[03:05] <Fudge> anyone else noticed when trying  to install mangler a missing library upon running it
[03:05] <Fudge> from todays daily
[03:08] <bjsnider> what's the missing lib?
[03:16] <Fudge> error while openning shared libraries libgtkmm-2.4.so.1  cannot open shared object file nno such file or directory
[03:16] <Fudge> bjsnider  sorry had to typoe the error out
[03:23] <bjsnider> !find libgtkmm-2.4.so.1
[03:23] <bjsnider> install the first package there
[03:26] <Fudge> reinstalled it and it worked thanx heaps bjsnider
[07:46] <psypher246> hey all, been running in unity 2d for the last couple days due to not being able to install unity. dependency issue. Now I ran an update and unity 2d is broken, dash won't open just crashes immediatly :(
[07:49] <pro7o13x> hey all...got Kubuntu 12.04 installed, but seems to be missing the package manager muon or did it change names?
[07:49] <Ian_Corne> never heard of muon
[07:51] <pro7o13x> ok...whatever the name of the GUI frontend for the program management
[07:54] <Ian_Corne> software center?
[07:54] <pro7o13x> don't have that either
[07:55] <Tm_T> pro7o13x: how did you install it exactly?
[07:55] <pro7o13x> download and burned the ISO from ubuntu
[07:55] <Tm_T> hmm, ok
[07:56] <LINKSWORD2> Whee. What fun. So what's the package manager in Kubuntu 12 called?
[07:56] <Tm_T> LINKSWORD2: same as before (:
[07:56] <Tm_T> pro7o13x: had any issues during the install?
[07:56] <pro7o13x> Tm_T: no installed cleanly
[07:57] <Ian_Corne> Tm_T: and what is that? (i'm not a kde/kubuntu user)
[07:57] <LINKSWORD2> ... That's debatable. In everything I've used up until 11 released, it was KPackageKit. From 11.04 to 11.10, it's Muon.
[07:58] <pro7o13x> if I do "apt-get install muon" it offers to install....guess I'll do that
[07:58] <Tm_T> I believe it's still muon
[08:00] <pro7o13x> kinda weird that it wasn't installed with the system
[08:02] <Tm_T> I just use wajig so don't know what is going on with gui package managers really (:
[08:03] <pro7o13x> I usually use apt-get in konsole...but use the package manager to browse
[08:04] <Melon__Bread> Excuse me, does anyone know how safe it is to install the ATI Driver? I am on 12.04 Alpha1 64-bit (Up to date)
[08:05] <psypher246> hey all, been running in unity 2d for the last couple days due to not being able to install unity. dependency issue. Now I ran an update and unity 2d is broken, dash won't open just crashes immediatly
[08:07] <Ian_Corne> no clue psypher246
[08:08] <psypher246> damn will just have to be dash-less for a couple of days
[08:08] <pro7o13x> I do have to KDE4.8 is a huge upgrade in performance from 4.7....at least for me
[08:09] <pro7o13x> have to say**
[08:12] <Melon_Bread> Excuse me, does anyone know how safe it is to install the ATI Driver? I am on 12.04 Alpha1 64-bit (Up to date)
[08:12] <jo-erlend> it really hit the fan for me yesterday when I upgraded the newest updates. Everything became so broken, I had to reinstall the system.
[08:13] <pro7o13x> ouch
[08:13] <jo-erlend> No, that's ok. It just takes a little time, is all.
[08:14] <pro7o13x> it is still alpha...gonna happen
[08:14] <Ian_Corne> for me, the only thing "broken" is returning from screensaver with my screen rotated 90° and alt-tabbing
[08:14] <jo-erlend> I have fixed rate broadband and I only use free software, so.. :)
[08:14] <jo-erlend> besides, I never upgrade more than one computer at a time, so when things break, I use another one until I can fix it or reinstall, so it's not an issue. :)
[08:15] <pro7o13x> lol smart...do similar with my winblows laptop
[08:16] <jo-erlend> I'm looking forward to this problem going away. It will be nice when we can just undo the system upgrade.
[08:16] <psypher246> or just have home separate and have an onld stable ubuntu running on another part
[08:16] <psypher246> thats my failback
[08:16] <jo-erlend> psypher246, that's a good idea.
[08:16] <Ian_Corne> no
[08:16] <Ian_Corne> it's not
[08:16] <jo-erlend> it isn't?
[08:16] <psypher246> *sometimes* the home config details mess up
[08:16] <Ian_Corne> sharing your home with an other version
[08:16] <psypher246> not compatible
[08:16] <Ian_Corne> idd
[08:16] <jo-erlend> right.
[08:17] <Ian_Corne> i tried that, and messed up both installs and the home dir
[08:17] <jo-erlend> but you don't have to use the same home folder.
[08:17] <Ian_Corne> true
[08:17] <psypher246> that too
[08:17] <Ian_Corne> then, it's ok
[08:17] <psypher246> just not mount it as home, can still access it
[08:17] <psypher246> but yeah this is the first time I have broken precise since it's firt alpha
[08:17] <pro7o13x> I keep my files on a completely different HD and use another for the system
[08:18] <psypher246> been pretty stable
[08:18] <psypher246> I have completely missed oneiric, went right from natty to precise, wanted all the goodies
[08:18] <psypher246> and LOG BUGS :)
[08:18] <jo-erlend> heh... I did that once. So, my initials are 'jes' and I thought I'd add another account for the unstable testing. So, I added 'us' as short for "unstable". I then ended up with an account called 'jesus'. And I thought; "hmm, that's an interesting nick, but haven't I heard that somewhere before?" :)
[08:18] <psypher246> precise muts be precise
[08:18] <pro7o13x> and if I have a problem, I have a hotswap bay I can boot from
[08:21] <jo-erlend> psypher246, yes, for me too.
[08:22] <jo-erlend> oh, but all this will be solved  once we get btrfs, which should be at least in 11.10. I really wish we could get it in 12.04. It would be awesome.
[08:22] <jo-erlend> ... 12.10, I meant.
[08:29] <psypher246> jo-erlend: how does btrf help?
[08:29] <psypher246> btrfs*
[08:29] <psypher246> block level restore?
[08:29] <psypher246> versioning
[08:32] <psypher246> i can live without the dash but thank goodness the launcher still works
[08:36] <pro7o13x> anyone on kubuntu 12.04 know where the setting in dolphin to make it so its inline renaming instead of opening a new window
[08:36] <pro7o13x> ?
[08:38] <Ian_Corne> pro7o13x: try button f2
[08:38] <pro7o13x> lol thats to initialize renaming...
[08:41] <pro7o13x> its a setting to make it so instead of opening a window to rename it just does it right there inline on the file...but it no longer in the general settings of dolphin
[08:42] <jo-erlend> psypher246, snapshooting. Whenever you install a package, it'll take a snapshot, and if something goes awry, you'll just undo the install in a second, no matter how large the upgrades were.
[08:43] <psypher246> jo-erlend: halelujah!
[08:43] <psypher246> kewl
[08:43] <jo-erlend> so you'll be able to upgrade from one release to another, and if it turns out that your drivers doesn't work or something, just pop back to the old release.
[08:44] <jo-erlend> it will also allow time-machine travels, so you can go back five minutes if you deleted something you shouldn't, or made an unfortunate edit, for example.
[08:44] <psypher246> kickass
[08:45] <jo-erlend> seriously is. The only problem now, is that there's no fsck for it yet, so if you have a power outage or a kernel freeze or something, then there's no way to fix it.
[08:45] <pro7o13x> lol sweet ...opening up printing crashes settings
[08:46] <psypher246> will you be able to resize like in ext?
[08:46] <jo-erlend> psypher246, much easier and faster. And you don't need partitions anymore. You also won't need raid as it does raid on the data level.
[08:47] <psypher246> like zfs?
[08:47] <jo-erlend> so you can just add new disks and expand the filesystem to use it.
[08:47] <jo-erlend> psypher246, it has many similar features, but this is in the kernel.
[08:47] <psypher246> cool, looking forward to it. but will take about a year then?
[08:48] <jo-erlend> psypher246, probably not. Oracle says it'll use it by default in their next release.
[08:49] <jo-erlend> btrfs is in now. We just need btrfs-progs and as I understand it, it's nearly finished, so it's a possibility that we might still get it in 12.04, though I think it's unlikely that it'll be used by default.
[08:50] <psypher246> better that way, like when ext4 was introduced, option for one release, default the next
[08:52] <Ian_Corne> doest btrfs have read support under windows?
[08:52] <jo-erlend> yes. We do have the option, at least in the alternate installer.
[08:52] <jo-erlend> Ian_Corne, no.
[08:53] <pro7o13x> windows will never have native read, let alone native write to anything but itself...sad really
[08:53] <jo-erlend> never is a long time to speculate about.
[08:54] <pro7o13x> if they did...it wouldn't "lock" everyone into using their product
[08:54] <jo-erlend> Microsoft does many things that goes against their primary interests. For example, they are contributing to Samba4 now, which enables better compatibility between Ubuntu and Windows.
[08:55] <Ian_Corne> pro7o13x: I'm not even talking about native
[08:55] <Ian_Corne> just any driver would do :)
[08:55] <jo-erlend> they also contributed 1.4% of the patches to Linux last year.
[08:55] <pro7o13x> lan_corne: well there is an app for ext3 read, don't know about btrfs though
[08:55] <Ian_Corne> It's Ian
[08:55] <jo-erlend> or perhaps that was one release, I'm not sure. :)
[08:55] <Ian_Corne> not lan :p
[08:55] <pro7o13x> oh oops, sorry
[08:56] <pro7o13x> looks the same in my font
[09:26] <jo-erlend> actually... Come to think of it, I'll use btrfs for my root the next time I install, but keep ext4 for my home. That would've saved me 1.5 hours so far today.
[09:42] <rigved> hi eveyone. i had installed gnome shell in precise. now i want to completely remove it. so, will removing gnome-shell, followed by autoremove be enough to completely remove it? i want to keep unity but remove gnome shell (gnome, gnome classic and gnome classic fallback).
[09:54] <LordKow> i find it odd that the desktop locks screen when you click on your user account in the upper right corner, just seems like an odd thing for the click to result in.
[13:15] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:48] <LjL> do MTP devices work for you? nothing happens here when i connect them, and mtp-tools finds no devices as well. although Digikam seems to find it, but then it doesn't connect to it.
[14:08] <BluesKaj> hmm, my /etc/resolv.conf is suddenly being overwritten at boot by this ,  # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) #     DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
[14:22] <ikonia> BluesKaj: network manager type behaviour
[14:22] <ikonia> BluesKaj: I'm assuming you're using dhcp
[14:31] <BluesKaj> konia , I'm using static IP on the lan , no network manager , using /etc/neteorki/interfaces , /etc/resolv.conf (which is now suddenly being overwritten by some resolver app that tries resolv it to my /etc/hosts file by the IP i see there) , noe my dns entrie get overwritten and I have re-enter them after every boot
[14:31]  * BluesKaj cleans his glasses
[14:32] <BluesKaj> let me rephrase , my resolv.conf file is now taken over by some resolver app that acts like network manager used to
[14:33] <BluesKaj> ikonia,  ^
[14:34] <ikonia> BluesKaj: I get you
[14:34] <ikonia> BluesKaj: you need to find out what network manager application in KDE is trying to do this (I'm assuming you're still using KDE)
[14:37] <BluesKaj> ikonia,  yes I know that , but I didn't think kde was responsible Dynamic resolv.conf seems to be the culprit , whatever app that is ...I haven't done any research yet .. i thought I'd ask first
[14:39] <ikonia> BluesKaj: there is no such thing as "dynamic resolv.conf" it's a network manager app that's doing dhcp (or trying to) update your ip address (but failing as you have a static set) and your dns servers - succeeding against your will
[14:40] <BluesKaj> ok, gonna search for the culprit ,..it has to be something new in kde 4.8 , btw ikonia
[14:40] <ikonia> it's the kde version of gnome-network-manager, what that is/called who knows
[14:43] <BluesKaj> ikonia,  I have every version of networkmanager removed that i can find in synaptic
[14:44] <ikonia> BluesKaj: I don't know what the KDE ones are called though.....they maybe called super-config
[14:44] <BluesKaj> yes  I still use synaptic as a reference
[14:44] <ikonia> (for all I know)
[14:52] <BluesKaj> update-inetd ? Ikonia
[14:52] <ikonia> nah
[14:52] <ikonia> inetd's nothing to do with that
[14:52] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:53] <ikonia> BluesKaj: here's an idea, (if you fancy a test)
[14:53] <ikonia> BLZbubba: oh
[15:03] <BluesKaj> fixed , ikonia , had to add the dns nameservers in the etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head file instead of directly into resolv.conf .. seems somewhat convoluted but it works
[15:19] <ikonia> BluesKaj: what the deveil is that lot ????
[15:19] <ikonia> BluesKaj: what reads that file
[15:22] <BluesKaj> ikonia,  apparently this new dynamic resolv app transfers the dns info to resolv.conf from /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head , beacuae now all my dns entries that had to edit/enter there (with nano in the terminal, btw , kate wouldn't open) are now in resolv.conf
[15:34] <ikonia> BluesKaj: what new dynamic resolver app ?
[15:37] <BluesKaj> ikonia,  ok , here , http://paste.ubuntu.com/818928/
[15:40] <BluesKaj> ikonia,  I've never seen any references to this [Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8)] before in any of the networking files , especially resolv.conf
[15:43] <ikonia> BluesKaj: is this an "ubuntu" thing or a kde thing ?
[15:44] <ikonia> BluesKaj: I've seen dynamic dns created resolv.conf files, many time, but it's by tools such as network-manager
[15:45] <BluesKaj> ikonia,  dunno for sure , but I suspect it might be a kde 4.8 thing since this disn't start 'til yesterday when I upgraded to 4.8
[15:45] <ikonia> that would seem sensible they have probably built that sort of functionality into the desktop core
[15:46] <BluesKaj> ikonia,  agreed , NM overwrites any edits in resolv.conf , so that's why i don't use NM
[15:46] <ikonia> BluesKaj: it has it's place, I find it exceptionally useful on laptops moving around a lot
[15:47] <BluesKaj> yeah, same here ..I use it on mine as well ...altho i'm sill waiting for my daughter to return it to us
[16:09] <enseven> I found an issue with kworker on kernel versions: 3.2.0-10-generic, 3.2.0-8-generic and 3.2.0-2-generic. When I do "dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/zero1.tmp bs=1024 count=13000000" kworker threads start eating up my CPU-time as described in: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/887793 posting 22 and 23. Older kernel versions do not seam to be affected like 3.0.0-13-generic. Can anyone help me?
[19:17] <ironhalik> Hello
[19:18] <ironhalik> I seem to by missing my audio device - is there any workaround?
[19:26] <BluesKaj> aplay -l , ironhalik
[19:27] <ironhalik> http://pastebin.com/wuZ4Fem0
[19:32] <BluesKaj> ironhalik,  sudo modprobe snd-ca0106
[19:33] <ironhalik> thx
[19:33] <BluesKaj> ironhalik,  then make sure your alsamixer vols are all turned up and unmuted
[19:35] <ironhalik> and since Im here
[19:35] <ironhalik> is there any fix for the insane CPU usage of Xorg?
[19:35] <ironhalik> thats pretty much the reason why I installed 12.04 - its supposed to be fixed
[19:41] <BluesKaj> ironhalik,  unity ?
[19:42] <ironhalik> Well, yeah thats probably it, but shouldnt compiz by ran on my GPU?
[19:42] <BluesKaj> depends on your gpu
[19:43] <ironhalik> Its GF8600, with nvidias drivers
[19:43] <ironhalik> glxgears give 5000fps, so opengl is working
[19:44] <BluesKaj> ironhalik,  is a browser open
[19:44] <ironhalik> yeah, chrome
[19:47] <BluesKaj> i'm using a 7600gt on this pc , but I'm not using unity or compiz ...kde here an Xorg is using minimal cpu , with desktop effects enabled and chromium browser open
[19:48] <ironhalik> yeah, my arch with gnome3 works nicely too
[19:49] <ironhalik> huh, after full update, I get black screen instead of lightdm :)
[19:49] <ironhalik> I guess Ill need to wait for beta at least :)
[20:13] <Hanmac> hay is it possible to change in Nautilus the filesize showing form SI to the other?
[20:28] <Armi^netbook> union.fr ziet er tegenwoordig best strak uit
[20:28] <Armi^netbook> reunion.fr
[20:28] <Armi^netbook> ow yo btw :D
[22:33] <ChrisGagnon> I am installing the  precise daily build and the installer crashes when configuring the network, is there a command I can use so it skips that step?
[22:35] <jtaylor> you can skip steps in the alternate installer
[22:43] <Essobi> Alt is a lot slower... was in my case anyway
[22:44] <jtaylor> slower? :O
[22:44] <jtaylor> if you use eatmydata its done in ~10 min tops
[22:59] <urlin2u> iceroot, png
[23:54] <coz_> hey guys .. this morningings dist-upgrade  broke nvidia I believe,, is that fixed??