can get the ram cheaper on amazon or ebuyer too. ssd is almost certainly worth it - i'm waiting for UDS and will pick up one there
[10:53] <czajkowski> oimon: no it's a price for buying via the web as some places dont stop them or you do get a better price for buying things online
[10:53] <czajkowski> mine is a i5
[10:53] <Daviey> gord: I wonder if that is Ubuntu's fault or mainline kernel regression? :)
[10:54] <gord> Daviey, well the confusing bit is that if i go back to the old kernel i don't get my power back.. very weird
[10:57] <andylockran> interesting
[10:58] <popey> gord: problem with buying RAM elsewhere is I'll end up with sticks of RAM 'spare' that I'll never use
[10:58] <andylockran> I''ve got a lovely ssd, love it
[10:58] <gord> popey, desk shrapnel
[10:58] <popey> haha
[10:58] <popey> hmm, maybe downgrade CPU, switch to SSD
[10:58] <Daviey> gord: wow
[10:59] <Daviey> that is nuts.
[11:02] <popey> http://www.ebuyer.com/192734-lenovo-256gb-thinkpad-sdd-1-8-sata-ii-read-230mb-s-write-43n3417
[11:02] <popey> lolwut
[11:02] <gord> yeah... ssds are expensive
[11:03] <gord> http://www.ebuyer.com/318420-samsung-128gb-830-series-ssd-2-5-sata-ii-laptop-upgrade-kit-mz-7pc128n-eu is what i am after
[11:03] <oimon> usually £1 per gb
[11:03] <popey> will that fit in your thinkpad?
[11:05] <gord> i have been told it does ;)
[11:05] <gord> i will need to do further investigation at some point
[11:06] <gord> there was a thread about it on warthogs some time ago
[11:07] <popey> lenovo website is sucking
[11:07] <popey> "You are now leaving Lenovo's website and being redirected to the website of Digital River, the seller and merchant of record."
[11:07] <popey> time passes
[11:10] <oimon> you were hit by a grue
[11:18] <Daviey> No Guru Mediation error?
[11:22] <bigcalm_lappy> Somebody kill davmor2 now
[11:23] <bigcalm_lappy> davmor2 is looking lovingly at gord
[11:23] <bigcalm_lappy> At least it looks like that to me
[11:26]  * smittix prods MooDoo 
[11:26] <smittix> Thanks for the ticket update MooDoo heh
[11:27] <davmor2> bigcalm_lappy: is suddenly unable to see his screen as his fingers break it as I slam his lid down on his fingers
[11:28] <czajkowski> tut tut such violence
[11:29] <MooDoo> czajkowski: you love it
[11:29]  * bigcalm_lappy sips his coffee quitely
[11:31] <popey> http://www.ebuyer.com/169923-tenda-wireless-n150-access-point-router-extender-w311r-
[11:31] <popey> interesting device
[11:31] <popey> 3 year warranty price is interesting
[11:35] <gord> £12 quid? hard to trust
[11:37] <oimon> pics look v cheap quality
[11:37] <_x_X_X_x_> hii
[11:38] <oimon> basically it's a wireless AP that supports bridging?
[11:40] <_x_X_X_x_> how i can change group and owner from root to www-data?
[11:43] <oimon> chown www-data:www-data <dir name>
[11:44] <oimon> use -R for recursive changes
[11:44] <bigcalm_lappy> If the group name is the same as the username, you can omit the group name
[11:44] <bigcalm_lappy> www-data:
[11:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> technically correct would be:
[11:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> sudo chown -R www-data: dir_tree_to_chown
[11:49] <oimon> hmm http://boingboing.net/2012/01/25/insane-english-copyright-rulin.html
[11:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> Man my broadband is sick today: "Firefox can't find the server at www.google.co.uk."
[11:49] <oimon> or is it your dns?
[11:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nah - loads of dropped packets on the adsl.
[11:50] <oimon> virgin?
[11:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> dns is google ;-)
[11:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nope [cough, cough] talktalkbusiness
[11:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> I used to be on Pipex years ago - they have been bought, then the acquiree was bought and so forth until now I'm on talktalk and they are not optimal IMHO - But where I live I can't get much better from anyone anyway so it's rather moot really.
[11:53] <popey> your area not cabled?
[11:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hah CABLE! My telephone lines are aluminium...
[11:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> We are on an exchange that BT don't think exists as far as supporting anything more that plain old adsl2
[11:54] <heeed> owdo
[11:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yet - I live in one of the most affluent parishes/boroughs in the country... Just there is too much space and not enough big houses I guess ;-)
[11:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: Will find this interesting http://www.information-age.com/channels/the-cloud-and-virtualization/news/1680113/hillingdon-council-puts-3500-staff-on-google-apps.thtml
[11:58] <popey> heeed: hey!
[11:58] <popey> Lunchtime!
[11:58] <heeed> still whinging about the cable?
[11:58] <heeed> +1 for lunchtime
[11:59] <gord> lunchtime?
[12:00] <gord> not yet
[12:02] <popey> not me heeed ☺
[12:02]  * popey loves his cable
[12:03] <bigcalm_lappy> popey: you can now find out when you'll be getting 60mb
[12:03] <popey> oh, how?
[12:03] <bigcalm_lappy> The checker tells be October
[12:03] <bigcalm_lappy> Go to my.vm
[12:03] <bigcalm_lappy> There it a link on there
[12:06] <oimon> joey @ omg does a great job around alpha/beta time of giving a round up of new features for those who are running alphas
[12:06] <oimon> nice to know what to gcheck with each apt-get
[12:06] <Oli> Skyrim for £20 on the PC/Wine http://www.greenmangaming.co.uk/games/rpgs/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-uk/
[12:07] <Oli> (It's not from Steam but They give you a Steam key)
[12:07] <Myrtti> Why can't Dell sell their laptops with Ubuntu in UK like they do in US? :-<
[12:07] <oimon> Myrtti: which model?
[12:08] <oimon> if you ask, they sometimes do.
[12:08] <popey> i see no link bigcalm_lappy
[12:08] <popey> bah
[12:09] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: heh, so *thats* what they did in the end
[12:10] <Myrtti> oimon: dell vostro v131
[12:12] <oimon> Myrtti: looks nice. always worth asking them
[12:12] <oimon> i've managed it on desktops
[12:12] <bigcalm_lappy> popey: log in and it'll hit you with a pop over
[12:12] <oimon> well, i manage to get no-OS rather that windows
[12:14] <oimon> vendors do seem to be cashing in on SSD ..prices seem high when purchased with a machine
[12:15] <bigcalm_lappy> I'm logged in, give me your postcode
[12:16] <smittix> Does anyone know how OMGUbuntu get away with using ubunu in their domain name?
[12:17] <AlanBell> smittix: they asked I think
[12:17] <smittix> AlanBell: Ahh ok. I asked too and got refused :/
[12:18] <bigcalm_lappy> Oh, just go to: http://doublespeed.virginmedia.com/
[12:18] <smittix> That was a few years ago though
[12:19]  * AlanBell has haggis & eggs for lunch
[12:19] <popey> oooo!
[12:20] <popey> I have haggis, you just reminded me
[12:20] <popey> yay!
[12:21] <AlanBell> haggis & eggs is a great combination
[12:21] <AlanBell> probably even works with shop eggs ;)
[12:21] <bigcalm_lappy> I want haggis
[12:21] <popey> yeah, I can imagine that
[12:21] <bigcalm_lappy> But doubt I'll get it in this cafe
[12:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmmm - Lunch... Curry, Curry or... Ah I Know. CURRY!
[12:22] <oimon> smittix: a few yrs ago, it was OK for .co.uk
[12:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Or maybe Oxtail Soup.
[12:39] <popey> smittix: there is no 'getting away with' using ubuntu in the domain name, anyone can
[12:39] <popey> there is a trademark policy
[12:39] <popey> which is pretty permissive
[12:50] <JGJones> smittix - the actual truth is that they've got certain photos that shouldn't be exposed ;-)
[12:52] <Neoti_Laptop> hi im having problems with rendering in kdenlive
[12:52] <Neoti_Laptop> when i record a screen cast with gtk-recordmydesktop and view the ogv file everything looks fine, when i put it in to kdenlive i get little gray blocks and the text is all distorted on when i view it with clip monitor. any ideas ?
[12:52] <Neoti_Laptop>  i have created a profile to match my monitor size and fps etc...
[12:52] <Neoti_Laptop> any help ?
[12:52] <popey> I have never had much success editing ogv files in any editor really
[12:53] <popey> one reason I switched from recordmydesktop to kazam
[12:53] <popey> KAZAM!
[12:53] <popey> should have an exclamation in the name
[12:54] <Neoti_Laptop> how do i get that ? is it windows ?
[12:54] <popey> no, linux
[12:54] <popey> !kazam
[12:54] <popey> bah
[12:54] <AlanBell> like Joomla!
[12:54] <popey> and Yahoo!
[12:54] <smittix> popey: I got told by someone from Canonical that I couldn't use the name Ubuntu in my domain name.
[12:54] <popey> https://launchpad.net/kazam
[12:54] <popey> smittix: depends what you're doing on the domain
[12:55] <popey> given how many people who work for canonical read omg, I don't think they have a problem
[12:55] <AlanBell> http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy
[12:55] <smittix> This was a few years back with the same time of site that OMG has become.
[12:56] <smittix> It was called UbuntuHOW
[12:56] <popey> i remember that
[12:56] <gord> hey me too
[12:56] <gord> we should get the How2 guys to do something on ubuntu
[12:57] <AlanBell> smittix: I suspect OMG started out then said "we have 30,000 readers, can we use the trademark?"
[12:57] <smittix> True, although I had a fair number of readers too.
[12:57] <smittix> I downed the site anyway and tried something else.
[12:59] <popey> can someone else try and buy a laptop from shop.lenovo.com, just go as far as adding it to the basket and try to pay
[12:59] <popey> you wont get to the enter credit card stuff i suspect
[12:59] <popey> checkout.lenovo.com is dead
[12:59] <AlanBell> smittix: a read of the trademark policy does make your questions entirely understandable, they are squarely in the "very unlikely" definition
[12:59] <smittix> Permission from us is necessary to use any of the Trademarks under any circumstances other than those specifically permitted above. These include: Use in a domain name or URL.
[12:59] <smittix> Yeah
[12:59] <smittix> Nevermind. I hope my new domain name gets a decent response. heh
[13:00] <popey> ubuntuwhy.com? ☺
[13:00] <gord> popey, don't be tempted by third party sites though, they add £500 to the price
[13:00] <smittix> heh nixaddict.com
[13:01] <AlanBell> smittix: I raised the question with trademarks ages and ages ago, if Canonical wanted to force OMG to rebrand they would have done it by now
[13:01] <smittix> AlanBell: Ok
[13:01] <popey> given sabdfl likes the site, thats not going to happen really is it?
[13:03] <bigcalm_lappy> Tabs are not a good thing to have
[13:03] <popey> gord: do you have the one with the camera?
[13:05] <gord> popey, yup, not a bad camera
[13:05] <popey> the 720p one?
[13:07] <gord> doesn't seem to be, but cheese is hanging
[13:07] <popey> nice
[13:07] <gord> oh wait yes it is
[13:08] <oimon> You are now leaving Lenovo's website and being redirected to the website of Digital River, the seller and merchant of recor
[13:08] <Neoti_Laptop> ok how do i use kazam... just recorded a test but can not find the file ...
[13:08] <Neoti_Laptop> :P
[13:09] <gord> popey, http://ubuntuone.com/0mRbkT6uMdwLPeoG7jsABu - quality involved
[13:09] <popey> haha
[13:09] <oimon> popey: is there a phone number in the site?
[13:09] <oimon> fails for me too
[13:10] <popey> dunno oimon but I expect nothing will be fixed until america properly wakes up
[13:10] <oimon> joy
[13:15] <gord> davmor2, just plays games all day, easiest job in the world
[13:16] <Neoti_Laptop> popey where does kazam store its recordings theres no prompts nothing to say when its placed the file ?
[13:16] <popey> Neoti_Laptop: it prompts you when you finish recording
[13:16] <popey> edit or save
[13:16] <popey> choose save, then it pops up a usual dialog
[13:17] <Neoti_Laptop> ok i dont have either option on my screen and just recorded 2 videos...
[13:17] <popey> odd
[13:17] <popey> maybe ask in #kazam
[13:18] <davmor2> gord: I have to read books too
[13:19] <Neoti_Laptop> i have latest ubuntu with unity etc... i have no options i just recorded another 10 sec video thinking i must have missed it or been thick but nope nothing i have pause, finissh , record set up ... nothing else ..
[13:19] <popey> its under active development
[13:19] <popey> you may have found a bug
[13:21] <Neoti_Laptop> lol.... everything i touch at the moment seems to have a bug ... :P .... doh!
[13:21] <popey> ☺
[13:22] <Neoti_Laptop> i want to record my screen and edit it with kdenlive ... the pgv file in mplayer looks fine kkdenlive it fooking it up .... all i want to do is add some titles thats it ... agh!!!
[13:22] <Neoti_Laptop> *ogv
[13:23] <Neoti_Laptop> the videos i have watchedc on vimeo and youtube show it working fine... but for me it dont fooking work .... and i followed them to the letter....
[13:24] <Neoti_Laptop> im of to get some food as im now getting grouchy and fooked off with this ... lol ... sorry guys .. just want it to work ...
[13:29] <mgdm> Anyone here using Cinnamon as their desktop?
[13:30] <Daviey> mgdm: No, but i did have cinnamon on my ice cream the other day.
[13:30] <ubuntubhoy> I had it in a shot, Fireball. Lovely
[13:30] <ubuntubhoy> Cinnamon & whisky shot, real nice
[13:31]  * popey is reminded of all those videos of people eating a teaspoon of cinnamon
[13:32] <daubers> back in the day we went to war so they could have a teaspoon of cinnamon
[13:32] <daubers> Or was it nutmeg..... might have been both
[13:32] <oimon_> wasn't that dune?
[13:32]  * czajkowski is reminded of the song, just a spoon full of sugar....
[13:33] <daubers> We went to war with the dutch over nutmeg, so maybe I was thinking of that
[13:36]  * Guest72520 test
[13:36] <Guest72520> argh
[13:36] <Guest72520> i thought i'd try irssi instead of pidgin - how can i get nickserv to use my nick?
[13:37] <Guest72520> though it was / msg nickserv identify user pass
[13:37] <mgdm> try /nick yournick
[13:37] <daubers> yup, but you need to change your nick first
[13:37] <Guest72520> it's ignoring me
[13:38] <daubers> still signed in somewhere else?
[13:38] <Guest72520> no
[13:38] <Guest72520> get no response from nickserv
[13:39] <Guest72520> i'll try more brutal tactics..
[13:47] <DJones> A bit worrying when Symantec go public and say stop using our software http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16740153?
[13:53] <davmor2> hmmmmmmm currryyyyyyyyyyy
[13:56] <ubuntubhoy> Edwina ?
[14:02] <oimon_> man ,irc is a dark art
[14:02] <davmor2> No real curry fro dinner
[14:02] <davmor2> for even
[14:02] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod afternoon
[14:02] <czajkowski> davmor2: oi oi
[14:04] <MooDoo> czajkowski: davmor2 PROD POKE PROD to you both
[14:04] <czajkowski> MooDoo: ello
[14:05]  * davmor2 tickles czajkowski 
[14:05] <czajkowski> I haz no tickles :/
[14:06]  * bigcalm_lappy hugs czajkowski
[14:06]  * czajkowski locks bigcalm_lappy davmor2 and MooDoo in a room together 
[14:07] <bigcalm_lappy> :o
[14:07] <bigcalm_lappy> What did I do wrong to deserve that?
[14:07]  * MooDoo smashes out of the room with davmor2 as a battering ram and give czajkowski a big kiss on the cheek :) xx
[14:07] <davmor2> czajkowski: but then the three of us can plot against you together you sure that's a good move :P
[14:07] <bigcalm_lappy> This place has become colder now that mrevil has left
[14:08] <czajkowski> lack of body heat
[14:08] <czajkowski> cuddle davmor2
[14:09] <davmor2> oi get off you weirdo
[14:09] <bigcalm_lappy> I think gord might complain
[14:33] <bigcalm_lappy> czajkowski: davmor2 is picking on me!
[14:35] <czajkowski> have you been paying attention all this time, pick on him!
[14:37] <davmor2> czajkowski: speak English woman I know you're Irish and all that, and I know my English sucks but hey.......
[14:38]  * czajkowski peers at davmor2 
[14:40]  * AlanBell wonders about beer in Farnham soonish
[14:40] <bigcalm_lappy> 3pm?
[14:40] <AlanBell> well, maybe not that soon
[14:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> make it 4 and you're on
[14:40] <oimon_> raspberry pi featured on radio 4
[14:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes, I heard that too oimon_
[14:41] <davmor2> MOOOOOOOOO!
[14:41] <MooDoo> davmor2: behave woman :)
[14:41] <davmor2> bigcalm_lappy: is just praising you all apart from czajkowski
[14:42] <AlanBell> beer in London thursday/friday next week might work too
[14:42] <czajkowski> nest thursday
[14:42] <czajkowski> is good before fosdem train on friday ;)
[14:43] <AlanBell> yes, next thursday is good, TheOpenSourcerer and I have a vTiger day then
[14:43] <oimon_> hope we'll see some good python and C courses coming out of RPi
[14:45] <czajkowski> AlanBell: the cask ?
[14:45] <daubers> tempted to get a few rpi's and try and run some basic programming courses at the hacksapce
[14:46] <daubers> directhex: Minecraft 1.2 will have new LWJGL
[14:47] <AlanBell> czajkowski: cask is OK, I think we are in goodge street
[14:47] <AlanBell> anywhere central is good
[14:47] <czajkowski> AlanBell: the surrey lot may know of somethign closer I only know that one and the fact you can book tables
[14:48] <Barry> t
[14:49] <directhex> daubers, they said that for beta 1.3 or so
[14:49] <directhex> daubers, i still have a bug open
[14:51] <oimon_> is software-center crashiness in 12.04 alpha a known issue?
[14:52] <popey> AlanBell: next thursday i can probably make too
[14:52] <directhex> Daniel Kaplan (Official Rep) 10 months ago
[14:52] <directhex> This will be fixed in 1.5. We have updated lwjgl Sorry for the trouble.
[14:53] <DJones> directhex: From the latest release notes, "As you know, Minecraft is run using the Light-weight Java Game Library (LWJGL). We’ve been using a really old version of LWJGL because last time we tried to update it the game broke down and became unplayable for a lot of people. We are going to try to update it again once we release Minecraft 1.2."
[14:54] <directhex> DJones, "once we release 1.2" means "after 1.2 is out"
[14:58] <daubers> directhex: :)
[14:59] <DJones> directhex: cynic :)
[15:05] <bigcalm_lappy> Coppers in here, oh mu
[15:05] <bigcalm_lappy> my
[15:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wow - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/26/windows_azure_money_maker_not/ MS making $60m on Azure... Bet they spent more on those "Cloud Power" ads on London Underground...
[15:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> Sorry, not making, but revenue figure
[15:06] <bigcalm_lappy> Well, copper, singular
[15:16] <smittix> hmm Dia is pretty good.
[15:17] <smittix> I now have a digital diagram of our racks heh
[15:26]  * oimon holds down the super key in precise, gets a nice surprise
[15:26] <AlanBell> the overlay shortcut guide :)
[15:29] <oimon> i was talking to someone on the train who said he had to stop using unity because the shortcuts overrode his normal ones :-\
[15:33] <directhex> i killed the super key thing in unity
[15:33] <directhex> it broke gnome do
[15:37] <oimon> yeah i think my friend only ever used terminal & an IDe
[15:37] <ali1234> who is good for registering domains?
[15:37] <ali1234> i want a .tv
[15:39] <oimon> symantec advises disabling PC anywhere after it's code was 'open sourced' ..good confidence in a product there
[15:40] <zleap> hello
[15:40] <popey> oimon: old code
[15:41] <zleap> oimon, was thjs relaed to anonomous saying they had got hold of the source code and were going to publically release it
[15:42] <oimon> zleap, it wasn't anonymous but someone who found old code on some indian military(?) servers
[15:42] <zleap> ah
[15:42] <zleap> pc anywere thats the remote access stuff right
[15:42] <gord> ali1234, gandi.net are pretty great, not sure if they do .tv though
[15:43] <ali1234> they do
[15:43] <ali1234> and they are the cheapest i've seen yet
[15:44] <gord> good service with them
[15:45] <DJones> oimon: The latest advice from Symantec says that the stolen material had included blueprints for Norton Antivirus Corporate Edition, Norton Internet Security, Norton SystemWorks (Norton Utilities and Norton GoBack) and pcAnywhere.
[15:45] <AlanBell> "blueprints"
[15:45] <AlanBell> media dumbed down term for source code
[15:45] <zleap> I will probably send for a pack of 100 12.04 cd's when available
[15:46] <zleap> to me software blue print would be a piece of paper where someone has say sketched out what the UI would look like,
[15:46] <AlanBell> zleap: I can give you a heap of CDs
[15:47] <zleap> ok cool
[15:47] <AlanBell> where are you based?
[15:47] <zleap> well if I get this computer group set up, i will look in to that
[15:47] <zleap> Paignton
[15:48] <AlanBell> ok, if you can figure out how to get them from Farnham or London you can have them
[15:48] <zleap> ok, what would the postage be ?
[15:50] <zleap> given to buy 100 it costs >81 quid  i can't see it costing anywhere near that to send via mail , I can send you a cheque or something for postage
[15:52] <jonathonf> oh i don't know, according to peter cannon's g+ it can cost £32 to post some stickers
[15:53] <zleap> hmm
[15:53] <zleap> well the cost includes postage for 100 cds
[15:53] <ali1234> gord: got a referal code you want me to use or anything?
[15:54] <gord> ali1234, nah
[15:54] <zleap> maybe I can stick all the ones I have here in an envelope,  (count em) then ask at the post office how much it may cost to send them
[15:54] <zleap> that would give me a rough idea
[15:56] <jonathonf> standard parcels, no tracking, 5kg, £13.61
[15:57] <jonathonf> http://www.royalmail.com/price-finder
[15:57] <jonathonf> 10kg is £17.53
[15:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> Parcelforce 48hr should be around £10 for UK mainland.
[15:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> With an account it is about £8 IIRC.
[16:04] <ali1234> any idea why openshot says libx264 is missing, when i have it?
[16:04] <ali1234> oh, nvm it tells you how to fix it
[16:04] <popey> heh
[16:04] <zleap> hi popey
[16:04] <jonathonf> holy moly: http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/618486main_earth_full.jpg
[16:05] <zleap> wow
[16:05] <MooDoo> yeah it's the earth, big deal ;)
[16:06] <zleap> quite good detail
[16:06] <ali1234> http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/BlueMarble/
[16:06] <ali1234> 500 metres/pixel
[16:07] <popey> tis a lovely pic
[16:07] <popey> shame it's USA ☺
[16:07] <ali1234> http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/BlueMarble/BlueMarble_monthlies.php
[16:07] <zleap> i am sure they have taken others
[16:07] <popey> wow, clicking that jpg, x just exploded
[16:07] <popey> had to login again
[16:08] <ali1234> the 8000x8000 one?
[16:08] <popey> yeah, dunno if that triggered it
[16:08] <popey> but it was just after
[16:09] <shauno> heh, bluemarble at 500m/px is telling me it has 31 minutes left on 1.3GB.  yeouch
[16:09] <ali1234> they have torrents
[16:10] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/817811/
[16:10] <shauno> I think torrents would be slower on work's network.  they like to block anything they can spell
[16:10] <zleap> you can see outflow from the mississipi river i think,
[16:12] <shauno> the US looks pretty baren from space
[16:12] <zleap> yeah, it looks better at nigfht you can see where cities are
[16:12] <shauno> it was more the lack of green that gets me
[16:12] <popey> someone made a ruby script which grabs the daily satellite pic of the uk iirc
[16:13] <zleap> cool
[16:13] <AlanBell> oh heck
[16:13] <zleap> ok what makes ruby and ruby on rails different from say python or c
[16:13] <popey> different language
[16:13] <gord> would be nice to get some thing like that to make a daily desktop wallpaper
[16:13] <gord> that might be fun to code
[16:13] <popey> yeah, thats what it did
[16:13] <jonathonf> ruby is similar to python, they're both interpreted
[16:13] <zleap> yeah but wha would i use ruby for
[16:13] <jonathonf> c is a lower-level language
[16:13] <zleap> right
[16:14] <AlanBell> if you accidentally do something very silly with rm, in what order does it delete things?
[16:14] <zleap> not sure
[16:14] <ali1234> whatever order they are on disk
[16:14] <daubers> AlanBell: Normally the order of "ARGHH!!! OH MY GOD ARGHHHHHH!"
[16:14] <popey> inode order?
[16:14] <ali1234> yeah
[16:14] <zleap> so rm -r /  means that root goes first
[16:14] <popey> no
[16:15] <popey> you can't delete root
[16:15] <heeed> ubuntu in the news again http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16731071
[16:15] <jonathonf> iirc ext doesn't delete the data, just unlinks the inode, so you should be able to recover it (somehow)
[16:15] <AlanBell> I caught it fairly quick, just don't know what it did
[16:16] <shauno> I think it uses the same order you'll see with ls -U
[16:16] <zleap> AlanBell, if I pay postage are you happy to send the cd's please ?
[16:16] <AlanBell> zleap: sure
[16:16] <popey> http://extundelete.sourceforge.net/
[16:16] <zleap> I will try and figure out how much it costs to send 20 - 25 cd's i have that many  older ones here
[16:16] <shauno> I'm assuming he's a good geek and has backups, just isn't sure what he's retreiving from them ;)
[16:17] <zleap> AlanBell, thanks
[16:18]  * popey hugs his backups
[16:18] <zleap> Ok will ask at post office sometime over the next few days
[16:19] <ali1234> so does this HUD thing have a way to list all possible commands?
[16:20] <zleap> its nice in that article that xerox parc have been given proper credit for the development of the GUI many people believe it was MS or Apple I think
[16:20] <gord> ali1234, nope
[16:20] <ali1234> also how does it work with programs like blender?
[16:20] <gord> it doesn't
[16:20] <ali1234> well that's a bit rubbish then
[16:20] <gord> well it uses appmenu, so anything that doesn't support appmenu, hud can't do
[16:21] <ali1234> so basically it doesn't work with anything that isn't gtk or qt and doesn't work with anything xhosted?
[16:21] <zleap> so that sounds like a good reason for people to build in that support and hopefully they will do so
[16:22] <gord> i actually want to spend some time adding appmenu support to blender :) can see it being very useful there
[16:22] <ali1234> not really
[16:22] <ali1234> you hardly ever use the menus in blender
[16:22] <ali1234> it is designed to be used with 1 hand on keyboard and one hand on mouse at all times
[16:22] <ali1234> that's why all keyboard shortcuts are like "a" and not "ctrl-shift-a"
[16:23] <AlanBell> would the hud help with blender if it did work then?
[16:23] <ali1234> no, because it requires you to take your hand off the mouse
[16:23] <gord> it would help me in blender
[16:23] <ali1234> it would just slow down an experienced blender user
[16:23] <ali1234> well, unless they learn to type really fast with their left hand
[16:23] <gord> experienced users will always use the key combos
[16:23] <gord> for anything
[16:24] <ali1234> even beginners use the shortcuts in blender because there's no alternative
[16:24] <gord> i use the menus
[16:24] <ali1234> :/
[16:24] <gord> because i don't know all the key combinations
[16:24] <gord> nor do i use it enough to learn them
[16:24] <ali1234> that must be sloooooooow
[16:24] <ali1234> you must know a b g
[16:24] <gord> i know a few
[16:24] <ali1234> x y z
[16:24] <gord> i know the common things, its the uncommon ones i don't
[16:25] <ali1234> and the numpad
[16:25] <gord> which is what hud would be good for
[16:25] <oimon> HUD and ubuntu tv both seem to have had a warm reception (few noisy naysayers)..
[16:26] <ali1234> that's because all the naysayers already left
[16:26] <oimon> even on g+ etc. even naysayers have to put their hands up and say, well at least it's an interesting concept
[16:26] <daubers> \o/
[16:26] <ali1234> personally i think it's awful
[16:26] <oimon> "few" naysayers
[16:26] <ali1234> but presumably it will be as easy to kill as global menus
[16:27] <AlanBell> yeah, don't tap alt
[16:27] <ali1234> unlike the window management, which is kind of fundamental
[16:27] <gord> you think everything is awful though ali1234 ;)
[16:27] <oimon> buttons on the left still don't work for me
[16:27] <ali1234> yeah
[16:27] <AlanBell> I am happy with menus going back into windows, global menu doesn't work for me
[16:27] <ali1234> global menu is going?
[16:28] <AlanBell> gord: did you see the bug suggestion about putting the HUD on the application
[16:28]  * oimon wonders if popey got his lenovo in the end
[16:28] <popey> when i installed hud, i realised how little I ever use menus
[16:28] <gord> AlanBell, i did
[16:28] <popey> nope oimon
[16:28] <AlanBell> ali1234: yeah, it will be optional
[16:28] <ali1234> about time :)
[16:28] <oimon> thinkpad on the ISS is a great PR :)
[16:29] <popey> sabdfl took a thinkpad to ISS
[16:29] <AlanBell> gord: that would really make sense for me, if the hud was window attached, top left of my left monitor is quite a long way from where I do most work really
[16:29] <popey> sadly running windows
[16:29] <ali1234> does anyone else get anoyed when you try to click "back" in firefox or something, and the launcher slides out and covers it, and you accidentally click on something else?
[16:29] <popey> nope
[16:29] <AlanBell> popey: and he did some blender renders on it
[16:29] <popey> because I have the launcher always out
[16:29] <gord> AlanBell, might change it so its per monitor. but not per app anytime soon
[16:30] <oimon> http://ubuntuone.com/4dajA311koyxyyYWuqMWEd breakfast anyone?
[16:30] <ali1234> awsome
[16:30] <ali1234> where is that?
[16:30] <oimon> his is a genuine breakfast from a cafe in Great Yarmouth that my mate told me about. Its called the "Kids breakfast" because it weighs the same as a small child @ 10 pounds!! It costs 15 quid and If you eat it within 60 minutes you get it for free.....noone has ever finished
[16:31] <ahayzen> oimon: Now thats what i call breakfast :)
[16:31] <jonathonf> tsk... that's so unhealthy. non-diet coke.
[16:31] <ali1234> i could eat that. not in 60 minutes though
[16:31] <ali1234> the bread is the killer
[16:31] <popey> I'd struggle with the toast
[16:31] <oimon> i'd need real life gaviscon men and a gaviscon hose pipe
[16:31] <popey> jeez, its toast, fried and raw bread!
[16:32] <AlanBell> that looks fabulous
[16:32] <oimon> apparently the cafe is called jesters
[16:32] <jpds> jonathonf: And diet coke is healthy?
[16:33] <oimon> what are the black things
[16:33] <ali1234> black pudding
[16:33] <jonathonf> well... no... but i couldn't come up with a better "joke" :(
[16:33] <zleap> that looks awsome
[16:33] <zleap> and yummy
[16:33] <zleap> mind you,  it would be good with a few friends to share
[16:33] <oimon> i coudn't eat anything that's touched a baked bean
[16:33] <oimon> one of my little "things"
[16:34] <popey> hahaha
[16:34]  * popey rubs baked beans all over the channel
[16:34] <zleap> oimon, same here
[16:34] <zleap> i like tinned spaghetti though
[16:34] <popey> i never used to eat baked beans then when i was 17 I went to a friends house and his mum made baked bean toasties
[16:34] <oimon> if i find a baked bean in the kitchen sink, it's game over
[16:34] <popey> i ate one and discovered they were lovely
[16:35] <oimon> my 2yr old son eats curried baked beans, at least they smell ok
[16:35] <oimon> i can eat alphabetti spaghetti,
[16:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's a bit light on bacon if you ask me.
[16:35] <shauno> I can't imagine what game ends with beans in the sink
[16:35] <zleap> yeah or spaghetti rings
[16:35] <oimon> shauno, the washing up game
[16:35] <oimon> i always lose
[16:35] <daubers> curried bakes beans are _awesome_
[16:35] <directhex> competitive eating protip: soak your bread
[16:36] <directhex> dip it in any liquid you have
[16:36] <shauno> oimon: get a dishwasher.  they're like robots, without the revolts
[16:36] <directhex> shauno, your dishwasher hasn't revolted yet?
[16:36] <oimon> i have one, but still pots, pans and baby stuff need sink attention
[16:36] <zleap> its odd that both come in tomato sauce, so it must be the taste of the beans in the sauce,
[16:36] <oimon> the texture of a bean is the worst thing ever
[16:37] <popey> you are odd
[16:37] <oimon> only by society's majority verdict
[16:37] <oimon> my least favourite liquid drink in the world is tea
[16:37] <shauno> directhex: revolting, but not revolted
[16:37] <popey> my daughter loved the cauliflower pizza I made yesterday
[16:38] <oimon> i want bacon and sossy sandwich now
[16:38] <zleap> i don't like tea either
[16:38] <daubers> oimon: Are you really a closet american?
[16:38] <zleap> hey me and oimon seem to have quite a bit in common
[16:38] <directhex> zleap, poor you :(
[16:39] <zleap> lol
[16:39] <zleap> well i we all have one thing in common - ubuntu
[16:40] <shauno> feeling I should keep quiet on that one
[16:40] <zleap> well Linux then
[16:40] <popey> gord: comment on the youtube video about hud...
[16:40] <popey> "What about﻿ dyslexic people?"
[16:41] <ali1234> why does openshot only export 9 seconds of video from a 10 second project?
[16:41] <gord> popey, supports them better than most search algorithms
[16:41] <zleap> time paradox
[16:41] <shauno> taxes
[16:42] <zleap> it seems the school version of the raspberry pi will have a case, hopefully a trans parent one, so people can see in side,
[16:43] <zleap> i would probably need one of those simply to demo it in the after school club
[16:44] <shauno> I'm astounded how much the innocent inclusion of a space in trans parent completely changed my mental picture
[16:44] <zleap> sorry
[16:44] <zleap> i see your point
[16:44] <zleap> transparent
[16:47] <zleap> hmm my shelf currently has a row of books, 1x latex book, 1x playwork book, 1x first aid manual, 1x html book, 1x football (nfl) for dummies book and a dummies book on autism
[16:47] <zleap> a real mix there eh
[16:47] <shauno> oh I wasn't trying to be picky about it.  just never saw that word in that light before :)
[16:48] <zleap> shauno, no problem,   until you pointed it out i hadn't noticed how the meaning was changed
[16:48] <shauno> how quickly my head went from rasberry pi, to tim curry
[16:48] <popey> http://www.jestersdiner.com/gallery
[16:48] <zleap> nice
[16:50] <zleap> is that were you get that huge breakfast from
[16:57] <andylockran> Howdy all
[16:57] <Linuxsapien> meh
[16:58] <Linuxsapien>  no one listens in here now :(
[16:58] <andylockran> Is it best to store files in MySQL, or references to files and store them in a web-accessible dir?
[16:58] <ujjain> The discussions were all but done. - Discussions were close to ´done´ or not at all close?
[16:58] <ujjain> sorry about the English question :P It ś a hard language.
[16:58] <ali1234> andylockran: depends on the file size
[16:58] <ali1234> ujjain: close to done
[16:58] <ujjain> You should not save files in MySQL.
[16:58] <ali1234> i disagree
[16:59] <ujjain> ¨I am all but happy about this¨  = unhappy. It seems, hmm.
[16:59] <ali1234> nobody would ever say that
[16:59] <directhex> BLOB is the devil. don't store files in mysql
[16:59] <ujjain> I have a very big image gallery, I have the meta database in database.
[16:59] <ujjain> and the files hosted on the server.
[16:59] <ujjain> Yes, directhex++.
[16:59] <ujjain> especially if you have 5000 visitors daily, it´s painful.
[17:01] <ujjain> to get every 1mb file from the MySQL, data integrity scary, meta data in SQL, + files on server, was an obvious best choice for me.
[17:03] <ujjain> ¨I am all but happy about this¨ < does this make sense. does it mean you are unhappy?
[17:03] <DJones> Probably black pudding or burnt mushrooms
[17:03] <DJones> Ugh
[17:03] <ali1234> ujjain: it doesn't make sense
[17:04] <ali1234> nobody would say that
[17:04] <shauno> I can see the logic, but you'd never hear it used
[17:04] <ujjain> ali1234: I see, it sounds very natural to me, but the exact same construction makes the exact opposite here.
[17:04] <ujjain> I am all but happy would be a way of saying ¨I am totally unhappy about this¨.
[17:05] <ujjain> ¨The talks are all but constructive¨ would be a good way to say  the talks are in/un/constructive (inconstructive)
[17:06] <shauno> for an odd definition of 'good'.  if you're at all unsure about how the other party will understand the phrase, it's better to be unambiguous
[17:06] <ujjain> ¨the talks are all but constructive¨ < does this make any sense?
[17:06] <andylockran> ali1234: yeah, I should probably just store directory paths
[17:06] <AlanBell> it is a colloquialism, not many people in not many parts of the country would say that ujjain
[17:07] <AlanBell> in fact all but a few would say it ;)
[17:07] <ali1234> ujjain: no, you can only use that idiom in relation to completeness of a task
[17:07] <ujjain> AlanBell: ah ok :) I´ll interpret ´all but´, as close... but not totally.
[17:07] <ujjain> ali1234: thanks a lot! :)
[17:07] <ali1234> argh openshot is so buggy
[17:08] <ali1234> every time i try a new program i find several bugs. does anyone else actually use this stuff?
[17:09] <shauno> no.  they just write tutorials on how easy it is to install ubuntu, and then go back to using their macs for useful work
[17:09] <shauno> (really should have added a smiley to that one)
[17:11] <shauno> just always found it odd that instalation tutorials have always vastly outnumbered any other task-based tutorial.  "what's next" is severly under-represented
[17:11] <ali1234> true dat
[17:12] <ali1234> if installing is so easy, why are you telling us how to do it for the 10 millionth time?
[17:17] <ali1234> bug 922196, bug 922203, bug 922207
[17:38] <czajkowski> AlanBell: did we settle on the cask for next thursday ?
[17:40] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: sound good to you? ^
[17:40] <AlanBell> it is in pimlico
[17:40] <AlanBell> not quite sure why we are going to pimlico for expensive beer, but I am fine with the cask
[17:41] <brobostigon> afternononings eevryone.
[17:42] <czajkowski> AlanBell: we can book a table and thursday being busy plus nice beer :)
[17:43] <AlanBell> and I suppose if popey is coming from the tower of power it is convenient for that
[17:43] <czajkowski> and ade
[17:43] <czajkowski> but not from the tower
[17:44] <popey> to the tower!
[17:45] <Azelphur> jacobw popey AlanBell dunno if you saw me saying at like 3am last night, added a bunch of stuff including XMPP support, https://github.com/Azelphur/TwistedCat :D
[17:45] <Azelphur> netcat to your android phone \o/
[17:46] <popey> heh
[17:46] <awilkins> #svn
[17:46]  * czajkowski imagines ade walking from the tower covered in flames from passing through the door 
[17:48] <AlanBell> ade has bounced on my trampoline I think
[17:48] <popey> he has
[17:48] <AlanBell> um, that isn't a very strange euphamism
[17:50] <czajkowski> ROFLOL
[17:52]  * AlanBell grumbles at hud
[17:52] <gord> from reddit.com/r/flossworldproblems "Canonical prototyping a search bar got more press than FreeBSD 9 (freebsd.org)" ¬_¬
[17:52] <AlanBell> it broke my global menu, but if hud searched properly I wouldn't need the global menu because I would be using the hud
[17:52] <gord> made me giggle
[17:53] <AlanBell> bug 921068 needs fixing, then I don't need menus any more
[17:53] <gordonjcp> heh
[17:53] <gordonjcp> I couldn't get any sense out of HUD at all
[17:54] <gordonjcp> start to type in "File", get to "Fil" and it would be showing "View->Filters"
[17:56] <gordonjcp> okay, maybe it wants "open" then "o-p-e" "View->Highlighting Mode->OpenCL"
[18:00] <popey> gordonjcp: why would you want 'file' ?
[18:01] <gordonjcp> popey: to, uh, open a file
[18:01] <popey> right
[18:01] <popey> but the menu option to open a file is 'open' as you then tried
[18:02] <gordonjcp> popey: I certainly didn't want View->Filters and don't remember gedit even having that as an option
[18:02] <zleap> yeah i want to be able to seachj for files but then know which folder it is in,  so perhaps a feature you get with firefox downloads open containing folder would be good
[18:02] <gordonjcp> popey: right, which matched "OpenCL"
[18:02] <popey> which is duff
[18:02] <popey> ope finds open for me
[18:02] <dogmatic69> is there a way I can make /dev/ttyS0 point to /dev/ttyUSB0
[18:02] <popey> (in gedit)
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: ln -s ?
[18:03] <zleap> popey, would a symlink do that (asking about dogmatic69s question)
[18:03] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: ttyS0 exists, can I just delete it?
[18:03] <zleap> ok to answer that question - yes :)
[18:04] <popey> gord: is there a bug already filed that menus disappear?
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: yes, or move it aside
[18:04] <gordonjcp> popey: I couldn't really spend a lot of time on it, the graphics corruption was too bad
[18:04] <popey> ahhh
[18:04] <popey> bummer
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: won't stick beyond reboot anyway
[18:04] <gordonjcp> popey: 12.04 just isn't happy on my machine
[18:05] <zleap> MartijnVdS, what would happen if you put it in the bash-rc fle
[18:05] <zleap> file
[18:05] <dogmatic69> cool, thanks
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> zleap: don't put device stuff in a bashrc
[18:05] <zleap> ok
[18:05] <zleap> just asking
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> Best way to make it stick would be using udev rules
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> But it's usually a better option to "educate" the program that's trying to use the wrong device
[18:17]  * AlanBell sees an update for the hud :)
[18:19]  * brobostigon puts a berrel of hooky on the community table for eeveyone to heko themselves to, he is feeling generous.
[18:19] <brobostigon> help*
[18:38] <AlanBell> aaah the hud mixes up stuff from the indicators with stuff from the app you are in because it is all one menu
[18:39] <popey> yeah, so you can press alt then type shutdown I guess
[18:40] <AlanBell> yeah, I couldn't work out why it was always showing me thunderbirds new message in random apps like gedit
[18:40] <AlanBell> but it is because it is showing options from the messages indicator
[18:41] <AlanBell> I think the searching is better now, but it is still better at fuzzy matching than exact matching
[19:27] <bigcalm> I have returned!
[19:31] <bigcalm> Don't all get up at once
[20:11] <ali1234> who is this lord richard allan guy?
[20:12] <ali1234> facebook can't possibly realise that a large proportion of their "users" are in fact bots accounts created specifically to carry out malicious acts
[20:13] <ali1234> so is he lying to a judge or what?
[20:29] <jacobw> zzz
[20:29] <jacobw> nested tmux sessions are annoying
[20:45] <popey> ali1234: no idea what you're on about ☺
[20:45] <AlanBell> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16742870
[20:45] <ali1234> yeah, that
[20:46] <AlanBell> I was just reading it
[20:46] <AlanBell> in an "oh, so *thats* what ali1234 was on about" kind of way
[20:46] <ali1234> i've heard that facebook bot owners typically have thousands of bot accounts
[20:47] <ali1234> it only takes a photo of a sexy girl and you can get 300 friends easily
[20:48] <ali1234> so much for neighbourhood watch
[20:49] <bigcalm> Time for a Facebook cull! Wonder if I'll cull myself this time
[20:53] <smittix> Evening all
[20:54] <jacobw> evening smittix
[20:54] <smittix> Website woes tonight. Thought I'd give myself a break
[20:55] <jacobw> what's up?
[20:56] <smittix> Just setup my VPS to serve a wordpress site and im getting Server Error 500's
[20:56] <smittix> Im sure there is a PHP module I have missed. I can remember having this problem a while back.
[20:57] <smittix> But can't for the life of me remember the name of the package I installed to get it working.
[20:57] <Azelphur> smittix: have you checked /var/log/apache2/error.log assuming your using apache2
[20:58] <smittix> Azelphur: Yeah, Nothing there that stands out.
[20:59] <Azelphur> :(
[20:59] <smittix> Yeah nothing to go from at all really
[21:00] <smittix> ahhh. Light bulb moment.
[21:00] <smittix> brb
[21:01] <smittix> Nope that was not it.
[21:08] <jacobw> are you installing from packages?
[21:51] <TK5791> Hello
[21:51] <TK5791> Am I in the right channel to get some help with Ubuntu?
[21:52] <Azelphur> !ask | TK5791
[21:52] <Azelphur> :)
[21:52] <TK5791> how do I mount a network drive in Ubuntu?
[21:53] <Azelphur> what type of network drive?
[21:53] <TK5791> Seagate NAS
[21:53] <TK5791> Go Flex to be procise
[21:53] <Azelphur> hmm, not sure what protocol they talk
[21:58] <bigcalm> When in doubt, try smb/cifs
[21:59] <TK5791> my dictionary doesn't work in LibreOffice, anyone know how to fix?
[22:01] <TK5791> anyone home/
[22:01] <TK5791> there are 133 users on this channel and no one is saying anything?
[22:01] <TK5791> what gives???
[22:01] <AlanBell> we are all asleep
[22:02] <TK5791> sounds like your all dead more like
[22:02] <AlanBell> generally if people don't know the answer they don't say anything, plus loads of people are connected 24/7 but not at their computers
[22:02] <AlanBell> undead
[22:03] <AlanBell> what dictionary?
[22:03] <TK5791> UK English
[22:03] <TK5791> in Libra it simply doesn't appear
[22:04] <AlanBell> hmm, works for me
[22:04] <AlanBell> are you on oneiric (11.10)
[22:04] <TK5791> when I attempt to spell check it just tell me that everything is ok and then quits
[22:04] <TK5791> however I know that some of the words are wrong.
[22:05] <AlanBell> no wavey red underlines on words?
[22:05] <TK5791> nope
[22:05] <ahayzen> in the status bar at the bottom does it have 'English (UK)' ?
[22:05] <TK5791> yes
[22:06] <TK5791> however when I attempt to specify UK English as the main dictionary nothing happens
[22:06] <TK5791> very frustrating
[22:06] <TK5791> in fact Ubuntu is very frustrating period
[22:06] <TK5791> strike that last remark
[22:07] <TK5791> linux is very frustrating
[22:07] <zleap> why
[22:07] <ahayzen> Is autospell check enabled?
[22:09] <TK5791> yes
[22:11] <TK5791> tools - language - for all text - English (UK) (I'm unable to put a tick against this)
[22:11] <ahayzen> i can't either but my spell check is working
[22:12] <TK5791> well then you are either lucky or I am just dam unlucky
[22:13] <ahayzen> so if you go Tools => Options => language settings => writing aids ... are all the 'User defined dictionaries' ticked?
[22:13] <smittix> Azelphur: sorted it
[22:13] <Azelphur> smittix: :D
[22:13] <smittix> I was right with the "lightbulb moment"
[22:13] <smittix> I just didnt restart apache heh
[22:13] <TK5791> yep
[22:14] <smittix> I hadn't installed php5-gd
[22:15] <TK5791> can anyone suggest an open source alternative to Libra?
[22:15] <TK5791> Libre
[22:15] <bigcalm> Abiword
 thank you I'll give it a try
[22:16] <ahayzen> bigcalm: I like abiword :)
[22:18] <zleap> libreoffice is open source or do you want a simpler program ?
[22:21] <TK5791> no no no.... I want  a program that works
[22:22] <TK5791> libreoffice dictionary isn't working.... and no one seems to know how to fix it
[22:22] <TK5791> this all = frustration
[22:24] <ahayzen> TK5791: You could try the specific libreoffice channel (#libreoffice), as most of us here aren't libreoffice experts
[22:24] <AlanBell> and normally it just works
[22:24] <popey> TK5791: within libreoffice writer, if you go to tols -> spelling and grammar, what do you see in the top part of that window?
[22:24] <AlanBell> so you installed 11.10 from scratch right?
[22:27] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/lo.png
[22:27] <popey> should look like that
[22:30] <TK5791> it should look like this but all I get  is an empty box next to Text Language
[22:30] <TK5791> clearly the software hasn't engaged the dictionary
[22:30] <popey> ahh, thats good!
[22:31] <TK5791> assigned the dic is probably a better way of putting it
[22:31] <popey> the box which on my picture has English in, is that empty and if you click it there's no options there?
[22:31] <TK5791> correct
[22:31] <popey> ok
[22:32] <popey> so the dictionary isnt installed by the look of it
[22:33] <AlanBell> oh, it uses the system dictionaries
[22:33] <TK5791> really
[22:33] <TK5791> doesn't it come pre installed?
[22:33] <popey> it does, yes
[22:33] <popey> something has gone awry
[22:33] <TK5791> that figures
[22:33] <AlanBell> yes it does, but it isn't a libreoffice dictionary, it is across the whole shebang
[22:33] <popey> there's a single one line command I could give you which could just fix it
[22:34] <popey> if you are okay opening up a terminal?
[22:34] <TK5791> terminal right?
[22:34] <popey> yeah, if you can get to a terminal and issue this command it should install any missing stuff
[22:34] <TK5791> ok I'm ready
[22:34] <TK5791> do I need to quit the application 1st?
[22:34] <popey> now, there's one check before we do it, are you using Ubuntu or Kubuntu or some other derivative like Mint?
[22:34] <popey> yes
[22:35] <TK5791> ubuntu
[22:35] <popey> ok
[22:35] <popey> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^
[22:35] <popey> that is the command
[22:35] <popey> the caret on the end is important
[22:35] <popey> it will ask for your password
[22:35] <popey> then it _should_ install extra missing stuff
[22:36] <TK5791> ok
[22:37] <TK5791> its completed install I'll give it a bash
[22:37] <popey> did it download and install stuff?
[22:37] <popey> maybe stuff with dictionary type names?
[22:38] <TK5791> it installed something.... do I need to do something in the software to assign the dictionary?
[22:38] <popey> shouldn't have to
[22:38] <popey> it should figure it out
[22:38] <popey> if not, then something else may be amiss
[22:38] <TK5791> ok... then nothing has changed
[22:38] <popey> hmm
[22:39] <popey> ok, in libreoffice go to Tools -> Options
[22:40] <TK5791> ok
[22:40] <popey> Then on the left under 'Language Settings' there is 'Writing aids'
[22:40] <TK5791> yep
[22:41] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/lo.png
[22:41] <popey> thats what mine looks like
[22:43] <TK5791> i appear to be missing GB English
[22:43] <popey> ahh, thats progress
[22:43] <popey> no idea how you add that
[22:44] <popey> congratulations! you have successfully reached the limits of my libreoffice knowledge!
[22:44] <popey> You win a prize ☺
[22:44] <TK5791> ok
[22:44] <TK5791> thanks anyway
[22:44] <popey> I don't know if AlanBell knows more ☺
[22:45] <AlanBell> ok, lets see
[22:46] <AlanBell> ok TK5791 can you go to the system settings program and find the language support option in there
[22:46] <AlanBell> so in the dash search for system settings, or it might be on the launcher bar
[22:47] <smittix> TK5791: What version of Ubuntu?
[22:48] <TK5791> found it Alan
[22:48] <TK5791> its updating the language.. something was missing apparently
[22:48] <AlanBell> oooh
[22:48] <popey> yay
[22:49] <AlanBell> in that list it should start with English (United Kingdom) followed by English
[22:49] <TK5791> aye ;)
[22:49] <AlanBell> then some other colonies of the old British Empire
[22:50] <TK5791> fixed
[22:50] <AlanBell> yay
[22:50] <TK5791> its working now
[22:50] <TK5791> blimey that was a slog
[22:50] <TK5791> thank you thank you thank you thank you
[22:51] <smittix> another happy customer.
[22:51] <TK5791> now if I could only figure out how to mount a network drive
[22:51] <popey> a windows one?
[22:53] <bigcalm> Whenever I move my mouse to the bottom of this monitor, I keep expecting it to then appear on my Xoom tablet. Too many screens on this desk -
[22:54] <TK5791> no I linux one... Go Flex Seagate to be more precise
[22:54] <AlanBell> TK5791: in the nautilus file manager go to file-connect to server, in the type dropdown select the type of share (windows, ssh, etc) and put in the address to connect to
[22:55] <dutchie> hmmm
[22:55] <dutchie> cron is doing something strange
[22:55] <smittix> bigcalm: HEH
[22:55] <bigcalm> The device may show up on your 'Network' places
[22:56] <dutchie> well, not doing anything at all
[22:56] <TK5791> sorry don't know where Nautilus is
[22:56] <bigcalm> dutchie: what should it be doing?
[22:56] <bigcalm> 'something'
[22:57] <dutchie> it's supposed to be running a desktop background rotation script and a script wrapper round get_iplayer
[22:58] <dutchie> but it isn't
[22:58] <AlanBell> TK5791: nautilus is the name of the file manager, like finder or windows explorer
[22:58] <dutchie> I added a "* * * * * echo hi > /home/josh/cronstamp" and that ran
[22:58] <TK5791> I've found connect to server
[22:58] <dutchie> so i am assuming there is something wrong with the lines invoking the scripts
[22:59] <TK5791> it seems to be what you're referring to
[22:59] <AlanBell> great
[22:59] <TK5791> does afp mean anything
[23:00] <TK5791> I can see the drive, but can it mounted like a folder in win?
[23:00] <bigcalm> AFP is a news site
[23:00] <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Filing_Protocol
[23:00] <TK5791> AFP Volume
[23:00] <bigcalm> Oh
[23:01] <AlanBell> dunno if it supports that, most NAS devices present stuff as windows shares as well as other protocols
[23:01] <dutchie> ok, changing from "/path/to/script" to "/bin/bash /path/to/script" didn't make a difference
[23:01] <bigcalm> dutchie: if you're calling a .sh, try "/bin/sh /home/josh/myfunkyscript.sh"
[23:01] <dutchie> heh
[23:01]  * bigcalm shrugs :S
[23:01] <TK5791> I own a mac but I can assure you the drive wasn't set up on the mac but rather on Win vista
[23:02] <AlanBell> bug 846473
[23:03] <AlanBell> apparently the fix is that it can mount them now
[23:03] <AlanBell> I suspect the NAS box can serve up the same stuff as a windows share, AFP thing webdav etc. etc. The one that is advertised best is the AFP share, but it might not be the best one to connect to
[23:05] <TK5791> ok
[23:05] <TK5791> thank you again Alan... you've been a trem help
[23:10] <smittix> laptopamabob
[23:10] <dutchie> i made an askubuntu thing, http://askubuntu.com/questions/98855/cron-jobs-not-running
[23:14] <smittix> Can anyone access nixaddict.com ?
[23:14] <bigcalm> Oops, nothing here :(
[23:14] <smittix> that's ok. I can't get anything. Must be DNS
[23:15] <smittix> No post's I have only just brought it up.
[23:17] <bigcalm> I see
[23:17] <bigcalm> Yes, the site works for me
[23:17] <smittix> ta :)
[23:28] <HazRPG> \o greets from Egypt!
[23:48] <AlanBell> o/ HazRPG