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_calumHi. Is it possible to get openoffice to read out text aloud?00:03
ignashi guys, I've installed kubuntu on my lenovo T510, now I've got LAMP set up  and I'm trying to install netbeans. It installs well and runs too, but the problem is that I cannot see it neither in the software center nor it's listed in the context menu so I cannot choose to run a file in it00:07
ignaswhen i click on a file -> properties -> open with - it's not listed there either00:08
ignasany ideas?00:09
ignascan you at least see what i'm writing here lol00:10
ignasoh and it's netbeans for php00:11
James147ignas: we can see you, but be paitent, most people here only casualy check what people are saying00:15
James147ignas: but how did you install netbeans?00:16
ignasok no worries, i just figured maybe i need to register or something so people could see me :)00:16
ignasi downloaded the sh file from netbeans.org00:16
ignasinstalled java00:16
ignasand ran sudo sh netbeans-7...00:17
ignasthe installation was quite straight forward and had shown a success message00:17
James147ignas: thens thats why it hasnt created a menu and isnt in the software center... the software center only manages packages installed via the packagemanagment system (it cannt guess what you installed) and its likly the sh script didnt create the menu entries00:18
ignasis it possible to fix it somehow? I'm really a linux newbie00:18
James147hmm, strange... seems to be packaged for everything but oneiric -> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=netbeans :S00:20
James147ignas: you can add a menu entry by right clicking the menu -> edit menu : and add an entry00:21
James147ignas: though it is generally better to get a package for it00:22
ignasJames, the problem is the right click menu. Because if I have a file somewhere in some folder which I want to edit with netbeans - I basically can't because it is not listed in the open with section00:23
James147ignas: add a menu entry then you can set file associations00:24
LINKSWORD2Hey guys, I just burned a CD for upgrading, but I have forgotten how to upgrade Kubuntu using the CD itself.01:10
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sehvenhi03:24
sehvencan anyone guide me where to get the mp3 plugin for amarok?03:25
DasKreech!mp303:25
ubottuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/musicvideophotos/C/video.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats03:25
sehveni already tried  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras03:26
sehventhx ubottu! now i can see the fluendo in the package manager :)03:29
sehventhanks again! im off to check if all settings are saved. :D03:32
DasKreech:)03:33
juacom99Hi, 1 quick question, i got an enviroment variabel defined. and i don't know where i defined it. is ther any way to trace it?03:36
DasKreechjuacom99: Which variable?03:37
DasKreechI'm presuming this is Bsh?03:37
DasKreechBash03:37
juacom99DasKreech: JAVA_HOME03:37
juacom99i check in bashrc, /etc/profile, ~/.bash_profile and ther's nothing there03:37
juacom99DasKreech: yes is bash you presume well :P03:38
DasKreechI would suppose that's coming from the JAVA package03:41
juacom99DasKreech: i download the binaris from oracle's web03:43
juacom99then i install and add the enviroment variabel myself03:43
James147juacom99: just add it you ~/.bashrc03:44
James147it to your ^^03:44
DasKreechjuacom99: I thought you were looking for where you got the variable from?03:44
juacom99DasKreech: i'm kinnda am. I wanna know where i set the variabel in the firs please03:45
James147^^ or ~/.profile03:45
juacom99*kinnda03:45
juacom99James147: that will ovewite the vaiabel only form me03:45
juacom99i want to make it global :P03:46
James147juacom99: then in /etc/profile...03:46
juacom99yes but if is set on any of my profiles files it get overwited for me to the old value03:47
juacom99that's why i was looking where i export it in the first please03:47
James147juacom99: "cd /etc; grep -r "JAVA_HOME" ,03:48
juacom99cool that was what i was looking for ( i think)03:48
juacom99thanks bouth03:49
DasKreechor cd /home; sudo grep -r "JAVA_HOME"03:49
James147DasKreech: actually no, both commands will fail :) cd /etc; grep -r "JAVA_HOME" .    << need the . :)  or just do "grep -r 'JAVA_HOME' /etc"03:50
DasKreechJames147: I didn't get the cd in the first placee :)03:51
DasKreechnever understand why people do that03:51
* James147 needs to go to sleep, he isnt thinking stright03:51
James147DasKreech: I generally avoid it when giving commands, makes it less error prone. Just wasnt thinking today03:52
juacom99i foiunf it it was on /etc/environment03:52
juacom99*i Found it03:52
juacom99thanks guys03:52
James147hmm, was expecting /etc/profile.d/*03:52
DasKreechjuacom99: Ah good find. now I need to see when that gets called03:52
juacom99i'll move it to /etc/profile03:53
juacom99is the pleace where is supouse to be isn't it?03:54
DasKreechWould have bet that's sourced in /etc/profile03:54
DasKreechjuacom99: No It's correct where it is03:54
juacom99ok so /etc/enviroment is call from /etc/profile ?03:55
James147DasKreech: according to mine: # This file is parsed by pam_env module03:55
* James147 notes he is currently on archlinux so it might vary... but he dosnt see why03:56
juacom99James147: i only got 2 lines on /etc/enviroment03:57
juacom99PATH=<<some path here>>03:57
juacom99JAVA_HOME=<<The path to java home here>>03:57
juacom99tot even with export :|03:58
juacom99*not03:58
James147juacom99: because it isnt a shell script03:58
juacom99is just a plain text where it get the enviroment so he can export it?03:59
James147juacom99: from what i can tell its a config to define enviroment varibale that pam_env reads04:00
juacom99cool i didn't know that04:00
juacom99well i got to go to sleep now, thank you bouth again for the help04:01
James147yey, "find: File system loop detected; `/var/lib/btrfs/root/__active' is part of the same file system loop as `/'."  gota love btrfs :D04:01
juacom99cya04:02
DasKreechBye04:02
DasKreechJames147: It's mounted itself below itself?04:02
James147DasKreech: yeah :D04:02
DasKreechBy default?04:03
James147DasKreech: its intentional, btrfs can define subvolumes and mount them where it wants04:03
James147DasKreech: ^^ not really... but its the default layout for most distros that support btrfs: /dev/sda contains __active and __snapshot (__active being a subvolume that contains the root)04:04
DasKreechah04:04
James147and then you mount /dev/sda subvol __active as root and /dev/sda to somewhere in taht :D04:04
James147that way you can snapshot your root easly04:05
James147^^ that is default if you pick it as the root fs04:05
DasKreechso when you reference /dev/sda what are you pointing at?04:06
James147DasKreech: btrfs has a default subvol you can set (mine is unset atm, so the root of the filesystem)04:07
James147DasKreech: but it has the mount option "subvol=XXX" where XXX is a subvolume if you want to moutn that subvolume04:07
James147(also subvolid to reference them by their id, root is always 0 )04:08
James147DasKreech: o and I should probally note that my btrfs volumes arnt inside a partition, they are  writen directly on the disk (so to /dev/sdX rather then /dev/sdXY  ^^ though you can use a partition table if you want)04:12
DasKreechGPT?04:12
James147(and currently raid1ed across two disks)04:13
James147DasKreech: no, no partition table at all, but you can use gpt or modos tables if you want04:13
James147(I was just feeling adventrous when I set this up :D  )04:13
* James147 notes that linux dosnt really `need` a partition table... they are just conveint for splitting up the disk04:15
DasKreechI knw04:15
James147^^ well except for maby the bootloader... think that needs a partition table04:15
DasKreechJust easier for recovery04:16
James147DasKreech: thats what the raid1 is for :D04:16
DasKreechHardware RAID?04:16
James147DasKreech: btrfs raid04:16
DasKreechha ha And if the Mobo fails?04:17
James147DasKreech: motherboard? then i cry and buy a new computer04:17
James147move the disks and boot04:18
DasKreechRecover the RAID from Live CD?04:18
James147DasKreech: dont need to if mobo fails... jsut move the disks and boot :)04:18
James147DasKreech: if one drive fails then i can replace it easy enough04:19
James147DasKreech: and livecds should be able to read btrfs raid well enough...04:20
James147assuming they have support for it04:20
DasKreechJames147: Think most do04:20
James147these days they should04:21
James147though with brtfs being quite new grabbing a livecd with the latest btrfs tools would be a good idea04:21
James147which remindes me, i really need to get me usb install of arch working so i can use it as an uptodate vustamisable revocery disk :)04:22
DasKreechLay off the Vodca04:26
James147^^04:26
ibyte8bitsexit04:47
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Firefishehat is the name of the plasmoid widget, similar to Folder View, that let's you see a list of folders, and an open button in the top part of the widget's menu?  Quick Access or something?06:00
Firefishehat=what06:00
Shaan7Firefishe: yes Quick Access06:07
FirefisheShaan7: Does it have  a source file?06:07
Shaan7kernelpanic: i remember finding it on kde-look.org06:08
Shaan7kernelpanic: sorry06:08
Firefisheor can I download it from kdelook?06:08
Shaan7Firefishe: ^06:08
FirefisheShaan7: I found it.06:13
Shaan7cool :)06:14
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LINKSWORD2Hey guys, how would I create an SQL Database for Amarok?07:19
Tm_TLINKSWORD2: if you are going to use external database (which you don't need to), amarok does give the instructions07:20
LINKSWORD2Ok. Are there any free hosts for an SQL database?07:21
Tm_Twhy you want to run the database elsewhere than in your computer?07:22
LINKSWORD2I'd like to have an assured backup of my music... Something that doesn't get erased if I have to reinstall Kubuntu on this computer.07:23
sehvenhi07:25
sehvenwhat causes can't open /dev/sr0: no medium found?07:25
sehveni already tried disabling floopy from bios07:25
Shaan7sehven: faulty CD/DVD drive07:25
sehvenoh07:26
sehvenbut why run at first then not at reboot?07:26
Tm_TLINKSWORD2: the music files don't get stored to the database07:26
sehvenbtw im running it on a thumbdrive07:26
Shaan7thats weird, yep07:26
LINKSWORD2OK, then what DOES get stored?07:26
Tm_TLINKSWORD2: only the metadata (what is played and when, ratings etc) ... and that can be saved along the files07:26
Shaan7LINKSWORD2: MySQL will cry for help if you store actual music in it :P07:27
Tm_Tamarok's database IMHO is quite disposable07:27
LINKSWORD2lol07:27
* Shaan7 goes for lunch07:27
LINKSWORD2OK, I see that. Is there some way I can store my music separate from my computer... Other than BS databases like Google Music?07:27
sehvenbummer already installed fluendo but amarok crashes T_T07:27
sehvenhow about store it in another comp? access it via network07:28
Tm_TLINKSWORD2: ubuntuone?07:28
LINKSWORD2What is that? ;/07:29
Tm_TLINKSWORD2: or any external storage you have access to07:29
Tm_TLINKSWORD2: https://one.ubuntu.com/07:29
LINKSWORD2Ok, I'll check that out.07:31
Tm_TLINKSWORD2: wouldn't external hard-drive do the job well?07:33
LINKSWORD2Yes, except for the fact that I store more sensitive data on externals. I'm an IT specialist.07:33
Tm_TLINKSWORD2: you can do that with your music files too07:37
LINKSWORD2Actually, I cannot do that, due to the sensitive nature of the other data on the external drives.07:38
Tm_TLINKSWORD2: use other external drive then, or whatever works for you, as a specialist you should know (:07:41
sehvenget a new external :)07:41
LINKSWORD2.... -_-07:41
Tm_TLINKSWORD2: basically, any solution that allows you access external files does work for Amarok: ssh, ftp, smb, ... pretty much everything07:43
pro7o13xhey all...got 12.04 installed, trying to find the GUI program for installing programs, but it either isn't installed or changed names...anyone know?07:45
Tm_T!precise | pro7o13x07:47
ubottupro7o13x: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin) will be the sixteenth release of Ubuntu. Codename announcement here: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/784 - Blueprints at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+107:47
LINKSWORD2pro7o13x: 12 is only the next step up from the 11 series. The package manager they started using in 11 is called Muon.07:47
pro7o13xyeah...not finding it07:47
pro7o13xmust not be installed07:48
LINKSWORD2Hmm.... Well, I have not experimented with 12 yet. My computer is an old Compaq from 2003, which doesn't seem to like anything above Kubuntu 11.04.07:50
Tm_Tpro7o13x: to get support for 12.04, please use #ubuntu+107:53
LINKSWORD2I've only recently updated my software, and I have a new app called Nepomuk.... What the heck is it?08:12
Shaan7ah, which planet were you earlier? :P08:13
LINKSWORD2The number one way to piss me off is to treat me like I'm an idiot....08:14
Shaan7ah ok ;) well nepomuk has been there since years now08:14
bazhang!find nepomuk08:14
ubottuFound: virtuoso-nepomuk, libnepomuk-perl, libnepomukquery-perl, libnepomuk4, libnepomukquery4a08:15
LINKSWORD2This computer has been around for years, but hasn't been running for a while...08:15
LINKSWORD2As I said. I've only recently updated it.08:15
bazhanghttp://userbase.kde.org/Nepomuk  <---- LINKSWORD208:16
LINKSWORD2Bazinga? :P08:16
Shaan7LINKSWORD2: exactly, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d41bmTSogA408:17
LINKSWORD2Konqueror: Your flash player is out of date!08:18
LINKSWORD2Yep. My old computer is that lame.08:18
pro7o13xcrap..can't remember getting late...where is the setting in dolphin to make it inline rename instead of opening a new window?08:31
Shaan7pro7o13x: configure dolpgin > general08:33
Shaan7*dolphin08:33
pro7o13xthats what I thought....hmm now where did it move to in KDE4.808:34
poteronSome issues after upgrading to Kubuntu 11.10 from 11.04.08:55
poteronSound is gone.08:55
poteronSlide show screen saver setup no longer opens.08:56
pro7o13xupgrade or fresh install?08:59
pro7o13xtry reinstalling phonon?09:00
poteronSound back after deleting ~/.pulse09:01
pro7o13xnice09:02
poteronHow is one supposed to test the mic through phonon Sound and Video configuration?09:03
poteronWill it start recording when I hit test?09:03
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super_hello09:11
super_how i can use nokia pc suite  in kubuntu please09:12
Shaan7super_: nokia pc suite doesnt have a linux version09:19
Shaan7what exactly do you want to do?09:19
super_i need reset  630009:19
Shaan7ah i guess for that phone you gotta use pc suite on windose09:20
super_okey thanks09:20
super_what about flash player for kubuntu?09:22
jtheuerHi, any idea how I can get sending emails working? In "akonadiconsole" the mail dispatcher shows up as "Offline, Broken" - any chance of finding more detailed information?09:23
poteronDeleting ~/.pulse fixed both audio output and recording in Skype.  There are gazillion devices to choose from, which is a bit confusing.09:35
poteronSlide show screen saver no longer works properly after 11.04->11.10 upgrade.  The setup does not open.09:37
poteronMight be user specific, have not tested yet with a new user...09:37
poteronBut how to fix it for existing users?09:37
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john____re10:29
Linux_Joneshow can i make a bootable usb drive from an iso?10:47
haygusHi, I want to use a proxy with my kubuntu, how can I do it ?10:47
haygusI came back10:47
hayguss/a/o10:47
hateballLinux_Jones: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick10:53
Shaan7hateball: use system settings > network configuration10:53
hateballLinux_Jones: You have Under Kicker -> System -> Create bootdisk10:54
Shaan7"Ct10:54
Shaan7oops sorry10:54
haygusI think my proxy is configured10:56
haygusand the systemm too, but I want to wget something does not work10:56
Linux_Joneshateball: thats not what im doing though, im trying to fix windows for a friend, downloaded an iso for windows 7 but the usb creator wont recognize the iso10:56
Shaan7haygus: ah yea for wget you gotta do "export http_proxy=http://server:port"10:56
haygusoh thank you10:57
haygusI did it10:57
Shaan7Linux_Jones: yea it wont work for windows10:57
hateballLinux_Jones: Oh that's probably a different beast altogether. I've not had the displeasure of trying to use Windows isos10:57
Shaan7Linux_Jones: USB Creator in the menu only works with *buntu images.10:57
haygusShaan7: I have this : export "HTTP_PROXY=host:port10:57
haygus(with http10:57
Shaan7haygus: i guess only smaller case http_proxy will work10:58
Linux_Jonesany ideas?10:58
apachepandalinux is case sensitive after all :)10:58
haygusShaan7: I come back10:59
Shaan7Linux_Jones: there should be windows tools to do that, google for it10:59
Shaan7hateball: ?10:59
Shaan7hateball: sorry10:59
Linux_Jonesha ha,  the other problem is that i only have this linux box laptop to work on it11:00
haygusI have to close and open my session11:01
haygusis it opssible to reconfig the network ?11:01
haygusoh bad11:06
haygusIf i do wget url it works11:06
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Shaan7haygus: add it to your .bashrc11:07
haygusif : sudo wget url doesn't work11:07
haygusI did in /etc/profile11:07
Shaan7haygus: yea for sudo, I have to workaround, do sudo su first, then export, finally wget11:07
hayguseverytime I need to sudo ?11:08
Shaan7yeah if you want to do sudo wget, thats how to get it working11:08
Shaan7for normal wget, you dont need to do that11:08
haygusbut I need for apt-get update...11:08
Shaan7yea exactly11:09
haygushow can I save the export for everytime ?11:09
Shaan7no idea11:09
Shaan7maybe bashrc for root?11:09
Shaan7guessing ..11:09
* Shaan7 has to go11:11
haygusthank you11:11
elf_ghb11:12
elf_привет11:12
goekhanhello11:24
goekhani successfully build a program (texstudio) from source11:24
goekhanhow do i add the built executable to my programs?11:25
goekhani tried simply copying into usr/bin11:26
goekhanbut i wonder how do i put it into my start menu11:27
hateballgoekhan: Rightclick it, Edit programs11:29
hateballThe rest should be quite straightforward11:30
goekhanthanks hateball ! :-)11:33
goekhanhateball: thanks11:34
hateballgoekhan: :)11:34
qbitI currently have ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa configured as a repository from which I (sometime ago) pulled KDE 4.7.4. I am considering to add or switch to ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backportsfor KDE 4.811:45
qbitif I do this I should disable the first repo right? Or can I wait and KDE 4.8 will eventually be moved here?11:45
Tm_Tqbit: no need to disable the other repository. and KDE sc 4.8 will be eventually land to ubuntu-backports11:51
qbitThanks - didn't know for sure if I should update to KDE 4.8 with both enabled at same time11:53
kaddihi, anybody know how to install amazon mp3 downloader on a current ubuntu install? They only have a version for 8.10, which obviously breaks when you try to install it on 11.1011:53
Tm_Tkaddi: no idea, but could you try amarok?11:56
kaddina, you need that to download the songs from amazon, not to listen to them11:56
Tm_Tkaddi: I assume Amarok can download them too11:57
kaddithey don't have DRM on their songs (which I applaude) so they use that application to make sure you're the one to buying them11:57
Tm_Tbut yeh, only option I know is Amarok, just make sure you have the latest release (:11:58
kaddiwhich is?11:58
kaddii have 2.4.311:58
Tm_Thttp://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-25-backports-ppa11:58
kaddihow would I go about to only get amarok from the backports ppa?12:00
kaddii don't exactly want to update kde entirely12:00
Tm_Tadd the repository, update package lists, install amarok, remove the repository, update package lists, done12:01
kaddiit kinda sucks that all major software companies rely on the linux community building their own support system instead of just updating their tools regularly as they do for windows and OSX12:05
kaddi8.10 has been end of life since forever12:05
kaddithey must not have touched that installer since 200812:05
kaddiok, so what do i do then once i have the amz file to make amazon download it?12:09
kaddiTim_T?12:11
coder2Hello12:28
coder2I'm trying to install kububtu 11.10 on my computer. It is installed, but X do not start. Then I did 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade', then I installed nvidia-current from console. It claimed that there is no environment for building modules.12:31
coder2Then I did 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and finally system started. Anyone experienced such problems?12:32
coder2Now I'm not able to start software center - it crashes immediately.12:33
coder2Please help12:34
DoctorPeppercan anyone tell me where  can i  make request for new features12:36
ikoniaDoctorPepper: what sort of thing ?12:38
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DoctorPepperikonia:  the first feature would be  for appmenu  to  be multiple screen  aware  means   that if i have multiple  screens with  each of them having appmenu  applet running  the  appmenu of screen 1 has the menu of the app running on screen one   and so on12:41
PaulIIIIIIIIwhat do yo think when in the forest meets mans grownup triplets width man who have one testicle12:56
ikoniaDoctorPepper: that's something you'd need to talk to KDE about, not ubuntu12:58
ikoniaDoctorPepper: Ubuntu doesn't make KDE, the KDE project does, ubuntu just uses it12:58
DoctorPepperactually dbusmenu  is a ubuntu project12:59
ikoniaDoctorPepper: I thought you where talking about the kde application menu13:00
ikoniaif it's an ubuntu application log a bug on launchpad.net and mark it as "wish list" and put the details in13:00
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BluesKajHey all13:15
mydogsnameisrudymorning BluesKaj  hows the coffee today13:18
BluesKajVG , thanks mydogsnameisrudy , it helps get me moving13:22
BluesKajto13:23
BluesKajmydogsnameisrudy,  how are you doing today?13:25
mydogsnameisrudygood heading for my 3rd cup right now13:25
BluesKaj:)13:25
BluesKajrunning KDE 4.8 on 12.04 here , all seems well except for some minor (to me at least) crashes in system settings locale , otherwise very solid so far13:30
BluesKajgotta reboot ..brb13:32
mydogsnameisrudyi tryed 12.04 gnome left it for mint11 kde13:32
BluesKajgnome ... not my cuppa tea, unity isn't either13:33
mydogsnameisrudyused gnome for a long time but unity is killing me13:33
Squidyhello.. is there a ppa for installing kde telepathy 0.3 in kubuntu?13:47
Peace-Squidy: i guess no13:48
Peace-Squidy: there is for telephaty 0.213:48
Peace-and so... it will be upgraded when they will do the package13:48
SquidyPeace-: ok.. I'm going to wait then..13:49
Squidythx13:49
Smith_I have little problem when I restart ubuntu, it checks my filesystem everytime. How can i force check it once.14:20
James147Smith_: boot a live cd and play with fsck14:20
James147(you should not fsck a mounted drive)14:21
Smith_how will I do it Thanks14:22
Smith_how can i permanently skip disk check on restart14:25
naftilos76hi everyone, i have installed KDE 4.8 and i can see that virtuoso-t is keep the CPU about 50% busy. Is this normal?14:26
naftilos76is keeping14:26
Smith_naftilos: what about your hardware14:27
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naftilos76My CPU is a Quad Q9550 2.83GHz, GPU is GeForce 9600 GT, Sound HW is Nvidia MCP51 High Definition Audio, 4GB RAM14:33
naftilos76Smith_?14:33
James147naftilos76: he left14:33
naftilos76Smith_: I have never experienced this problem before! Oh, sorry i didn't notice :-)14:34
James147naftilos76: is you system currently indexing files?14:34
James147if it is then thats expected, if not then thats not exepected14:34
naftilos76i have suspended momentarily the indexing but the CPU keeps being as busy as before14:35
naftilos76i have just suspended Nepomuk14:36
naftilos76the CPU is still at 30-40% busy14:36
naftilos76i can see via 'top' that virtuoso-t is keeping the CPU busy14:36
naftilos76what is it doing?14:36
naftilos76has anybody else had any issues with virtuoso since last upgrade to KDE 4.8?14:38
naftilos76anyone?14:38
James147naftilos76: suspose to be indexing... not sure how reliably the stop function is atm :S ... try killing it anad see what ahppens14:38
naftilos76is virtuoso related to nepomuk? i do not know14:39
naftilos76if it is then maybe it is still doing something even when suspende14:39
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naftilos76everytime i upgrade KDE something is wrong14:43
pawieckihello :) I've got a question. Why when i do "sudo <something>" my password is correct, but when i want to do "su" it's incorrect?14:49
pawieckiit gives: "su: Authentication failure"14:52
Torchpawiecki: that's because su requires the root password while sudo asks for your user password14:53
Torchpawiecki: there is no root password set per default in kubuntu. but you can set one by sudo-ing to root and running passwd14:53
pawieckiTorch: ok, thanks :)14:55
pawieckiis stable kde 4.8 in repos already?14:58
naftilos76i have a problem with virtuoso-t. it keeps CPU busy14:58
Shaan7ppa backports14:58
Shaan7pawiecki: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.8.014:59
naftilos76it will probably be fixed in the next updates14:59
James147pawiecki: though it is not recomended to set a root password, you should be able to use sudo for evertthing14:59
pawieckiJames147: why?14:59
James147pawiecki: most automated attacks go agienst weak root password... not haing one makes all these attack fail before they have even started :)15:00
pawieckididn't know that :)15:00
James147pawiecki: and there is little point in having a root password when you can use sudo to gain root access (sudo -i  can be used instead of su -)15:01
pawieckibut as far as i remember in Fedora su -c is used for many things15:01
rocketfish2how can i get linux to use my rocketfish 3.5 usb drive ? it sees everything but the hard drive inside. windows can completely use the rocketfish external harddrive. i have linux 11.10. what can i do ?15:01
James147pawiecki: that means run the follow command as loged in as root, this is what sudo was designed for15:01
James147pawiecki: you should be able to use "sudo command" where you use to use "su -c command"15:02
James147pawiecki: the only difference is you use your user password rather then root15:03
rocketfish2will i have to use windows if i wanmt to use my external drive?15:04
rocketfish2want*15:04
pawieckiso basically su -c is the same as sudo, but uses root's password when sudo uses user's one, right?15:05
James147pawiecki: basically15:05
pawieckithen what's the point of having "su"? :)15:06
rocketfish2has an y body ever had this kind of problem ?15:06
rocketfish2the less you allow root access, the better, i suspect pawiecki15:07
James147pawiecki: you can loginto other users with it... (though you can with sudo as well)... basicaly its there because its a standard application that part of basically every linux systen15:07
rocketfish2even in diskutility, it says the drive is no partitioned, it is though. when i attempt to set up the drive, disk utility says it does not exist...15:08
pawieckirocketfish2: i didn't ever had any troubles with external drives under Linux. Is it external hard disk plugged via USB? Maybe the problem is in the ACPI or power issues15:09
Shaan7rocketfish2: check your dmesg output15:09
rocketfish2Shaan7: ok, i typed dmesg in a terminal. what am i looking for ?15:10
rocketfish2pawiecki: how could i check for ACPI issues ?15:11
Shaan7rocketfish2: insert drive, wiat 4-5 secs, run dmesg, see if shows some errors in the ~10 lines at the bottom15:11
rocketfish2Shaan7: ok15:11
Shaan7rocketfish2: it says something like this when i plug in mine http://pastebin.com/cpLsmTie15:11
BluesKajrocketfish2,  what brand external is it ?15:12
BluesKajoh rocketfish2 , ok15:13
rocketfish2BluesKaj: it is a rocketfish usb 3.0 3.5 inch usb external hard drive enclosure.15:13
rocketfish2the number 2 was assigned to my nick because rocktfish was already taken15:13
rocketfish2Shaan7: im checking15:13
* BluesKaj wonders if an esata drive would be more recognizable15:14
Shaan7BluesKaj: well USB should run without any issues15:14
pawieckihow to make that blue text? :)15:15
BluesKajShaan7,  yes agreed , but I've seen these external usb drive recognition and permission probs before and they can be very puzzling15:16
rocketfish2pawiecki: /me15:16
* pawiecki test15:16
rocketfish2Shaan7: i found this >  sd 12:0:0:0: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery15:16
Shaan7rocketfish2: hmm, now google for that and see if you can find something15:16
rocketfish2Shaan7: then three >rejecting I/O to offline device15:16
rocketfish2Shaan7: and a > READ CAPACITY failed15:17
rocketfish2Shaan7: then >  Result: hostbyte=DID_NO_CONNECT driverbyte=DRIVER_OK15:17
BluesKajrocketfish2,  is it ntfs formatted or fat32?15:17
rocketfish2and basicly io rejection and some other studff about assumming15:18
Shaan7BluesKaj: from what errors he is getting, its not a partitioning problem at all15:18
Shaan7BluesKaj: something to do with the enclouse and the linux usb storage drivers15:18
rocketfish2BluesKaj: it once had my personal data on it, i thought it was corrupt when i first encountered this problem... i have reformated sence then from windows...15:19
rocketfish2for trouble shooting15:19
Shaan7rocketfish2: hmm so some time back it did work on linux?15:19
rocketfish2yeah, i had a cheap external drive kit, no caSE, a usb cable that plugged directly into the drive itself and a power supply that did the same.. it flaked out ... so i got this rocket fish and put the drive inside. all was good again, i had thoght the cheap device corrupted my data... turnes out it was a problem with linux, i updated (complete reinstall) linux to 11.10.. and now i am here15:21
rocketfish2i used it for a long time with a cheap case and card board box to protect the drive15:22
Shaan7rocketfish2: hmm tbh you can try googling with those errors and see if you can find something15:22
Shaan7issues like these are pretty hard to debug at times15:22
Shaan7i once had a seagate hdd which wont on linux on my laptop, worked on windows. And, it worked on same linux on everybody else's computer :P15:23
SIQKOhave basic questions, anybody there for help15:25
rocketfish2Shaan7: yeah, i "googled" Device offlined - not ready after error recovery and have a some pages up and reading...15:25
pawieckiask your question15:25
rocketfish2thanks every one15:26
BluesKajI was looking at a Fantom 1.5 esata/usb drive for this media server ...runining out of room15:26
SIQKOthe cooler is making over working15:26
SIQKOsry15:27
SIQKOi couldn't made my self clear15:28
SIQKOit is over working it's making that noise15:28
SIQKOthought that an ongoing process it's is overloading the CPU15:29
Shaan7SIQKO: dont guess, see the system monitor and check if thats actually the case15:30
SIQKOprobably a bug or somthin, is there anything i can do to detect that at15:30
SIQKOyeah but what if it is not obvious15:31
SIQKOi tired ps auxf | sort ..etc, at the top of the list was the borwser so ... plugins, or ....15:32
bretzelWhat the hell ???? We're in year 2012 and Ubuntu's ncurses still show (NCURSES_MOUSE_VERSION ) == 1 ???????????? MUST BE at least  2! I am fucking tired to re-compile and install ncurses with today's feature!!!!15:33
SIQKOthis suppose to be a community15:35
peace_bretzel: or maybe there si a bug that you don't know...15:35
SIQKOyeah15:35
SIQKOthat's my point15:36
SIQKOhow do i dedect that ?15:36
pawieckiSIQKO: on Kubuntu you can hold Ctrl + Esc and a nice System Activity app will show, check there. Maybe it's just a fan thing15:36
SIQKOok trying15:37
qbitSIQKO: couple of things I've seen peg cpu: acroread gets stuck if you've opened a pdf in a browser tab15:37
qbitin top you would see this at 100% cpu on the top line if it happened15:38
SIQKOi cannot stand the loud cooler noise it's not pleasant at all with this os15:38
pawieckihave to go, bye all15:39
qbitthe other thing I had happen once a while ago was desktop search indexing needed to get turned off15:39
SIQKOthnx a lot15:39
bretzelpawleeq: heheh thanks for the hint, it is nice :-)15:39
qbitif you're on KDE 4.7.4 or earlier you can disable strigi easily without having to turn off nepomuk15:40
Tm_Tbretzel: language, please15:41
bretzelpeace_: About ncurses, I don't know about any bug. I've encountered no probs ( using ncurses in ArchLinux for example, they provide binary ncurses with version 2 ) ...15:41
bretzelTm_T: Sorry I will no do it again :-)15:42
Tm_Tbretzel: also if you want something to be done to ncurses packaging, complaining here won't help you at all (;15:42
* bretzel I apoligize for my mad words -15:43
bretzelbad *15:43
Tm_T!bugs | bretzel fill bug report instead, and provide as much details as possible, in a well-constructed, polite way (;15:43
ubottubretzel fill bug report instead, and provide as much details as possible, in a well-constructed, polite way (;: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs.15:43
peace_bretzel: for your machine15:44
SIQKOwhy there isn't a sofvare that stops un necessary CPU ussage ?15:44
bretzelDon't know if filling a bug is the right way, because it is not related to bug, but a feature.15:45
Tm_Tbretzel: bug, feature request, they all go thru same system15:46
SIQKOhow do you mostly deal with bugs15:47
bretzelAnyway, sorry again (for my `corse?` language) . Have a good day -- I have to return to code :-) ( I notice the suggestion to the Ubuntu's bug system )15:48
pangolinAnybody else having issues getting past the kubuntu splash screen with the latest kernel update on 11.10?15:57
SIQKOok if the system monitor dosen't show a problem but still the cpu over loaded what to do than15:58
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SIQKOat least anybody plz tell me what it might be so i don't lose time looking for the wrong remedy16:00
Tm_Thow you measure the cpu-usage?16:00
SIQKOtop16:00
SIQKOhtop16:00
Tm_Tand you see cpu-usage being 100% while processes don't take cpu much?16:01
Tm_Tor along those lines16:01
SIQKOps auxf | sort  -nr -k3  | head -10 etc etc16:01
SIQKOyeah and plus the cooler runs more than it was suppose to16:02
Tm_TSIQKO: see wha iotop -o says16:03
ScottyKOn my kids linux box, ,my boy somehow crashed the plasma desktop, leaving a black screen. I can alt-F2 to get to a konsole. What is the command to restart the computer from a user?16:03
ScottyKreboot doesn't work because he isn't admin16:03
Tm_TScottyK: krunner works? write "restart" there?16:03
SIQKOand there is my browser at the top of the list and unnecessarily using the CPU16:03
ScottyKTM_T - I'll check16:03
Tm_TSIQKO: try16:04
SIQKO??16:04
Tm_TSIQKO: if the browser is using much of io (per iotop -o), try if closing it makes any difference16:04
SIQKOalready did16:05
SIQKOit makes16:05
Tm_Tthere's the cause then? (:16:05
ScottyKTm_t - no go.16:05
Tm_TScottyK: all those logout/restart/shutdown/etc actions should be available thru krunner (alt+f2)16:06
Tm_Tso, they don't appear there, or they appear but don't work?16:06
SIQKOcookies and plugins might be eating my CPU16:06
Tm_TSIQKO: cookies don't eat cpu16:06
SIQKOwhy ?16:06
ScottyKI'll type "restart", and I can see some options, but the process window is partly blocking it, and I can't move it.16:06
ScottyKpulled up a window to configre the shutdown process16:06
Tm_Tcookies are just small text files, to make oversimplify (:16:07
Tm_TScottyK: "restart" here does offer "restart the computer" as the first option, hmmm16:07
Tm_TScottyK: try launching plasma-desktop?16:07
ScottyKYeah, I think he borked something!16:07
ScottyKhow about just logging off a user from command line?16:08
SIQKOacctually one of tham probably is overloading my cpu16:08
SIQKOit is irrelevant whether cookies or plugins16:08
qbitSIQKO:  when you run top in konsole is the line at the very top of the list showing you anything at 100% CPU use?16:09
SIQKOnop16:09
ScottyKTM-T - that did it! restarting plasma at least pulled up the option to log off. then from the user window I was able to restart it. thanks! Didn't want to just hit hte reset button16:09
Tm_Tqbit: if it's IO causing the cpu load, no process would appear taking cpu as the IO is keeping the cpu busy (:16:09
Tm_TScottyK: np16:10
SIQKOno 100 % usage so what >16:11
qbitanother question I had does the fan run fast all the time no matter what16:11
SIQKOyep16:12
qbitmaybe it wasn't set to throttle down in BIOS16:12
SIQKOi dn think so16:12
SIQKOi use the same os with a different conn16:13
SIQKOlook to be honest it is not running that fast at all but even slightly should be acceptable with this os ... right16:13
rocketfish2ok, one of the suggestions to my problem was to set delay_use . the new problem is i am unable to alter this setting even when logged in as root... what can i do ? is there a utility to change usb drive settings ?16:14
SIQKObefore i have intalled  a browser and few feautures of it, you won't notice if the nb was on16:15
rocketfish2sometimes, linux is weak.16:16
SIQKOwhaat?16:16
qbitsometimes after a year the heat sink needs the dust blown out of it too  :-)16:17
rocketfish2huh ?16:17
SIQKOoh comone it happends only after i open the browser16:17
SIQKOi don't think the probl is physical nor techinal there is a plugin somewhere messing with my CPU and i hate it16:18
qbitwhich browser are we talking about?16:19
SIQKOmhhh16:19
SIQKOopera and ff16:19
rocketfish2opera is junk16:19
SIQKOthen I uninstalled the first one16:19
qbitwell disable all of extensions and plugins16:19
SIQKOoh man where where you earlier16:20
qbitthen turn them back on one at a time until the problem happens16:20
SIQKOhow shall i do that16:20
qbitwell in firefox ctrl-shift-a (or the Add-ons selection under the Toold menu)16:22
SIQKOwaiting .... i got to solv this i just can't this no longer16:22
qbiterr Tools menu16:22
SIQKOyeap16:22
qbitas far as Opera I don't use16:22
rocketfish2opera is as fat and useless as opera winfree :p16:23
SIQKOi have removed it16:23
SIQKOOpera i mean16:23
qbitwell under that menu option will open a page where you can disable any extension or plugin you choose16:23
qbitin Firefox I mean16:23
SIQKOyep16:24
rocketfish2chromium or firefox are what i use. i also like safari when i have access to it16:24
rocketfish2firefox has a safe mode :D16:24
qbitif you disable them all and restart the browser and the problem is gone it confirms it's a plugin or an extension16:24
SIQKOchromium ? got one16:24
rocketfish2huh ?16:24
SIQKOright now16:25
mozzyMidori is nice16:25
rocketfish2its the browser google ripped for their Chrome browser16:25
mozzyjust lean and fast16:25
SIQKOthats what i need16:25
rocketfish2i need to adjust my usb delay_use setting :(16:25
SIQKOwhat is worng with the browsers this days16:25
mozzytry Midori, it doesnt have as many bells and whistles as firefox but its quick and light16:25
mozzygood on systems with low ram too16:26
mozzyjust a suggestion16:26
rocketfish2fire fox claims to be racing to keep up with some other browser..16:27
rocketfish2firefox has had issues with massive memory consumtion16:27
SIQKOthat's the purpose of it right after being lunched16:27
mozzyya16:27
mozzyand every major version they say they fixed the mem consumption problem lol16:28
mozzyits still me fav browser but it sure gets hungry16:28
mozzyif you got the gigs mem its not much of a impact on the system16:29
mozzymems cheap these days16:29
rocketfish2also, flash has been known to hog a CPU16:30
SIQKOabsolutely16:30
qbitmy biggest problem was acroread plugin16:31
mozzyya, once they switch over to html5, whenever that is, we might be better off16:31
SIQKOplugin and flash16:31
qbitit would go zombie, run the fan up and my cpu temp would shoot up 10 degrees C16:31
rocketfish2does any one know how to alter the usb use delay setting?16:31
qbitit would even keep doing this after Firefox was closed amd had to be killed manually16:31
rocketfish2wow16:31
rocketfish2i like okular :)16:32
SIQKOdude c'mone16:32
SIQKOokular16:32
SIQKOhey what about gkrllm ? does that somehow affects the cpu or memory usage16:33
skaczorOkular rules! I stay away from acroread unless some retarded org sends me encrypted PDFs of some sort.16:33
qbitI use gkrellm here and it does OK16:33
rocketfish2i like okular because it alows for book marks and highlighting16:33
rocketfish2never heard of gkrllm16:34
qbitI only have it monitoring CPU/GPU temps and the CPU and case fan speeds, everything else turned off16:34
rocketfish2oh...16:34
SIQKOthats all ya need16:34
SIQKObut it look kinda cool with those plugins16:34
SIQKOanything else must be awared of cpu usage ?!16:36
SIQKOand to be avoided since we gott some experience talking here16:36
SIQKOplz share some hints,tips16:37
qbitwell one of the indicators of the strigi virtuoso-t bug that was around a while back was your .xsession-errors file would grow huge in a short period of time16:38
qbitI had it happen once it went to 22GB in 12 hrs and filled the OS partition16:38
qbitinstalling the sysstat utility would allow you to run the iostat command16:40
qbitin iostat on the avg-cpu line all the way to the right is a %idle field which should be something like 97%16:41
SIQKOwow16:41
qbitthis would show you if some kind of io runaway was chewing cpu16:41
SIQKOthis happends when i play a vid on youtube16:42
SIQKOi don't now why the machine goes crrazy and i just can't stand that its so cruel too mean16:43
rocketfish2does any body know how to alter the usb delay_use setting ?16:43
qbitrocketfish2: I don't...16:44
qbitsorry16:44
rocketfish2i have a usb drive that is visable and also non existent16:44
SIQKOmake sure that correct modules are loaded16:44
rocketfish2SIQKO: huh ?16:44
rocketfish2SIQKO: like, how ?>16:45
qbitlsmod will give you a complete list16:45
rocketfish2ok, checking lsmod16:45
SIQKOgo ahead16:45
rocketfish2qbit: what am i seeking in this list?16:45
qbitkernel modules16:46
rocketfish2the device shows up in disk utility16:47
qbitthat's everything loaded because or recognized hardware16:47
qbitmy memory is fuzzy, but I thought at one time or another I had added a couple of usb packages manually myself16:48
qbitusbutils, usb-modeswitch, usbmount, and friends16:49
SIQKOif that doesn't work try to modify it manualy16:49
SIQKO/etc/conf.modules16:49
qbitone thing I do is use Muon to look at the file list for packages like this for documentation16:49
rocketfish2dmesg-> reset high speed USB device number 26 using ehci_hcd <next line-->  Device offlined - not ready after error recovery16:50
qbitthen I hunt through the docs looking for what I want16:50
rocketfish2ill check for usbutils and usbmount and what is friends ? i already have modeswitch16:51
qbitfriends was a stand-in for "whatever else"16:51
rocketfish2my slah drive works while plugged into the external hard drive16:51
qbitI've only used usb flash drives; no experience with a usb hard drive16:52
rocketfish2usbmount is not installed16:52
rocketfish2slah = flash16:53
rocketfish2typo16:53
qbitmy flash drives pop up the device notifier and it asks me what I want to do16:53
rocketfish2installing usbmount, though, my flash drive is automonted any way16:54
qbitI think possibly usbmount might have been needed for that, I just don't remember what was in the install and/or what I installed myself afterwards16:54
rocketfish2im removing usbmount then16:54
qbitwell also it won't mount a file system it doesn't recognize16:55
qbitthe way the drive is formatted, configured, partitioned, etc matters16:56
rocketfish2i do not have a etc/conf. anything16:56
qbitif the mbr/partition table, etc is wrong somehow it will balk and throw an error16:56
qbitthis happens mostly when trying to use something that was formatted by some weird other software on some othe OS on a different machine16:57
rocketfish2disk utility does not have trouble seeing it, it complains when i attempt to partition or format it16:58
rocketfish2ill get the error message..16:58
qbitI guess I've just been lucky... my stuff just always seemed to work16:59
rocketfish2Error creating partition table: helper exited with exit code 1: cannot open /dev/sdb: No such device or address17:00
SIQKOu click the meny and it appears at the top of the screen17:01
rocketfish2if i could try the delay_use setting change suggested one some web page, it may fix this17:01
SIQKOhappened before but thought it didn't boot properly17:02
SIQKOi wouldn't consider it even as a probl but it is strange u click the meny down but ut appears at the top17:03
SIQKOanybody knows the reason ?17:03
SIQKOit won't appear after restart that is already known but im still curious17:04
SIQKOimagine u click the right click on a minimazed option and it opens up on the top of the screen17:06
BluesKajSIQKO,  something to do with kde resizing bug in kde 4.7.3/4 , it was never resolves afaik , due to the releas of kde 4.7.5 , I think17:07
SIQKOit won't appear often17:08
BluesKajbbl..17:08
SIQKOthat's the second time and hope it won't again17:08
qbitrocketfish2: this isn't a SanDisk is it?17:09
SIQKOlet's solve this bug17:10
rocketfish2qbit: yes, the usb flash drive is a scan disk , why ?17:10
SIQKOanybody familiar with p17:10
rocketfish2it comes before Q and after O17:10
rocketfish2like the Q it has a curve and a line17:11
rocketfish2the O does not share this feature, though there have been rumers about emplimenting a line in the next version of O17:11
qbitSanDisk needs to either use the sandisk tool or u3-tool to remove it's U3-Launchpad17:12
rocketfish2it is said the O would not be able to keep its completeness of circle and would be more of an oval or simi-circle if this line feature was implimented17:12
rocketfish2qbit: , i removed the launchpad long ago... the sandisk has no troubles. i mentioned my flash drive because i can plug it into the usb drive and it works fine from there17:13
qbitoh OK17:13
qbitwell I'm out of ideas then, and starving to death so I'm gonna go get some lunch17:16
* qbit bbl17:17
rocketfish2here http://pastebin.com/awgrAY6f17:19
rocketfish2its dmesg17:19
rocketfish2:D17:19
rocketfish2 http://pastebin.com/awgrAY6f <--- help , usb drive rocketfish 3.5 external usb drive can be used by windows and mac, but not linux. linux sees the hard ware and even a usb flash drive plugged into the rocketfish external drive, but accessing the drive fails.17:24
hanasakithunderbird just updated to v9 - and it is not compatible with lightning.    is there a build that is compatible?17:28
rocketfish2 http://pastebin.com/awgrAY6f <--- help , usb drive rocketfish 3.5 external usb drive can be used by windows and mac, but not linux. linux sees the hard ware and even a usb flash drive plugged into the rocketfish external drive, but accessing the drive fails.17:29
BluesKajrocketfish2,  lsusb17:29
rocketfish2oh. you again blues... welcome bac k17:29
BluesKajwas having lunch17:30
BluesKajpastebin lsusb , rocketfish217:30
rocketfish2yeah. im on it :) i just learned about pastebin a minute ago17:31
rocketfish2http://pastebin.com/1gkb07A317:32
rocketfish2BluesKaj:17:32
rocketfish2thanks for looking17:32
BluesKajrocketfish2,  now,  df -h17:35
rocketfish2i am surprised that no one knows how to adjust delay_use for the usb ... i am surprised also, linux does not have a configuration utility for such a thing17:35
rocketfish2ok,  doing df -h17:36
BluesKajrocketfish2,  one thing , if it's a USB2.0 device make sure it's connected the 2.0 port17:36
rocketfish2http://pastebin.com/mcMGgLbx17:37
rocketfish2it is a usb 3 device, and this system only has usb 217:38
rocketfish2the device is hardware compatable with usb 3 and 217:38
rocketfish2like i said, i can plug a usb flash drive into the rocket fish and the flash drive is completely accessable17:39
Torchrocketfish2: it#17:39
Torchoops17:39
Torchrocketfish2: it's a module parameter for the usb storage module17:39
Torchrocketfish2: these are set when the module is first loaded into the kernel.17:39
rocketfish2Torch: what can be done ?17:40
rocketfish2Torch: i have read that a possable salution required the alteration of one of these parameters, though, i am unable to alter them. i do not know how.17:41
Torchrocketfish2: you can create a file under /etc/modprobe.d and name it e.g. usb-storage.conf. in this file, write the line "options usb-storage delay_use=5" or whatever you want.17:41
rocketfish2Torch: i will try anything, doing it now17:41
Torchrocketfish2: iirc the file name does not matter, but should describe what the file is trying to to and probably has to end in .conf17:41
Torchrocketfish2: also note that this is potentially dangerous.17:41
rocketfish2Torch: in whjat manner is this dangerous ?17:42
Torchrocketfish2: making a mistake might in theory prevent your system from booting17:42
Torchrocketfish2: it also won't hurt to google around a bit about kernel modules, usb-storage and this parameter.17:42
rocketfish2i have a rescue flash drive that restores grub .17:42
BluesKajTorch,  so df -h won't list the device if it's a usb drive , correct ?17:42
Torchrocketfish2: for this change to take effect, reboot17:43
BluesKajI was hoping for sdb/devX17:43
rocketfish2Torch: what i read was altering the delay_use can potentially fix tis17:43
rocketfish2BluesKaj:  ?17:43
BluesKajerr dev/sdbX17:44
Torchrocketfish2: it might, yes.17:44
rocketfish2i am not permited to create a document i that folder.. any way to give me root access to it without logging out and in as root?17:45
rocketfish2Torch:17:46
Torchrocketfish2: sudo su - on a shell17:46
Torchrocketfish2: it will ask for your password.17:46
Torchrocketfish2: then use your favourite command line editor ;-)17:46
Torchrocketfish2: alternative: use kdesudo kate from a shell, that should work too17:46
BluesKajwell, now I'm a bit concerned , I'm ordering a Fantom 1.5TB  external for this server , but I plan to use the eSATA option rather than the USB. Hope that makes for easier recognititon17:48
rocketfish2i just got a phone call, be back in a long time..17:49
rocketfish2Torch:  thanks17:49
rocketfish2i used sudo gedit and saved the file to the restricted folder :D17:50
rocketfish2i have ubuntu .... not kubuntu ;)17:50
SIQKOthe browser is abusing my cpu i caneled it but it still affects it17:51
SIQKOhow do i terminate it17:51
* rocketfish2 is on the phone for perhaps the next couple of hours ..17:51
BluesKajrocketfish2,  there are alot of kowlegeable and helpful ppl at #ubuntu , maybe they can help17:51
rocketfish2i am also in THAT ROOM17:52
rocketfish2they are helping some one with audio troubles17:52
* rocketfish2 returns to the phone caLL. thanks every one :)17:52
SIQKOti says that another process uses it ?17:53
coder2Hello. Please help me with connecting canon LBP2900. I've done steps according this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CanonCaptDrv190, but cannot get rid of error: Check the DevicePath of /etc/ccpd.conf18:03
coder2lsmod | grep usblp shows that the module is loaded18:03
BluesKajcoder2,  is it a printer ?18:04
coder2BluesKaj: yes18:04
coder2How to remove those driver completely to try again from scratch? Just uninstalling of debs do not help.18:06
BluesKajhave you tried the printer wizard in system settings>printer configuration18:06
coder2BluesKaj: what exactly ?18:07
BluesKajkmenu>computer>systemsettings>printerconfiguration18:08
coder2BluesKaj: and then?18:08
BluesKajlook for your printer18:09
coder2New printer->CAPT Printer->[Enter Device URI]. stuck18:09
BluesKajif it's properly connected , it should show in local printers18:10
coder2BluesKaj: Keep in mind: that's Canon - they are hmm.. special guys.18:11
BluesKajlsusb in the terminal , it should show up there18:12
SIQKOE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)18:12
SIQKOE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?18:12
SIQKOwhy i just can't remove it18:13
peace_SIQKO:  is another process using it?18:13
SIQKOhow to kill the process wholy18:13
SIQKOwell thnx but how to terminate that18:13
BluesKajSIQKO,  do you have a pckage manger open while trying to update in the terminal?18:13
peace_SIQKO: close every packager manager opened18:13
SIQKOacctualy im trying to remove it18:13
peace_leave open only this chat window SIQKO18:14
sithlord48SIQKO:  sudo killall dpkg from a terminal18:14
peace_i mean close every program opened less this18:14
SIQKObut each time i kill it there is some left18:14
peace_sithlord48: not safe say that ...18:14
BluesKajSIQKO, sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a18:14
peace_sithlord48: what if dpgk is running ? for example on libc?18:14
peace_sithlord48: you get a broken system with that command18:15
sithlord48what if it is.. you need to run configre -a afterwards..18:15
peace_sithlord48: no.18:15
peace_sithlord48: if you are installing libc you will broke the system18:15
sithlord48never had a problem18:16
peace_sithlord48: because yoi have had that problem doesnt mean that it work for everyone18:16
SIQKOit is gone thnx ya all18:16
SIQKOand u know the reason why i removed it18:16
peace_sithlord48:  btw ... try to reinstall libc and kill dpkg then you will understand18:16
* BluesKaj backs off ...time to push some snow anyway18:16
BluesKajSIQKO,  what did yo do ?18:17
sithlord48peace_:  just that one package is affected by it ?18:17
peace_sithlord48:  there are maybe others that are vital for the system18:17
sithlord48usually it goes like that , muon is doing some crap its locked up .. killall dpkg, then dpkg --configure -a  .18:18
SIQKOthe browser was messing with my CPU18:18
peace_sithlord48: well .. then try with libc618:18
sithlord48peace_:  i will later in a VM .18:18
SIQKOsuggestions for better browsers18:18
sithlord48chromium18:18
peace_SIQKO: firefox18:18
sithlord48rekonq is pretty nice when it behaves itself.18:19
SIQKOthat's what i removed18:19
sithlord48i've been mostly using chromium when rekonq don't work18:19
sithlord48i perfer rekonq as its works better w/ kget.18:19
SIQKOall i was doing was multi tabing and it was fostering the cpu-s workload18:20
SIQKOthe fan was runnig like hell and i didn't like it18:22
SIQKOthis os must work properly not overloaded by the stupid plugins and flashes that a browser would allow18:23
SIQKOrekonq sounds practical any other ideas18:25
dewari used firefox and have had smoth runing with it on linux18:25
dewarit works better on linux than windows i think18:25
sneaksterHi18:27
FloodBotK3!netsplit18:28
ubottunetsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit18:28
dewarhello sneakster18:28
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sneaksterStupid question, trying to place a .sh file into usr/bin and getting permission denied, how do I get around that18:31
sneakstercopy and paste from terminal using sudo?18:34
dewaryou need to be in root18:34
dewarvia sudo works18:34
dewareasier to use -i18:34
symlink_headДень добрый всем. У меня возникла проблема на Kubuntu 11.10 (x64) установленом на VmWare Workstation 8.0.2. Суть проблемы в том что процесс XOrg потребляет очень много ОЗУ. в данный момент система в работе 3 часа а он уже скушал 2.5Гб оперативы18:35
dewarbut dont forget to log out again18:35
dewarthe way i do it, nave to the folder  using dophin18:35
symlink_headчто делать? кто поможет?18:35
dewaropen up the program using kate and the sudo command18:35
symlink_headустановлены драйвера штатные xorg-server-video-vmware18:35
symlink_headhi18:35
dewaredit the doc then close up18:35
symlink_headi have memory leak trouble with xorg18:36
symlink_headsomebody help me18:36
sneaksterkate?18:36
symlink_headi have Kubuntu 11.10 x64 installed as guest os on Vmware 8.0.218:36
symlink_headprocess xorg takes 2.5gb of RAM18:37
dewarsneakster:  you can use any of you fav word editors18:37
SIQKO_bug18:37
symlink_headwho can help me to fix this?18:37
dewarsneakster:  are you using kde18:37
sneaksterUbuntu18:38
dewarwhats the name of the editor you use?#18:38
sneakstergedit18:39
dewarsay you want to edit your sources file but it is locked as read only, do this:18:40
dewarsudo gedit open /etc/atp/sources.list18:40
dewarsudo will give you read write to the file18:40
dewaror you can navigate to the file and open a terminal at that location18:41
dewarbe carful with sudo though. its very powerful18:41
SIQKOwhy some stupid processes are overloading the cpu18:46
SIQKOwhy.. and how to prevent that18:47
bobwya_You shouldn't use sudo to open gedit : use a graphical sudo frontend command like gksu18:51
bobwya_important for security : doesn't mess with your file permissions18:51
bobwya_SIQKO: install htop it is an awesome little command line utility for seeing the evil CPU hogs...18:52
SIQKOalredy did18:53
dewarhtop is that with the ubuntu distro?18:53
SIQKOnop18:53
SIQKOu just down it18:53
SIQKOsudo apt-get htop18:53
SIQKOthat's great18:54
dewarmuon found it18:54
SIQKOist's like an interactiove top command but easier18:54
SIQKOfor those not familiar with command line18:55
bobwya_the beauty of htop is that it will even run in a TTY console (if your X-Session/Desktop Manager is a big hosed) :-)18:55
dewarits nice and simple18:56
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dewarwhats the shr?18:56
sneaksterI'm impressed but not having to stop think to use ls something*18:59
sneaksterI'm learnin'!18:59
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sneaksterI'm a big fat idiot19:01
sneaksterhttp://code.google.com/p/tint2/wiki/FAQ#Adding_a_'show_desktop'_button19:01
sneaksterI'm new to Ubuntu and I installed tint2 and I'm trying to put on a showdesktop button19:01
SIQKOu'll learn19:01
bobwya_man htop > SHR = The size of the process's shared pages19:01
SIQKOall u need to do is to learn19:02
sneaksterI've got the file created and saved in /usr/bin and now I'm trying to change stuff in the tint2 config file and slightly lost19:02
sneaksterI'm assuming "tint2config" is the config file, I tried opening it in gedit, but it just comes up blank19:02
bobwya_SHR is mapped shared libraries in RAM (or paged) I guess??19:03
peace_sneakster: not official stuff ? no support19:03
bobwya_htop MEM% column is going to be more useful for everyday use :-)19:04
peace_sneakster: then we are kubuntu ... for #ubuntu19:04
sneaksterah19:04
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BluesKajsneakster,  kate is the default text editor in kubuntu...there seem to be alot of ubuntu users in here today ..the trolls at #ubuntu causing problems again?19:12
bobwya_Yeh, kate FTW :-)19:14
bobwya_What till they get the HUD thing later this year... There'll be floods of new Kubuntu users :-)19:15
BluesKajactaully the way HUD is described , it seems to be a step up , if it works19:17
Kwarkjebut it's definitely poweruser feature19:17
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SIQKOReading package lists... Done19:21
SIQKOBuilding dependency tree19:21
SIQKOReading state information... Done19:21
SIQKOE: Unable to locate package midiori19:21
FloodBotK3SIQKO: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.19:21
SIQKOsry19:21
sneaksterThanks for the initial help, just wanted to celebrate19:21
sneaksterwoohoo!19:21
sneaksterI did it19:21
sneaksterI figured out how to move a file and slightly alter some configurations19:21
sneaksterI'm the smartest linux hacker of all time19:22
Torchsneakster: grats, then ;-))19:24
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rocklHey, if you're trying to install the browser I think it's spelled midori.19:28
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carolyn_howdy all19:58
carolyn_I'm working on a friend's computer who is running Kubuntu 11.1019:59
BluesKajhowdy carolyn_19:59
carolyn_it is continually freezing for no earthly reason, and I just cannot figure out what to do to keep it from doing so20:00
carolyn_I have no way of figuring out why its hanging, and google is coming up short20:00
peace_BluesKaj: :)  http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/kde+Customization+kit?content=14843020:00
carolyn_any suggestions?20:00
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peace_carolyn_: freeze? kernel issue20:01
peace_carolyn_: before worked fine ? upgraded? new hardware?20:01
BluesKajwhat exactly is hanging , carolyn_ , more detail pls20:01
carolyn_she upgraded the OS with the newest release that came out this previous Wednsday, not sure what was included in that though20:02
carolyn_worked fine beforehand, just a few network issues I had to pound out20:02
skaczorcarolyn: can you connect via ssh when it's frozen?20:03
BluesKajpeace_,  , nice ...I'm checking out QtCurve atm ..gonna run that for a while20:04
carolyn_the gui freezes, music and sounds will continue to play in the background, and the mouse will move on screen, but the keyboard is unresponsive to commands, and nothing on screen works(unresponsive gui, duh)20:04
asifhi all20:05
carolyn_howdy asif20:06
skaczorgui freeze could be due to video card driver. Are you using nvidia or amd proprietary drivers or the open source?20:06
BluesKajcarolyn_,  open dolphin>help>about kde , which version is shown there ..if the mouse works20:06
carolyn_Blueskaj: everything is working right now, give me a minute20:07
carolyn_Blueskaj: 4.7.420:07
ion_I'm installing kubuntu 11.10 everything went fine throughout the installating however after it finish  and I do the updates the system download all the packets but when it's installing freezes at 50% of the instalation what that might be ?20:11
carolyn_ion: I was  googleing earlier and saw a help forum with someone with that same question, lemme see if I can dig that article up right quick20:12
carolyn_skaczor: I'm trying to figure out what driver is installed atm, bear with me20:13
BluesKajyeah ,kde  4.7.4 is a bit buggy... I'm running kd3 4.8 , but it's a bit bleeding edge for regular users20:13
BluesKajkde 4.820:14
ion_carolyn_: Thank you carolyn_ if you do that I'll appreciate it..20:14
skaczorcarolyn_: try installing the proprietary driver using the Additional Drivers under Applications->System20:14
peace_BluesKaj: LOL kde320:14
BluesKajyeah :)20:14
carolyn_ion: the article http://askubuntu.com/questions/89401/first-update-after-fresk-kubuntu-install-hangs-bc-of-dpkg-now-what20:15
carolyn_skaczor: I'm trying that now20:16
carolyn_Blueskaj: how do you mean bleeding edge? difficult to operate?20:17
BluesKajcarolyn_,  not totally stable , still needs some development , meant for testing20:18
carolyn_skaczor: the additional drivers threw up a list of NVIDIA drivers, only one has recommended next to it.20:19
ion_carolyn_: Okay I gonna try it and tel you whether worked or not I'm getting through the whole  process again and let's see if works, If does I'll tell you :)20:19
carolyn_now, using my incredible brain power, I'm only going to assume that I should choose the recommended driver and hit activate, correct?20:20
skaczorcarolyn_: go ahead and install the driver. It may take care of your problem20:20
ion_carlyn_: Jesus nasty English...anyway I'll tell you..20:20
carolyn_Ion: hope that helps some, but iffin it doesnt, these other guys will prolly be of better use than me, I just happened to run across that article earlier20:21
BluesKajcarolyn_,  that remmended driver should be activated , skaczor's suggestion is correct , yes .20:21
carolyn_downloading and installing said driver... still wondering why it wasn't automated during installation...20:22
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ion_carolyn_: Yeah I hope so ...20:24
carolyn_btw, thanks for the help Blueskaj and skaczor20:24
skaczorYou are welcome carolyn_ :-)20:24
BluesKajcarolyn_,  hope it works for you :)20:25
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carolyn_still downloading... slow... argh...20:26
carolyn_figured I would stick around for a minute and see what happens with the driver before I scramble20:27
carolyn_any ideas on how I can test it and make sure it's working before I leave her house?20:28
BluesKajcarolyn_,  the default driver is usually the nouveau for nvidia cards nad in most cases for onboard graphics it works well. Newer pcs have better onboard graphics and they use the more advanced drivers20:28
carolyn_Blueskaj: lol, newer computers, hah. She's using an Emachines from a few years ago20:29
BluesKajcarolyn_,  you'll have to reboot , after it installs t5hen check system settings, desktop effects and make sure they're enabled20:29
carolyn_I installed kubuntu on it because she kept downloading viruses on windows20:30
BluesKajcarolyn_, run , lspci | grep VGA, in the terminal20:30
carolyn_Blueskaj: after restart?20:31
BluesKajno w20:31
BluesKajnow20:31
carolyn_alright, 2.520:31
carolyn_00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 6100 nForce 405] (rev a2)20:32
carolyn_Blueskaj: I'm going to restart right quick, brb20:34
BluesKajok20:34
carolyn_aaaaaaaaaaaaand I'm back20:36
carolyn_Blueskaj: the desktop effects were already enabled20:37
carolyn_Blueskaj: also, after the last time it froze, i restarted the computer in failsafe mode. will that mess anything up?20:38
BluesKajgood that's the default , now your hanging etc should disappear20:38
carolyn_or am I correct in assuming that failsafe is like safemode in windows?20:39
carolyn_coolbeans, ty again!20:39
BluesKajsort of , but if you just rebooted successfully then it's  in noraml mode now20:40
BluesKajerr normal20:40
carolyn_ah, ok then, had to make sure before I logged off and turned it over to her again. Thanks, I appreciate all the help from all of you! I'm sure I'll be back one day... lol20:41
carolyn_have a good day guys, take it easy!20:41
BluesKajcarolyn_,  np , same to you20:42
qbitwow - updated to KDE 4.8 and only had one very minor hiccup until now - I opened systemsettings to look at something and now all my fonts are smaller20:43
qbitit was normal all day until I opened systemsettings, weird20:44
BluesKajqbit,  reset the fonts in system settings>application appeareance>fonts20:47
qbitgonna have to, as well as everywhere else I've customized20:47
BluesKajqbit,  udating to a new kde resizes and resets the fonts to the default20:47
qbitwhat's weird is they were all the way I had 'em set all day (I updated this morning, early) - then started systemsettings and they all reset20:48
qbitlol20:48
qbitalways something20:48
BluesKajsame goes for any apps you use with root permissions , so type kdesudo systemsettings in the krunner and do the dame there20:49
BluesKajdame=same20:49
qbitI've been using KDE since 1.45g, you'd think I'd be used to it by now  :-)20:49
BluesKajthat's what Idon't like about updating kde , the configs are mostly lost20:50
marcel_hehe20:53
marcel_nice20:53
marcel_:D20:53
rocketfish2http://pastebin.com/NjrNDw13 <--dmesg-- help , usb drive rocketfish 3.5 external usb drive can be used by windows and mac, but not linux. linux sees the hard ware and even a usb flash drive plugged into the rocketfish external drive, but accessing the drive fails.21:07
* rocketfish2 is away. phone call.21:07
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qbitso much for Dolphin in 4.8 being "better" - can't copy to smb:// any more.....21:36
qbitcan copy "from", but not "to"///21:37
qbitso annoying to read all about PR and how everything is so great and then find stuff like this that should have never made it out of QA21:40
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qbitKonqueror as file manager doing exact same thing21:50
hjartprobably because it's the smb kio thing which does it and not the browsers21:51
qbitI can right click on a local file and select copy, then go over to the other split window to the smb share and right click and choose 'paste one file' and it will copy21:52
qbittry to drag and drop the way it used to work and there is no context menu available21:52
qbitwhen going 'to' the smb share, but copying from the smb share is fine21:53
qbitsuch obvious brokeness should not be in something called "Release", and it is just one of a slowly growing list of things I'm finding21:54
qbitI guess next thing I need to do is move my .kde folder out of the way and see if this stuff still happens21:55
qbitor clonezilla my 4.7.4 image back and forget 4.821:55
qbitsystemsettings -> Login Screen -> Get New Themes shows the themes, you click on Install for one of them, it whirs for a minute but never shows up22:00
qbitmy .xsession-errors was 100K this morning from weeks and weeks, after 4.8 update in 4 hrs it was up to 3.2MB22:01
qbitI'm beginning to become a little disappointed with this update to 4.8 "Release"22:04
rosco_yWhen I am running UBUNTU from the CD, can I burn data to CDs, although I have only one CD drive?22:07
bobwya_qbit: even my ARCH install is still rolling with KDE 4.7.4 :-)22:14
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giorgio_se22:36
dies_iraeei23:04
dies_iraeis there a way to automatically change wallpaper from wallbase.cc?23:04
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dies_iraeinteresting, aha, ok, got it now.23:39
dies_iraeseems like the perfect solution23:39
dies_iraethanks a lot!!23:39
markus__what did you do?23:40
dies_iraemarkus__: preteding someone helped me with my question 40 minutes ago.23:41
dies_iraeah ok :D23:52
dies_iraewrong chan23:52

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