[00:20] astraljava, i wanted to ask you what you which task you are focusing on and let you know that falktx is looking at the ubiquity plugin [00:28] it's all still a bit confusing to me, I'm not sure where I should look at... [01:30] falktx__, did you look at the blueprint and the notes in there? [01:34] yes [01:36] don't we already have the basic live-dvd seeds? [01:36] aye, we just need to adjust the ubiquity plugin to match our seeds is my understanding [01:36] falktx__, but stephane would be a good person to talk to as well [01:45] ScottL: do we have a timeline for this? [01:46] falktx__, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/edubuntu-live/precise/files/head:/livecd/ubiquity/ [01:47] falktx__, hopefull before March 1st - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Roadmap [01:50] ScottL: I'll postpone it to tomorrow morning again [01:51] today when I woke up it was already 1pm... [01:51] lol :) [01:54] hm, the original theme on gtk3 would be cool... [02:04] yeah i saw that [02:05] how will that work wiht xfce? [03:14] ScottL: Forgot to mention this last night. The live DVD install does not ask if jackd should be installed with realtime priv. [03:17] The live DVD installs everything. This is why it failed to build with the ffmpeg-extra libs. Once the ability to only install certain workflows is added, the ISO will build. [03:17] Just like the alt did, but install may fail in the same way too. [04:00] len, a few things to mention [04:01] ScottL ok [04:01] len, i was going to do the multi-head documentation so it's a little more formalized (although i haven't read your link currently) [04:01] noting the testing was done for two use cases [04:01] these are the steps used to make it work for both [04:01] and these are the packages we tried and these are why they weren't chosen [04:02] those type of things [04:02] len, i don't have to do them, if you want to that would be great as well [04:02] I tried to do a and b, but not really c [04:02] but i just want something that users can use but also documents our experience so we don't have to relive this later on [04:03] len, there are other things that i wanted to tell you today but i can't remember now that i'm tired :P [04:03] If its easier send email [04:03] len, i can do that :) [04:03] also, don't forget to look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Roadmap and commit for something if you can [04:03] otherwise i'll end up doing it all myself [04:04] I know you must be a few hours ahead of me [04:04] it's 22:03 here [04:04] 2 hours then [04:06] i found the reprio.conf thingie earlier [04:08] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/ubuntustudio-meta/precise/revision/73 [04:08] this is where it was added, and it was quite a while ago [04:09] oct 2010 [04:09] I think the whole jack permissions thing is being thought about from what I have seen. [04:10] yeah, it should be [04:10] but for precise we should still fix what we can so it's clean [04:10] i think the ubuntustudio-meta (or ubuntustudio-audio within -meta) shouldn't add the other file if jackd is providing what it does [04:10] I was wondering though, on the live DVD install if jack is installed with rt permission or not [04:11] len, i'm guessing that the live user doesn't have permissions via the audio group [04:11] i'm surprised that the installed OS doesn't have -rt permissions though [04:11] len, i'm going to test this weekend as well, make a good list, ask others for what they noticed, and then hit up cjwatson about fixing some of it [04:12] On alt I get asked if I want rt, but not with live. A problem with ubiquity? [04:12] possibly, but i'm not sure about any of that stuff [04:12] i know crap about ubiquity, to be honest [04:12] ubiquity man page is pretty sparse [04:13] i think ubiquity has been called a black box a few times or voodoo or similar [04:13] I figured out more looking at its files [04:14] I could probably change the slideshow... though not the way it was intended to be changed ;-) [04:14] But the black box comment fits. [04:15] ScottL: Gotta go do my sons meds. Ill look for the email. [04:16] len, thanks :) [04:16] len, check out the guidelines as swell for the slideshow [04:23] ScottL: len: What happened to me, installing US from the live environment was that the user did not end up in audio group, the jack file /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf was installed, but renamed. There was no additional US file from the ubuntustudio-audio package [04:24] The renamed jack file became /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf.disabled [04:24] So, no rt priv for user [04:26] ailo: Normally at jack install we are asked if we want rt priv. but not with live install. [04:27] len: True. The installation proceeds as if we have answered yes [04:27] Whereafter the file that is installed as a consequence to answering yes is overrided [04:28] When jack asks if we want rt priv, it doesn't actually provide it. It just installs the file that gives rt priv to audio group [04:28] Namely /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf [04:30] I suspect installing the old way (not from the live environment) will put user to audio group [04:31] If it is the same as it used to be. I realize things have changed a lot since gnome2 install [04:43] Since it does affect security, I suppose it's bad not getting the question. Perhaps ubiquity is not designed to do this? [04:48] ailo: ubiquity docs seem to be pretty sparse [04:52] i'm planning on poking cjwatson about this after this weekend to see what else needs addressing [04:57] it would appear that only the 64 bit version of ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme is being built currently [04:58] but maybe i'm wrong :/ [04:58] sorry, it appears that only a 32 bit version is being built [04:58] is anyone running a 32 bit version of 12.04 currently? could be ubuntu or xubuntu or *buntu 12.04 [04:59] ScottL: are there binary components in that package? [04:59] micahg, do you mean does it generate a .deb file? [05:00] no [05:00] oh, you mean like an image? [05:00] I mean is there anything compiled in the package? right now, it's arch: all [05:00] this is where i'm looking: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme/0.2 [05:00] yes, but what's insid [05:00] e [05:01] it looks like 0.1 was never pushed to repos and 0.2 appears to only be i386 [05:01] it's an arch all package (which means architecture independent) [05:01] micahg, i'm not sure to be honest, i'll poke around [05:02] micahg, doesn't look like it [05:03] ScottL: it's just conf files, it's fine [05:03] just /user and /etc and /debian directories [05:03] and conf files unde the first two [05:03] oh, you typed that too [05:03] sorry, getting a bit tired [05:04] but, micahg , if i type 'apt-cache search ubuntustudio-*' i don't get the -lightdm-theme package [05:04] i'm on 64 bit install [05:04] synaptic can't find it either [05:04] I see it... [05:04] is your mirror up to date? [05:04] i 'refreshed' in synaptic [05:04] are you on precise? [05:04] but i'll do a sudo apt-get upgrade [05:05] errr update [05:05] it was built almost 3 months ago [05:05] errrrr, no [05:05] micahg, i'm an idiot, sorry [05:05] i'm using oneirc right now on this laptop [05:05] right, it's precise only [05:06] yeah, i see my logic now [05:06] i had thought it had been built for oneiric originally [05:06] i thought it had been included in the 11.10 ISO actually [05:07] nope, it was supposed to be, but didn't get sponsored IIRC [05:07] as i poked around seeing if rev 2 had been uploaded or not (which would cause the background to not work as it looked) i noticed it wasn't there [05:07] yeah, that makes sense [05:08] i'm going to install the precise live-dvd by this weekend and look at it [05:08] i suppose i could always get the source and build local to see it as well, but i can wait...plus it might not even build properly [05:09] me being on oneiric [05:09] okay, it's quite a bit past my bedtime, good night [05:09] ScottL: you can just grab the deb from LP, nothing is really built, so it should work on oneiric as well [05:09] ScottL: GN Scott [05:10] We work in shifts [05:10] I just woke [05:10] micahg, oh, i see your point about binaries now, i think [05:10] ..up [05:10] yes, the word is overloaded :) [05:10] I was referring to binary vs text as opposed to binary vs source [05:11] i guess i've always viewed .deb files as binaries, but i can see that that isn't the case [05:11] no, they are :) [05:11] they're binary packages [05:12] oh, okay...i'll think more on this on the morrow ;) === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu [11:09] ScottL: Sorry, had fallen asleep already. I don't know, really. I see a lot of tasks have been taken care of, already (thanks guys! You're doing an awesome job!) [11:10] ScottL: Maybe we need to have a little discussion on what's most important at the moment, what's been done, and what's essential before the Alpha-2. [11:10] ScottL: Informal meeting this Sunday? [13:02] astraljava, the roadmap shows what i think is important at this point https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Roadmap [13:03] and it's broken out by milestone [13:03] i just want to make sure we are addressing all items remaining, items are prioritized correctly, and we are working effectively across those items [13:05] astraljava, i will absolutely be at a meeting this sunday [13:05] in about 4.5 hours i will be at my desk for 2 hours (all day meeting except for 2 hours during lunch) [13:06] we can talk more about work items during that time if you want [13:06] you seem to have vocally committed to many things, which is why i asked falktx to look at the ubiquity plugin since it's a pretty important piece of work currently [13:06] if you really want it and will focus on it, then great, we'll get falktx to do something else...because there is plent else to do [14:05] micahg: i am thinking clearer now [14:05] ScottL: Yeah, that would be good. So that's around 1730 UTC, right? [14:05] i know that .deb files are binaries, i can't just open a text file and read them [14:06] astraljava: i don't remember the time we usually do them but i will be there [14:06] micahg: and i understand the differentiation you meant on about binaries now, binary vs. text and binary vs source [14:07] we we're obviously dealing with source, but within the source we were also only dealing with text within the -lightdm-theme package [14:09] hi guys, I'm sorry to not have much time to spend here having fun with you :) I'm here just to inform you that I've sync'd mudita24 for Precise [14:15] scott-work: .deb files are practically just containers. You can extract them with `dpkg -x .deb` [14:17] Well, there's not much point to test the package then, as it's already there. :) Gotta love the guy. Too bad he had to leave. [14:42] Groups, security.. there's no such thing as a perfect system. There's just what you want to achieve and trying to find an energy efficient way to do that [14:43] Or should I say, a fun way to do things [14:43] i like how falk did it with KX [14:44] it was a bit clunky, though functional, and totally fixed this at install [14:46] holstein: What bothered me the most was that the desktop was slow [14:46] ailo: live? [14:46] it wont be fast [14:46] Well, it was heavy on the graphics [14:47] Other than that, it was cool [14:49] i find it similar to the normal live CD's [14:49] i should say i havent actually loaded ours up, but thte 64studio one, the new dynebolic, the others too... [14:49] holstein: I don't think it was only the live CD [14:50] I mean, loading applications is slow on live CD's, not running them [14:50] And the graphics should not be slow [14:50] interesting [14:50] Especially on a multimedia system [14:50] i was hoping XFCE would help us a bit [14:50] The US live DVD was slow for me, but there was some bug having to do with dbus [14:51] I get it sometimes with my normal Precise install as well [14:51] The US live DVD was using up a lot of CPU [14:51] maybe its kernel+your hardware related? [14:51] Don't think it will later on [14:51] Nope, it's a bug [15:03] ailo: Have you looked through all the normal logs, ie. .xsession-errors, /var/log/syslog and the likes? [15:04] astraljava: I haven't had time to test it anymore than that. I'll try again at a later stage [15:04] ailo: Yeah ok. No rush. I'll try to give it a spin too one of these days. [15:47] astraljava: i plan to give the live-dvd a workout this weekend, can you help me with what to look for in the logs? [15:47] i want to go to cjwatson early next week with a comprehensive list of things we would like addressed wiht the live-dvd [15:51] scott-work: Yeah, I'm planning to do that, too, maybe tomorrow or at least over the weekend. [16:09] hi again guys [16:10] ScottL, are you around? [16:10] scott-work, ehy, maybe this is the right nickname to ping :) [16:10] Hey Alessio. And thanks again for your excellent work on mudita24! [16:13] astraljava, thank you! :) I need an ACK from UbuntuStudio's devs to going ahead with bug #922036 [16:13] Launchpad bug 922036 in glame (Ubuntu) "Audiofile 0.3.x transition" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/922036 [16:13] I'll have a look. [16:17] quadrispro: hydrogen is being directly seeded. Do you want us (US) to rebuild and test before proceeding with this? [16:19] astraljava, I tried to rebuild it on (and Ubuntu ships the same version of) Debian before starting the transition for Wheezy [16:19] and that's the result [16:19] http://debomatic64.debian.net/audiofile/hydrogen.log [16:20] so, there would be no pain [16:20] astraljava, would hydrogen be the only package seeded? [16:21] quadrispro: I will have to go through the list carefully, but that's the first thing I noticed. [16:22] quadrispro: Can I get a list of affected packages in text format somehow from LP? [16:22] quadrispro: I mean apart from c&p'ing. :) [16:28] quadrispro: Well at least it's now easier to c&p from the bugmail. :) [16:33] quadrispro: Yes, hydrogen is the only one directly seeded. I suppose the dependencies should be checked too, though? [16:37] which deps? [16:43] quadrispro: Deps for the seeded apps? [16:45] astraljava, everything should be OK [16:45] astraljava, if you want, you could check twice with apt-rdepends [16:46] astraljava, remember to use --reverse, point your attention to the libaudiofile0, that is the binary which will change name [16:47] I can give you a pastebin of the reverse deps if you like [16:49] micahg: That'd be awesome, thanks! [16:51] hmm...pastebinit is broke, one sec [16:52] No rush. [16:53] nope, Ubuntu pastebin is broke, http://paste.debian.net/153724/ [16:55] FYI, there's also a reverse-depends tool in ubuntu-dev-tools now [16:57] Oh cool, will look into that one. Thanks, micahg! [16:59] quadrispro: i am here (but will need to run itno a meeting again soon) [17:00] micahg: quadrispro: Have I understood it correctly, though, that I should cross-reference that list with ~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntustudio.precise/audio-common.depends too? [17:00] * scott-work is reading backscroll now between alessio and janne [17:02] looks like astraljava is already handling this :) thanks janne [17:02] scott-work: I'm on it. That doesn't mean it'll be sorted, though. *grin* [17:03] lol :) [17:03] but at least you can help suss out what is going on currently [17:03] astraljava: I can do better for you :) [17:03] micahg: Oh? Do tell. [17:04] ehy micahg, how are you? [17:04] scott-work, yes, you have understood correctly :) [17:05] hi quadrispro :) [17:05] astraljava: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntustudio.precise/rdepends/ALL/libaudiofile0 [17:05] quadrispro: I'm good [17:05] and you? [17:06] astraljava: as cjwatson keeps telling us, let's not reinvent germinate :) [17:06] micahg: Did you have something to do with the libav*-extra* packages? The image failed to build because of those. [17:07] micahg: Excellent! [17:07] astraljava: yes, today's image should be fine [17:07] as in the one being generated in an hour [17:07] micahg: Ahh... sorry, I confused the date. [17:07] micahg: And thanks for the lesson-of-the-day, great learning experience. :) [17:08] good, back home just yesterday from Germany, I stayed there with my girlfriend to breathe a bit of European air and now, after a week-off, I've so many things to deal with [17:08] I was waiting for siretart to upload libav-extra to Debian, but it never happened, I finally poked him yesterday and he did it [17:08] Good, good. [17:08] quadrispro: aren't you based in Europe? (Italy) [17:09] micahg, yes in Italy, but our air is not so European :) [17:09] guys, please give me a feedback on the report and I'll sync the package [17:09] heh, it should be cleaner being surrounded by the Mediterranean [17:11] quadrispro: xjadeo in video seed matches [17:12] quadrispro: Also, gimp-gap in graphics. [17:12] But that's it. [17:18] scott-work: I don't think I have permissions to create new US branches (only to edit them). can you create one for ubiquity, similar to edubuntu? (or maybe just copy everything over) [17:19] astraljava, xjadeo? it doesn't seems so, at least doesn't have a direct dep on libaudiofile0 [17:19] falktx: You are in the team, though, so you should be able to. [17:20] not sure, last time I tried it failed [17:20] quadrispro: Not direct, no. Am I reading the link micahg posted wrong, then? [17:20] astraljava, gimp-gap, the same, it seems to not match :/ [17:20] falktx: Please pastebin the output, if you have problems still. [17:22] quadrispro: mplayer -> mencoder -> xjadeo, which is in video seed. Does that not count? [17:23] no, because the shlib will change (libaudiofile0 -> libaudiofile1), if a package doesn't have a direct dep on libaudiofile0 it won't be touched [17:23] quadrispro: Ahh... ok then. Yeah, if that's the case, then hydrogen is the only one. [17:24] ok [17:50] D00Ds! [17:50] the live CD is *nice* [17:51] the little loading screen thing is *so* cool [17:51] who made that? [17:51] the ubuntustudio - linux for creative humans graphic? [17:54] w0w... right out of the box! [17:54] JACK starts... no fuss [17:55] just internal hardware on a laptop right now, but that is impressive! [17:55] holstein: No realtime though [17:55] ailo: right... but still! [17:55] w00t! [17:55] It's great to finally have it [17:55] I mean the live DVD [17:55] and have it lookins so polished already [17:56] ailo: you know how the xrun counter is there? [17:56] what is the other #? [17:57] its like "3 (33)" or whatever [17:57] i know 3 is xruns.. what is 33 again? [17:57] holstein: Isn't it 33 xruns, and three something else? [17:57] Check the messages [17:57] even at this stage, live, and on internal hardware, with generic kernel and no RT, im getting "0 (1)" [17:58] ailo: yeah... looks like that is the case [17:58] XRUN callback (1) [17:58] i have "cannont lock down memory erea" [17:59] i could literally throw something right now im so excited about it! [17:59] that loading screen is very nice [17:59] scott-work: was that yours? [17:59] holstein: I believe ScottL made that for Oneiric [18:00] It's been around for some while, but it would either not work or flash by too quickly to be seen. It's nice to have it on the live DVD [18:00] OH snap! [18:00] pulse audio jack sink running out of the box! [18:00] very nice! [18:00] holstein: Do you get sound? [18:00] I didn't from the pulse sink [18:01] i get yoshimi [18:01] lemme try something via pulse [18:02] holstein: Make sure it's not muted or something [18:02] ailo: im finding the live UI very responsive [18:02] holstein: Whatever is loaded into ram will be very responsive [18:03] holstein: When you load a program, it'll take some time. First time you open the main menu, it takes a bit of time [18:03] But, running programs is not slower at all [18:03] Once it's in RAM, it's just like normal [18:04] yup.. i think its a little faster with XFCE though [18:05] this is a fastish machine that im not used as well... [18:06] holstein: It's not faster than gnome3 [18:08] i havent tried gnome3 live yet [18:08] yeah, no pulse via JACK for me out of the box [18:08] still!... im stoked [18:09] holstein: The point is this. Nothing is fast until it's loaded into RAM. Programs, menus, you name it [18:09] a wallpaper and a theme, and we are good UI-wise [18:09] yeah, i get that... i just think loading from CD seems faster [18:09] in XFCE, than what im used to... but it could be this box [18:10] or that im just so damn excited about it :) [18:10] holstein: Don't think the box should matter too much. Did you burn a DVD, or is it from usb stick? [18:10] DVD [18:10] holstein: Than maybe the DVD player reads faster than another machine you have [18:10] i wanted to go for what i thought would be slowest [18:11] falktx_: i will see what i can do about the bzr branch, can you make a personal one under you launchpad account for now? [18:11] holstein: i made the plymouth theme from what cory brought to me [18:11] scott-work: that is *too* bad man! [18:12] it really sets the tone, i think [18:12] holstein: Also, I wouldn't compare with Unity for example until it's final release. And, it would also depend on how many services are started [18:16] i'm glad you are excited about this holstein, it makes me feel excited as well :) [18:16] scott-work: im installing.. and its not curses!.. not that there anything wrong with that [18:20] this installer slideshow is not a dealbreaker for me [18:20] maybe we can just chill it out a bit [18:20] just use thoes slides we already have on the site [18:21] that would give us some consistency [18:21] and thats something that is in theory already done, and easy to just bring over [18:23] i joined ubuntu-installer.. ill poke around a bit about it [18:23] if its that eays, why not... [18:23] easy* [18:23] one thing to check off the long-ish list [18:24] MAN.. id like to just have that loading graphic there! :) [18:25] 13:24 < cjwatson> the ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu source package has slideshows for several flavours of Ubuntu, and builds ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu, ubiquity-slideshow-xubuntu, ... binary packages [18:25] 13:24 < cjwatson> so it would probably be best to make a branch of lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu and add ubuntustudio bits to it [18:28] scott-work: is that something we can do? [18:28] we meaning you ;) [18:28] or should i try and get a helper over there? [18:31] holstein: Are you a member of ~ubuntustudio-dev? If so, then yes, you can, too. [18:31] holstein: yes it is, it's on the roadmap already [18:31] holstein: also, the guildelines are already linked as well as the code in the roadmap [18:32] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Roadmap [18:32] i will ask everyone again to look at the roadmap [18:32] i remember having seen it there [18:32] * please make sure all items needed for precise are there [18:32] * please make sure you think items are in the right milestone [18:32] * please sign up for stuff so we can cover any holes [18:32] thank you [18:33] i have also tried to link the relevant blueprint or otherwise required information there [18:33] my install is not booting :/ [18:33] drag... [18:34] i could likely take that on then [18:34] assuming i can use the site graphics [18:34] i'm going to update the xubuntu slideshow too, so i might as well work on the studio slideshow [18:34] as long as somebody gives me the content on time [18:35] holstein, if you want it though, feel free to take the item :) [18:35] knome: that would be incredibly helpful, maybe holstein can help you though [18:35] [18:35] knome: COOL [18:35] nah... dont wait on me [18:35] keep in mind about teh roadmap... [18:35] i'm not sure how much there is to "help" [18:35] i have to learn how to do it [18:35] we can always do things early :P [18:35] i mean, it's quite simple, the slideshow stuff [18:35] you basically just drop in stuff [18:36] scott-work: im going more on what i can do, rather than the timeline for the moment [18:36] holstein: i bet if you can help knome define the content, he can make it happen code wise [18:36] yup. [18:36] although there isn't much code stuff really, considering we should be coyping and pasting a lot of it [18:36] just get me the content (as with the website), and i'll handle it [18:36] i even have push rights for the slideshow branch, so that's not a problem either [18:36] knome: im in.. [18:37] maybe i can fake our look and feel? [18:37] get some screenies going [18:37] your choice :) [18:37] the website is just easy, thats all [18:37] knome: when are you doing xubuntu? [18:37] no idea yet [18:37] but doesn't need to happen at the same time [18:38] knome: cool [18:38] we're mostly updating the text and switching one or two shots [18:38] wonder if i can update the menu... [18:38] if there is a bug or work item that can be assigned to me, it would help :) [18:38] which menu? the website? [18:38] im assuming the XFCE menu for US [18:39] ah [18:39] probably, that's not too hard either [18:39] though i dont mind whats there [18:41] scott-work, ? [18:42] holstein: the menu is meant to be the ubuntu studio menu since we moved to xfce [18:42] i don't believe it will be showing the audio production menu properly [18:42] its not bad [18:42] i think all the multimedia stuff will all be under multimedia [18:42] a lot shouldn't be but should be under audio prodcution [18:42] yup.. audio production is under multimedia [18:42] i think only the "desktop" type apps should be under multimedia [18:43] eh.. i could go either way [18:43] "desktop" meaning totem, audacious, etc [18:43] it used to be similar to this [18:43] just under "audio" or whatever it was [18:43] scott-work, when do you think you would have time for the website stuff? i think we should get in contact with the IS soon again to get the site to staging [18:43] scott-work, also, would you please create me a work item in the appropriate blueprint for the slideshow. thanks! :) [18:43] knome: can we say withint two weeks? is that too long for you? i mean to be "done" with my part [18:44] well, there's only some decisions really [18:44] knome: i can do that re: blueprint [18:44] what to do with the "featured area" [18:44]