[02:24] <Fudge> AlanBell  you alive?
[02:24] <Fudge> re ubiquity bug
[02:39] <Pendulum> Fudge: it's 2:30AM where he is
[02:42] <Fudge> oh oops
[02:42] <Fudge> thanks Pendulum 
[02:42] <Fudge> not sure if this is a bug what do you think
[02:42] <Fudge> on ubiquity where to install screen
[02:42] <Fudge> the middle option says install ubuntu replace window with ubuntu but i dont have windows, is that just generic or a bug
[02:43] <Fudge> since above the installer already recognizes that i only have ubuntu installed
[02:45] <Pendulum> it definitely sounds like it might be, but I don't have an install disk around to test
[02:45] <Fudge> cool
[02:46] <Fudge> hopeuflly someone will see the history anyway
[02:46] <Fudge> is gtk3-0 supposed to be held now?
[02:46] <Fudge> and libgail-30 gtk-3-common etc
[02:46] <Pendulum> maco: is this one of the things that was going to be fixed in labeling?
[02:46] <Fudge> i could not flat review to see exactly what the erro was, i.e two items seperated by a /
[02:48] <Pendulum> Fudge: I assume, btw, that you're saying what Orca is reading out, right?
[02:49] <Fudge> yes Pendulum  that's correct, when i asked a friend yesterday though he did not see windows written there
[02:49] <Fudge> does it help that when setting up your user there is an inconsistency there too, what is your name orca says but the edit box on screen says something different
[03:07] <Pendulum> I think what it's doing is telling you too much information
[03:07] <Pendulum> as in, the "replace window with ubuntu" is what the option should be doing since your machine already has Ubuntu on it
[03:09] <Pendulum> so that all you should hear is "install ubuntu"
[03:09] <Pendulum> but I'm not positive. I'll look at it in the morning :)
[03:13] <Fudge> yeah i agree thanks Pendulum 
[10:20] <Pendulum> TheMuso: If CCSM is removed from Ubuntu, how much extra work is it going to be to make it possible to access eZoom from another control?
[15:33] <maco> Pendulum: yeah thats a known thing
[15:38] <AlanBell> well it would be nice for eZoom to be activated by the zoom setting in the universal access preferences
[15:38] <AlanBell> right now I don't think that does anything unless you have gnome shell magnifier somehow
[15:38] <Pendulum> AlanBell: yeah. I'm mostly wondering how much work that would be
[15:39] <Pendulum> since they're talking about removing CCSM for Precise and we need Precise to also be accessible
[15:39] <AlanBell> probably not much to just turn it on and off, but there is more to tinker with than on and off
[15:39] <AlanBell> yeah I know :(
[15:39] <AlanBell> jcastro is on a crusade
[15:40] <Pendulum> yeah
[15:41] <Pendulum> which mostly doesn't bother me, just I don't want to break something that only just got fulling working!
[15:41] <Pendulum> especially when it's something that was missing last cycle
[15:41] <Pendulum> (and my guess is that magnification is one of the most commonly used tools, possibly even more than Orca)
[15:42] <AlanBell> yeah, I would think so
[15:42] <Pendulum> *a11y tools
[15:42] <AlanBell> it is pretty handy when doing a presentation on a projector too
[15:43] <Pendulum> I can think of many use cases
[15:44] <AlanBell> there are loads of other cool things in compiz, it is really powerful
[15:47] <Pendulum> Fudge: in case you didn't see, it's a known issue and we're working on a fix :)
[15:48] <Pendulum> or, rather I've asked maco to teach me how to fix it so I can go recheck and fix button labels again :)
[15:50] <AlanBell> bug 922657
[15:50] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 922657 in software-center "The Big A11y/orca/keyboard only list" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/922657
[22:15] <TheMuso> Ooo nice to see a bug for software center. I just spent more time this last week doing ubiquity label associations.
[22:40] <AlanBell> yeah, davmor2 spent most of the day playing with orca I think
[22:41] <AlanBell> [12:30]  * davmor2 is spending a day in orca/keyboard land to see what you can and can't do in USC
[22:41] <AlanBell> [12:43] <davmor2> AlanBell: it's a real eye opener on how bad an experience you are likely to get to be honest :(
[22:55] <Pendulum> he and I talked about it at UDS
[22:55] <Pendulum> he'd like things fixed because it'll make automated testing easier, but he definitely is on board with the a11y concerns as well
[23:09] <Fudge> thank you Pendulum