[00:30] <albrigha> bkerensa: you helped with the ubuntu weekly newsletter?
[00:31] <c_smith> hello
[00:32]  * c_smith is using Kubuntu with GLX Dock
[00:36] <bkerensa> albrigha: Yeah I help with UWN and Ubuntu Developer News
[00:37] <bkerensa> among other many other things :P
[00:37] <bkerensa> eck
[00:37] <bkerensa> fail
[00:38]  * c_smith is back
[00:39] <c_smith> so, how is everyone?
[00:40]  * shirgall just got his PMI-ACP certificate
[00:41] <c_smith> what's a PMI-ACP Cert?
[00:42] <shirgall> https://plus.google.com/photos/113030465347243519078/albums/5701734573192511473
[00:42] <shirgall> c_smith: http://www.pmi.org/en/Certification/New-PMI-Agile-Certification.aspx
[00:43] <albrigha> bkerensa: I wasn't tooo surprised to see your name.  but I really have no idea how you do it all.
[00:43] <shirgall> albrigha: I'm pretty sure he does not sleep
[00:43] <c_smith> shirgall, ah, I see, congrats! :D
[00:43] <bkerensa> albrigha: It requires lots of hours and sacrificing other things
[00:43] <bkerensa> shirgall: Oh I sleep just not the hours of a normal human being :)
[00:44] <albrigha> haha
[00:44] <bkerensa> shirgall: So does that certificate focus on like product management or projects?
[00:44] <c_smith> bkerensa, so you are an android? :P
[00:44] <shirgall> bkerensa: Both of my certs are related to projects, although some of the project sI work on are definitely making products
[00:44] <bkerensa> cool
[00:45] <bkerensa> shirgall: Do you plan to come to the 12.04 release? The amount of Canonical folks coming to events is growing :D
[00:46] <shirgall> bkerensa: The release party? I always try, but I often end up busy those same weekends.
[00:46]  * c_smith wants some Linux posters for his room and a poster that says "Ubuntu User at work" for his door
[00:47] <bkerensa> c_smith: spreadubuntu.org has some good ones you could likely print at Kinkos for not more than a few dollars
[00:47] <bkerensa> :)
[00:47] <c_smith> I intend to try to make it up to the 12.04 Release Party,
[00:47] <c_smith> bkerensa, thanks for the info.
[00:47]  * bkerensa is hoping to get this certification http://womma.org/communitymanager/
[00:48] <shirgall> I might do CSM or CSPO as my next ones.
[00:49] <albrigha> bkerensa: wow that's great
[00:50] <albrigha> I'm shooting for the ubuntu cert. and lpic.
[00:50] <shirgall> yeah, lpic is a good one
[00:52]  * c_smith is looking forward to the 22nd of February
[00:52] <c_smith> anyone care to know what that is?
[00:54] <albrigha> Drew Berrymores birthday?
[00:57] <c_smith> nope, my B-day.
[00:58] <albrigha> how old will you be?
[01:02] <bkerensa> albrigha: What? What Ubuntu Cert?
[01:06] <bkerensa> albrigha: We have the LPI Certification book in the LoCo Library if you want to borrow it
[01:14] <c_smith> albrigha, I'll be 20.
[01:15]  * c_smith continues to look at Android tablets
[01:15] <c_smith> found one, now to check Craigslist.
[01:17] <albrigha> bkerensa: the..ubuntu professional
[01:28] <c_smith> Craigslist: nothing, all of them are in Portland.
[01:29] <c_smith> is http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Coby+-+Kyros+MID7120-4G+7%22+4+GB+Tablet+Computer+-+Wi-Fi+-+800+MHz/4260033.p?id=1218466809058&skuId=4260033&st=android%20tablet&cp=1&lp=3 any good?
[01:36] <albrigha> hm
[01:36] <albrigha> not sure..
[01:36] <albrigha> I've just ordered a fire
[01:36] <albrigha> the coby has kinda bad reviews anyway
[01:36] <albrigha> for a few bucks more the fire is way better imv.. at least from the reviews
[01:38] <c_smith> does Kindle Fire run Android?
[01:43] <c_smith> plus, looking at the Kindle Fire, looks like it's a little out of my price range.
[01:50] <shirgall> c_smith: The version of Androin on the Kindle Fire is somewhat locked down
[01:50] <shirgall> c_smith: but you can sideload .apks if you want to
[01:50] <shirgall> c_smith: the verison of Android, however, is somewhat old
[01:50] <shirgall> c_smith: and the UI is replaced
[01:50] <bkerensa> c_smith: Will there be a Salem Ubuntu Hour this week if so might you ping the mailing list about it. Btw keep up the good work... I'm going to have to send you something cool soon for your hardwork
[01:51] <shirgall> You might be able to find Acer Iconias at a decent price if you poke around
[01:52] <shirgall> My wife snagged a Acer Iconia A500 10" tablet for $200 used
[01:52]  * shirgall has a Fire
[01:52] <bkerensa> Radioshack has some low-end androids for $100 (at least they did a few months back)
[01:52]  * bkerensa dislikes tablets and refuses to own one :)
[01:53] <shirgall> bkerensa: Someday they might get better. :)
[01:53] <bkerensa> I think if I had to talk at a convention I might get a ipad because it seems speakers use them a lot
[01:53] <shirgall> bkerensa: The interesting trend at NAMM this year is a series of mixers with iPad interfaces. Mackie and Behringer both announced them.
[01:54] <bkerensa> interesting
[01:54] <shirgall> When I played sound engineer's assistant I was in college (late 80's). Things have changed a bit. :)
[01:55] <bkerensa> imho if you have a laptop and smartphone why own a Tablet? I could not justify the limited use I would get out of a tablet
[01:55] <shirgall> bkerensa: Well, for me I wanted more screen real estate to read books and play Scrabble with my wife. :)
[01:55] <shirgall> bkerensa: Much more portable than my laptop in that sense.
[01:56] <shirgall> bkerensa: I can get a Fire in my jean and coat pockets.
[01:57] <c_smith> Bkerensa, the Salem Ubuntu Hour is still happening.
[02:29] <bkerensa> excellent c_smith
[02:30] <bkerensa> c_smith: I was just going to ask... Why do you PGP sign all your e-mail? :)
[02:30]  * bkerensa only signs e-mail in the case that it is of major importance 
[02:33] <c_smith> bkerensa, dunno
[02:33] <c_smith> should I stop doing so?
[02:36] <bkerensa> c_smith: I guess that is personal preference.... I use a key obviously for signing my uploads, patches etc but I dont see a major need to sign e-mail unless your e-mail concerns something important like transferring data or info that you need to authenticate your identity
[02:36] <bkerensa> Maybe shirgall can help me out? Do you sign all of you e-mail?
[02:38] <c_smith> hmmmm, makes sense.
[02:39] <bkerensa> <pleia2> bkerensa: I don't sign any of it
[02:39] <bkerensa> <pleia2> I only use gpg for debian package signing and as an encryption method (I'll email gpg encrypted files to specific recipients so only they can open them)
[02:40] <bkerensa> c_smith: ^
[02:40] <bkerensa> thats pretty much the norm
[02:40] <c_smith> hmmmm, ok
[02:40] <bkerensa> so say you needed to send me some closed source code
[02:40] <bkerensa> then you could encrypt it that way only I could open it
[02:40] <bkerensa> :)
[02:40] <c_smith> cool
[02:41] <c_smith> thanks for the heads up.
[02:41] <shirgall> bkerensa: I don't sign all of my email, just the official stuff
[02:42] <shirgall> bkerensa: I do GPG sign things when it's needed
[02:42] <c_smith> I have changed the Enigmail setup to only send it when I call for it.
[02:42] <shirgall> bkerensa: Because I use gmail, I am limited in what's automatic for me
[02:42] <bkerensa> yeah...
[02:50] <c_smith> bkerensa, it seems Linux Journal has gone to digital subscriptions only.
[02:55] <c_smith> also, is the BSP being integrated into the 12.04 Release Party still a possibility>
[02:55] <c_smith> *?
[03:10] <bkerensa> c_smith: They went digital quite awhile ago
[03:10] <bkerensa> c_smith: Well a BSP is technically a Debian event... Ubuntu we just call them jams :P But yes I hope to have a technical focus for those interested and those who are not can just socialize
[03:14] <c_smith> ah, ok
[03:15] <c_smith> integrating that kind of stuff with a release party should be interesting, I'll definitely take part in it and try to learn something from it.
[03:16] <c_smith> what's the generally accepted language for bug squishing? C? C++?
[03:17] <bkerensa> what do you mean?
[03:18] <bkerensa> You do not necessarily need to know a language to do bug fixes unless the problem is in the code
[03:18] <c_smith> ah, ok, I was wondering what it would take to get my feet wet in bug squishing.
[03:19] <bkerensa> if its the code versus a bitesize or something trivial then you would need to know the language the application is written in which could be anything from C to Python to something else
[03:20] <c_smith> that's what I needed to know, I know nothing of fixing bugs, but I would like to try.
[03:21] <bkerensa> bitesize bug fixes is a good place to start is your not familiar with programming
[03:21] <bkerensa> something can be simple like typos in the debian/control
[03:22] <bkerensa> to much more complex things like code that needs improvement
[03:25] <c_smith> hmmm, ok
[05:19] <sbeattie> bkerensa: so if you don't sign all your emails, how do you refute a forged unsigned email that purports to be from you?
[05:21] <sbeattie> Granted, I started doing it a decade ago out of trying make to make sure email infrastructure supported and because mutt makes it very easy to do so, but still.
[06:16] <bkerensa> sbeattie: Very good question. I don't anticipate a coordinated attack on my identity in the near future or an attempt to impersonate me via forged mail
[06:17] <bkerensa> The simplest way for me to refute it though is by looking at the mail headers and proving that the source ip's were forged
[06:19] <bkerensa> sbeattle: Btw thanks for joining us on IRC :)
[06:25]  * sbeattie makes a note to forge an email from bkerensa at UDS if bkerensa makes it.
[06:25] <sbeattie> :-)
[06:37] <sbeattie> Mind you, I've had friends who signed every email for a while, and then stopped signing them, and waited to see if anyone noticed. No one did.
[07:39] <bkerensa> ugh nautilus is acting abnormal
[07:39] <bkerensa> :D
[08:11] <bkerensa> c_smith: Tomorrow I would love to touch base with you on the Ubuntu Developer  News work if you are interested still let me know
[14:26] <c_smith> bkerensa, forgot I had Xchat still open when I went to sleep, but I'll hit you up on the Ubuntu Developer News at around Noon. I have been trying to get a hold of you for a while about that for a while (Forgot to ask you about it yesterday.)
[15:29] <TRAVISg> bkerensa I remember you saying something about not needing to stay logged in on xchat if I was logged in through znc but I have not seen the conversations I miss when I do
[15:29] <bkerensa> hmm
[15:29] <bkerensa> TRAVISg: I will check that setting promptly
[15:29] <TRAVISg> I am going to try it again today. I just hate missing things.
[15:30] <TRAVISg> bkerensa thankyou sir YO ROCK!!!!
[15:30] <TRAVISg> or YOU ROCK
[15:31] <bkerensa> TRAVISg: Should now work
[15:31] <TRAVISg> *bows deeeply
[15:32] <TRAVISg> bkenernsa thanks
[15:32] <TRAVISg> bkerensa thanks
[15:32] <TRAVISg> All right I am off to work
[16:15] <bkerensa> Ubuntu 12.04 Development Update: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/ubuntu-12-04-development-update-11/
[16:21] <bkerensa> good morning albrigha
[16:21] <albrigha> good morning!
[16:25] <albrigha> evolution or thunderbird?
[16:25] <albrigha> or something else?
[16:25] <albrigha> I can't decide..
[16:25] <albrigha> I'm using evolution now..but used thunderbird in the past.
[16:25] <albrigha> not sure if I'm happy with evo
[16:29] <bkerensa> I use thunderbird
[16:29] <bkerensa> evo imho is horrible
[16:35] <albrigha> okay I'm gonna work on switching thanks :) evo just seems..so clunky.
[16:35] <bkerensa> heh
[16:35] <bkerensa> thats why they removed it from 12.04
[16:35] <bkerensa> nobody uses it
[16:36] <albrigha> I haven't used it before..figured I'd give it a try. but I can see why
[16:36] <albrigha> (why no one uses it)
[20:09] <c_smith> yo
[20:10] <c_smith> bkerensa, are you available for discussing the Ubuntu Dev News?
[20:10] <bkerensa> yes
[20:11] <bkerensa> :)
[20:11]  * bkerensa just got off phone from turning power on at my new place
[20:11] <bkerensa> :D
[20:11] <bkerensa> c_smith: So the idea with Ubuntu Dev News is we work in a Google Docs setting
[20:11] <bkerensa> Every week we publish on Thursday in the early A.M. so all work and contributions are best to be done by Wednesday night
[20:12] <bkerensa> We have one document called "Next Issue" and another called "Next Issue Planning"
[20:12] <bkerensa> Next Issue Planning is regularly updated with the Launchpad ID's of users who have recently uploaded code or a package for the first time
[20:12] <bkerensa> We aim to interview a first time development contribute every week in a spotlight
[20:13] <bkerensa> As such we send e-mails weekly with interview questions
[20:13] <bkerensa> In addition to these interviews we also look at a Google Calendar of events and highlight any development related events coming up in the week
[20:13] <bkerensa> and we also summarize stuff occuring in the precise release schedule
[20:14] <bkerensa> all of this is well documented in the google doc "Next Issue Planning" and much of it is copy past and writing short summaries
[20:14] <c_smith> ah, that doesn't sound too hard.
[20:15] <c_smith> not like I'm writing a novel.
[20:15] <bkerensa> nope
[20:15] <bkerensa> its pretty easy
[20:15] <bkerensa> in fact if you go to omgubuntu
[20:15] <bkerensa> you can see the Dev News for this week
[20:15] <bkerensa> its posted there and on fridge.ubuntu.com every week
[20:15] <bkerensa> so you can see that the format never changes much
[20:16] <c_smith> think I have a link for the fridge.ubuntu.com on Choqok.
[20:16] <bkerensa> if you are interested in doing this.... dholbach who is the Developer Community Manager guy at Canonical and I would like to setup a Google+ Hangout soon just to talk....
[20:16] <bkerensa> Ill let him know since he is sleeping now
[20:16] <c_smith> cool, I;m up for this.
[20:17] <bkerensa> it would be pretty late night I think or early morning
[20:17] <bkerensa> since he is in Germany
[20:17] <bkerensa> :)
[20:17] <bkerensa> I think he comes on at 11pm our time
[20:17] <bkerensa> but he stays on till like 7-8am our time too
[20:17] <bkerensa> :D
[20:18] <c_smith> hmmmm, gonna have to keep it to where I'm not I'm not waking everyone up, the one I'm worried about is Jim, as he's a light sleeper.
[20:18] <c_smith> mmmmmm...... burrito.
[20:19] <c_smith> bkerensa, you may have to school me on G+ hangouts, never even been in one hosted by another person,
[23:34] <TRAVISg> hello any body here?
[23:37] <albrigha> hey TRAVISg I am, sorta
[23:37] <TRAVISg> hee hee
[23:37] <TRAVISg> Congrats I hear are in order