| ScottL | astraljava, i wanted to ask you what you which task you are focusing on and let you know that falktx is looking at the ubiquity plugin | 00:20 |
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| falktx__ | it's all still a bit confusing to me, I'm not sure where I should look at... | 00:28 |
| ScottL | falktx__, did you look at the blueprint and the notes in there? | 01:30 |
| falktx__ | yes | 01:34 |
| falktx__ | don't we already have the basic live-dvd seeds? | 01:36 |
| ScottL | aye, we just need to adjust the ubiquity plugin to match our seeds is my understanding | 01:36 |
| ScottL | falktx__, but stephane would be a good person to talk to as well | 01:36 |
| falktx__ | ScottL: do we have a timeline for this? | 01:45 |
| ScottL | falktx__, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/edubuntu-live/precise/files/head:/livecd/ubiquity/ | 01:46 |
| ScottL | falktx__, hopefull before March 1st - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Roadmap | 01:47 |
| falktx__ | ScottL: I'll postpone it to tomorrow morning again | 01:50 |
| falktx__ | today when I woke up it was already 1pm... | 01:51 |
| ScottL | lol :) | 01:51 |
| falktx__ | hm, the original theme on gtk3 would be cool... | 01:54 |
| ScottL | yeah i saw that | 02:04 |
| ScottL | how will that work wiht xfce? | 02:05 |
| len | ScottL: Forgot to mention this last night. The live DVD install does not ask if jackd should be installed with realtime priv. | 03:14 |
| len | The live DVD installs everything. This is why it failed to build with the ffmpeg-extra libs. Once the ability to only install certain workflows is added, the ISO will build. | 03:17 |
| len | Just like the alt did, but install may fail in the same way too. | 03:17 |
| ScottL | len, a few things to mention | 04:00 |
| len | ScottL ok | 04:01 |
| ScottL | len, i was going to do the multi-head documentation so it's a little more formalized (although i haven't read your link currently) | 04:01 |
| ScottL | noting the testing was done for two use cases | 04:01 |
| ScottL | these are the steps used to make it work for both | 04:01 |
| ScottL | and these are the packages we tried and these are why they weren't chosen | 04:01 |
| ScottL | those type of things | 04:02 |
| ScottL | len, i don't have to do them, if you want to that would be great as well | 04:02 |
| len | I tried to do a and b, but not really c | 04:02 |
| ScottL | but i just want something that users can use but also documents our experience so we don't have to relive this later on | 04:02 |
| ScottL | len, there are other things that i wanted to tell you today but i can't remember now that i'm tired :P | 04:03 |
| len | If its easier send email | 04:03 |
| ScottL | len, i can do that :) | 04:03 |
| ScottL | also, don't forget to look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Roadmap and commit for something if you can | 04:03 |
| ScottL | otherwise i'll end up doing it all myself | 04:03 |
| len | I know you must be a few hours ahead of me | 04:04 |
| ScottL | it's 22:03 here | 04:04 |
| len | 2 hours then | 04:04 |
| ScottL | i found the reprio.conf thingie earlier | 04:06 |
| ScottL | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/ubuntustudio-meta/precise/revision/73 | 04:08 |
| ScottL | this is where it was added, and it was quite a while ago | 04:08 |
| ScottL | oct 2010 | 04:09 |
| len | I think the whole jack permissions thing is being thought about from what I have seen. | 04:09 |
| ScottL | yeah, it should be | 04:10 |
| ScottL | but for precise we should still fix what we can so it's clean | 04:10 |
| ScottL | i think the ubuntustudio-meta (or ubuntustudio-audio within -meta) shouldn't add the other file if jackd is providing what it does | 04:10 |
| len | I was wondering though, on the live DVD install if jack is installed with rt permission or not | 04:10 |
| ScottL | len, i'm guessing that the live user doesn't have permissions via the audio group | 04:11 |
| ScottL | i'm surprised that the installed OS doesn't have -rt permissions though | 04:11 |
| ScottL | len, i'm going to test this weekend as well, make a good list, ask others for what they noticed, and then hit up cjwatson about fixing some of it | 04:11 |
| len | On alt I get asked if I want rt, but not with live. A problem with ubiquity? | 04:12 |
| ScottL | possibly, but i'm not sure about any of that stuff | 04:12 |
| ScottL | i know crap about ubiquity, to be honest | 04:12 |
| len | ubiquity man page is pretty sparse | 04:12 |
| ScottL | i think ubiquity has been called a black box a few times or voodoo or similar | 04:13 |
| len | I figured out more looking at its files | 04:13 |
| len | I could probably change the slideshow... though not the way it was intended to be changed ;-) | 04:14 |
| len | But the black box comment fits. | 04:14 |
| len | ScottL: Gotta go do my sons meds. Ill look for the email. | 04:15 |
| ScottL | len, thanks :) | 04:16 |
| ScottL | len, check out the guidelines as swell for the slideshow | 04:16 |
| ailo | ScottL: len: What happened to me, installing US from the live environment was that the user did not end up in audio group, the jack file /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf was installed, but renamed. There was no additional US file from the ubuntustudio-audio package | 04:23 |
| ailo | The renamed jack file became /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf.disabled | 04:24 |
| ailo | So, no rt priv for user | 04:24 |
| len | ailo: Normally at jack install we are asked if we want rt priv. but not with live install. | 04:26 |
| ailo | len: True. The installation proceeds as if we have answered yes | 04:27 |
| ailo | Whereafter the file that is installed as a consequence to answering yes is overrided | 04:27 |
| ailo | When jack asks if we want rt priv, it doesn't actually provide it. It just installs the file that gives rt priv to audio group | 04:28 |
| ailo | Namely /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf | 04:28 |
| ailo | I suspect installing the old way (not from the live environment) will put user to audio group | 04:30 |
| ailo | If it is the same as it used to be. I realize things have changed a lot since gnome2 install | 04:31 |
| ailo | Since it does affect security, I suppose it's bad not getting the question. Perhaps ubiquity is not designed to do this? | 04:43 |
| len | ailo: ubiquity docs seem to be pretty sparse | 04:48 |
| ScottL | i'm planning on poking cjwatson about this after this weekend to see what else needs addressing | 04:52 |
| ScottL | it would appear that only the 64 bit version of ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme is being built currently | 04:57 |
| ScottL | but maybe i'm wrong :/ | 04:58 |
| ScottL | sorry, it appears that only a 32 bit version is being built | 04:58 |
| ScottL | is anyone running a 32 bit version of 12.04 currently? could be ubuntu or xubuntu or *buntu 12.04 | 04:58 |
| micahg | ScottL: are there binary components in that package? | 04:59 |
| ScottL | micahg, do you mean does it generate a .deb file? | 04:59 |
| micahg | no | 05:00 |
| ScottL | oh, you mean like an image? | 05:00 |
| micahg | I mean is there anything compiled in the package? right now, it's arch: all | 05:00 |
| ScottL | this is where i'm looking: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme/0.2 | 05:00 |
| micahg | yes, but what's insid | 05:00 |
| micahg | e | 05:00 |
| ScottL | it looks like 0.1 was never pushed to repos and 0.2 appears to only be i386 | 05:01 |
| micahg | it's an arch all package (which means architecture independent) | 05:01 |
| ScottL | micahg, i'm not sure to be honest, i'll poke around | 05:01 |
| ScottL | micahg, doesn't look like it | 05:02 |
| micahg | ScottL: it's just conf files, it's fine | 05:03 |
| ScottL | just /user and /etc and /debian directories | 05:03 |
| ScottL | and conf files unde the first two | 05:03 |
| ScottL | oh, you typed that too | 05:03 |
| ScottL | sorry, getting a bit tired | 05:03 |
| ScottL | but, micahg , if i type 'apt-cache search ubuntustudio-*' i don't get the -lightdm-theme package | 05:04 |
| ScottL | i'm on 64 bit install | 05:04 |
| ScottL | synaptic can't find it either | 05:04 |
| micahg | I see it... | 05:04 |
| micahg | is your mirror up to date? | 05:04 |
| ScottL | i 'refreshed' in synaptic | 05:04 |
| micahg | are you on precise? | 05:04 |
| ScottL | but i'll do a sudo apt-get upgrade | 05:04 |
| ScottL | errr update | 05:05 |
| micahg | it was built almost 3 months ago | 05:05 |
| ScottL | errrrr, no | 05:05 |
| ScottL | micahg, i'm an idiot, sorry | 05:05 |
| ScottL | i'm using oneirc right now on this laptop | 05:05 |
| micahg | right, it's precise only | 05:05 |
| ScottL | yeah, i see my logic now | 05:06 |
| ScottL | i had thought it had been built for oneiric originally | 05:06 |
| ScottL | i thought it had been included in the 11.10 ISO actually | 05:06 |
| micahg | nope, it was supposed to be, but didn't get sponsored IIRC | 05:07 |
| ScottL | as i poked around seeing if rev 2 had been uploaded or not (which would cause the background to not work as it looked) i noticed it wasn't there | 05:07 |
| ScottL | yeah, that makes sense | 05:07 |
| ScottL | i'm going to install the precise live-dvd by this weekend and look at it | 05:08 |
| ScottL | i suppose i could always get the source and build local to see it as well, but i can wait...plus it might not even build properly | 05:08 |
| ScottL | me being on oneiric | 05:09 |
| ScottL | okay, it's quite a bit past my bedtime, good night | 05:09 |
| micahg | ScottL: you can just grab the deb from LP, nothing is really built, so it should work on oneiric as well | 05:09 |
| ailo | ScottL: GN Scott | 05:09 |
| ailo | We work in shifts | 05:10 |
| ailo | I just woke | 05:10 |
| ScottL | micahg, oh, i see your point about binaries now, i think | 05:10 |
| ailo | ..up | 05:10 |
| micahg | yes, the word is overloaded :) | 05:10 |
| micahg | I was referring to binary vs text as opposed to binary vs source | 05:10 |
| ScottL | i guess i've always viewed .deb files as binaries, but i can see that that isn't the case | 05:11 |
| micahg | no, they are :) | 05:11 |
| micahg | they're binary packages | 05:11 |
| ScottL | oh, okay...i'll think more on this on the morrow ;) | 05:12 |
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| astraljava | ScottL: Sorry, had fallen asleep already. I don't know, really. I see a lot of tasks have been taken care of, already (thanks guys! You're doing an awesome job!) | 11:09 |
| astraljava | ScottL: Maybe we need to have a little discussion on what's most important at the moment, what's been done, and what's essential before the Alpha-2. | 11:10 |
| astraljava | ScottL: Informal meeting this Sunday? | 11:10 |
| ScottL | astraljava, the roadmap shows what i think is important at this point https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Roadmap | 13:02 |
| ScottL | and it's broken out by milestone | 13:03 |
| ScottL | i just want to make sure we are addressing all items remaining, items are prioritized correctly, and we are working effectively across those items | 13:03 |
| ScottL | astraljava, i will absolutely be at a meeting this sunday | 13:05 |
| ScottL | in about 4.5 hours i will be at my desk for 2 hours (all day meeting except for 2 hours during lunch) | 13:05 |
| ScottL | we can talk more about work items during that time if you want | 13:06 |
| ScottL | you seem to have vocally committed to many things, which is why i asked falktx to look at the ubiquity plugin since it's a pretty important piece of work currently | 13:06 |
| ScottL | if you really want it and will focus on it, then great, we'll get falktx to do something else...because there is plent else to do | 13:06 |
| scott-work | micahg: i am thinking clearer now | 14:05 |
| astraljava | ScottL: Yeah, that would be good. So that's around 1730 UTC, right? | 14:05 |
| scott-work | i know that .deb files are binaries, i can't just open a text file and read them | 14:05 |
| scott-work | astraljava: i don't remember the time we usually do them but i will be there | 14:06 |
| scott-work | micahg: and i understand the differentiation you meant on about binaries now, binary vs. text and binary vs source | 14:06 |
| scott-work | we we're obviously dealing with source, but within the source we were also only dealing with text within the -lightdm-theme package | 14:07 |
| quadrispro | hi guys, I'm sorry to not have much time to spend here having fun with you :) I'm here just to inform you that I've sync'd mudita24 for Precise | 14:09 |
| astraljava | scott-work: .deb files are practically just containers. You can extract them with `dpkg -x <filename>.deb` | 14:15 |
| astraljava | Well, there's not much point to test the package then, as it's already there. :) Gotta love the guy. Too bad he had to leave. | 14:17 |
| ailo | Groups, security.. there's no such thing as a perfect system. There's just what you want to achieve and trying to find an energy efficient way to do that | 14:42 |
| ailo | Or should I say, a fun way to do things | 14:43 |
| holstein | i like how falk did it with KX | 14:43 |
| holstein | it was a bit clunky, though functional, and totally fixed this at install | 14:44 |
| ailo | holstein: What bothered me the most was that the desktop was slow | 14:46 |
| holstein | ailo: live? | 14:46 |
| holstein | it wont be fast | 14:46 |
| ailo | Well, it was heavy on the graphics | 14:46 |
| ailo | Other than that, it was cool | 14:47 |
| holstein | i find it similar to the normal live CD's | 14:49 |
| holstein | i should say i havent actually loaded ours up, but thte 64studio one, the new dynebolic, the others too... | 14:49 |
| ailo | holstein: I don't think it was only the live CD | 14:49 |
| ailo | I mean, loading applications is slow on live CD's, not running them | 14:50 |
| ailo | And the graphics should not be slow | 14:50 |
| holstein | interesting | 14:50 |
| ailo | Especially on a multimedia system | 14:50 |
| holstein | i was hoping XFCE would help us a bit | 14:50 |
| ailo | The US live DVD was slow for me, but there was some bug having to do with dbus | 14:50 |
| ailo | I get it sometimes with my normal Precise install as well | 14:51 |
| ailo | The US live DVD was using up a lot of CPU | 14:51 |
| holstein | maybe its kernel+your hardware related? | 14:51 |
| ailo | Don't think it will later on | 14:51 |
| ailo | Nope, it's a bug | 14:51 |
| astraljava | ailo: Have you looked through all the normal logs, ie. .xsession-errors, /var/log/syslog and the likes? | 15:03 |
| ailo | astraljava: I haven't had time to test it anymore than that. I'll try again at a later stage | 15:04 |
| astraljava | ailo: Yeah ok. No rush. I'll try to give it a spin too one of these days. | 15:04 |
| scott-work | astraljava: i plan to give the live-dvd a workout this weekend, can you help me with what to look for in the logs? | 15:47 |
| scott-work | i want to go to cjwatson early next week with a comprehensive list of things we would like addressed wiht the live-dvd | 15:47 |
| astraljava | scott-work: Yeah, I'm planning to do that, too, maybe tomorrow or at least over the weekend. | 15:51 |
| quadrispro | hi again guys | 16:09 |
| quadrispro | ScottL, are you around? | 16:10 |
| quadrispro | scott-work, ehy, maybe this is the right nickname to ping :) | 16:10 |
| astraljava | Hey Alessio. And thanks again for your excellent work on mudita24! | 16:10 |
| quadrispro | astraljava, thank you! :) I need an ACK from UbuntuStudio's devs to going ahead with bug #922036 | 16:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 922036 in glame (Ubuntu) "Audiofile 0.3.x transition" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/922036 | 16:13 |
| astraljava | I'll have a look. | 16:13 |
| astraljava | quadrispro: hydrogen is being directly seeded. Do you want us (US) to rebuild and test before proceeding with this? | 16:17 |
| quadrispro | astraljava, I tried to rebuild it on (and Ubuntu ships the same version of) Debian before starting the transition for Wheezy | 16:19 |
| quadrispro | and that's the result | 16:19 |
| quadrispro | http://debomatic64.debian.net/audiofile/hydrogen.log | 16:19 |
| quadrispro | so, there would be no pain | 16:20 |
| quadrispro | astraljava, would hydrogen be the only package seeded? | 16:20 |
| astraljava | quadrispro: I will have to go through the list carefully, but that's the first thing I noticed. | 16:21 |
| astraljava | quadrispro: Can I get a list of affected packages in text format somehow from LP? | 16:22 |
| astraljava | quadrispro: I mean apart from c&p'ing. :) | 16:22 |
| astraljava | quadrispro: Well at least it's now easier to c&p from the bugmail. :) | 16:28 |
| astraljava | quadrispro: Yes, hydrogen is the only one directly seeded. I suppose the dependencies should be checked too, though? | 16:33 |
| quadrispro | which deps? | 16:37 |
| astraljava | quadrispro: Deps for the seeded apps? | 16:43 |
| quadrispro | astraljava, everything should be OK | 16:45 |
| quadrispro | astraljava, if you want, you could check twice with apt-rdepends | 16:45 |
| quadrispro | astraljava, remember to use --reverse, point your attention to the libaudiofile0, that is the binary which will change name | 16:46 |
| micahg | I can give you a pastebin of the reverse deps if you like | 16:47 |
| astraljava | micahg: That'd be awesome, thanks! | 16:49 |
| micahg | hmm...pastebinit is broke, one sec | 16:51 |
| astraljava | No rush. | 16:52 |
| micahg | nope, Ubuntu pastebin is broke, http://paste.debian.net/153724/ | 16:53 |
| micahg | FYI, there's also a reverse-depends tool in ubuntu-dev-tools now | 16:55 |
| astraljava | Oh cool, will look into that one. Thanks, micahg! | 16:57 |
| scott-work | quadrispro: i am here (but will need to run itno a meeting again soon) | 16:59 |
| astraljava | micahg: quadrispro: Have I understood it correctly, though, that I should cross-reference that list with ~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntustudio.precise/audio-common.depends too? | 17:00 |
| * scott-work is reading backscroll now between alessio and janne | 17:00 | |
| scott-work | looks like astraljava is already handling this :) thanks janne | 17:02 |
| astraljava | scott-work: I'm on it. That doesn't mean it'll be sorted, though. *grin* | 17:02 |
| scott-work | lol :) | 17:03 |
| scott-work | but at least you can help suss out what is going on currently | 17:03 |
| micahg | astraljava: I can do better for you :) | 17:03 |
| astraljava | micahg: Oh? Do tell. | 17:03 |
| quadrispro | ehy micahg, how are you? | 17:04 |
| quadrispro | scott-work, yes, you have understood correctly :) | 17:04 |
| micahg | hi quadrispro :) | 17:05 |
| micahg | astraljava: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntustudio.precise/rdepends/ALL/libaudiofile0 | 17:05 |
| micahg | quadrispro: I'm good | 17:05 |
| micahg | and you? | 17:05 |
| micahg | astraljava: as cjwatson keeps telling us, let's not reinvent germinate :) | 17:06 |
| astraljava | micahg: Did you have something to do with the libav*-extra* packages? The image failed to build because of those. | 17:06 |
| astraljava | micahg: Excellent! | 17:07 |
| micahg | astraljava: yes, today's image should be fine | 17:07 |
| micahg | as in the one being generated in an hour | 17:07 |
| astraljava | micahg: Ahh... sorry, I confused the date. | 17:07 |
| astraljava | micahg: And thanks for the lesson-of-the-day, great learning experience. :) | 17:07 |
| quadrispro | good, back home just yesterday from Germany, I stayed there with my girlfriend to breathe a bit of European air and now, after a week-off, I've so many things to deal with | 17:08 |
| micahg | I was waiting for siretart to upload libav-extra to Debian, but it never happened, I finally poked him yesterday and he did it | 17:08 |
| astraljava | Good, good. | 17:08 |
| micahg | quadrispro: aren't you based in Europe? (Italy) | 17:08 |
| quadrispro | micahg, yes in Italy, but our air is not so European :) | 17:09 |
| quadrispro | guys, please give me a feedback on the report and I'll sync the package | 17:09 |
| micahg | heh, it should be cleaner being surrounded by the Mediterranean | 17:09 |
| astraljava | quadrispro: xjadeo in video seed matches | 17:11 |
| astraljava | quadrispro: Also, gimp-gap in graphics. | 17:12 |
| astraljava | But that's it. | 17:12 |
| falktx | scott-work: I don't think I have permissions to create new US branches (only to edit them). can you create one for ubiquity, similar to edubuntu? (or maybe just copy everything over) | 17:18 |
| quadrispro | astraljava, xjadeo? it doesn't seems so, at least doesn't have a direct dep on libaudiofile0 | 17:19 |
| astraljava | falktx: You are in the team, though, so you should be able to. | 17:19 |
| falktx | not sure, last time I tried it failed | 17:20 |
| astraljava | quadrispro: Not direct, no. Am I reading the link micahg posted wrong, then? | 17:20 |
| quadrispro | astraljava, gimp-gap, the same, it seems to not match :/ | 17:20 |
| astraljava | falktx: Please pastebin the output, if you have problems still. | 17:20 |
| astraljava | quadrispro: mplayer -> mencoder -> xjadeo, which is in video seed. Does that not count? | 17:22 |
| quadrispro | no, because the shlib will change (libaudiofile0 -> libaudiofile1), if a package doesn't have a direct dep on libaudiofile0 it won't be touched | 17:23 |
| astraljava | quadrispro: Ahh... ok then. Yeah, if that's the case, then hydrogen is the only one. | 17:23 |
| quadrispro | ok | 17:24 |
| holstein | D00Ds! | 17:50 |
| holstein | the live CD is *nice* | 17:50 |
| holstein | the little loading screen thing is *so* cool | 17:51 |
| holstein | who made that? | 17:51 |
| holstein | the ubuntustudio - linux for creative humans graphic? | 17:51 |
| holstein | w0w... right out of the box! | 17:54 |
| holstein | JACK starts... no fuss | 17:54 |
| holstein | just internal hardware on a laptop right now, but that is impressive! | 17:55 |
| ailo | holstein: No realtime though | 17:55 |
| holstein | ailo: right... but still! | 17:55 |
| holstein | w00t! | 17:55 |
| ailo | It's great to finally have it | 17:55 |
| ailo | I mean the live DVD | 17:55 |
| holstein | and have it lookins so polished already | 17:55 |
| holstein | ailo: you know how the xrun counter is there? | 17:56 |
| holstein | what is the other #? | 17:56 |
| holstein | its like "3 (33)" or whatever | 17:57 |
| holstein | i know 3 is xruns.. what is 33 again? | 17:57 |
| ailo | holstein: Isn't it 33 xruns, and three something else? | 17:57 |
| ailo | Check the messages | 17:57 |
| holstein | even at this stage, live, and on internal hardware, with generic kernel and no RT, im getting "0 (1)" | 17:57 |
| holstein | ailo: yeah... looks like that is the case | 17:58 |
| holstein | XRUN callback (1) | 17:58 |
| holstein | i have "cannont lock down memory erea" | 17:58 |
| holstein | i could literally throw something right now im so excited about it! | 17:59 |
| holstein | that loading screen is very nice | 17:59 |
| holstein | scott-work: was that yours? | 17:59 |
| ailo | holstein: I believe ScottL made that for Oneiric | 17:59 |
| ailo | It's been around for some while, but it would either not work or flash by too quickly to be seen. It's nice to have it on the live DVD | 18:00 |
| holstein | OH snap! | 18:00 |
| holstein | pulse audio jack sink running out of the box! | 18:00 |
| holstein | very nice! | 18:00 |
| ailo | holstein: Do you get sound? | 18:00 |
| ailo | I didn't from the pulse sink | 18:00 |
| holstein | i get yoshimi | 18:01 |
| holstein | lemme try something via pulse | 18:01 |
| ailo | holstein: Make sure it's not muted or something | 18:02 |
| holstein | ailo: im finding the live UI very responsive | 18:02 |
| ailo | holstein: Whatever is loaded into ram will be very responsive | 18:02 |
| ailo | holstein: When you load a program, it'll take some time. First time you open the main menu, it takes a bit of time | 18:03 |
| ailo | But, running programs is not slower at all | 18:03 |
| ailo | Once it's in RAM, it's just like normal | 18:03 |
| holstein | yup.. i think its a little faster with XFCE though | 18:04 |
| holstein | this is a fastish machine that im not used as well... | 18:05 |
| ailo | holstein: It's not faster than gnome3 | 18:06 |
| holstein | i havent tried gnome3 live yet | 18:08 |
| holstein | yeah, no pulse via JACK for me out of the box | 18:08 |
| holstein | still!... im stoked | 18:08 |
| ailo | holstein: The point is this. Nothing is fast until it's loaded into RAM. Programs, menus, you name it | 18:09 |
| holstein | a wallpaper and a theme, and we are good UI-wise | 18:09 |
| holstein | yeah, i get that... i just think loading from CD seems faster | 18:09 |
| holstein | in XFCE, than what im used to... but it could be this box | 18:09 |
| holstein | or that im just so damn excited about it :) | 18:10 |
| ailo | holstein: Don't think the box should matter too much. Did you burn a DVD, or is it from usb stick? | 18:10 |
| holstein | DVD | 18:10 |
| ailo | holstein: Than maybe the DVD player reads faster than another machine you have | 18:10 |
| holstein | i wanted to go for what i thought would be slowest | 18:10 |
| scott-work | falktx_: i will see what i can do about the bzr branch, can you make a personal one under you launchpad account for now? | 18:11 |
| scott-work | holstein: i made the plymouth theme from what cory brought to me | 18:11 |
| holstein | scott-work: that is *too* bad man! | 18:11 |
| holstein | it really sets the tone, i think | 18:12 |
| ailo | holstein: Also, I wouldn't compare with Unity for example until it's final release. And, it would also depend on how many services are started | 18:12 |
| scott-work | i'm glad you are excited about this holstein, it makes me feel excited as well :) | 18:16 |
| holstein | scott-work: im installing.. and its not curses!.. not that there anything wrong with that | 18:16 |
| holstein | this installer slideshow is not a dealbreaker for me | 18:20 |
| holstein | maybe we can just chill it out a bit | 18:20 |
| holstein | just use thoes slides we already have on the site | 18:20 |
| holstein | that would give us some consistency | 18:21 |
| holstein | and thats something that is in theory already done, and easy to just bring over | 18:21 |
| holstein | i joined ubuntu-installer.. ill poke around a bit about it | 18:23 |
| holstein | if its that eays, why not... | 18:23 |
| holstein | easy* | 18:23 |
| holstein | one thing to check off the long-ish list | 18:23 |
| holstein | MAN.. id like to just have that loading graphic there! :) | 18:24 |
| holstein | 13:24 < cjwatson> the ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu source package has slideshows for several flavours of Ubuntu, and builds ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu, ubiquity-slideshow-xubuntu, ... binary packages | 18:25 |
| holstein | 13:24 < cjwatson> so it would probably be best to make a branch of lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu and add ubuntustudio bits to it | 18:25 |
| holstein | scott-work: is that something we can do? | 18:28 |
| holstein | we meaning you ;) | 18:28 |
| holstein | or should i try and get a helper over there? | 18:28 |
| astraljava | holstein: Are you a member of ~ubuntustudio-dev? If so, then yes, you can, too. | 18:31 |
| scott-work | holstein: yes it is, it's on the roadmap already | 18:31 |
| scott-work | holstein: also, the guildelines are already linked as well as the code in the roadmap | 18:31 |
| scott-work | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Roadmap | 18:32 |
| scott-work | i will ask everyone again to look at the roadmap | 18:32 |
| holstein | i remember having seen it there | 18:32 |
| scott-work | * please make sure all items needed for precise are there | 18:32 |
| scott-work | * please make sure you think items are in the right milestone | 18:32 |
| scott-work | * please sign up for stuff so we can cover any holes | 18:32 |
| scott-work | thank you | 18:32 |
| scott-work | i have also tried to link the relevant blueprint or otherwise required information there | 18:33 |
| holstein | my install is not booting :/ | 18:33 |
| holstein | drag... | 18:33 |
| holstein | i could likely take that on then | 18:34 |
| holstein | assuming i can use the site graphics | 18:34 |
| knome | i'm going to update the xubuntu slideshow too, so i might as well work on the studio slideshow | 18:34 |
| knome | as long as somebody gives me the content on time | 18:34 |
| knome | holstein, if you want it though, feel free to take the item :) | 18:35 |
| scott-work | knome: that would be incredibly helpful, maybe holstein can help you though | 18:35 |
| scott-work | 18:35 | |
| holstein | knome: COOL | 18:35 |
| holstein | nah... dont wait on me | 18:35 |
| scott-work | keep in mind about teh roadmap... | 18:35 |
| knome | i'm not sure how much there is to "help" | 18:35 |
| holstein | i have to learn how to do it | 18:35 |
| scott-work | we can always do things early :P | 18:35 |
| knome | i mean, it's quite simple, the slideshow stuff | 18:35 |
| knome | you basically just drop in stuff | 18:35 |
| holstein | scott-work: im going more on what i can do, rather than the timeline for the moment | 18:36 |
| scott-work | holstein: i bet if you can help knome define the content, he can make it happen code wise | 18:36 |
| knome | yup. | 18:36 |
| scott-work | although there isn't much code stuff really, considering we should be coyping and pasting a lot of it | 18:36 |
| knome | just get me the content (as with the website), and i'll handle it | 18:36 |
| knome | i even have push rights for the slideshow branch, so that's not a problem either | 18:36 |
| holstein | knome: im in.. | 18:36 |
| holstein | maybe i can fake our look and feel? | 18:37 |
| holstein | get some screenies going | 18:37 |
| knome | your choice :) | 18:37 |
| holstein | the website is just easy, thats all | 18:37 |
| holstein | knome: when are you doing xubuntu? | 18:37 |
| knome | no idea yet | 18:37 |
| knome | but doesn't need to happen at the same time | 18:37 |
| holstein | knome: cool | 18:38 |
| knome | we're mostly updating the text and switching one or two shots | 18:38 |
| holstein | wonder if i can update the menu... | 18:38 |
| knome | if there is a bug or work item that can be assigned to me, it would help :) | 18:38 |
| knome | which menu? the website? | 18:38 |
| holstein | im assuming the XFCE menu for US | 18:38 |
| knome | ah | 18:39 |
| knome | probably, that's not too hard either | 18:39 |
| holstein | though i dont mind whats there | 18:39 |
| knome | scott-work, ? | 18:41 |
| scott-work | holstein: the menu is meant to be the ubuntu studio menu since we moved to xfce | 18:42 |
| scott-work | i don't believe it will be showing the audio production menu properly | 18:42 |
| holstein | its not bad | 18:42 |
| scott-work | i think all the multimedia stuff will all be under multimedia | 18:42 |
| scott-work | a lot shouldn't be but should be under audio prodcution | 18:42 |
| holstein | yup.. audio production is under multimedia | 18:42 |
| scott-work | i think only the "desktop" type apps should be under multimedia | 18:42 |
| holstein | eh.. i could go either way | 18:43 |
| scott-work | "desktop" meaning totem, audacious, etc | 18:43 |
| holstein | it used to be similar to this | 18:43 |
| holstein | just under "audio" or whatever it was | 18:43 |
| knome | scott-work, when do you think you would have time for the website stuff? i think we should get in contact with the IS soon again to get the site to staging | 18:43 |
| knome | scott-work, also, would you please create me a work item in the appropriate blueprint for the slideshow. thanks! :) | 18:43 |
| scott-work | knome: can we say withint two weeks? is that too long for you? i mean to be "done" with my part | 18:43 |
| knome | well, there's only some decisions really | 18:44 |
| scott-work | knome: i can do that re: blueprint | 18:44 |
| knome | what to do with the "featured area" | 18:44 |
| knome | should it progress automatically? etc. | 18:44 |
| knome | and if there is something else you want dramatically changed, now is a good time | 18:44 |
| knome | because any changes will start dragging once we go staging | 18:44 |
| holstein | lemme see if dist-upgrade gives me whatever x needs to start.. | 18:45 |
| holstein | im going to boot the live CD on my main rig.. see what its like with firewire | 18:48 |
| ailo | holstein: Great | 18:48 |
| ailo | holstein: Great time to see about that firewire - audio group thing | 18:49 |
| holstein | yup.. the video group or whatever | 18:49 |
| ailo | holstein: No, it's audio group | 18:49 |
| ailo | holstein: The udev file, remember | 18:49 |
| holstein | eh... we'll see | 18:49 |
| holstein | its been 10.04 since ive really done more that randomly test it | 18:50 |
| ailo | holstein: Since 10.10 there's a file /lib/udev/rules.d/60-ffado.rules which grants rights to specific ffado devices | 18:51 |
| holstein | w0w | 18:52 |
| holstein | arandr just worked like a charm! | 18:52 |
| ailo | holstein: In your case it's this line.. | 18:52 |
| ailo | ATTR{vendor}=="0x000a92", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_FFADO}="1" # Presonus Corporation | 18:52 |
| holstein | i got dual head just the way i wanted it in like 2 minutes! | 18:52 |
| ailo | If I remember correctly you can't use firewire without being a member of audio group | 18:54 |
| ailo | Never mind realtime | 18:54 |
| holstein | scott-work: yeah.. audio and video production are under "multimedia" | 18:54 |
| holstein | they get sub-menus like before in gnome | 18:54 |
| holstein | ailo: this drive is reading noticably slower | 18:55 |
| holstein | ok.. out of the box again with the internal sound device | 18:56 |
| holstein | nah.. i havnet troubleshooted much, but gksudo qjackctl can start my firewire device | 18:59 |
| holstein | and of course.. no JACK sink on there ;) | 18:59 |
| ailo | holstein: Try jack with firewire, no realtime please | 19:00 |
| holstein | ailo: anything else i should check from the "big-rig" ? | 19:00 |
| ailo | And as user, not root | 19:00 |
| holstein | cool | 19:01 |
| holstein | as normal user, with the realtime box un-ticked.. all is well | 19:01 |
| holstein | so, that might get taken care of with the kernel | 19:01 |
| holstein | also, JACK sink is there now as normal user, which makes sense | 19:01 |
| ailo | I have no idea, but then it seems user does not need to be a member of audio group to use firewire | 19:01 |
| ailo | Which is great news | 19:02 |
| holstein | ailo: agreed.. its not the big permissions issue we were concerned about | 19:02 |
| holstein | im getting a shutdown error... but i think thats OK for where we are | 19:02 |
| ailo | YEa | 19:03 |
| holstein | this is a new stack, and new JACK.. im sure i would need to trouble shoot a bit for my particular hardware | 19:03 |
| ailo | holstein: Nah, I think you're ok | 19:03 |
| holstein | still... exciting! | 19:03 |
| holstein | this is an odd nvidia card too | 19:04 |
| ailo | holstein: Do you have a spare partition, or another machine you can use to test firewire? | 19:05 |
| ailo | I should probably just get mine home, so I can try one more thing | 19:05 |
| holstein | ailo: yup | 19:05 |
| holstein | ill do a proper install there ASAP | 19:05 |
| ailo | Alright | 19:05 |
| holstein | OR just on my main rig | 19:05 |
| ailo | I was pretty happy using Oneiric with the -lowlatency and my focusrite device | 19:06 |
| ailo | 64 f/p, and not a single xrun to date | 19:06 |
| holstein | this laptop was a candidate for that though, and its black-screening | 19:06 |
| holstein | ailo: wow... thats great | 19:06 |
| holstein | i get TTY's... so its not a panic | 19:07 |
| holstein | i'll just let it set here for a while | 19:07 |
| scott-work | holstein: but the audio production menu didn't used to be under multimedia though | 19:15 |
| scott-work | it used to be under it's own menu item, not as a sub menu | 19:15 |
| scott-work | i'll probably isntall an older version of ubuntu studio and take some screen shots as an example of what we used to have | 19:15 |
| scott-work | okay, knome, i'll try to make a really good push this weekend then on the website | 19:16 |
| scott-work | holstein, are you okay with knome having the work item in the blueprint? | 19:38 |
| scott-work | it needs to be done and this will make him responsible for it but dependent on your input however | 19:38 |
| knome | scott-work, thanks :) | 20:09 |
| scott-work | falktx_: are you around? | 20:29 |
| scott-work | err, ping! | 20:29 |
| scott-work | falktx_: i realized now that you don't need to create a new bzr branch, you will be creating the /plugin directory inside the live-dvd (or whatever i linked earlier) seed in the existing seed branch | 20:49 |
| holstein | scott-work: yeah, sure... im with you! | 21:16 |
| falktx_ | scott-work: probably, sorry I've just been so busy lately... | 21:18 |
| falktx_ | hm, now he quits | 21:22 |
| holstein | hehe | 21:23 |
| len | holstein: cd /usr/share/xgreeters | 21:48 |
| len | make a link from the file there to default.desktop | 21:48 |
| len | This is a known problem... | 21:48 |
| holstein | len: my install failed :/ | 21:55 |
| ailo | bad DVD? | 21:56 |
| ailo | holstein: ? | 21:56 |
| ailo | Try usb stick instead | 21:56 |
| holstein | ailo: i dont think so... anything is possible though | 21:56 |
| ailo | I don't trust DVD for nothing | 21:56 |
| ailo | I can hardly install anything from a DVD | 21:56 |
| ailo | If I burnt it myself | 21:57 |
| holstein | when i reboot in the recovery console, and run startx, i get a "no gnome session" error | 21:57 |
| holstein | i just barely had time to troubleshoot it though | 21:57 |
| ailo | Oh, so the install worked, but the system is broken? | 21:57 |
| ailo | I mean, the install finished | 21:57 |
| holstein | ailo: yeah | 21:58 |
| holstein | and i tty'd and upgraded | 21:58 |
| ailo | I downloaded mine yesterdayt | 21:58 |
| ailo | Could be a temporary problem | 21:58 |
| holstein | at this point, you never know what is not supported | 21:58 |
| holstein | and it can be me | 21:58 |
| ailo | Past my bedtime. Got loads of stuff to do this coming week :P | 21:59 |
| ailo | GN guys | 21:59 |
| holstein | ailo: o/ | 22:00 |
| len | holstein: have you looked to see if there is a /usr/share/xgreeters/default.desktop file or link? | 22:12 |
| len | If it is missing there will be no X session | 22:12 |
| len | I have had this issue for about a week or two now.... including the live dvd | 22:13 |
| astraljava | len: I think it's time to file a bug about it, unless there is one already. | 22:13 |
| len | I should say live DVD install. The live DVD part is fine | 22:13 |
| len | Give me a half hour... gotta pick up kids. I was thinking the same. | 22:14 |
| astraljava | len: Sure, no rush. :) It's been there for a while already. :) | 22:14 |
| holstein | ok.. that makes sense now | 22:48 |
| astraljava | Whee! New audacious just creeped into unstable. | 22:50 |
| holstein | cool... do we get that? | 22:50 |
| astraljava | We will. I just need to find out if the autosync is still working, or if I need to file a request for it. | 22:51 |
| astraljava | FTBFS on some archs, so might be wise to wait for fixes. | 22:54 |
| micahg | astraljava: no, Debian Import Freeze is past, please use requestsync if you need something | 22:54 |
| holstein | nothing wrong with the current one | 22:54 |
| astraljava | micahg: Yeah, ajmitch just confirmed the same. | 22:55 |
| ScottL | falktx_, i'm here if you have a question, although i'm going to dinner with family to celebrate duaghter's birthday - 10 years old today :) | 23:28 |
| astraljava | ScottL: Conga-rats! :) | 23:29 |
| knome | Bongo-mice! | 23:29 |
| * astraljava rolls eyes | 23:30 | |
| knome | :Ð | 23:30 |
| knome | ♫ samba rumba bueno la conga cha cha cha | 23:31 |
| * knome shakes his body parts | 23:31 | |
| * astraljava chuckles | 23:31 | |
| * falktx_ facepalms | 23:32 | |
| astraljava | knome: That should be a factoid. Can you make it so? | 23:33 |
| astraljava | !conga-rats | 23:33 |
| knome | which one? :P | 23:33 |
| knome | heh | 23:33 |
| knome | in #ubuntustudio-devel? :P | 23:33 |
| astraljava | Well, alias could be !bongo-mice | 23:33 |
| astraljava | Hell yeah. | 23:33 |
| knome | haha | 23:33 |
| knome | i suppose i can | 23:33 |
| astraljava | EXCELLENT!!! /me rubs hands together, Mr. Burns-like | 23:34 |
| knome | hmm. can a factiod have a - ? | 23:34 |
| knome | !conga-rats | 23:35 |
| ubottu | ♫ samba rumba bueno la conga cha cha cha | 23:35 |
| knome | apparently | 23:35 |
| * falktx_ double facepalms | 23:35 | |
| knome | !bongo-mice | 23:35 |
| astraljava | Wow, you rock! | 23:35 |
| knome | !bongo-mice | 23:36 |
| ubottu | ♫ samba rumba bueno la conga cha cha cha | 23:36 |
| knome | there you go | 23:36 |
| knome | now sssshhh :P | 23:36 |
| astraljava | Aaaahhhhahahahahaha!!! | 23:36 |
| * astraljava ^5's knome | 23:36 | |
| * knome shakes his body parts again | 23:36 | |
| holstein | 16:48 < len> holstein: cd /usr/share/xgreeters | 23:48 |
| holstein | 16:48 < len> make a link from the file there to default.desktop | 23:48 |
| holstein | ^^ whats that mean? | 23:49 |
| holstein | im looking in there and i see lightdm-gtk-greeter.desktop | 23:49 |
| astraljava | holstein: But not default.desktop, right? I think len meant that there should be such linking to the lightdm one. | 23:51 |
| holstein | im trying ln -s /usr/share/xgreeters/lightdm-gtk-greeter.desktop | 23:52 |
| holstein | /usr/share/xgreeters/default.desktop | 23:52 |
| holstein | from len's email | 23:52 |
| holstein | yup... that was totally it.. | 23:53 |
| holstein | w0w!.. im excited again.. | 23:54 |
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