| djalizod | hello | 03:43 |
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| h00k | hi. | 15:38 |
| bigbash | Hey h0 | 16:20 |
| bigbash | h00k, | 16:20 |
| bigbash | When you get a chance I have a quick question for you about vmware | 16:21 |
| h00k | bigbash: yo | 18:45 |
| h00k | yeah | 18:45 |
| h00k | bigbash: what's up | 18:45 |
| bigbash | If you had the choice of adding a 3rd server with 2 procs 6 cores/ea or just maxing the RAM in the other 2 servers what would you do? | 18:47 |
| bigbash | let me know if that doesn't make sense | 18:48 |
| h00k | bigbash: nah, it makes sense. Are you running into any processor contention? | 18:53 |
| h00k | bigbash: are you seeing CPU Ready Time on any of the servers? | 18:53 |
| h00k | s/servers/VMs | 18:54 |
| h00k | bigbash: also, do you have a need for 'true' FT? | 18:54 |
| bigbash | haven't gotten them yet, we were going to do 3 servers but they decided to scale back costs and dropped the 3rd server but now they are worried about redundancy | 18:55 |
| bigbash | The 2 servers we configured have 2 x5650s with 9x8GB sticks in each | 18:55 |
| h00k | bigbash: if they want to run anything in fault-tolerant mode, 3 for sure. Even if they want to have one that's not as 'beefy' as the others, they don't have to be identical hardware | 18:56 |
| bigbash | Ok | 18:57 |
| h00k | because then you can still keep a server in FT-mode if one of the servers drop | 18:57 |
| h00k | We have 3x dual X5650 hosts | 18:57 |
| bigbash | so we could use one of our newer servers that is becoming a virtual to make as a 3rd host and still have the FT? | 18:58 |
| h00k | and 196gb of mem | 18:58 |
| bigbash | 196 over all 3? | 18:58 |
| h00k | in each | 18:58 |
| bigbash | ok | 18:58 |
| h00k | bigbash: sure, you could | 18:58 |
| bigbash | hmmm | 18:58 |
| bigbash | how many hosts do you run? | 18:58 |
| h00k | you can repurpose an existing server, if they have Intel and Vx | 18:58 |
| bigbash | the old server has dual intel xeons | 18:59 |
| h00k | bigbash: 3 hosts, 1 SAN, currently 126Vms | 18:59 |
| h00k | bigbash: cool, that should still work | 18:59 |
| h00k | if it can talk to whatever storage you have | 18:59 |
| bigbash | That's what we are looking at 3 hosts, 1 SAN with 7.2TB | 18:59 |
| h00k | bigbash: nice. yeah, that's what we have. what SAN? | 19:00 |
| bigbash | P4300 | 19:00 |
| bigbash | HP | 19:00 |
| h00k | Ah, yeah. Cool | 19:00 |
| h00k | SAS SAN | 19:00 |
| bigbash | Nice | 19:01 |
| h00k | bigbash: how many VMs do you plan? | 19:01 |
| bigbash | around 120 would be max | 19:01 |
| h00k | Cool. What types of stuff are you doing? | 19:02 |
| bigbash | for doing thin clients but over a 5yr period | 19:02 |
| h00k | bigbash: Ah, VDI. | 19:02 |
| bigbash | plan on testing in about 6mo-1yr | 19:02 |
| h00k | bigbash: that's what we're doing with ours, hosted VDI stuffs. | 19:02 |
| bigbash | nice | 19:02 |
| h00k | Are you doing VMware View, or Citrix XenDesktop? | 19:02 |
| bigbash | hmm not sure yet | 19:03 |
| h00k | Ah, okay | 19:03 |
| bigbash | I like view | 19:03 |
| h00k | I haven't used it yet :( | 19:03 |
| bigbash | what are you using? | 19:03 |
| h00k | We use both XenDesktop and XenApp | 19:03 |
| bigbash | ah | 19:03 |
| h00k | the school is using XenApp for terminal-server like sessions (windows 7) | 19:03 |
| bigbash | I like XenApp | 19:03 |
| h00k | published desktops | 19:03 |
| bigbash | Give em just what they need | 19:04 |
| bigbash | appwis | 19:04 |
| bigbash | appwise | 19:04 |
| h00k | and we have XenDesktop for our internal, demo, and a client on Oklahoma | 19:04 |
| h00k | Another school is being brought on, they'll be doing XenApp as well | 19:04 |
| bigbash | you are on vsphere 4 right? | 19:05 |
| h00k | currently, yeah :( | 19:05 |
| h00k | I want to play with 5! | 19:05 |
| h00k | I read the release notes/errata, we should be okay! | 19:05 |
| bigbash | i'm a little nervous about v5 licensing | 19:05 |
| h00k | Yeah, same here. I don't know what it'll do with us. | 19:05 |
| h00k | Although, I think we can get Academic licensing | 19:06 |
| h00k | because of the schools we're hosting | 19:06 |
| h00k | XenApp gives us way more density than running XenDesktops for a ton of people ;) | 19:06 |
| bigbash | according to the vendor they think that with 2 hosts 2proc ea and 72GB RAM in each | 19:07 |
| bigbash | we only need 1 license of vsphere5 Standard AK | 19:08 |
| h00k | Yeah, the standard, you get the three-host pack | 19:08 |
| bigbash | which looks like it doesn't have FT | 19:08 |
| h00k | which is good for up to 3 hosts, 2 procs each, and...196 gigs of ram, I think | 19:08 |
| h00k | Standard doesn't, but the ... | 19:08 |
| * h00k looks | 19:08 | |
| h00k | I just quoted it out for a client yesterday | 19:08 |
| h00k | Essentials Plus | 19:09 |
| h00k | V5 ESSENTIALS PLUS KIT 3HOST MAX 2CPU PER HOST AND 192GB VRAM | 19:09 |
| bigbash | This is the licensing whitepaper I found for v5 | 19:09 |
| bigbash | http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf | 19:09 |
| h00k | is the line item | 19:09 |
| h00k | Yeah, get one of the kits | 19:10 |
| h00k | the Essentials Plus Kit will give you HA and FT, if you need it, anyway. | 19:10 |
| bigbash | ok so we will max at 256GB if I read it correct right? | 19:10 |
| h00k | and inherently vMotion with the FT | 19:10 |
| h00k | bigbash: that's per-host | 19:11 |
| bigbash | really?!?! | 19:11 |
| bigbash | woohoo | 19:11 |
| bigbash | 256GB max/host physical? | 19:11 |
| h00k | hang on, I have to figure out vRAM again. | 19:13 |
| h00k | I figured it out once. | 19:13 |
| bigbash | ok | 19:14 |
| h00k | Yeah, pretty sure you're right | 19:15 |
| bigbash | I hope so | 19:15 |
| bigbash | don't wanna go back and ask for another huge chunk of money, and say oppps my bad | 19:15 |
| h00k | Right... | 19:17 |
| h00k | well, you should be able to talk directly to VMware and ask too, just to make sure | 19:17 |
| bigbash | yea | 19:17 |
| bigbash | vendor is supposed to call me at 3 with a vmware rep now | 19:18 |
| bigbash | that'll help clear things up | 19:18 |
| h00k | Cool. | 19:18 |
| bigbash | you have been a huge help | 19:21 |
| h00k | I don't even feel like I did anything! | 19:21 |
| h00k | but I'm here. | 19:21 |
| h00k | Also, on g-talk anthony.hook3@gmail.com anytime | 19:22 |
| bigbash | sounds good | 19:22 |
| bigbash | now to roll out linux desktops :) | 19:22 |
| h00k | ;) | 19:22 |
| h00k | Oh, is that the plan?! | 19:22 |
| h00k | That's even better | 19:22 |
| h00k | http://code.google.com/p/vmware-view-open-client/ etc | 19:23 |
| bigbash | sweet | 19:23 |
| h00k | bigbash: are you doing linux desktops? | 19:25 |
| bigbash | i'd like to but the software they use at the counters are win only | 19:25 |
| bigbash | my stuff on the other hand | 19:26 |
| bigbash | i can | 19:26 |
| h00k | Ah, okay. | 19:29 |
| h00k | I ask because... | 19:29 |
| h00k | I forget why. | 19:29 |
| bigbash | I can also get my desktop via my TP | 19:30 |
| bigbash | :) | 19:30 |
| h00k | :) | 19:31 |
| bigbash | h00k, so final decision is 3 hosts 2x X5650 with 144GB RAM/ea | 22:16 |
| h00k | bigbash: :D | 22:55 |
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