/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/01/27/#kubuntu-devel.txt

mikecblol, really started a bandwagon00:22
ScottKRiddell: Yes.05:56
ScottKRiddell: That's exactly the right list.  We want upstream to hear good things about KDE from Kubuntu users.05:57
afiestasagateau: How can I populate the QMenu returned from DBusMenuImporter ? the submenus within that menu are empty 08:20
RiddellScottK: seen http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/pipermail/pyqt/2012-January/031042.html ?11:15
Riddell"PyQt4 fails to build dbus.mainloop.qt extension withPython 3"11:15
Peace-var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-widgets-addons_4%3a4.8.0-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa3_amd64.deb11:21
Peace-E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)11:21
RiddellPeace-: needs more context11:23
Riddellare there overlapping files errors?11:24
RiddellScottK: posted http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/pipermail/pyqt/2012-January/031043.html11:24
RiddellScottK: wow that pyqt upstream is awesome11:37
Riddell"qreal got changed to double for some reason. It will be fixed in tonight's                                                                                   11:37
Riddellsnapshot."11:37
Riddellyou don't get much more responsive than that11:37
RiddellScottK: although I can't find the double he's referring too, I guess it needs to wait for a snapshot to appear11:44
apachepandaRiddell: on arm? didn't we request that arm be aligned with the other archs?11:45
Riddellapachepanda: you mean to allow arm to use double?11:45
apachepandano11:45
apachepandatypedef double qreal11:45
apachepandaon arm11:45
apachepandait used float before11:45
apachepandawhich was the #1 issue with kde arm building because devs assumed qreal == double11:46
Riddellapachepanda: that can't be done without breaking binary compatibility11:46
apachepandawell11:46
apachepandaif that was changed :P11:46
* apachepanda has no Qt48 here, so he can't check :P11:46
Riddellit would mean renaming all the binary packages and recompiling rdepends which NCommander has been against11:47
Peace-Riddell: sorry the guys that had that problem is gone 11:48
Peace-Riddell: see this instead http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-plasma-desktopc1300511:48
Peace-Riddell: on konsole11:49
RiddellPeace-: does any pyqt or pykde programme run?11:49
Peace-check11:49
Peace-Riddell: nope11:49
apachepandahttp://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/blobs/4.8/src/corelib/global/qglobal.h#line116911:51
apachepandaI dunno what that double business is about11:51
Peace-Riddell: btw i am on 12.04  kde 4.811:51
Riddellapachepanda: it means it's float on ARM and double elsewhere11:52
Riddellwhich is why we have problems11:52
apachepandawhat?11:52
apachepandait always has been this way11:52
Riddellapachepanda: yes it has, I know, I'm not sure what your point is11:52
apachepanda<Riddell> "qreal got changed to double for some reason. It will be fixed in tonight's11:53
apachepanda<Riddell> snapshot."11:53
apachepandawhat is this about then?11:53
Riddellapachepanda: in one file in pyqt a use of "qreal" got changed to "double"11:53
apachepandaah11:53
Riddellis what I read it as11:53
apachepandanow I get it11:53
Riddelland he'll fix it for tonights snapshot11:54
apachepandathat of course makes more sense ^^11:54
Riddell(would be nicer if she had public revision control so we can see the fix already but oh well)11:54
apachepandaso the double == qreal assumption bites again ^^11:54
ScottKRiddell: You might reply to the thread before it on dbus mainloop with barry's patch.11:54
Riddells/she/he/11:54
kubotuRiddell meant: "(would be nicer if he had public revision control so we can see the fix already but oh well)"11:54
RiddellScottK: where is that?11:54
ScottKRiddell: It's in the latest pyqt4 upload.11:55
ScottKpy3fixes or such.11:55
RiddellPeace-: ok I'm not on 12.04 yet but I'll be sure to test it when doing alpha 2 testing next week11:55
Riddellamarok with kdelibs 4.8 fix uploaded to precise and kubuntu-ppa/backports11:56
ScottKRiddell: Is the qtwebkit-source issue on arm* fixed?  AFAIK it's not, so I think it's worth continuing to mention in the release meeting input.11:57
Riddellmm right11:58
ScottKJust checked and it's still FTBFS.11:58
Riddellblocked on infinity still then11:59
ScottKYes.11:59
ScottKAlso, I think it's worth a mention that all of our image builds failed last night due to a resolve.conf issue.  I know foundations is aware of it, but no desktop images of any kind until it's fixed.12:00
Riddell"our" being kubuntu or all ubuntu?12:01
ScottKActuall /etc/resolv.conf (slight misspelling)12:01
ScottKAll.12:01
apachepanda!find core/ntstatus.h12:01
ubottuFile core/ntstatus.h found in samba4-dev12:01
RiddellScottK: will do12:01
ScottKThat one was a big enough deal it's likely fixed already, but I think it's worth asking about.12:02
Tm_Tsounds... fun12:02
Tm_TScottK: what kind of problem there is, considering it's mostly generated file?12:02
ScottKIt wasn't getting installed, so there was some kind of dangling symlink issue and the live image build failed.12:03
ScottKNot sure why.12:03
Tm_Toookkei12:03
RiddellScottK: oh I found the mysterious use of double, I think I'll patch it to qreal and upload12:04
ScottKRiddell: Excellent.12:05
* ScottK doesn't get how it built before then ...12:05
Riddellthere's an if (qt 4.8) involved so something different happening for older qt12:06
ScottKAh.  OK.  That would explain it.12:08
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debfxRiddell: can I remove all the ibus stuff from kdeplasma-addon's debian/ ?12:44
Riddelldebfx: I don't know, there's a whole spec about that12:46
Riddellhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-kubuntu-cjk12:46
Riddellneeds looking into kimtoy and the kimpanel rewrite12:46
Riddelland working out what to do from there12:47
debfxok, I have no idea about ibus but plasma-widget-kimpanel depends on plasma-widget-kimpanel-backend-ibus which is NBS12:49
debfxso that needs fixing12:49
debfxalso we don't install ibus-gtk{,3} by default12:50
Riddellif you want to do a quick fix for now that's all good12:52
Riddellas long as we keep in mind there's more to do12:52
debfxshould I add "Get ibus-gtk and ibus-gtk3 onto the cd" to the spec?12:54
Riddelldebfx: maybe "Investigate is we should..." since it might have issues of space or pulling in gtk stuff we don't want12:55
debfxRiddell: we have all the dependencies on the cd except gtk which we can drop from the package12:58
debfxwe have done the same with appmenu-gtk12:58
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Riddelldebfx: sounding good but I'd still like "Investigate" on the spec item :)13:00
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BluesKajHey all13:15
Riddellhi BluesKaj 13:15
Peace-BluesKaj: hey13:19
BluesKajHi Riddell , Peace-13:22
Peace-BluesKaj: :) tested?13:33
BluesKajgonna check to see my /etc/resolv.conf settings hold on a reboot ..brb13:33
* shadeslayer waves fist at the build farm13:35
Riddellshadeslayer: waiting on something?13:41
shadeslayerRiddell: kdevelop backports13:41
shadeslayerkdevplatform took a entire day to build13:41
shadeslayerand then kdevelop went into dep wait ( 1386 ), retried build, will build in 11 Hours13:42
shadeslayerboth are in staging13:42
* Peace- kde doesn't start xD 11.2 gig full root13:44
shadeslayeroh btw, dragon makes X crash13:45
shadeslayerand vlc segfaults, hence I cannot play any videos13:45
Riddellumm13:45
* Riddell scared to try it now13:45
shadeslayerheh :P13:46
shadeslayerI have the x staging repo enabled, I think that makes a difference13:46
Riddellbug 919460 looks like we need to have a first run wizard on kgpg13:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 919460 in kubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Default config path setting for Kgpg is out of date" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91946013:46
Peace-shadeslayer: nice xD13:47
shadeslayerRiddell: hmm .. apt want's to remove amarok, intended?13:47
Riddellno13:49
Riddellbut I don't know what you're trying to do13:49
shadeslayerapt-get dist-upgrade14:00
Riddellon precise?14:01
Riddellcan you work out why?14:01
shadeslayeryep, I don't know where to start though ;)14:02
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Riddellshadeslayer: do the upgrade, then see what happens when you install amarok14:03
shadeslayerRiddell: http://paste.kde.org/193970/14:03
shadeslayermaybe amarok hasn't built yet14:03
Riddelloh achive skew14:04
Riddellbuilt on i386 but not amd64 maybe14:04
shadeslayeractually, built on everything except armel14:04
shadeslayerso probably publishing skew14:04
BluesKajhmm, my /etc/resolv.conf is suddenly being overwritten at boot by this ,  # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) #     DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN14:05
BluesKajoops wrong chat14:08
RiddellScottK: do you know what I need to do to bug 922601 to get it being picked up by backport-helper.py ?14:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 922601 in Oneiric Backports "Please backport networkmanagement 0.9.0~rc4-0ubuntu1 from precise to oneiric" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92260114:24
Riddelland will you ack it?14:24
shadeslayerwhee, telepathy-qt4 almost done14:42
BluesKajRiddell,  is there some  Dynamic resolv.conf app that's over writing my resolv.conf file and preventing my dns entries from being resolved ...I have to edit it each time I boot in order to connect to the internet14:42
RiddellBluesKaj: dunno but network manager probably likes to be incharge of that14:44
Riddellshadeslayer: new library?14:44
BluesKajRiddell,  I don't use NM14:44
Riddellshadeslayer: wanting to be out telepathy-kde ninja since Quintasan_ hasn't appeared?14:45
Riddells/out/our/14:45
kubotuRiddell meant: "shadeslayer: wanting to be our telepathy-kde ninja since Quintasan_ hasn't appeared?"14:45
shadeslayerRiddell: sure, I just got tp-qt4 fixed upstream14:45
shadeslayerRiddell: also, yes, new release of telepathy-qt4 ( 0.9.0 )14:47
apachepandau no14:47
shadeslayerhey apachepanda14:47
apachepandawe could like make kubuntu-packagers a member of telpath-kde :P14:47
Riddellwell we shouldn't need a separate team for telepathy if we bring it into kubuntu normal14:48
Riddellshadeslayer: so that's a yes to you packaging telepathy-kde?14:49
shadeslayersure, but it'll take some time, I can't do it right away in the next 2-3 days14:49
shadeslayerProbably after the 1st when I'm back home14:49
shadeslayergtg, dinner14:51
shadeslayercya14:51
ScottKRiddell: No.  Sorry.14:57
Riddellshadeslayer: cool thanks14:59
RiddellScottK: a mystery then14:59
ScottKRiddell: Looking good on PyQt4.  Thanks.  I did subscribe to the upstream list just now.15:03
debfxoh a bug triaging volunteer on the kubuntu-devel list ;)15:19
apachepandathat's what I thought ^^15:19
apachepandawhere is our artist -.-15:20
apachepandaneve rhere when I remember why I needed him 3 months ago15:20
apachepanda-.-15:20
yofelBluesKaj: if you get that message in your resolv.conf you probably have 'resolvconf' installed16:05
yofelah, +1 cleared it up16:07
BluesKajyofel,  yes I do , but it wants to take ubuntu minimal out with it 16:10
yofelo.O16:11
* yofel checks16:11
yofelwas added in the last ubuntu-meta upload - without reasoning16:12
micahgyofel: there is reasoning16:13
yofelwhich is16:13
yofel?16:13
micahgI saw it somewhere :)16:14
BluesKajwonder if there's a safe way to get rid of it , or disable it at least ...seems unecessary to me16:14
micahgBluesKaj: yes, changing it from a symlink to a file disables it16:14
yofelI don't quite understand why we need 2 applications editing the resolv.conf on a system by default, but oh well...16:15
apachepandayofel: so more things can go wrong16:16
micahgyofel: bug 92113516:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 921135 in resolvconf (Ubuntu) "[MIR] resolvconf" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92113516:16
BluesKajmicahg,  , i found a work around . By entering the dns namservers in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head the resolver sets them up in /etc/resolv.conf  , abit convoluted , but ti works16:17
* yofel dumps ubuntu-minimal16:18
micahgright, /etc/resolv.conf is a generated file16:18
shadeslayerokay, I've uploaded telepathy-qt4 0.9.0 to https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental?field.series_filter=precise16:18
micahgerr, a symlink to a generated file now :)16:18
BluesKajyofel,  you dumped ubuntu minimal ? , have you rebooted since ?16:21
Riddellshadeslayer: wanting me to review and upload?16:22
yofelnah, I'll do that later and see what happens ^^16:22
shadeslayerRiddell: yup, plus, I need to see if it installs fine as well, haven16:22
shadeslayer*haven't tested that16:22
shadeslayer11 Hours @_@16:24
Riddellshadeslayer: quicker to do it locally I'd think16:24
shadeslayerRiddell: yeah, I'll just rsync the packages from yofel's machine now16:24
Riddell<apachelogger> quicker to do it on OBS </apachelogger>16:24
shadeslayerhaha :D16:24
yofelyou could use ninjas - that has a higher build priority16:24
* yofel did that for oxygen-gtk :P16:25
shadeslayermeh, that would be unfair 16:25
yofelor OBS, right ^^16:25
shadeslayeror just rsync packages, tar and upload to p.u.c16:26
shadeslayer:P16:26
apachepandaas a matter of fact, you might be faster to get debs out of build.opensuse.org than lunchpad :P16:27
Riddellmy prediction was correct16:28
shadeslayerI've never used OBS, so absolutely no idea how to upload stuff there16:31
yofelI've an account there, need to redo the local setup though16:31
shadeslayerAnd the debs generated seem to be a older version, re building ....16:32
BluesKajyofel,  don't think it's a good idea to remove ubuntu-minimal... updates require it to be installed just for starters16:32
yofelhm, good point, I'll add it back16:32
yofelshadeslayer: IIRC it builds for whatever release you upload for, as long as you upload proper debian source packages16:34
yofelit has a simplier way to create debs, but that's hacky16:34
shadeslayeryofel: oh, so if I upload the changes file like I do to launchpad, it'll work?16:34
shadeslayerI thought you had to write a spec file and what not16:34
yofelshould, it doesn't use dput though but you need to send it there in an svn-style way16:34
shadeslayer:S16:35
Riddellany issues we have for alpha 2?16:36
RiddellI think we're ok for it16:36
yofelwasn't python-qt broken? (didn't try today)16:36
apachepandashadeslayer, yofel: you need to upload a regular debian source16:36
apachepandaor a range of other options spanning the area between debian sources and rpm sources16:36
Riddellyofel: only on arm and it looks like I've fixed it16:37
yofelhm, I did get segfaults on amd64 from SIP though yesterday16:37
yofelI'll recheck later16:38
Riddellyofel: ah that's what peace- was saying earlier16:38
shadeslayeryofel: can you empty /var/cache/pbuilder/precise-amd64/result/ on your server?16:40
yofelpurged16:40
shadeslayerawesome16:41
shadeslayerI left out one small thing in the rules file and the debs go kaboom when installing16:41
shadeslayerhttp://paste.kde.org/194048/16:47
apachepandaI lold16:47
ScottKUploading kubuntu-meta - finishes the calligra transition16:52
RiddellScottK: needs arm working as well16:53
ScottKApparently it built.16:53
Riddellon arm?16:53
ScottKStill building16:54
ScottKSo I guess it's done on armhf.16:54
ScottK(I was uploading for adding python-qt4-dbus) - just got calligra-dev on armhf as a bonus16:55
ScottKSince you made me look it up.16:57
ScottKRiddell: PyQt4 succeeded on armel too, so we're all good.17:03
Riddellwow17:03
ScottKNice shot in the dark.17:04
Riddellgo Jani17:04
Riddellsome new queue processing and kubuntu-meta doing should do it17:04
RiddellI can do later or you can do as is convenient17:04
ScottKOnce calligra is done on armel, whatever day that is.17:04
debfxyofel: pyqt4/sip crashes too here17:09
yofel:/17:09
debfxlet's do some downgrading to see whose fault it is17:10
Riddelldebfx: wibble17:10
shadeslayerderp, the docs are located at the exact same location, but for some reason, they don't install now17:11
shadeslayerhttp://paste.kde.org/194054/17:12
debfxcrashes start with python-qt4 4.9-2ubuntu217:12
yofelbug 921963 btw. not sure why people keep filing precise stuff against kubuntu-ppa17:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 921963 in Kubuntu PPA "plasma-desktop crashes at start" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92196317:13
Riddellshadeslayer: doc/html is gone?17:13
shadeslayerI changed the contents of debian/libtelepathy-qt4-doc.docs from "doc/html" to "doc/html/*" and it builds, but no files are put into the binary17:13
shadeslayerRiddell: it's there17:13
shadeslayerobj-x86_64-linux-gnu/doc/html/ has a ton of files17:13
shadeslayer1816 to be precise17:14
shadeslayer:P17:14
yofelgot the full log with DH_VERBOSE=1 ?17:14
shadeslayerone sec17:14
shadeslayerhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/819046/17:18
shadeslayeryofel: ^17:18
yofelshouldn't that be usr/share/doc/html/* ?17:20
shadeslayerit was doc/html in the 0.8.0 version and it built fine17:20
shadeslayerdh_installdocs: cp -a usr/share/doc/html debian/libtelepathy-qt4-doc/usr/share/doc/libtelepathy-qt4-doc returned exit code 117:21
shadeslayersame thing17:21
shadeslayeryofel: line 170017:22
yofelwait, you put that in docs? does telepathy-qt4-0.9.0/doc/html/ contain something?17:23
shadeslayeruhhh .... nope, obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/doc/html/ contains the html docs17:23
yofelwell, docs is relative to the source root I believe. Use .install instead17:23
ScottKdebfx and yofel: What's the Sip4/PyQt4 issue?17:23
debfxScottK: bug #92272117:24
ubottuError: Launchpad bug 922721 could not be found17:24
shadeslayerderp, okay17:24
ScottK?17:24
debfxI hope the retracer comes up with something more useful17:24
shadeslayeryofel: install to usr/share/doc/html?17:24
ScottKdebfx: The bug is private?17:25
yofelshadeslayer: put that in telepathy-qt4-doc.install and it should work17:25
shadeslayeryep17:25
shadeslayeryofel: and remove the doc-base file as well?17:26
yofelnot sure what that was for17:26
debfxScottK: it's public now17:27
ScottKThanks.17:27
debfx(though you should be able to see private bugs as ~ubuntu-dev)17:28
ScottKCouldn't see that one for some reason.17:32
yofeldebfx: not until the retracer is done and has subscribed "apport crash triagers" or how that team is called17:32
yofelthat makes it visible for ubuntu-bc17:32
shadeslayeryofel: nope, still doesn't work17:32
* ScottK is in way over his head with this one.17:32
ScottKRiddell: I think it's going to be another 'ask upstream' question.17:33
yofelshadeslayer: :(17:33
shadeslayeryofel: I have this : debian/tmp/doc/html usr/share/doc/html17:33
yofelshadeslayer: hm... I just noticed it's not even installing the docs, just building them17:34
shadeslayeralso tried doc/html17:34
shadeslayerhmm17:34
yofeliirc there was a BUILDDIR variable or so, maybe use that in docs17:34
yofelor copy it manually in rules17:34
shadeslayerI'll use builddir17:34
shadeslayeryofel: huh, I tried this in docs : $(BUILDDIR)/doc/html17:42
shadeslayerstill fails17:42
yofelprobably doesn't work then, override dh_install, cp it and put it in .install again17:48
shadeslayerhow do i cp it if I can't use BUILDDIR :P17:49
shadeslayeroh, it's already in obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/ ?17:50
yofelwell, you said it's in obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/docs/html/ - and BUILDDIR will work in rules17:51
shadeslayerah ok17:51
shadeslayeruh, I think I forgot to mention that it uses cdbs17:51
shadeslayer:P17:51
ScottKbarry: Help.  See bugs 921963 and 922721.  The only code change from ubuntu1 -> ubuntu2 was your patch.17:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 922721 in python-qt4 (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #921963 python-qt4 applications crash since 4.9-2ubuntu2" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92272117:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 922721 in python-qt4 (Ubuntu) "python-qt4 applications crash since 4.9-2ubuntu2" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92272117:52
yofelshadeslayer: bad boy17:56
* yofel has 0 knowledge of cdbs17:56
shadeslayerlikewise17:56
* shadeslayer pokes the debian maintainer17:57
shadeslayerwe have been spoiled by debhelper17:58
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barryScottK: thanks, looking18:14
ScottKThanks.18:14
shadeslayerdebfx: could you help me with this cdbs stuff?18:27
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ScottKRiddell: Is there a public VCS for PyQt4 upstream (where are these snapshots they mention on the list)?18:59
ScottKbarry: Apparently upstream has a fix for dbus.cpp as well that's in their nightly snapshot, but I don't know where to find it to compare.  Hopefully Riddell can tell us.  Not sure how much it'll help though since it's described as completely untested.19:02
yofelScottK: maybe the snapshots at the bottom of http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/software/pyqt/download19:06
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DarkwingQuintasan_: ping19:19
ScottKyofel: Looks promising.  Thanks.19:25
ScottKThat's it, not new enough.19:29
jussiis the crash notifier something from kubuntu or KDE? (either way, its useless now)20:08
jussiie. I click it and it gives me a notification that "an application has crashed on your system, now or in the past" nothing more. 20:09
jussitotally useless information20:09
yofelthat's apport, and from ubuntu20:10
yofelcheck /var/crash20:11
Darkwingis there a built ARM image for nvidia terga?20:16
Darkwingi know we have omap3 and omap4...20:16
debfxshadeslayer: I don't know much about cdbs but I can try20:19
shadeslayerdebfx: okay, so I want to install the generated HTML docs from telepathy-qt4 20:20
shadeslayerthe docs are generated in the usual builddir, but I can't seem to use the BUILDDIR variable in the .docs file20:22
yofelI was proposing that for rules, but that would be dh720:22
shadeslayer^20:22
yofelmaybe you know a cdbs solution, or how to patch cmake to actually install the docs20:22
debfxshadeslayer: I guess you can install the docs in a "binary-post-install/<doc package>::" target20:43
shadeslayerdebfx: yeah, I was thinking of that too, but is there no way that we can use the builddir variable in a .doc file?20:46
shadeslayeror ... drop the doc files since we had a discussion about this earlier on kde-packagers, shipping qch documentation with packages20:48
debfxshadeslayer: not unless you want to bump debian/compat to 9 and use the new executable configs feature20:48
shadeslayerthat would mean rewriting the entire rules files :)20:49
debfxwhy?20:49
shadeslayeroh, you mean just compat? I thought you meant dh7 20:50
debfxyeah those are independent20:50
shadeslayerheh, yeah, just tired, that is all20:51
debfxthough I'm not sure what you are trying to do. doesn't telepathy-qt4 already install the docs?20:51
shadeslayeryes, it does, but with 0.8 they had pre generated docs in telepathy-0.8.0/doc/html20:52
shadeslayerwith the 0.9.0 release, they had no doc/html folder20:52
shadeslayerinstead, they're generated by doxygen during the build in builddir/doc/html20:53
shadeslayerdebfx: ^20:58
shadeslayerI'm off to sleep, tired etc20:58
shadeslayernighters20:58
debfxah ok20:58
RiddellScottK: yes pyqt has no public repository, he's not into the collaborative development thing, nightly snapshots are at http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/software/pyqt/download21:29
barryRiddell: are you still around?23:35

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