[00:20] <ScottL> astraljava, i wanted to ask you what you which task you are focusing on and let you know that falktx is looking at the ubiquity plugin
[00:28] <falktx__> it's all still a bit confusing to me, I'm not sure where I should look at...
[01:30] <ScottL> falktx__, did you look at the blueprint and the notes in there?
[01:34] <falktx__> yes
[01:36] <falktx__> don't we already have the basic live-dvd seeds?
[01:36] <ScottL> aye, we just need to adjust the ubiquity plugin to match our seeds is my understanding
[01:36] <ScottL> falktx__, but stephane would be a good person to talk to as well
[01:45] <falktx__> ScottL: do we have a timeline for this?
[01:46] <ScottL> falktx__, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/edubuntu-live/precise/files/head:/livecd/ubiquity/
[01:47] <ScottL> falktx__, hopefull before March 1st - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Roadmap
[01:50] <falktx__> ScottL: I'll postpone it to tomorrow morning again
[01:51] <falktx__> today when I woke up it was already 1pm...
[01:51] <ScottL> lol :)
[01:54] <falktx__> hm, the original theme on gtk3 would be cool...
[02:04] <ScottL> yeah i saw that
[02:05] <ScottL> how will that work wiht xfce?
[03:14] <len> ScottL: Forgot to mention this last night. The live DVD install does not ask if jackd should be installed with realtime priv.
[03:17] <len> The live DVD installs everything. This is why it failed to build with the ffmpeg-extra libs. Once the ability to only install certain workflows is added, the ISO will build.
[03:17] <len> Just like the alt did, but install may fail in the same way too.
[04:00] <ScottL> len, a few things to mention
[04:01] <len> ScottL ok
[04:01] <ScottL> len, i was going to do the multi-head documentation so it's a little more formalized (although i haven't read your link currently)
[04:01] <ScottL> noting the testing was done for two use cases
[04:01] <ScottL> these are the steps used to make it work for both
[04:01] <ScottL> and these are the packages we tried and these are why they weren't chosen
[04:02] <ScottL> those type of things
[04:02] <ScottL> len, i don't have to do them, if you want to that would be great as well
[04:02] <len> I tried to do a and b, but not really c
[04:02] <ScottL> but i just want something that users can use but also documents our experience so we don't have to relive this later on
[04:03] <ScottL> len, there are other things that i wanted to tell you today but i can't remember now that i'm tired :P
[04:03] <len> If its easier send email
[04:03] <ScottL> len, i can do that :)
[04:03] <ScottL> also, don't forget to look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Roadmap and commit for something if you can
[04:03] <ScottL> otherwise i'll end up doing it all myself
[04:04] <len> I know you must be a few hours ahead of me
[04:04] <ScottL> it's 22:03 here
[04:04] <len> 2 hours then
[04:06] <ScottL> i found the reprio.conf thingie earlier
[04:08] <ScottL> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/ubuntustudio-meta/precise/revision/73
[04:08] <ScottL> this is where it was added, and it was quite a while ago
[04:09] <ScottL> oct 2010
[04:09] <len> I think the whole jack permissions thing is being thought about from what I have seen.
[04:10] <ScottL> yeah, it should be
[04:10] <ScottL> but for precise we should still fix what we can so it's clean
[04:10] <ScottL> i think the ubuntustudio-meta (or ubuntustudio-audio within -meta) shouldn't add the other file if jackd is providing what it does
[04:10] <len> I was wondering though, on the live DVD install if jack is installed with rt permission or not
[04:11] <ScottL> len, i'm guessing that the live user doesn't have permissions via the audio group
[04:11] <ScottL> i'm surprised that the installed OS doesn't have -rt permissions though
[04:11] <ScottL> len, i'm going to test this weekend as well, make a good list, ask others for what they noticed, and then hit up cjwatson about fixing some of it
[04:12] <len> On alt I get asked if I want rt, but not with live. A problem with ubiquity?
[04:12] <ScottL> possibly, but i'm not sure about any of that stuff
[04:12] <ScottL> i know crap about ubiquity, to be honest
[04:12] <len> ubiquity man page is pretty sparse
[04:13] <ScottL> i think ubiquity has been called a black box a few times or voodoo or similar
[04:13] <len> I figured out more looking at its files
[04:14] <len> I could probably change the slideshow... though not the way it was intended to be changed ;-)
[04:14] <len>  But the black box comment fits.
[04:15] <len> ScottL: Gotta go do my sons meds. Ill look for the email.
[04:16] <ScottL> len, thanks :)
[04:16] <ScottL> len, check out the guidelines as swell for the slideshow
[04:23] <ailo> ScottL: len: What happened to me, installing US from the live environment was that the user did not end up in audio group, the jack file /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf was installed, but renamed. There was no additional US file from the ubuntustudio-audio package
[04:24] <ailo> The renamed jack file became /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf.disabled
[04:24] <ailo> So, no rt priv for user
[04:26] <len> ailo: Normally at jack install we are asked if we want rt priv. but not with live install.
[04:27] <ailo> len: True. The installation proceeds as if we have answered yes
[04:27] <ailo> Whereafter the file that is installed as a consequence to answering yes is overrided
[04:28] <ailo> When jack asks if we want rt priv, it doesn't actually provide it. It just installs the file that gives rt priv to audio group
[04:28] <ailo> Namely /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf
[04:30] <ailo> I suspect installing the old way (not from the live environment) will put user to audio group
[04:31] <ailo> If it is the same as it used to be. I realize things have changed a lot since gnome2 install
[04:43] <ailo> Since it does affect security, I suppose it's bad not getting the question. Perhaps ubiquity is not designed to do this?
[04:48] <len> ailo: ubiquity docs seem to be pretty sparse
[04:52] <ScottL> i'm planning on poking cjwatson about this after this weekend to see what else needs addressing
[04:57] <ScottL> it would appear that only the 64 bit version of ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme is being built currently
[04:58] <ScottL> but maybe i'm wrong :/
[04:58] <ScottL> sorry, it appears that only a 32 bit version is being built
[04:58] <ScottL> is anyone running a 32 bit version of 12.04 currently?   could be ubuntu or xubuntu or *buntu 12.04
[04:59] <micahg> ScottL: are there binary components in that package?
[04:59] <ScottL> micahg, do you mean does it generate a .deb file?
[05:00] <micahg> no
[05:00] <ScottL> oh, you mean like an image?
[05:00] <micahg> I mean is there anything compiled in the package?  right now, it's arch: all
[05:00] <ScottL> this is where i'm looking: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme/0.2
[05:00] <micahg> yes, but what's insid
[05:00] <micahg> e
[05:01] <ScottL> it looks like 0.1 was never pushed to repos and 0.2 appears to only be i386
[05:01] <micahg> it's an arch all package (which means architecture independent)
[05:01] <ScottL> micahg, i'm not sure to be honest, i'll poke around
[05:02] <ScottL> micahg, doesn't look like it
[05:03] <micahg> ScottL: it's just conf files, it's fine
[05:03] <ScottL> just /user and /etc and /debian directories
[05:03] <ScottL> and conf files unde the first two
[05:03] <ScottL> oh, you typed that too
[05:03] <ScottL> sorry, getting a bit tired
[05:04] <ScottL> but, micahg , if i type 'apt-cache search ubuntustudio-*' i don't get the -lightdm-theme package
[05:04] <ScottL> i'm on 64 bit install
[05:04] <ScottL> synaptic can't find it either
[05:04] <micahg> I see it...
[05:04] <micahg> is your mirror up to date?
[05:04] <ScottL> i 'refreshed' in synaptic
[05:04] <micahg> are you on precise?
[05:04] <ScottL> but i'll do a sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:05] <ScottL> errr update
[05:05] <micahg> it was built almost 3 months ago
[05:05] <ScottL> errrrr, no
[05:05] <ScottL> micahg, i'm an idiot, sorry
[05:05] <ScottL> i'm using oneirc right now on this laptop
[05:05] <micahg> right, it's precise only
[05:06] <ScottL> yeah, i see my logic now
[05:06] <ScottL> i had thought it had been built for oneiric originally
[05:06] <ScottL> i thought it had been included in the 11.10 ISO actually
[05:07] <micahg> nope, it was supposed to be, but didn't get sponsored IIRC
[05:07] <ScottL> as i poked around seeing if rev 2 had been uploaded or not (which would cause the background to not work as it looked) i noticed it wasn't there
[05:07] <ScottL> yeah, that makes sense
[05:08] <ScottL> i'm going to install the precise live-dvd by this weekend and look at it
[05:08] <ScottL> i suppose i could always get the source and build local to see it as well, but i can wait...plus it might not even build properly
[05:09] <ScottL> me being on oneiric
[05:09] <ScottL> okay, it's quite a bit past my bedtime, good night
[05:09] <micahg> ScottL: you can just grab the deb from LP, nothing is really built, so it should work on oneiric as well
[05:09] <ailo> ScottL: GN Scott
[05:10] <ailo> We work in shifts
[05:10] <ailo> I just woke
[05:10] <ScottL> micahg, oh, i see your point about binaries now, i think
[05:10] <ailo> ..up
[05:10] <micahg> yes, the word is overloaded :)
[05:10] <micahg> I was referring to binary vs text as opposed to binary vs source
[05:11] <ScottL> i guess i've always viewed .deb files as binaries, but i can see that that isn't the case
[05:11] <micahg> no, they are :)
[05:11] <micahg> they're binary packages
[05:12] <ScottL> oh, okay...i'll think more on this on the morrow ;)
[11:09] <astraljava> ScottL: Sorry, had fallen asleep already. I don't know, really. I see a lot of tasks have been taken care of, already (thanks guys! You're doing an awesome job!)
[11:10] <astraljava> ScottL: Maybe we need to have a little discussion on what's most important at the moment, what's been done, and what's essential before the Alpha-2.
[11:10] <astraljava> ScottL: Informal meeting this Sunday?
[13:02] <ScottL> astraljava, the roadmap shows what i think is important at this point https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Roadmap
[13:03] <ScottL> and it's broken out by milestone
[13:03] <ScottL> i just want to make sure we are addressing all items remaining, items are prioritized correctly, and we are working effectively across those items
[13:05] <ScottL> astraljava, i will absolutely be at a meeting this sunday
[13:05] <ScottL> in about 4.5 hours i will be at my desk for 2 hours (all day meeting except for 2 hours during lunch)
[13:06] <ScottL> we can talk more about work items during that time if you want
[13:06] <ScottL> you seem to have vocally committed to many things, which is why i asked falktx to look at the ubiquity plugin since it's a pretty important piece of work currently
[13:06] <ScottL> if you really want it and will focus on it, then great, we'll get falktx to do something else...because there is plent else to do
[14:05] <scott-work> micahg: i am thinking clearer now
[14:05] <astraljava> ScottL: Yeah, that would be good. So that's around 1730 UTC, right?
[14:05] <scott-work> i know that .deb files are binaries, i can't just open a text file and read them
[14:06] <scott-work> astraljava:  i don't remember the time we usually do them but i will be there
[14:06] <scott-work> micahg: and i understand the differentiation you meant on about binaries now, binary vs. text and binary vs source
[14:07] <scott-work> we we're obviously dealing with source, but within the source we were also only dealing with text within the -lightdm-theme package
[14:09] <quadrispro> hi guys, I'm sorry to not have much time to spend here having fun with you :) I'm here just to inform you that I've sync'd mudita24 for Precise
[14:15] <astraljava> scott-work: .deb files are practically just containers. You can extract them with `dpkg -x <filename>.deb`
[14:17] <astraljava> Well, there's not much point to test the package then, as it's already there. :) Gotta love the guy. Too bad he had to leave.
[14:42] <ailo> Groups, security.. there's no such thing as a perfect system. There's just what you want to achieve and trying to find an energy efficient way to do that
[14:43] <ailo> Or should I say, a fun way to do things
[14:43] <holstein> i like how falk did it with KX
[14:44] <holstein> it was a bit clunky, though functional, and totally fixed this at install
[14:46] <ailo> holstein: What bothered me the most was that the desktop was slow
[14:46] <holstein> ailo: live?
[14:46] <holstein> it wont be fast
[14:46] <ailo> Well, it was heavy on the graphics
[14:47] <ailo> Other than that, it was cool
[14:49] <holstein> i find it similar to the normal live CD's
[14:49] <holstein> i should say i havent actually loaded ours up, but thte 64studio one, the new dynebolic, the others too...
[14:49] <ailo> holstein: I don't think it was only the live CD
[14:50] <ailo> I mean, loading applications is slow on live CD's, not running them
[14:50] <ailo> And the graphics should not be slow
[14:50] <holstein> interesting
[14:50] <ailo> Especially on a multimedia system
[14:50] <holstein> i was hoping XFCE would help us a bit
[14:50] <ailo> The US live DVD was slow for me, but there was some bug having to do with dbus
[14:51] <ailo> I get it sometimes with my normal Precise install as well
[14:51] <ailo> The US live DVD was using up a lot of CPU
[14:51] <holstein> maybe its kernel+your hardware related?
[14:51] <ailo> Don't think it will later on
[14:51] <ailo> Nope, it's a bug
[15:03] <astraljava> ailo: Have you looked through all the normal logs, ie. .xsession-errors, /var/log/syslog and the likes?
[15:04] <ailo> astraljava: I haven't had time to test it anymore than that. I'll try again at a later stage
[15:04] <astraljava> ailo: Yeah ok. No rush. I'll try to give it a spin too one of these days.
[15:47] <scott-work> astraljava: i plan to give the live-dvd a workout this weekend, can you help me with what to look for in the logs?
[15:47] <scott-work> i want to go to cjwatson early next week with a comprehensive list of things we would like addressed wiht the live-dvd
[15:51] <astraljava> scott-work: Yeah, I'm planning to do that, too, maybe tomorrow or at least over the weekend.
[16:09] <quadrispro> hi again guys
[16:10] <quadrispro> ScottL, are you around?
[16:10] <quadrispro> scott-work, ehy, maybe this is the right nickname to ping :)
[16:10] <astraljava> Hey Alessio. And thanks again for your excellent work on mudita24!
[16:13] <quadrispro> astraljava, thank you! :) I need an ACK from UbuntuStudio's devs to going ahead with bug #922036
[16:13] <astraljava> I'll have a look.
[16:17] <astraljava> quadrispro: hydrogen is being directly seeded. Do you want us (US) to rebuild and test before proceeding with this?
[16:19] <quadrispro> astraljava, I tried to rebuild it on (and Ubuntu ships the same version of) Debian before starting the transition for Wheezy
[16:19] <quadrispro> and that's the result
[16:19] <quadrispro> http://debomatic64.debian.net/audiofile/hydrogen.log
[16:20] <quadrispro> so, there would be no pain
[16:20] <quadrispro> astraljava, would hydrogen be the only package seeded?
[16:21] <astraljava> quadrispro: I will have to go through the list carefully, but that's the first thing I noticed.
[16:22] <astraljava> quadrispro: Can I get a list of affected packages in text format somehow from LP?
[16:22] <astraljava> quadrispro: I mean apart from c&p'ing. :)
[16:28] <astraljava> quadrispro: Well at least it's now easier to c&p from the bugmail. :)
[16:33] <astraljava> quadrispro: Yes, hydrogen is the only one directly seeded. I suppose the dependencies should be checked too, though?
[16:37] <quadrispro> which deps?
[16:43] <astraljava> quadrispro: Deps for the seeded apps?
[16:45] <quadrispro> astraljava, everything should be OK
[16:45] <quadrispro> astraljava, if you want, you could check twice with apt-rdepends
[16:46] <quadrispro> astraljava, remember to use --reverse, point your attention to the libaudiofile0, that is the binary which will change name
[16:47] <micahg> I can give you a pastebin of the reverse deps if you like
[16:49] <astraljava> micahg: That'd be awesome, thanks!
[16:51] <micahg> hmm...pastebinit is broke, one sec
[16:52] <astraljava> No rush.
[16:53] <micahg> nope, Ubuntu pastebin is broke, http://paste.debian.net/153724/
[16:55] <micahg> FYI, there's also a reverse-depends tool in ubuntu-dev-tools now
[16:57] <astraljava> Oh cool, will look into that one. Thanks, micahg!
[16:59] <scott-work> quadrispro: i am here (but will need to run itno a meeting again soon)
[17:00] <astraljava> micahg: quadrispro: Have I understood it correctly, though, that I should cross-reference that list with ~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntustudio.precise/audio-common.depends too?
[17:00]  * scott-work is reading backscroll now between alessio and janne
[17:02] <scott-work> looks like astraljava is already handling this :)  thanks janne
[17:02] <astraljava> scott-work: I'm on it. That doesn't mean it'll be sorted, though. *grin*
[17:03] <scott-work> lol :)
[17:03] <scott-work> but at least you can help suss out what is going on currently
[17:03] <micahg> astraljava: I can do better for you :)
[17:03] <astraljava> micahg: Oh? Do tell.
[17:04] <quadrispro> ehy micahg, how are you?
[17:04] <quadrispro> scott-work, yes, you have understood correctly :)
[17:05] <micahg> hi quadrispro :)
[17:05] <micahg> astraljava: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntustudio.precise/rdepends/ALL/libaudiofile0
[17:05] <micahg> quadrispro: I'm good
[17:05] <micahg> and you?
[17:06] <micahg> astraljava: as cjwatson keeps telling us, let's not reinvent germinate :)
[17:06] <astraljava> micahg: Did you have something to do with the libav*-extra* packages? The image failed to build because of those.
[17:07] <astraljava> micahg: Excellent!
[17:07] <micahg> astraljava: yes, today's image should be fine
[17:07] <micahg> as in the one being generated in an hour
[17:07] <astraljava> micahg: Ahh... sorry, I confused the date.
[17:07] <astraljava> micahg: And thanks for the lesson-of-the-day, great learning experience. :)
[17:08] <quadrispro> good, back home just yesterday from Germany, I stayed there with my girlfriend to breathe a bit of European air and now, after a week-off, I've so many things to deal with
[17:08] <micahg> I was waiting for siretart to upload libav-extra to Debian, but it never happened, I finally poked him yesterday and he did it
[17:08] <astraljava> Good, good.
[17:08] <micahg> quadrispro: aren't you based in Europe? (Italy)
[17:09] <quadrispro> micahg, yes in Italy, but our air is not so European :)
[17:09] <quadrispro> guys, please give me a feedback on the report and I'll sync the package
[17:09] <micahg> heh, it should be cleaner being surrounded by the Mediterranean
[17:11] <astraljava> quadrispro: xjadeo in video seed matches
[17:12] <astraljava> quadrispro: Also, gimp-gap in graphics.
[17:12] <astraljava> But that's it.
[17:18] <falktx> scott-work: I don't think I have permissions to create new US branches (only to edit them). can you create one for ubiquity, similar to edubuntu? (or maybe just copy everything over)
[17:19] <quadrispro> astraljava, xjadeo? it doesn't seems so, at least doesn't have a direct dep on libaudiofile0
[17:19] <astraljava> falktx: You are in the team, though, so you should be able to.
[17:20] <falktx> not sure, last time I tried it failed
[17:20] <astraljava> quadrispro: Not direct, no. Am I reading the link micahg posted wrong, then?
[17:20] <quadrispro> astraljava, gimp-gap, the same, it seems to not match :/
[17:20] <astraljava> falktx: Please pastebin the output, if you have problems still.
[17:22] <astraljava> quadrispro: mplayer -> mencoder -> xjadeo, which is in video seed. Does that not count?
[17:23] <quadrispro> no, because the shlib will change (libaudiofile0 -> libaudiofile1), if a package doesn't have a direct dep on libaudiofile0 it won't be touched
[17:23] <astraljava> quadrispro: Ahh... ok then. Yeah, if that's the case, then hydrogen is the only one.
[17:24] <quadrispro> ok
[17:50] <holstein> D00Ds!
[17:50] <holstein> the live CD is *nice*
[17:51] <holstein> the little loading screen thing is *so* cool
[17:51] <holstein> who made that?
[17:51] <holstein> the ubuntustudio - linux for creative humans graphic?
[17:54] <holstein> w0w... right out of the box!
[17:54] <holstein> JACK starts... no fuss
[17:55] <holstein> just internal hardware on a laptop right now, but that is impressive!
[17:55] <ailo> holstein: No realtime though
[17:55] <holstein> ailo: right... but still!
[17:55] <holstein> w00t!
[17:55] <ailo> It's great to finally have it
[17:55] <ailo> I mean the live DVD
[17:55] <holstein> and have it lookins so polished already
[17:56] <holstein> ailo: you know how the xrun counter is there?
[17:56] <holstein> what is the other #?
[17:57] <holstein> its like "3 (33)" or whatever
[17:57] <holstein> i know 3 is xruns.. what is 33 again?
[17:57] <ailo> holstein: Isn't it 33 xruns, and three something else?
[17:57] <ailo> Check the messages
[17:57] <holstein> even at this stage, live, and on internal hardware, with generic kernel and no RT, im getting "0 (1)"
[17:58] <holstein> ailo: yeah... looks like that is the case
[17:58] <holstein> XRUN callback (1)
[17:58] <holstein> i have "cannont lock down memory erea"
[17:59] <holstein> i could literally throw something right now im so excited about it!
[17:59] <holstein> that loading screen is very nice
[17:59] <holstein> scott-work: was that yours?
[17:59] <ailo> holstein: I believe ScottL made that for Oneiric
[18:00] <ailo> It's been around for some while, but it would either not work or flash by too quickly to be seen. It's nice to have it on the live DVD
[18:00] <holstein> OH snap!
[18:00] <holstein> pulse audio jack sink running out of the box!
[18:00] <holstein> very nice!
[18:00] <ailo> holstein: Do you get sound?
[18:00] <ailo> I didn't from the pulse sink
[18:01] <holstein> i get yoshimi
[18:01] <holstein> lemme try something via pulse
[18:02] <ailo> holstein: Make sure it's not muted or something
[18:02] <holstein> ailo: im finding the live UI very responsive
[18:02] <ailo> holstein: Whatever is loaded into ram will be very responsive
[18:03] <ailo> holstein: When you load a program, it'll take some time. First time you open the main menu, it takes a bit of time
[18:03] <ailo> But, running programs is not slower at all
[18:03] <ailo> Once it's in RAM, it's just like normal
[18:04] <holstein> yup.. i think its a little faster with XFCE though
[18:05] <holstein> this is a fastish machine that im not used as well...
[18:06] <ailo> holstein: It's not faster than gnome3
[18:08] <holstein> i havent tried gnome3 live yet
[18:08] <holstein> yeah, no pulse via JACK for me out of the box
[18:08] <holstein> still!... im stoked
[18:09] <ailo> holstein: The point is this. Nothing is fast until it's loaded into RAM. Programs, menus, you name it
[18:09] <holstein> a wallpaper and a theme, and we are good UI-wise
[18:09] <holstein> yeah, i get that... i just think loading from CD seems faster
[18:09] <holstein> in XFCE, than what im used to... but it could be this box
[18:10] <holstein> or that im just so damn excited about it :)
[18:10] <ailo> holstein: Don't think the box should matter too much. Did you burn a DVD, or is it from usb stick?
[18:10] <holstein> DVD
[18:10] <ailo> holstein:  Than maybe the DVD player reads faster than another machine you have
[18:10] <holstein> i wanted to go for what i thought would be slowest
[18:11] <scott-work> falktx_: i will see what i can do about the bzr branch, can you make a personal one under you launchpad account for now?
[18:11] <scott-work> holstein: i made the plymouth theme from what cory brought to me
[18:11] <holstein> scott-work: that is *too* bad man!
[18:12] <holstein> it really sets the tone, i think
[18:12] <ailo> holstein: Also, I wouldn't compare with Unity for example until it's final release. And, it would also depend on how many services are started
[18:16] <scott-work> i'm glad you are excited about this holstein, it makes me feel excited as well :)
[18:16] <holstein> scott-work: im installing.. and its not curses!.. not that there anything wrong with that
[18:20] <holstein> this installer slideshow is not a dealbreaker for me
[18:20] <holstein> maybe we can just chill it out a bit
[18:20] <holstein> just use thoes slides we already have on the site
[18:21] <holstein> that would give us some consistency
[18:21] <holstein> and thats something that is in theory already done, and easy to just bring over
[18:23] <holstein> i joined ubuntu-installer.. ill poke around a bit about it
[18:23] <holstein> if its that eays, why not...
[18:23] <holstein> easy*
[18:23] <holstein> one thing to check off the long-ish list
[18:24] <holstein> MAN.. id like to just have that loading graphic there! :)
[18:25] <holstein> 13:24 < cjwatson> the ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu source package has slideshows for several flavours of Ubuntu, and builds  ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu, ubiquity-slideshow-xubuntu, ... binary packages
[18:25] <holstein> 13:24 < cjwatson> so it would probably be best to make a branch of lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu and add ubuntustudio bits to it
[18:28] <holstein> scott-work: is that something we can do?
[18:28] <holstein> we meaning you ;)
[18:28] <holstein> or should i try and get a helper over there?
[18:31] <astraljava> holstein: Are you a member of ~ubuntustudio-dev? If so, then yes, you can, too.
[18:31] <scott-work> holstein: yes it is, it's on the roadmap already
[18:31] <scott-work> holstein: also, the guildelines are already linked as well as the code in the roadmap
[18:32] <scott-work> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Roadmap
[18:32] <scott-work> i will ask everyone again to look at the roadmap
[18:32] <holstein> i remember having seen it there
[18:32] <scott-work>  * please make sure all items needed for precise are there
[18:32] <scott-work>  * please make sure you think items are in the right milestone
[18:32] <scott-work>  * please sign up for stuff so we can cover any holes
[18:32] <scott-work> thank you
[18:33] <scott-work> i have also tried to link the relevant blueprint or otherwise required information there
[18:33] <holstein> my install is not booting :/
[18:33] <holstein> drag...
[18:34] <holstein> i could likely take that on then
[18:34] <holstein> assuming i can use the site graphics
[18:34] <knome> i'm going to update the xubuntu slideshow too, so i might as well work on the studio slideshow
[18:34] <knome> as long as somebody gives me the content on time
[18:35] <knome> holstein, if you want it though, feel free to take the item :)
[18:35] <scott-work> knome: that would be incredibly helpful, maybe holstein can help you though
[18:35] <scott-work>  
[18:35] <holstein> knome: COOL
[18:35] <holstein> nah... dont wait on me
[18:35] <scott-work> keep in mind about teh roadmap...
[18:35] <knome> i'm not sure how much there is to "help"
[18:35] <holstein> i have to learn how to do it
[18:35] <scott-work> we can always do things early :P
[18:35] <knome> i mean, it's quite simple, the slideshow stuff
[18:35] <knome> you basically just drop in stuff
[18:36] <holstein> scott-work: im going more on what i can do, rather than the timeline for the moment
[18:36] <scott-work> holstein: i bet if you can help knome define the content, he can make it happen code wise
[18:36] <knome> yup.
[18:36] <scott-work> although there isn't much code stuff really, considering we should be coyping and pasting a lot of it
[18:36] <knome> just get me the content (as with the website), and i'll handle it
[18:36] <knome> i even have push rights for the slideshow branch, so that's not a problem either
[18:36] <holstein> knome: im in..
[18:37] <holstein> maybe i can fake our look and feel?
[18:37] <holstein> get some screenies going
[18:37] <knome> your choice :)
[18:37] <holstein> the website is just easy, thats all
[18:37] <holstein> knome: when are you doing xubuntu?
[18:37] <knome> no idea yet
[18:37] <knome> but doesn't need to happen at the same time
[18:38] <holstein> knome: cool
[18:38] <knome> we're mostly updating the text and switching one or two shots
[18:38] <holstein> wonder if i can update the menu...
[18:38] <knome> if there is a bug or work item that can be assigned to me, it would help :)
[18:38] <knome> which menu? the website?
[18:38] <holstein> im assuming the XFCE menu for US
[18:39] <knome> ah
[18:39] <knome> probably, that's not too hard either
[18:39] <holstein> though i dont mind whats there
[18:41] <knome> scott-work, ?
[18:42] <scott-work> holstein: the menu is meant to be the ubuntu studio menu since we moved to xfce
[18:42] <scott-work> i don't believe it will be showing the audio production menu properly
[18:42] <holstein> its not bad
[18:42] <scott-work> i think all the multimedia stuff will all be under multimedia
[18:42] <scott-work> a lot shouldn't be but should be under audio prodcution
[18:42] <holstein> yup.. audio production is under multimedia
[18:42] <scott-work> i think only the "desktop" type apps should be under multimedia
[18:43] <holstein> eh.. i could go either way
[18:43] <scott-work> "desktop" meaning totem, audacious, etc
[18:43] <holstein> it used to be similar to this
[18:43] <holstein> just under "audio" or whatever it was
[18:43] <knome> scott-work, when do you think you would have time for the website stuff? i think we should get in contact with the IS soon again to get the site to staging
[18:43] <knome> scott-work, also, would you please create me a work item in the appropriate blueprint for the slideshow. thanks! :)
[18:43] <scott-work> knome:  can we say withint two weeks?  is that too long for you?  i mean to be "done" with my part
[18:44] <knome> well, there's only some decisions really
[18:44] <scott-work> knome: i can do that re: blueprint
[18:44] <knome> what to do with the "featured area"
[18:44] <knome> should it progress automatically? etc.
[18:44] <knome> and if there is something else you want dramatically changed, now is a good time
[18:44] <knome> because any changes will start dragging once we go staging
[18:45] <holstein> lemme see if dist-upgrade gives me whatever x needs to start..
[18:48] <holstein> im going to boot the live CD on my main rig.. see what its like with firewire
[18:48] <ailo> holstein: Great
[18:49] <ailo> holstein: Great time to see about that firewire - audio group thing
[18:49] <holstein> yup.. the video group or whatever
[18:49] <ailo> holstein: No, it's audio group
[18:49] <ailo> holstein: The udev file, remember
[18:49] <holstein> eh... we'll see
[18:50] <holstein> its been 10.04 since ive really done more that randomly test it
[18:51] <ailo> holstein: Since 10.10 there's a file /lib/udev/rules.d/60-ffado.rules which grants rights to specific ffado devices
[18:52] <holstein> w0w
[18:52] <holstein> arandr just worked like a charm!
[18:52] <ailo> holstein: In your case it's this line..
[18:52] <ailo> ATTR{vendor}=="0x000a92", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_FFADO}="1" # Presonus Corporation
[18:52] <holstein> i got dual head just the way i wanted it in like 2 minutes!
[18:54] <ailo> If I remember correctly you can't use firewire without being a member of audio group
[18:54] <ailo> Never mind realtime
[18:54] <holstein> scott-work: yeah.. audio and video production are under "multimedia"
[18:54] <holstein> they get sub-menus like before in gnome
[18:55] <holstein> ailo: this drive is reading noticably slower
[18:56] <holstein> ok.. out of the box again with the internal sound device
[18:59] <holstein> nah.. i havnet troubleshooted much, but gksudo qjackctl can start my firewire device
[18:59] <holstein> and of course.. no JACK sink on there ;)
[19:00] <ailo> holstein: Try jack with firewire, no realtime please
[19:00] <holstein> ailo: anything else i should check from the "big-rig" ?
[19:00] <ailo> And as user, not root
[19:01] <holstein> cool
[19:01] <holstein> as normal user, with the realtime box un-ticked.. all is well
[19:01] <holstein> so, that might get taken care of with the kernel
[19:01] <holstein> also, JACK sink is there now as normal user, which makes sense
[19:01] <ailo> I have no idea, but then it seems user does not need to be a member of audio group to use firewire
[19:02] <ailo> Which is great news
[19:02] <holstein> ailo: agreed.. its not the big permissions issue we were concerned about
[19:02] <holstein> im getting a shutdown error... but i think thats OK for where we are
[19:03] <ailo> YEa
[19:03] <holstein> this is a new stack, and new JACK.. im sure i would need to trouble shoot a bit for my particular hardware
[19:03] <ailo> holstein: Nah, I think you're ok
[19:03] <holstein> still... exciting!
[19:04] <holstein> this is an odd nvidia card too
[19:05] <ailo> holstein: Do you have a spare partition, or another machine you can use to test firewire?
[19:05] <ailo> I should probably just get mine home, so I can try one more thing
[19:05] <holstein> ailo: yup
[19:05] <holstein> ill do a proper install there ASAP
[19:05] <ailo> Alright
[19:05] <holstein> OR just on my main rig
[19:06] <ailo> I was pretty happy using Oneiric with the -lowlatency and my focusrite device
[19:06] <ailo> 64 f/p, and not a single xrun to date
[19:06] <holstein> this laptop was a candidate for that though, and its black-screening
[19:06] <holstein> ailo: wow... thats great
[19:07] <holstein> i get TTY's... so its not a panic
[19:07] <holstein> i'll just let it set here for a while
[19:15] <scott-work> holstein: but the audio production menu didn't used to be under multimedia though
[19:15] <scott-work> it used to be under it's own menu item, not as a sub menu
[19:15] <scott-work> i'll probably isntall an older version of ubuntu studio and take some screen shots as an example of what we used to have
[19:16] <scott-work> okay, knome, i'll try to make a really good push this weekend then on the website
[19:38] <scott-work> holstein, are you okay with knome having the work item in the blueprint?
[19:38] <scott-work> it needs to be done and this will make him responsible for it but dependent on your input however
[20:09] <knome> scott-work, thanks :)
[20:29] <scott-work> falktx_: are you around?
[20:29] <scott-work> err, ping!
[20:49] <scott-work> falktx_: i realized now that you don't need to create a new bzr branch, you will be creating the /plugin directory inside the live-dvd (or whatever i linked earlier) seed in the existing seed branch
[21:16] <holstein> scott-work: yeah, sure... im with you!
[21:18] <falktx_> scott-work: probably, sorry I've just been so busy lately...
[21:22] <falktx_> hm, now he quits
[21:23] <holstein> hehe
[21:48] <len> holstein: cd /usr/share/xgreeters
[21:48] <len> make a link from the file there to default.desktop
[21:48] <len> This is a known problem...
[21:55] <holstein> len: my install failed :/
[21:56] <ailo> bad DVD?
[21:56] <ailo> holstein: ?
[21:56] <ailo> Try usb stick instead
[21:56] <holstein> ailo: i dont think so... anything is possible though
[21:56] <ailo> I don't trust DVD for nothing
[21:56] <ailo> I can hardly install anything from a DVD
[21:57] <ailo> If I burnt it myself
[21:57] <holstein> when i reboot in the recovery console, and run startx, i get a "no gnome session" error
[21:57] <holstein> i just barely had time to troubleshoot it though
[21:57] <ailo> Oh, so the install worked, but the system is broken?
[21:57] <ailo> I mean, the install finished
[21:58] <holstein> ailo: yeah
[21:58] <holstein> and i tty'd and upgraded
[21:58] <ailo> I downloaded mine yesterdayt
[21:58] <ailo> Could be a temporary problem
[21:58] <holstein> at this point, you never know what is not supported
[21:58] <holstein> and it can be me
[21:59] <ailo> Past my bedtime. Got loads of stuff to do this coming week :P
[21:59] <ailo> GN guys
[22:00] <holstein> ailo: o/
[22:12] <len> holstein: have you looked to see if there is a /usr/share/xgreeters/default.desktop file or link? 
[22:12] <len> If it is missing there will be no X session
[22:13] <len> I have had this issue for about a week or two now.... including the live dvd
[22:13] <astraljava> len: I think it's time to file a bug about it, unless there is one already.
[22:13] <len> I should say live DVD install. The live DVD part is fine
[22:14] <len>  Give me a half hour... gotta pick up kids. I was thinking the same.
[22:14] <astraljava> len: Sure, no rush. :) It's been there for a while already. :)
[22:48] <holstein> ok.. that makes sense now
[22:50] <astraljava> Whee! New audacious just creeped into unstable.
[22:50] <holstein> cool... do we get that?
[22:51] <astraljava> We will. I just need to find out if the autosync is still working, or if I need to file a request for it.
[22:54] <astraljava> FTBFS on some archs, so might be wise to wait for fixes.
[22:54] <micahg> astraljava: no, Debian Import Freeze is past, please use requestsync if you need something
[22:54] <holstein> nothing wrong with the current one
[22:55] <astraljava> micahg: Yeah, ajmitch just confirmed the same.
[23:28] <ScottL> falktx_, i'm here if you have a question, although i'm going to dinner with family to celebrate duaghter's birthday - 10 years old today :)
[23:29] <astraljava> ScottL: Conga-rats! :)
[23:29] <knome> Bongo-mice!
[23:30]  * astraljava rolls eyes
[23:30] <knome> :Ð
[23:31] <knome> ♫ samba rumba bueno la conga cha cha cha
[23:31]  * knome shakes his body parts
[23:31]  * astraljava chuckles
[23:32]  * falktx_ facepalms
[23:33] <astraljava> knome: That should be a factoid. Can you make it so?
[23:33] <astraljava> !conga-rats
[23:33] <knome> which one? :P
[23:33] <knome> heh
[23:33] <knome> in #ubuntustudio-devel? :P
[23:33] <astraljava> Well, alias could be !bongo-mice
[23:33] <astraljava> Hell yeah.
[23:33] <knome> haha
[23:33] <knome> i suppose i can
[23:34] <astraljava> EXCELLENT!!! /me rubs hands together, Mr. Burns-like
[23:34] <knome> hmm. can a factiod have a - ?
[23:35] <knome> !conga-rats
[23:35] <knome> apparently
[23:35]  * falktx_ double facepalms
[23:35] <knome> !bongo-mice
[23:35] <astraljava> Wow, you rock!
[23:36] <knome> !bongo-mice
[23:36] <knome> there you go
[23:36] <knome> now sssshhh :P
[23:36] <astraljava> Aaaahhhhahahahahaha!!!
[23:36]  * astraljava ^5's knome 
[23:36]  * knome shakes his body parts again
[23:48] <holstein> 16:48 < len> holstein: cd /usr/share/xgreeters
[23:48] <holstein> 16:48 < len> make a link from the file there to default.desktop
[23:49] <holstein> ^^ whats that mean?
[23:49] <holstein> im looking in there and i see lightdm-gtk-greeter.desktop
[23:51] <astraljava> holstein: But not default.desktop, right? I think len meant that there should be such linking to the lightdm one.
[23:52] <holstein> im trying ln -s /usr/share/xgreeters/lightdm-gtk-greeter.desktop
[23:52] <holstein> /usr/share/xgreeters/default.desktop
[23:52] <holstein> from len's email
[23:53] <holstein> yup... that was totally it..
[23:54] <holstein> w0w!.. im excited again..