[03:43] <djalizod> hello
[15:38] <h00k> hi.
[16:20] <bigbash> Hey h0
[16:20] <bigbash> h00k,
[16:21] <bigbash> When you get a chance I have a quick question for you about vmware
[18:45] <h00k> bigbash: yo
[18:45] <h00k> yeah
[18:45] <h00k> bigbash: what's up
[18:47] <bigbash> If you had the choice of adding a 3rd server with 2 procs 6 cores/ea or just maxing the RAM in the other 2 servers what would you do?
[18:48] <bigbash> let me know if that doesn't make sense
[18:53] <h00k> bigbash: nah, it makes sense. Are you running into any processor contention?
[18:53] <h00k> bigbash: are you seeing CPU Ready Time on any of the servers?
[18:54] <h00k> s/servers/VMs
[18:54] <h00k> bigbash: also, do you have a need for 'true' FT?
[18:55] <bigbash> haven't gotten them yet, we were going to do 3 servers but they decided to scale back costs and dropped the 3rd server but now they are worried about redundancy
[18:55] <bigbash> The 2 servers we configured have 2 x5650s with 9x8GB sticks in each
[18:56] <h00k> bigbash: if they want to run anything in fault-tolerant mode, 3 for sure. Even if they want to have one that's not as 'beefy' as the others, they don't have to be identical hardware
[18:57] <bigbash> Ok
[18:57] <h00k> because then you can still keep a server in FT-mode if one of the servers drop
[18:57] <h00k> We have 3x dual X5650 hosts
[18:58] <bigbash> so we could use one of our newer servers that is becoming a virtual to make as a 3rd host and still have the FT?
[18:58] <h00k> and 196gb of mem
[18:58] <bigbash> 196 over all 3?
[18:58] <h00k> in each
[18:58] <bigbash> ok
[18:58] <h00k> bigbash: sure, you could
[18:58] <bigbash> hmmm
[18:58] <bigbash> how many hosts do you run?
[18:58] <h00k> you can repurpose an existing server, if they have Intel and Vx
[18:59] <bigbash> the old server has dual intel xeons
[18:59] <h00k> bigbash: 3 hosts, 1 SAN, currently 126Vms
[18:59] <h00k> bigbash: cool, that should still work
[18:59] <h00k> if it can talk to whatever storage you have
[18:59] <bigbash> That's what we are looking at 3 hosts, 1 SAN with 7.2TB
[19:00] <h00k> bigbash: nice. yeah, that's what we have. what SAN?
[19:00] <bigbash> P4300
[19:00] <bigbash> HP
[19:00] <h00k> Ah, yeah. Cool
[19:00] <h00k> SAS SAN
[19:01] <bigbash> Nice
[19:01] <h00k> bigbash: how many VMs do you plan?
[19:01] <bigbash> around 120 would be max
[19:02] <h00k> Cool. What types of stuff are you doing?
[19:02] <bigbash> for doing thin clients but over a 5yr period
[19:02] <h00k> bigbash: Ah, VDI.
[19:02] <bigbash> plan on testing in about 6mo-1yr
[19:02] <h00k> bigbash: that's what we're doing with ours, hosted VDI stuffs.
[19:02] <bigbash> nice
[19:02] <h00k> Are you doing VMware View, or Citrix XenDesktop?
[19:03] <bigbash> hmm not sure yet
[19:03] <h00k> Ah, okay
[19:03] <bigbash> I like view
[19:03] <h00k> I haven't used it yet :(
[19:03] <bigbash> what are you using?
[19:03] <h00k> We use both XenDesktop and XenApp
[19:03] <bigbash> ah
[19:03] <h00k> the school is using XenApp for terminal-server like sessions (windows 7)
[19:03] <bigbash> I like XenApp
[19:03] <h00k> published desktops
[19:04] <bigbash> Give em just what they need
[19:04] <bigbash> appwis
[19:04] <bigbash> appwise
[19:04] <h00k> and we have XenDesktop for our internal, demo, and a client on Oklahoma
[19:04] <h00k> Another school is being brought on, they'll be doing XenApp as well
[19:05] <bigbash> you are on vsphere 4 right?
[19:05] <h00k> currently, yeah :(
[19:05] <h00k> I want to play with 5!
[19:05] <h00k> I read the release notes/errata, we should be okay!
[19:05] <bigbash> i'm a little nervous about v5 licensing
[19:05] <h00k> Yeah, same here. I don't know what it'll do with us.
[19:06] <h00k> Although, I think we can get Academic licensing
[19:06] <h00k> because of the schools we're hosting
[19:06] <h00k> XenApp gives us way more density than running XenDesktops for a ton of people ;)
[19:07] <bigbash> according to the vendor they think that with 2 hosts 2proc ea and 72GB RAM in each
[19:08] <bigbash> we only need 1 license of vsphere5 Standard AK
[19:08] <h00k> Yeah, the standard, you get the three-host pack
[19:08] <bigbash> which looks like it doesn't have FT
[19:08] <h00k> which is good for up to 3 hosts, 2 procs each, and...196 gigs of ram, I think
[19:08] <h00k> Standard doesn't, but the ...
[19:08]  * h00k looks
[19:08] <h00k> I just quoted it out for a client yesterday
[19:09] <h00k> Essentials Plus
[19:09] <h00k> V5 ESSENTIALS PLUS KIT 3HOST MAX 2CPU PER HOST AND 192GB VRAM
[19:09] <bigbash> This is the licensing whitepaper I found for v5
[19:09] <bigbash> http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf
[19:09] <h00k> is the line item
[19:10] <h00k> Yeah, get one of the kits
[19:10] <h00k> the Essentials Plus Kit will give you HA and FT, if you need it, anyway.
[19:10] <bigbash> ok so we will max at 256GB if I read it correct right?
[19:10] <h00k> and inherently vMotion with the FT
[19:11] <h00k> bigbash: that's per-host
[19:11] <bigbash> really?!?!
[19:11] <bigbash> woohoo
[19:11] <bigbash> 256GB max/host physical?
[19:13] <h00k> hang on, I have to figure out vRAM again.
[19:13] <h00k> I figured it out once.
[19:14] <bigbash> ok
[19:15] <h00k> Yeah, pretty sure you're right
[19:15] <bigbash> I hope so
[19:15] <bigbash> don't wanna go back and ask for another huge chunk of money, and say oppps my bad
[19:17] <h00k> Right...
[19:17] <h00k> well, you should be able to talk directly to VMware and ask too, just to make sure
[19:17] <bigbash> yea
[19:18] <bigbash> vendor is supposed to call me at 3 with a vmware rep now
[19:18] <bigbash> that'll help clear things up
[19:18] <h00k> Cool.
[19:21] <bigbash> you have been a huge help
[19:21] <h00k> I don't even feel like I did anything!
[19:21] <h00k> but I'm here.
[19:22] <h00k> Also, on g-talk anthony.hook3@gmail.com anytime
[19:22] <bigbash> sounds good
[19:22] <bigbash> now to roll out linux desktops :)
[19:22] <h00k> ;)
[19:22] <h00k> Oh, is that the plan?!
[19:22] <h00k> That's even better
[19:23] <h00k> http://code.google.com/p/vmware-view-open-client/ etc
[19:23] <bigbash> sweet
[19:25] <h00k> bigbash: are you doing linux desktops?
[19:25] <bigbash> i'd like to but the software they use at the counters are win only
[19:26] <bigbash> my stuff on the other hand
[19:26] <bigbash> i can
[19:29] <h00k> Ah, okay.
[19:29] <h00k> I ask because...
[19:29] <h00k> I forget why.
[19:30] <bigbash> I can also get my desktop via my TP
[19:30] <bigbash> :)
[19:31] <h00k> :)
[22:16] <bigbash> h00k, so final decision is 3 hosts 2x X5650 with 144GB RAM/ea
[22:55] <h00k> bigbash: :D