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albrighabkerensa: you helped with the ubuntu weekly newsletter?00:30
c_smithhello00:31
* c_smith is using Kubuntu with GLX Dock00:32
bkerensaalbrigha: Yeah I help with UWN and Ubuntu Developer News00:36
bkerensaamong other many other things :P00:37
bkerensaeck00:37
bkerensafail00:37
* c_smith is back00:38
c_smithso, how is everyone?00:39
* shirgall just got his PMI-ACP certificate00:40
c_smithwhat's a PMI-ACP Cert?00:41
shirgallhttps://plus.google.com/photos/113030465347243519078/albums/570173457319251147300:42
shirgallc_smith: http://www.pmi.org/en/Certification/New-PMI-Agile-Certification.aspx00:42
albrighabkerensa: I wasn't tooo surprised to see your name.  but I really have no idea how you do it all.00:43
shirgallalbrigha: I'm pretty sure he does not sleep00:43
c_smithshirgall, ah, I see, congrats! :D00:43
bkerensaalbrigha: It requires lots of hours and sacrificing other things00:43
bkerensashirgall: Oh I sleep just not the hours of a normal human being :)00:43
albrighahaha00:44
bkerensashirgall: So does that certificate focus on like product management or projects?00:44
c_smithbkerensa, so you are an android? :P00:44
shirgallbkerensa: Both of my certs are related to projects, although some of the project sI work on are definitely making products00:44
bkerensacool00:44
bkerensashirgall: Do you plan to come to the 12.04 release? The amount of Canonical folks coming to events is growing :D00:45
shirgallbkerensa: The release party? I always try, but I often end up busy those same weekends.00:46
* c_smith wants some Linux posters for his room and a poster that says "Ubuntu User at work" for his door00:46
bkerensac_smith: spreadubuntu.org has some good ones you could likely print at Kinkos for not more than a few dollars00:47
bkerensa:)00:47
c_smithI intend to try to make it up to the 12.04 Release Party,00:47
c_smithbkerensa, thanks for the info.00:47
* bkerensa is hoping to get this certification http://womma.org/communitymanager/00:47
shirgallI might do CSM or CSPO as my next ones.00:48
albrighabkerensa: wow that's great00:49
albrighaI'm shooting for the ubuntu cert. and lpic.00:50
shirgallyeah, lpic is a good one00:50
* c_smith is looking forward to the 22nd of February00:52
c_smithanyone care to know what that is?00:52
albrighaDrew Berrymores birthday?00:54
c_smithnope, my B-day.00:57
albrighahow old will you be?00:58
bkerensaalbrigha: What? What Ubuntu Cert?01:02
bkerensaalbrigha: We have the LPI Certification book in the LoCo Library if you want to borrow it01:06
c_smithalbrigha, I'll be 20.01:14
* c_smith continues to look at Android tablets01:15
c_smithfound one, now to check Craigslist.01:15
albrighabkerensa: the..ubuntu professional01:17
c_smithCraigslist: nothing, all of them are in Portland.01:28
c_smithis http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Coby+-+Kyros+MID7120-4G+7%22+4+GB+Tablet+Computer+-+Wi-Fi+-+800+MHz/4260033.p?id=1218466809058&skuId=4260033&st=android%20tablet&cp=1&lp=3 any good?01:29
albrighahm01:36
albrighanot sure..01:36
albrighaI've just ordered a fire01:36
albrighathe coby has kinda bad reviews anyway01:36
albrighafor a few bucks more the fire is way better imv.. at least from the reviews01:36
c_smithdoes Kindle Fire run Android?01:38
c_smithplus, looking at the Kindle Fire, looks like it's a little out of my price range.01:43
shirgallc_smith: The version of Androin on the Kindle Fire is somewhat locked down01:50
shirgallc_smith: but you can sideload .apks if you want to01:50
shirgallc_smith: the verison of Android, however, is somewhat old01:50
shirgallc_smith: and the UI is replaced01:50
bkerensac_smith: Will there be a Salem Ubuntu Hour this week if so might you ping the mailing list about it. Btw keep up the good work... I'm going to have to send you something cool soon for your hardwork01:50
shirgallYou might be able to find Acer Iconias at a decent price if you poke around01:51
shirgallMy wife snagged a Acer Iconia A500 10" tablet for $200 used01:52
* shirgall has a Fire01:52
bkerensaRadioshack has some low-end androids for $100 (at least they did a few months back)01:52
* bkerensa dislikes tablets and refuses to own one :)01:52
shirgallbkerensa: Someday they might get better. :)01:53
bkerensaI think if I had to talk at a convention I might get a ipad because it seems speakers use them a lot01:53
shirgallbkerensa: The interesting trend at NAMM this year is a series of mixers with iPad interfaces. Mackie and Behringer both announced them.01:53
bkerensainteresting01:54
shirgallWhen I played sound engineer's assistant I was in college (late 80's). Things have changed a bit. :)01:54
bkerensaimho if you have a laptop and smartphone why own a Tablet? I could not justify the limited use I would get out of a tablet01:55
shirgallbkerensa: Well, for me I wanted more screen real estate to read books and play Scrabble with my wife. :)01:55
shirgallbkerensa: Much more portable than my laptop in that sense.01:55
shirgallbkerensa: I can get a Fire in my jean and coat pockets.01:56
c_smithBkerensa, the Salem Ubuntu Hour is still happening.01:57
bkerensaexcellent c_smith02:29
bkerensac_smith: I was just going to ask... Why do you PGP sign all your e-mail? :)02:30
* bkerensa only signs e-mail in the case that it is of major importance 02:30
c_smithbkerensa, dunno02:33
c_smithshould I stop doing so?02:33
bkerensac_smith: I guess that is personal preference.... I use a key obviously for signing my uploads, patches etc but I dont see a major need to sign e-mail unless your e-mail concerns something important like transferring data or info that you need to authenticate your identity02:36
bkerensaMaybe shirgall can help me out? Do you sign all of you e-mail?02:36
c_smithhmmmm, makes sense.02:38
bkerensa<pleia2> bkerensa: I don't sign any of it02:39
bkerensa<pleia2> I only use gpg for debian package signing and as an encryption method (I'll email gpg encrypted files to specific recipients so only they can open them)02:39
bkerensac_smith: ^02:40
bkerensathats pretty much the norm02:40
c_smithhmmmm, ok02:40
bkerensaso say you needed to send me some closed source code02:40
bkerensathen you could encrypt it that way only I could open it02:40
bkerensa:)02:40
c_smithcool02:40
c_smiththanks for the heads up.02:41
shirgallbkerensa: I don't sign all of my email, just the official stuff02:41
shirgallbkerensa: I do GPG sign things when it's needed02:42
c_smithI have changed the Enigmail setup to only send it when I call for it.02:42
shirgallbkerensa: Because I use gmail, I am limited in what's automatic for me02:42
bkerensayeah...02:42
c_smithbkerensa, it seems Linux Journal has gone to digital subscriptions only.02:50
c_smithalso, is the BSP being integrated into the 12.04 Release Party still a possibility>02:55
c_smith*?02:55
bkerensac_smith: They went digital quite awhile ago03:10
bkerensac_smith: Well a BSP is technically a Debian event... Ubuntu we just call them jams :P But yes I hope to have a technical focus for those interested and those who are not can just socialize03:10
c_smithah, ok03:14
c_smithintegrating that kind of stuff with a release party should be interesting, I'll definitely take part in it and try to learn something from it.03:15
c_smithwhat's the generally accepted language for bug squishing? C? C++?03:16
bkerensawhat do you mean?03:17
bkerensaYou do not necessarily need to know a language to do bug fixes unless the problem is in the code03:18
c_smithah, ok, I was wondering what it would take to get my feet wet in bug squishing.03:18
bkerensaif its the code versus a bitesize or something trivial then you would need to know the language the application is written in which could be anything from C to Python to something else03:19
c_smiththat's what I needed to know, I know nothing of fixing bugs, but I would like to try.03:20
bkerensabitesize bug fixes is a good place to start is your not familiar with programming03:21
bkerensasomething can be simple like typos in the debian/control03:21
bkerensato much more complex things like code that needs improvement03:22
c_smithhmmm, ok03:25
sbeattiebkerensa: so if you don't sign all your emails, how do you refute a forged unsigned email that purports to be from you?05:19
sbeattieGranted, I started doing it a decade ago out of trying make to make sure email infrastructure supported and because mutt makes it very easy to do so, but still.05:21
bkerensasbeattie: Very good question. I don't anticipate a coordinated attack on my identity in the near future or an attempt to impersonate me via forged mail06:16
bkerensaThe simplest way for me to refute it though is by looking at the mail headers and proving that the source ip's were forged06:17
bkerensasbeattle: Btw thanks for joining us on IRC :)06:19
* sbeattie makes a note to forge an email from bkerensa at UDS if bkerensa makes it.06:25
sbeattie:-)06:25
sbeattieMind you, I've had friends who signed every email for a while, and then stopped signing them, and waited to see if anyone noticed. No one did.06:37
bkerensaugh nautilus is acting abnormal07:39
bkerensa:D07:39
bkerensac_smith: Tomorrow I would love to touch base with you on the Ubuntu Developer  News work if you are interested still let me know08:11
c_smithbkerensa, forgot I had Xchat still open when I went to sleep, but I'll hit you up on the Ubuntu Developer News at around Noon. I have been trying to get a hold of you for a while about that for a while (Forgot to ask you about it yesterday.)14:26
TRAVISgbkerensa I remember you saying something about not needing to stay logged in on xchat if I was logged in through znc but I have not seen the conversations I miss when I do15:29
bkerensahmm15:29
bkerensaTRAVISg: I will check that setting promptly15:29
TRAVISgI am going to try it again today. I just hate missing things.15:29
TRAVISgbkerensa thankyou sir YO ROCK!!!!15:30
TRAVISgor YOU ROCK15:30
bkerensaTRAVISg: Should now work15:31
TRAVISg*bows deeeply15:31
TRAVISgbkenernsa thanks15:32
TRAVISgbkerensa thanks15:32
TRAVISgAll right I am off to work15:32
bkerensaUbuntu 12.04 Development Update: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/ubuntu-12-04-development-update-11/16:15
=== kalosaurusrex is now known as albrigha
bkerensagood morning albrigha16:21
albrighagood morning!16:21
albrighaevolution or thunderbird?16:25
albrighaor something else?16:25
albrighaI can't decide..16:25
albrighaI'm using evolution now..but used thunderbird in the past.16:25
albrighanot sure if I'm happy with evo16:25
bkerensaI use thunderbird16:29
bkerensaevo imho is horrible16:29
albrighaokay I'm gonna work on switching thanks :) evo just seems..so clunky.16:35
bkerensaheh16:35
bkerensathats why they removed it from 12.0416:35
bkerensanobody uses it16:35
albrighaI haven't used it before..figured I'd give it a try. but I can see why16:36
albrigha(why no one uses it)16:36
=== izdubar is now known as MarkDude
c_smithyo20:09
c_smithbkerensa, are you available for discussing the Ubuntu Dev News?20:10
bkerensayes20:10
bkerensa:)20:11
* bkerensa just got off phone from turning power on at my new place20:11
bkerensa:D20:11
bkerensac_smith: So the idea with Ubuntu Dev News is we work in a Google Docs setting20:11
bkerensaEvery week we publish on Thursday in the early A.M. so all work and contributions are best to be done by Wednesday night20:11
bkerensaWe have one document called "Next Issue" and another called "Next Issue Planning"20:12
bkerensaNext Issue Planning is regularly updated with the Launchpad ID's of users who have recently uploaded code or a package for the first time20:12
bkerensaWe aim to interview a first time development contribute every week in a spotlight20:12
bkerensaAs such we send e-mails weekly with interview questions20:13
bkerensaIn addition to these interviews we also look at a Google Calendar of events and highlight any development related events coming up in the week20:13
bkerensaand we also summarize stuff occuring in the precise release schedule20:13
bkerensaall of this is well documented in the google doc "Next Issue Planning" and much of it is copy past and writing short summaries20:14
c_smithah, that doesn't sound too hard.20:14
c_smithnot like I'm writing a novel.20:15
bkerensanope20:15
bkerensaits pretty easy20:15
bkerensain fact if you go to omgubuntu20:15
bkerensayou can see the Dev News for this week20:15
bkerensaits posted there and on fridge.ubuntu.com every week20:15
bkerensaso you can see that the format never changes much20:15
c_smiththink I have a link for the fridge.ubuntu.com on Choqok.20:16
bkerensaif you are interested in doing this.... dholbach who is the Developer Community Manager guy at Canonical and I would like to setup a Google+ Hangout soon just to talk....20:16
bkerensaIll let him know since he is sleeping now20:16
c_smithcool, I;m up for this.20:16
bkerensait would be pretty late night I think or early morning20:17
bkerensasince he is in Germany20:17
bkerensa:)20:17
bkerensaI think he comes on at 11pm our time20:17
bkerensabut he stays on till like 7-8am our time too20:17
bkerensa:D20:17
c_smithhmmmm, gonna have to keep it to where I'm not I'm not waking everyone up, the one I'm worried about is Jim, as he's a light sleeper.20:18
c_smithmmmmmm...... burrito.20:18
c_smithbkerensa, you may have to school me on G+ hangouts, never even been in one hosted by another person,20:19
TRAVISghello any body here?23:34
albrighahey TRAVISg I am, sorta23:37
TRAVISghee hee23:37
TRAVISgCongrats I hear are in order23:37

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