[00:06] <Azelphur> Is there something I can use to log all the packets to and from a specific address?
[00:07] <AlanBell> wireshark
[00:08] <AlanBell> though that is more for investigating stuff real time than a long term logging thing
[00:10] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:28] <HazRPG> AlanBell: hows it going dude?
[00:33] <AlanBell> not so bad HazRPG
[00:33] <AlanBell> how is egypt?
[01:01] <HazRPG> AlanBell: good good
[01:02] <HazRPG> AlanBell: yeah egypt isn't too bad really, slowly getting settled in (along with catching up on local family drama that they apparently didn't want to tell me about in the past because they didn't want me to worry too much)
[01:03] <HazRPG> AlanBell: amazing how much stuff happens when your not around 24/7
[01:04] <HazRPG> weekends being friday/saturday just seems awkward btw
[01:05] <HazRPG> i was use to thurs/fri in saudi, and obv sat/sun UK... but fri/sat just seems random
[01:09] <popey> AlanBell: looked at the source for myunity?
[01:09] <popey> Good old BASIC
[01:11] <HazRPG> hurray for BASIC \o/
[01:15] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] Plasma and KDE Applications 4.8 on Kubuntu - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4529
[01:15] <directhex> BASIC?
[01:16] <directhex> oh, gambas
[01:16] <directhex> for people who pine after VB6 ._.
[01:20] <ubuntubhoy> I was thinking more CB86 myself
[01:21] <directhex> QBASIC was the best BASIC
[01:22] <ubuntubhoy> that was the free QuickBasic ?
[01:22] <ubuntubhoy> or have I got it the wrong way round
[07:09] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:53] <AlanBell> popey: heh, no, I didn't realise it was BASIC
[07:54] <AlanBell> I did look at the source for compizconfig-settings-manager and I have patched it to remove the slider bars
[08:19] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:23] <danfish> greetings
[08:35] <smittix> Morning all
[08:36] <czajkowski> how are we all this fine friday morning
[08:37] <MooDoo> morning morning, i'm fine czajkowski thanks, hows the back?
[08:37] <czajkowski> good thanks
[08:38] <smittix> Not too bad, at least it's friday!
[08:38] <MooDoo> ace
[08:38] <czajkowski> was a little bit sore last nigth after physio
[08:38] <MooDoo> yay
[08:38] <MooDoo> that was to smittix not you czajkowski lol
[08:38] <smittix> heh
[08:38] <czajkowski> ;)
[08:40] <MooDoo> just changed all my dns over to opendns, so noticed and improvement.
[08:40] <smittix> So there is an improvement MooDoo ?
[08:40] <MooDoo> yes sorry, typo
[08:41] <smittix> Cool
[09:00] <mrevell> Hello Ubuntuns
[09:02] <MartijnVdS> mrevell: Ubuntians?
[09:03] <MartijnVdS> Ubuntistas?
[09:03] <mrevell> Ubunteros :)
[09:03] <diplo> Morning all
[09:04] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps
[09:06] <Laney> howdy ho
[09:07]  * popey slaps mrevell 
[09:07]  * mrevell thanks popey
[09:07] <popey> bug 272826
[09:08] <popey> not that I'm a female contributor
[09:08] <popey> well, not on weekdays anyway
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> blame jono for that name, I think? :)
[09:09] <mrevell> popey, My heart has sunk a little at being reminded of that bug.
[09:09] <popey> heh
[09:09] <mrevell> MartijnVdS, Jeff Waugh I think.
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> mrevell: That long ago already? Time flied :)
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> flies *
[09:09] <mrevell> Sho does
[09:10] <popey> we're gonna hit a million bugs soon
[09:10] <MartijnVdS> ONE MILLION BUGS *pinky at corner of mouth*
[09:10] <bigcalm> Waugh, huh, what is he good for?
[09:10] <Myrtti> PINK mentio... oh
[09:11] <bigcalm> Heh, awwww
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: I triggered a highlight? :)
[09:11] <Myrtti> MARMITE DAMNIT
[09:13] <Myrtti> yes. yes you did.
[09:14] <popey> \o/
[09:14] <oimon> i'm watching loads of bugs that should have been closed or obsoleted. is there a policy on closing stuff that realtes to unsupported releases?
[09:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning Ubuntlings
[09:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> !!! IT'S FRIDAY !!!
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0
[09:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmm, ubot knows nothing about IT'S FRIDAY
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: time to teach it.
[09:21] <smittix> hmm bbpress doesnt seem to like permalinks
[09:33] <oimon> does xchat-gnome do native ubuntu notifications if someone mentions your name?
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> oimon: let's try :)
[09:33] <oimon> hmm
[09:34] <oimon> tryagain please?
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> oimon: let's try again!
[09:34] <oimon> meh. how lame
[09:34] <bigcalm> oimon: xchat does, don't know about the -gnome wrapper
[09:34] <oimon> orly, how weird
[09:35] <bigcalm> I don't actually know why there is a -gnome
[09:36] <oimon> allegedly a nicer ui
[09:37]  * oimon goes to check xchat plain
[09:41] <oimon> hmm. xchat plain seems better :P
[09:42] <bigcalm> oimon: but what of the highlighting thingy?
[09:42] <bigcalm> oimon: is there OSD notification joy?
[09:43] <Myrtti> lol
[09:43] <Myrtti> Finnish news are laughing at Daily Mail
[09:43] <Myrtti> "Winter's coming with a vengeance... Siberian storm to bring -5C temperatures to Britain and the big freeze could last a month"
[09:43] <Myrtti> Siberian storm :-DDDDD
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> woo -5
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: You're from Finland. Isn't -5°C a warm breeze over there? ;)
[09:44] <Myrtti> yes :-D
[09:44] <bigcalm> Myrtti: you know DM is not to be paid attention to?
[09:44] <oimon> bigcalm: i missed that due to no OSD :(
[09:44] <Daviey> I seem to be listening to beach boys, and loving it.
[09:44] <Myrtti> bigcalm: I know, but one of our main tv channels doesn't
[09:44] <Myrtti> http://www.mtv3.fi/uutiset/ulkomaat.shtml/2012/01/1484628/kylmaa-on-kuin-siperiassa-tama-on-brittien-kasitys-asiasta
[09:45] <bigcalm> I don't think Spotify liked being hybernated :S
[09:46] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:46] <bigcalm> Hi brobostigon
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> g'morning brobostigon
[09:46] <brobostigon> morninf bigcalm and MartijnVdS
[09:49] <oimon> does anyone use Document templates? right click on desktop and look at the create documnet menu option
[09:50] <oimon> i've never even noticed it before.
[09:53] <popey> i have noticed it, and never used it
[09:55] <sagaci> oimon: or lack of templates, you mean
[09:55] <oimon> bug 372132
[09:55] <bigcalm> I don't think I even used that feature on ms windows
[09:56] <oimon> it would be useful if it allowed openoffice and other new documents, or new tomboy note
[09:56] <oimon> but rather pointless without clear guidance on adding templates, or without default ones
[09:56] <sagaci> yep, I don't understand why they keep it empty, with only Empty Document available
[09:57] <oimon> the weird thing about the rationale behind keeping it empty, should mean that it is hidden until you add templates, since it is useless otherwise
[10:01] <andylockran> Morning Campers
[10:04] <brobostigon> morning andylockran
[10:04] <AlanBell> oimon: wow, that is a really cool feature I never knew existed
[10:04] <oimon> AlanBell: yeah, and i've used ubuntu since 2004
[10:09] <smittix> I use the Templates dir quite alot. Right click and create an invoice is pretty handy.
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> smittix: but it's poorly documented (to say the least)
[10:09] <shauno> that's been in nautilus for as long as I can remember.  and always felt broken, since $XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR defaults to $HOME (or $HOME/Templates in ubuntu).  feels like something that belongs under /usr/share so packages can populate it
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> shauno: both really
[10:12] <shauno> well being able to add them per-user is A Neat Trick.  having 'new abiword document' there because you have abiword install just seems completely obvious
[10:13] <smittix> MartijnVdS: Yeah, I only found it through a some obscure google search.
[10:13] <shauno> relevant: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/17439/
[10:14] <oimon> wow, i'd forgotten all about that site
[10:15] <popey> you and everyone else
[10:17] <shauno> well, there's nothing there saying that it's left for archive purposes and all the cool kids have moved to stackexchange.  but good idea is still a good idea
[10:17] <gord> someone reminded me the other day that slashdot still existed, surprised me
[10:17] <bigcalm> Fnar fnar
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> gord: CmdrTaco no longer works there though
[10:18] <oimon> slashdot still ha interesting stories
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> I prefer Ars myself
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> ArsTechnica++
[10:18] <oimon> oeer missis
[10:18] <oimon> good recovery
[10:18] <shauno> I've never gotten around to removing slashdot from my feed reader, but they do tend to be a few days behind everyone else now
[10:19] <gord> i always found the slashdot story feed to just be inflammatory articles designed to agitate its reader base. its the daily mail of software news
[10:19] <oimon> it saves me reading everything about everything. if i've already seen the story then meh, but otherwise the articles are often interesting topics
[10:19] <oimon> but gord, you read reddit :P
[10:19] <gord> for the cat pictures!
[10:20] <gord> reddit.com/r/aww is where it is at
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> gord: /r/adviceanimals
[10:20] <oimon> just realised i'd left that picture of a massive breakfast open in image viewer...and it's friday...hungry now
[10:20] <oimon> face it guys, we're too old for reddit
[10:20] <oimon> it's for kids
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> oimon: Reddit is fun.
[10:21] <gord> am 25 years old, prime demographic
[10:21] <oimon> gord: ah you look older :P
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> oimon: I can let my trolling bits run wild there ;)
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> (no NOT on /r/gonewild)
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> (nsfw, obviously)
[10:22] <oimon> demographic of reddit seems to be kids to want to know how to do stuff to girls
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> oimon: that's /r/askreddit. Just point them at /r/seduction and THEN point SRS at them :)
[10:23] <MartijnVdS> Trolling at its finest
[10:23] <popey> i never visit reddit ☹
[10:23] <popey> unless someone links to something specific
[10:23] <MartijnVdS> popey: you shuold :)
[10:23] <shauno> I rarely leave reddit.  I have an exceptionally dull job.
[10:23] <gord> the key to reddit is to just find your niche, subscribe to the smaller subreddits that you find interesting and remove the bigger annoying ones full of morons
[10:24] <MartijnVdS> gord: and /r/random
[10:28] <gord> really wish the local co-op wasn't having a sale on christmas chocolates. i bought these cadbury heroes for dirt cheep on monday and have inhaled 2/3rds the box
[10:32] <popey> \o/ cleaner has left, i can emerge from my cave
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> To the pope-mobile!
[10:33] <brobostigon> lol
[10:33] <diplo> Cleaner?!?!? Don't you work from home now ?
[10:33] <gord> main reason i don't have a cleaner, the awkwardness
[10:33] <popey> diplo: yes, i work from home, I don't clean from home
[10:33] <gord> jerry seinfeld put it best. i'm sorry i'm such a slob.. i could of cleaned that up, i'm just lazy. i know. i'm so sorry
[10:34] <diplo> pfft :)
[10:34] <popey> wifey works full time too
[10:36] <smittix> Anyone any good with Wordpress?
[10:36] <popey> wassup?
[10:37] <smittix> Installed BBPress and it doesnt seem to like Permalinks.
[10:37] <popey> never used bbpress
[10:37] <smittix> ahh, actually let me see if mod_rewrite is actually on.
[10:49] <smittix> HAH, What a dumbass. I hadn't even enabled mod_rewrite,duh.
[10:49]  * MartijnVdS points & laughs
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> ;)
[10:49] <smittix> :)
[10:50] <smittix> I was setting the VPS up all night. I was tired ;)
[11:00] <davmor2> morning all
[11:00] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod prod prodity prod prod prod prodity prod prod prod prod proddity prod!
[11:00] <oimon> cleaners are great. wifey doesn't work and we can barely afford it, but she is looking after our sprog. the cleaner works like a maniac for 2hrs and the house is good again
[11:00] <oimon> for another week
[11:03] <bigcalm> davmor2: https://twitter.com/#!/bigcalm/status/162645009705869312
[11:03] <MooDoo> hi davmor2
[11:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: morning dude
[11:03] <davmor2> bigcalm: nice
[11:04] <bigcalm> davmor2: it was waiting for me when I got home, hanging from the letter box
[11:04] <bigcalm> So no worries
[11:05] <bigcalm> I'll probably bring it in 2 weeks. So very pleased with it
[11:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: looks good to be honest
[11:06] <bigcalm> davmor2: and it was a good job I bought the Xoom when I did. It's no longer for sale on the Carphone Warehouse site
[11:08] <bigcalm> Gosh darn you skype. You've become rather pants in the last 16 hours
[11:08] <Daviey> bigcalm: You use skype?
[11:09] <Daviey> I guess you use skype for verbal, and ICQ for text chat?  How are those flares doing? :)
[11:10] <bigcalm> Daviey: I use skype for business calls and some clients like to converse over it as well
[11:10] <davmor2> Daviey: It's a work thing for him bless
[11:10] <bigcalm> Daviey: flares have moth holes in them :(
[11:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: install skype on your xoom and try that instead :)
[11:11] <bigcalm> Heh, tempting
[11:11] <daubers> Morning
[11:12]  * daubers attemptes to coat his throat in chocolatey goodness
[11:13] <bigcalm> If I get sick, I'll blame Alex and gord. But mostly Alex I think
[11:14] <gord> why me?!
[11:14] <gord> i'm a victim
[11:14] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:14] <bigcalm> Possibly infectious
[11:14] <gord> i'm going to bring smallpox next time out of spite
[11:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: just go on #wolveslug and blame moreati directly :D
[11:15] <bigcalm> Haha
[11:20] <bigcalm> Oh my goodness
[11:20] <bigcalm> I now have skype set up on the Xoom to take calls
[11:21] <bigcalm> And it works \o/
[11:21] <bigcalm> davmor2: ta for the suggestion
[11:21] <bigcalm> No idea if the video conferencing works though
[11:22] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'd go and get mine and tell you to call me but I can't be bothered :P
[11:23] <bigcalm> Hah
[11:25]  * smittix can't stop listening to Massive Attack - Tear Drops
[11:25] <smittix> Damn you spotify.
[11:25] <MooDoo> lol
[11:26] <smittix> I always do it with songs I like though. I will wear them out and not like them a week later.
[12:11] <czajkowski> davmor2: good day to you
[12:11] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod!
[12:17] <DJones> christel: Just came across a refence to this, thought you'd like it http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_L_xtQKmEeWU/S-nmKg_pX5I/AAAAAAAABtI/mQD6D5IZNjw/s1600/DSCF0821.JPG
[12:18] <bigcalm> Gooooooooo
[12:18]  * christel looksies
[12:19] <christel> OH MY GOD
[12:20] <davmor2> christel: but none for you :P
[12:23] <DJones> christel: Its supposed to be starting to appear in the shops
[12:28] <bigcalm> And nobody knows where it comes from
[12:28] <bigcalm> It just appears
[12:28] <DJones> I blame gremlins
[12:29] <davmor2> any a11y guys about?  if so how do you expand a collapsed tab?
[12:30]  * davmor2 is spending a day in orca/keyboard land to see what you can and can't do in USC
[12:31] <czajkowski> whoo sheldon is behaving well. abotyer 117 updates to go
[12:32] <czajkowski> might get rid of the annoying crash when I boot up and do nothing but seemingy something is broken
[12:32] <AlanBell> o/ davmor2
[12:32] <AlanBell> collapsed tab??
[12:34] <davmor2> AlanBell: goto the installed tab in USC you see accessories etc normally you would click on the pissy little arrow to expand the tab
[12:34] <AlanBell> usc is a train wreak
[12:36] <davmor2> AlanBell: Yes I know I'm being selfish though in that if I can get the A11y working better for orca/and real people  it will help with test automation through things like ldtp
[12:36] <AlanBell> davmor2: enter or sometimes right
[12:36] <davmor2> AlanBell: tried both nothing
[12:36] <AlanBell> yeah, ldtp is great
[12:36] <AlanBell> usc is full of nonstandard non-gtk non-working widgets
[12:37] <AlanBell> that isn't a real treeview control
[12:37] <davmor2> AlanBell: it say it is
[12:38] <AlanBell> + and - on the numeric keypad
[12:38] <davmor2> AlanBell: that's the one thanks
[12:38] <AlanBell> that might end up putting you into orca flat review mode too
[12:39] <AlanBell> so even with a mouse I can't expand the categories by double clicking the names of them
[12:39] <davmor2> AlanBell: no that seemed to work, however notification, notifyosd is starting to get on my wick
[12:40] <AlanBell> what you want is my speech dispatcher plugin that gets orca to append text to /tmp/orca.out
[12:41] <AlanBell> then you can tail -f orca.out in a window so you can read what it says
[12:41] <davmor2> AlanBell: unfortunately it just crashed USC not so good :)
[12:42] <davmor2> AlanBell: No I have gwibber on the go so it keeps popping up notification notifyosd not very useful to be honest :(
[12:43] <davmor2> AlanBell: it's a real eye opener on how bad an experience you are likely to get to be honest :(
[12:43] <AlanBell> indeed, going eyes-free is an eye-opener
[12:44] <AlanBell> at the moment barely anything apart from ubiquity has had any attention to orca readability
[12:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh wow, this Graphene stuff is so cool it's beginning to hurt: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/115909-graphene-the-perfect-water-filter
[12:49] <bigcalm> That is fantastic
[12:50] <bigcalm> Super-vodka!
[12:51] <MartijnVdS> \o/ super-vodka! :)
[12:51] <AlanBell> davmor2: every time a custom widget is used a kitten dies
[12:53] <davmor2> AlanBell: That has no effect on me, replace kitten with czajkowski and then I'd care who would I have to pick on then :D
[13:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> Funny, a friend is touring in SE Asia. She's just checked in to somewhere in Laos. I saw a "Get Directions" link on FB and thought it would be funny to see what it said... Bing Maps said - can't find a route. :-(
[13:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> Google, in about 2 secs gave me a 7500 driving direction map. :-)
[13:07] <MartijnVdS> aww :)
[13:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> 7809miles - 7 days.
[13:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> No stops.
[13:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-(
[13:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> Through some very dodgy areas too.
[13:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> So I guess maybe Bing is right to not suggest a driving route.
[13:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> Krygystan, Tajikistan, Afganistan, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Burma... Dodgy.
[13:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Or I go through Iran on the alternative route :-D
[13:16] <MartijnVdS> Wow.. Google knows enough roads to plan a road trip to Asia.
[13:16] <MartijnVdS> Modern tech++
[13:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - two ways/
[13:19] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: what if you 'avoid highways'
[13:20]  * MartijnVdS is trying to find the longest possible route
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> from anywhere to anywhere
[13:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Dunno - Try it yourself. Stick an interesting destination like somewhere in Cambodia...
[13:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Longest route would probably be to Vladivostok or somewhere on the east coast of Russia. Or perhaps Alaska to Tierra del Feugo
[13:22] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: Cape Town to Колыма
[13:22] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: 19 days :)
[13:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cool.
[13:56] <smittix> mmm Fried Chicken
[14:10] <kvarley> When I add a PPA and update my sources list it says not found. Why is this?
[14:11] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: maybe the PPA doesn't exist for your version of Ubuntu
[14:14] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Ah yeah, that's the case
[14:14] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Ty
[14:18] <iclebyte> has any one seen a scenario when building a software RAID1 array via the 10.04LTS installer in which when creating the first MD device the only partitions listed are sda1 and sda2 - no sda1 and sdb1?
[14:23]  * mattt is waiting on lunch
[14:23]  * iclebyte doesn't seem to get lunches these days
[14:46] <mattt> iclebyte: that's horrible ... lunch is essential
[14:47] <Supermanintights> hey guys, i'm setting up a linode, using ubuntu 11.10 - and i've logged into it via ssh.  it's telling me to do the following: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/818885/  what's the command to edit via console again, I'm not 100% sure
[14:47] <Supermanintights> thanks
[14:48] <gord> haaah. kinect advert, runs on ubuntu ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsu-6wfCH7M
[14:52] <mattt> Supermanintights: vi/nano
[14:53] <Supermanintights> thanks
[15:02] <bigcalm> davmor2: I can confirm that video calls do not work with skype on the Xoom
[15:03] <popey> thats rubbish
[15:03] <MartijnVdS> They don't?
[15:03] <bigcalm> Doesn't work for me
[15:03] <popey> works on the transformer
[15:03]  * MartijnVdS uses GTalk anyway
[15:03] <bigcalm> Locks up the app which eventually has to be force closed
[15:04] <bigcalm> Voice calls work just fine
[15:04] <popey> oh, thats different
[15:05] <bigcalm> Installing skype told me that the device wasn't supported but might work anyway
[15:05] <bigcalm> So it does and it doesn't :)
[15:05] <bigcalm> Not that I need to use video calling for work though
[15:06] <popey> i left a transformer on, on my desk and suddenly skype call started, my brother was drunk video calling me
[15:06] <bigcalm> Haha
[15:06] <davmor2> popey: nice
[15:06] <bigcalm> I'm glad that I can sign into the same account on multiple devices
[15:07] <bigcalm> Skype IM on my workstation (which has a useable keyboard). Skype Audio on my Xoom (which doesn't).
[15:08] <davmor2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsu-6wfCH7M muhahahahah does this mean we can add this to bug1  1:47 in not the gnome menu :D
[15:10] <zleap> hi
[15:17] <Myrtti> tea ♥
[15:21] <AlanBell> well spotted davmor2
[15:21] <davmor2> AlanBell: not me someone else I just thought everyone else would like it :)
[15:22] <davmor2> AlanBell: Shockingly in USC it's not quite as bad as I thought,  it's mostly badly name/keyboard interactive buttons that seem to be the issue
[15:23] <davmor2> AlanBell: admittedly I am on page 3 of the bug report
[15:23] <AlanBell> there is a lot of unexpected navigation that doesn't work, like the thing on the left that you can't go up and down, you have to tab
[15:24] <AlanBell> and the toolbar fake notebook tabs with dropdown menus that are not menus
[15:24] <davmor2> AlanBell: already noted also it has no name so you don't know what you are tabbing up and down
[15:24]  * AlanBell expects a hot drink
[15:24] <popey> haha
[15:24] <AlanBell> soo predictable
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Warm whiskey?
[15:25] <popey> ☑
[15:25] <AlanBell> ☕
[15:25] <davmor2> haha
[15:25] <MartijnVdS> Too bad the Unicode6 emoticons don't play well with Irssi, or Screen
[15:25] <hamitron> so many special chars
[15:25] <hamitron> :/
[15:25] <MartijnVdS> 😣
[15:26] <MartijnVdS> it's screen
[15:26] <popey> we are a channel full of special characters
[15:26] <MartijnVdS> j.p.c
[15:26] <hamitron> that didn't work in YChat either
[15:26] <hamitron> popey, haha :D
[15:30] <davmor2> popey: and so says EPIC BRIAN :D
[15:47] <andylockran> popey: did you get paid much for that appearance?
[15:47] <popey> wut?
[15:48] <andylockran> EPIC BRIAN :p
[15:48] <popey> i have no idea what you're on about
[15:48] <andylockran> popey is sooo MoneySuperMarket.com
[15:48] <andylockran> you must have seen the advert?
[15:48] <davmor2> AlanBell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/922657 that's as far as I could get tabbing in webkitaccessibilty core dumped USC :(
[15:49] <andylockran> am I imagining things?
[15:49] <davmor2> AlanBell: feel free to add any I missed :)
[15:50]  * Pendulum subscribes to bug
[15:50] <AlanBell> awesome
[15:51] <Pendulum> davmor2: also thank you :)
[15:52] <davmor2> Pendulum: I did say I would stay on top of them, again purely selfish reasons it'll make automation easier :)
[15:52] <zleap> hmm,  listening to the moody blues, nights in white satin, the picture in vlc is starwars errant knight
[15:53] <davmor2> zleap: and what is wrong with that, he is a knight in white satin ;)
[15:54] <zleap> nothing it is supposded to display the album or single cover,  it does however come up with some really interesting pictures sometimes
[15:55] <zleap> AlanBell, can i message you please ?
[15:55] <AlanBell> zleap: sure, but I might go unresponsive, loads of screaming kids are about to arrive
[15:55] <zleap> ok
[15:56] <davmor2> unity spotify people do you use the spotify scope?
[15:56] <bigcalm> I want new spotify :(
[15:57] <gord> do you still have to pay for spotify to get the linux version?
[15:57] <bigcalm> Time to look at windows version in wine
[15:57] <bigcalm> No idea, but I pay
[15:58] <davmor2> gord: no idea I just saw the top ten lens link in omgubuntu and thought I'd have a look
[15:58] <Myrtti> I probably use it as much on my mobile, so I pay as well
[15:58] <popey> davmor2: i have used it
[15:58] <gord> everyone says spotify is a really great thing, but last time i used it it was horrible... should try it again i guess
[15:59] <bigcalm> Nope, windows version doesn't work in wine in 11.10 for me :(
[16:00] <gord> crazy people still on 11.10
[16:00] <bigcalm> :P
[16:01] <gord> (it prolly doesn't work on 12.04 either)
[16:01] <davmor2> gord: add me to the crazy list, I have all sorts :P
[16:01] <gord> i don't have a crazy list, i have a "sane" list. it consists of me and my cat.
[16:01] <bigcalm> Mow
[16:01] <diplo> 9.10/10.04 and 11.10 here :/
[16:02] <diplo> Scared breaking my revo putting 11.10 on it for xbmc :)
[16:02] <diplo> breaks on two of my other machines
[16:02] <davmor2> gord: ther eare one to many on that list.......the cat can stay
[16:03] <gord> i think one of my xbmc machines is on maverick. eh. no point in upgrading them
[16:03] <gord> i'll prolly upgrade them all to 12.04 once that is out and stay on there
[16:04] <davmor2> gord: for a couple of years or so right :)
[16:04]  * hamitron is waiting till he does anything major
[16:05] <gord> davmor2, 5 is the aim ;)
[16:05] <gord> spotify seems to think every computer is a mac
[16:06] <davmor2> gord: Yeah but they'll be a newer lts out in 2 years :)
[16:06] <gord> right. but for an xbmc, what is there that i could want in a newer lts?
[16:06] <gord> wut. spotify is in qt. but uses the gtk file chooser?
[16:07] <davmor2> gord: shiny shiny
[16:07] <davmor2> gord: oh nice
[16:09] <gord> well spotify just crashes constantly and couldn't play half my mp3 files. nevermind then.
[16:10] <diplo> gord, you using eden ?
[16:19] <bigcalm> How might I use grep to find instances of <? not <?php ?
[16:20] <drhodesmumby> bigcalm: I'd first grep for the <? then pipe the results of that into a grep -v for the <?php
[16:20] <drhodesmumby> bigcalm: -v gives you results which don't contain the search string, so you'd be stripping out <?php from your original grep's results.
[16:20] <bigcalm> drhodesmumby: indeed, I use it to remove svn results. Ta for the mental prod :)
[16:21] <drhodesmumby> bigcalm: no problem. :-)
[16:23] <drhodesmumby> Hello everyone by the way.
[16:24] <dwatkins> beware of unescaped chevrons when grepping like that
[16:25] <dwatkins> I've wiped-out whole logfiles grepping for usernames in IRC logs.
[16:25] <bigcalm> My line did what I needed :)
[16:25] <bigcalm> grep -r "<?" ./ | grep -v svn | grep -v "Derivatives.ppx" | grep -v "<?php" | grep -v sql | less
[16:25] <dwatkins> Linux saves an otherwise disastrous day :D
[16:26] <bigcalm> Short tags are rife in this project and it's not working when short tags are disabled :)
[16:27] <drhodesmumby> There's probably a more elegant way to do it with a single grep, but quite frankly why dig when pipes and -v are so simple? :P
[16:28] <bigcalm> Indeed
[17:09] <andylockran> yeah, I dig pipes :D
[17:11] <bigcalm> Really what I need to look for are "<? " and "<?\n"
[17:12] <bigcalm> \n being a new line
[17:16] <drhodesmumby> bigcalm: doesn't grep recognise the newline character?
[17:16] <drhodesmumby> A quick google suggests $ at the end of the pattern is a newline.
[17:26] <christel> Nafallo: you around?
[17:28] <gordonjcp> y'know, in 11.10 the search-y thing in alt-f2 doesn't match full words either
[17:29] <gordonjcp> alt-f2, type "evinc" first suggestion is evince, type "evince" and the first suggestion is "evince-previewer"
[17:31] <bigcalm> Almost forgot to find and replace <?= with <?php echo
[18:00] <bigcalm> mgdm: ping
[18:15] <Pendulum> TheOpenSourcerer: are you around? I need a chili expert
[18:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Could be!
[18:15] <Pendulum> do you know of any sites that would be good for identifying chilis?
[18:16] <Pendulum> my mum has just brought home about 5 different types, but didn't keep track of what they were
[18:16] <Pendulum> so I am probably going to play "match the chili" this afternoon to try to sort it
[18:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Take some decent pictures and let me have a look over the weekend. If you are RHS members they can identify any plant from you. Or ask on Twitter - There are quite a few chilli experts on there.
[18:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Being accurate on species can be hard because many varieties look the same.
[18:17] <Pendulum> TheOpenSourcerer: I should probably mention that she's cooking them tonight
[18:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> What do you really want to know about them?
[18:18] <Pendulum> well, actually over the afternoon
[18:18] <Pendulum> I'd like to know what they are
[18:18] <Pendulum> that's really all I care about
[18:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Pictures should be enough to give you a decent idea.
[18:21] <Pendulum> I should probably mention that some of them are dried
[18:24] <Pendulum> TheOpenSourcerer: mostly we're a bit in shock as she went off to shop at 9AM and it took her 3 1/2 hours to come back and we think she bought out the store
[18:25] <Pendulum> and she doesn't even like chilis
[18:36] <awilkins> Have we had a row^W discussion about ACTA today?
[19:27] <ali1234> eve redesigned their menu... now it works exactly like unity
[19:28] <ali1234> i find this hilarious
[19:28] <ali1234> the only thing it doesn't have is a dash
[19:29] <ali1234> it has a classic style start menu instead
[19:51]  * AlanBell facepalms at the myunity form
[19:52] <AlanBell> and gambas in general (though that might be unfair)
[20:19] <Azelphur> syslog = dmesg right?
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: no
[20:20] <Azelphur> how does one look at the syslog? :P
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: dmesg prints the contents kernel message buffer
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: klogd also reads that, and sends it to syslog
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> (it ends up in /var/log//kern.log)
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: Usually in files in /var/log :)
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: check /etc/rsyslog.conf and /etc/rsyslog.d/* for details
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: (or /etc/syslog.conf on older systems with syslogd instead of rsyslogd)
[20:21] <Azelphur> ah, /var/log/syslog
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: yes, depending on log level (severity) and source (facility)
[20:21] <mattt> evening all
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> hi mattttttt
[20:24] <mattt> MartijnVdS: how's things?  :)
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> OK :) Just ordered some Moo cards
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> moo++
[20:30] <zleap> what are moo cards
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> zleap: business cards (or half-height business cards) from moo.com
[20:33] <mattt> MartijnVdS: what's your business?
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> mattt: Not much really.. I just put some of my photos on the front, and my name + email on the back
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> mattt: I intend to give them out when making photos
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> mattt: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks
[20:40] <jacobw> evening
[20:42] <popey> AlanBell: haha, had a look at the source huh?
[20:44] <AlanBell> popey: yeah /o\
[20:44] <AlanBell> epic epic fail
[20:44] <popey> i know we can do better
[20:44] <zleap> ah
[20:44] <zleap> i get business cards from vistaprint
[20:45] <AlanBell> popey: yeah, I am sure it is possible
[20:45] <AlanBell> did you see all the hard coded do this if distribution is "Ubuntu 11.04" stuff
[20:45] <popey> yes
[20:46] <zleap> ohh stickers,  could make some custom ubuntu-uk stickers :)
[20:46] <AlanBell> and the super-wide single form with non-standard widgets to scroll bits of it into view, never mind the fact you can tab out of the visible area
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> zleap: easily.
[20:46] <popey> http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/01/27/ubuntu-developer-summit-sponsorship-now-open-3/
[20:46] <zleap> yeah
[20:46] <AlanBell> so yeah, myunity could be done better, yes.
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> zleap: My sister is a teacher, she has some ideas like "make a card game"
[20:47] <zleap> cool
[20:47] <mattt> MartijnVdS: you seem to go to a lot of music shows
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: what is "gambas"?
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> mattt: Not as many as I used to
[20:47] <popey> !info gambas
[20:47] <popey> bah
[20:48] <jacobw> VB
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> Is it Visual BASIC for Linux?
[20:48] <popey> !info gambas2
[20:48] <popey> yes
[20:48] <zleap> 50 stickers/labels 	£15.99
[20:49] <zleap> could be good,  popey would we be able to use the ubuntu-uk logo for this legally ?
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> zleap: you can have every sticker/label be different if you want
[20:49] <popey> depends if you want to sell them or give them away
[20:49] <zleap> give them away
[20:50] <AlanBell> advocacy stuff is fine
[20:50] <zleap> or stick them on things
[20:50] <popey> yeah, no problem
[20:50] <zleap> cool
[20:50] <zleap> so logo + website would be a good idea, that it acts as advoacy for ubuntu
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> zleap: want my referral code? (gives me a small discount next time I order something :))
[20:52] <zleap> can do,  but not ordering just yet, but something to keep hold of for later
[20:52] <popey> make sure you use the official logo, not the old multi-colour one
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> the new purple one?
[20:52] <popey> http://design.ubuntu.com/ has the brand guidelines
[20:52] <AlanBell> or the LoCo logo
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> Or your hackergotchi ;)
[20:54] <popey> The giant floating head of Alan Bell
[20:54] <popey> I typo'd that as Alanb Ell which I think looks better
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> stick it around town!
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> Al Anbell
[20:55] <popey> A Lanbell
[20:55] <zleap> http://www.zleap.net/ i got it on my website too ( well the new ubuntu one not the ubuntu-uk one)
[20:55] <popey> ask dave taylor?
[20:59] <zleap> who me ?
[21:03] <zleap> ok,   i am filling in an application form,  one of the catagories says I need to be familar with new technologies so I have put I am familar with modern operating systems such as Linux
[21:03] <zleap> :D
[21:04] <zleap> hmm,   libreoffice does not always show up in the alt-tab list in 11.10
[21:05] <jacobw> \o/ hustle
[21:06] <zleap> ah,   right if I have 1 document open,  it does not show up, if I start a 2nd (new) document it shows up in alt-tab
[21:07] <zleap> While I am familiar with Windows.  I am more interested in modern and open  systems such as Linux (Ubuntu).
[21:10] <zleap> hi chrisccoulson
[21:10] <chrisccoulson> hi
[21:14] <zleap> how are you ?
[21:15] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Developer Summit Sponsorship Now Open - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/01/27/ubuntu-developer-summit-sponsorship-now-open-3/
[21:17] <ali1234> zleap: modern technologies = mobile development, apps stores, html5
[21:17] <zleap> ah
[21:17] <zleap> so ubuntu software centre etc
[21:17] <ali1234> and "the cloud"
[21:17] <zleap> this is a primary school teaching asssistnat psot
[21:17] <zleap> raspberry pI perhaps
[21:17] <ali1234> i think that covers most buzzards from the past 12 months
[21:18] <ali1234> buzzards lol
[21:18] <ali1234> that was not autocorrect, i actually typed that
[21:20] <zleap> ok
[21:20] <zleap> buzzwords i take it
[21:20] <jacobw> ah
[21:20] <zleap> ok so would raspberry Pi mean new technologies,
[21:20] <ali1234> i dunno about teaching posts
[21:20] <ali1234> i'd guess that it's not quite so bleeding edge
[21:21] <zleap> given that it is not even out, yet,  I am putting that i am familar with Linux which it will run,  so should not have a problem using it
[21:21] <ali1234> you should think about what you'll be doing, and then say you can do that
[21:21] <ali1234> i mean literally
[21:22] <zleap> helping kids with computers partly I guess
[21:22] <zleap> helping to support maths,  english, and the curriculum
[21:22] <zleap> sports
[21:23] <ali1234> there's no point saying you can use linux if they don't even know what that is
[21:23] <Azelphur> ali1234: I've got someone elses miner connected to my bitcoin daemon, got any ideas how I can calculate their hash rate?
[21:23] <zleap> maybe
[21:23] <ali1234> Azelphur: not without running a pool daemon
[21:23] <ali1234> or something else between bitcoind and them
[21:24] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea that's what I figured, I found bitcoin mining proxy if you've heard of it, but it doesn't seem to work any more
[21:24] <zleap> but would it be useful to know what Linux is given that the reaspberry pi is aimedat schools and will run it
[21:24] <zleap> ok will concentrate onother stuff too,
[21:24] <Azelphur> I've been trying to figure out why but without much luck, it seems to not accept/reject shares any more
[21:24] <ali1234> zleap: that is true, but it's not helpful t put it on a application if the persn reading it does not know what it is
[21:24] <zleap> Ok
[21:25] <zleap> so put familar with windows
[21:25] <ali1234> certainly, if they use windows
[21:25] <ali1234> which they probably do
[21:25] <zleap> which for me is XP,  given i dumped it at home 2 years ago
[21:25] <zleap> yeah,  they do in schools
[21:26] <zleap> ok i will re-word what I have put
[21:27] <zleap> i have a feeling on slight tangent note that many schools won't be able to afford these raspberry pies given budgets are already under strain
[21:27] <ali1234> they are not going to start marketing them to schools for a while anyway
[21:27] <popey> schools spend stupid money on computers
[21:28] <ali1234> the thing is, they spend lots of money on windows computers because they are expensive
[21:28] <MartijnVdS> popey: and not only in the UK.. my sister told me how they do it where she works (as a teacher)
[21:28] <ali1234> then they are going to say "we already have windows machines, why do we want this as well?"
[21:29] <popey> indeed
[21:29] <popey> the IT people will have no clue about RasPi
[21:29] <popey> the IT people in schools are able to teach office and little else
[21:29] <zleap> popey, so having some knowledge of it is a plus
[21:29] <StevenR> popey: that's not the fault of the people
[21:30] <StevenR> popey: the IT curriculum is basically rubbish
[21:30] <Azelphur> back when I went to school, the IT teacher wasn't that great, and also doubled as the PE teacher \o/
[21:30] <jacobw> headline: "£3 million computer project regenerates inner city school"
[21:30] <ali1234> it doesn't matter who's fault it is
[21:30] <zleap> which if I put I am familar with Linux ali1234 said don't no point in putting  Linux on my application if the person reading it doesn't know what it is
[21:31] <Azelphur> Didn't have a clue what she was talking about and just kept spreading FUD about how I was a security risk, I think it was a jelousy thing
[21:31] <jacobw> lol, IT and PE
[21:31] <mrevell> sup exciting Friday evening people?
[21:31] <shauno> tis an interesting combination
[21:31] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I've been told putty "caused viruses"
[21:31] <popey> StevenR: i didnt say it was
[21:31] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[21:31] <zleap> Azelphur, yeah I have had, that,   I find i get more repect from children by saying not sure
[21:31] <MartijnVdS> also, we played Netwars on the Novell network after hours :)
[21:32] <zleap> rather than tryung to pretend or make out I know everything
[21:32] <MartijnVdS> They didn't like that one :)
[21:32] <StevenR> popey: I know :)
[21:32] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: I've been told File > Save As in MS word was a virus and I was responsible for damaging a computer
[21:32] <zleap> Lol
[21:32] <jacobw> just leave stupid people alone ;p
[21:32] <jacobw> evolution takes care them
[21:32] <zleap> i have been given a bbc basic program to type in to gwbasic
[21:32] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMp1RrCy4w4
[21:32] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: and when I tried to explain that file > save and file > save as do the same thing, pointing out the title of the window, the teacher grabbed the mouse off me and went panic mode :D
[21:33] <MartijnVdS> NO actually THIS one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huPbTdqJhRo
[21:33] <shauno> that's pretty much the same anywhere you challenge authority
[21:34] <popey> depends how you do it
[21:34] <zleap> I really want to call this computer group I want to set up hacking group as we are essentially hacking in the proper original meaning sense
[21:35] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: \o/
[21:35] <Azelphur> but re good/bad IT teachers, it really is the teachers fault as to how they handle it, I went through a number of schools
[21:35] <jacobw> zleap: hackspace?
[21:36] <zleap> yeah
[21:36] <zleap> try telling non geeks and managers that
[21:36] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: We had a few good teachers too. One wrote 64k demos (this was the mid 90s)
[21:36] <Azelphur> although I never did actually meet a good IT teacher, I had good music teachers a couple times
[21:36] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: cool :D
[21:36] <zleap> hacking = breaking into computers = illigal
[21:37] <Azelphur> I mean, I was grade 4 piano when I hit high school, there was one teacher that just said, here's a complicated piece of music go learn it and left me to my own devices
[21:37] <jacobw> IT in secondary education is just a lot of people inventing a job for themselves
[21:37] <Azelphur> and there was another teacher who made me complete all the mundane coursework about the basics of how to read sheet music, and got angry with me when I completed the coursework too fast haha
[21:37] <zleap> in year 9 i got to play with the doomsday cd,  a large lp size gold disk (circa 1989)
[21:37] <Azelphur> so that gives you a good reference of the good/bad context :p
[21:37] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: I'd love some kind of apprentice system. Teach someone the "tricks of the trade" of programming
[21:38] <zleap> back in the days when they let 1 year 9 and 2 year 7s use computers while the teacher was elsewhere
[21:38] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: that's kinda what IRC is, I've pointed quite a few people in the right direction, it's awesome to see someone evolve into a good programmer based on where you started em :p
[21:39] <jacobw> i learnt more from IRC than from school during the GCSE years
[21:39] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: Yeah, but it's even cooler IRL
[21:39] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: it's easier to spend an afternoon helping someone understand some complex bit
[21:39] <Azelphur> Yea, I've certainly learned way more from IRC than I have all the educational type places I've been, combined
[21:40] <zleap> i did give one of the kids a ubuntu cd the other day,  I think he said that his mum knew what ubuntu was,  so there is hope he may install it :D
[21:40] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: perhaps, usually I just break out collabedit or vnc/teamviewer and it works fine over the net :)
[21:42] <zleap> i think i may put multi tasking in conversation on this form,  as irc requries you to follow 1 conversation among many
[21:42] <jacobw> ha
[21:44] <jacobw> so does life in general
[21:44] <zleap> yeah
[21:44] <Azelphur> you should see me sometimes when I talk with my close friends, sometimes we have up to 3 conversations at the same time
[21:44] <Azelphur> (ie, talking to 1 person about 3 different topics in the same window at the same time)
[21:44] <zleap> i get that at the after school club,  several kids want you me to do / make something at the same time
[21:46] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:54] <dwatkins> Azelphur: try doing that in three languages ;)
[21:54] <Azelphur> haha
[21:54] <dwatkins> It's really difficult the first few times, even if you're fluent in them all, but you get used to it
[21:55] <Azelphur> :P
[22:07] <zleap> i guess if you are a hacker in the true sense then multitasking a true skill esp if you're programming and are holding on to lots of info at the same time
[22:09] <jacobw> humans can't multitask
[22:09] <jacobw> context switching is just too difficult for our wetware
[22:10] <zleap> neither can comptuers unless they can execute more than 1 instruction at exactly the same time
[22:10] <zleap> i was under the impression they just did this very fast,  so it seemed as if they can do this,  ok multi processor systems probably can
[22:11] <jacobw> its not about how fast you can process data, its about how well you can keep track of the data your processing
[22:11] <zleap> well our brain seems to be able to control lots of body functions at the same time
[22:12] <jacobw> the brain does
[22:12] <zleap> yeah
[22:12] <jacobw> the mind isn't involved
[22:12] <zleap> ah, so you meant the human mind can't not the brain
[22:12] <jacobw> yeah
[22:12] <zleap> ok
[22:14] <jacobw> http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/you-cant-multitask/
[22:15] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Quick Team Update - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/01/27/quick-team-update/
[22:15] <jacobw> mr bacon is blogging tonight
[22:16] <zleap> ok we can switch between tasks
[22:16] <zleap> what about using windows and going nuts with frustration at the same time
[22:18] <jacobw> the time it takes to switch your mind to a task is multiplied many times if you keep switching from one task to another
[22:18] <zleap> well i did this with libreoffice earlier, tried to put spaces between paragraphs it insists on indenting a numbered paragraph and adding more numbers,  fed up with itm, I am using lyx saving as text then importing back in to libreoffice to save to doc for submission
[22:18] <zleap> so can't really blame windows for driving people nuts its software
[22:19] <jacobw> people fustrate themselves, although windows doesn't help
[22:19] <zleap> yeah
[22:19] <jacobw> i hate windows firewall :( so not like iptables
[22:20] <zleap> well what i was doing earlier was just frustrating,  as with lyx and latex i can concentrate on content,  if I want numbered paragraphs i tell it, and it says as i want,
[22:20] <zleap> pressing enter does not end up doing things I don't want in a plain text file
[22:20] <jacobw> i'm not a fan of 'office productivity suites'
[22:21] <jacobw> text editors, wikis and html should be good enough for anyone :p
[22:21] <zleap> well for some documents latex is very handy,  esp for doing things like chemical formulae
[22:21] <zleap> or complex math stuff
[22:22] <jacobw> complex math is what latex is designed for :)
[22:22] <zleap> yeah
[22:22] <zleap> exactly
[22:22] <zleap> but it is also good for typing up assignments
[22:25] <zleap> only mention LaTeX to the wrong group of people as in non tech, science groups and they get the wrong idea
[22:25] <jacobw> ha
[22:25] <zleap> or could do
[22:26] <zleap> which reminds me i need to send in my subs for the UK-TUG
[22:26] <jacobw> look;gawk;find;sed;talk;grep;touch;finger;find;fl
[22:26] <jacobw> ex;unzip;head;tail; mount;workbone;fsck;yes;gasp;fsck;more;yes;yes;eje
[22:26] <jacobw> ct;umount;makeclean; zip;split;done;exit:xargs!!;
[22:26] <zleap> yeah seen that one :)
[22:27] <jacobw> its some debian developer's email signature
[22:27] <zleap> what is workbone ?  no man page for it
[22:27] <jacobw> cd player
[22:27] <zleap> ah
[22:28] <jacobw> i had to look that up too
[22:28] <zleap> have you tried creating a file called breasts, moving to another user and doing touch breasts  u get cannot touch breasts, permission denied
[22:28] <jacobw> haha
[22:28] <zleap> usualyl works if you create the initial file as root (sudo)  then doing it
[22:28] <Neoline> can anyone help with remote desktop viewer logs in ubuntu?
[22:29] <AlanBell> what type of viewer Neoline?
[22:29] <jacobw> Neoline: is your ubuntu machine client or serve?
[22:30] <Neoline> @AlanBell : someone tried thrice to access my machine over internet as I have a static ip..Is there any place I can see that history?
[22:30] <Neoline> @jacobw: I'm a server (i suppose?)
[22:30] <jacobw> how do you know that you have a static ip?
[22:30] <AlanBell> how do you know they tried?
[22:31] <zleap> router may have some info on what has connected
[22:31] <Neoline> 1. Cause I know.. :) I mean, our network does have a static IP and its VNC port was accidentally forwarded to my machine..
[22:31] <AlanBell> are you in india Neoline?
[22:31] <zleap> how do you accidently port forward something
[22:31] <Neoline> 2. Cause I could see the Ubuntu notification that another user is trying to access your machine remotely (or something like that)
[22:31] <jacobw> assuming you actually have a public address statically assigned to your computer unless your running a VNC server then you're computer would have refused the connection
[22:32] <popey> meh, I'd ignore it and disable the port forwarding and get on with your life
[22:32] <gordonjcp> indeed
[22:32] <AlanBell> and maybe turn off the vino desktop sharing
[22:33] <Neoline> Well, we all have static addresses in our network internally.. and recently my machine's IP was changed from 192.168.1.x to y.. Router had a configuration for y already.
[22:33] <gordonjcp> Neoline: so chances are it's someone who previously had an account on the box with the IP address yours used to have
[22:33] <Neoline> Yes I did that already @popey, @AlenBell. Just curious to find out who tried to access, if that possible
[22:34] <AlanBell> and they would not have had access to any other ports probably
[22:34] <Neoline> thats*
[22:34] <Neoline> And I am in India @AlanBell
[22:34] <AlanBell> ok, I don't think that logs anywhere, but when it prompted you it should have said where the connection was coming from I think
[22:35] <jacobw> check your not running any VNC servers, if you are check the appropriate access logs, disable the port forward and read about NAT
[22:35] <Neoline> @AlanBell : Yes it did :) But it was for a few seconds. So I couldn't note down!
[22:35] <AlanBell> jacobw: "the appropriate access logs" was the question, just there are none
[22:36] <Neoline> @jacobw : umm.. I'm on Ubuntu 10.04.. any idea which VNC server does it have by default?
[22:36] <AlanBell> as vino isn't a system service it doesn't log to /var/log it is a user process
[22:36] <Neoline> @AlanBell : Aah.. ok.. got it.. so no chances that there will be a log right?
[22:37] <AlanBell> !vino
[22:37] <jacobw> Neoline: it doesn't run any by default
[22:37] <Neoline> @AlanBell : Oh k.. Got it.
[22:37] <AlanBell> Neoline: not in /var/log if it was anywhere it would be in your home directory somewhere, but I am fairly sure it doesn't
[22:38] <Neoline> @jacobw : I meant which one it has already installed.. Anyway got it..
[22:41] <czajkowski> peekaboo
[22:41] <popey> MOO!
[22:41] <zleap> boo
[22:42] <czajkowski> todays lesson
[22:42] <zleap> k
[22:42] <czajkowski> do not get in a french cab. crazy drivers
[22:42] <zleap> lol
[22:43] <Neoline> Hmmm.. vino does not keep logs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vino/+bug/330310 :( anyway, Thanks a lot for the help guys!
[22:43] <czajkowski> pretty sure we came vrry close to crashing at least twice
[22:43] <AlanBell> hi czajkowski
[22:43] <zleap> not good,  where are you then,  i assume france but where abouts in france
[22:44] <czajkowski> paris
[22:44] <zleap> ah
[22:44] <AlanBell> oh la la
[22:44] <zleap> yeah pretty crazy paris
[22:44] <czajkowski> taxi kept crossing the 4 lanes up the tails of ither cars
[22:45] <czajkowski> alanbell surprise for jon for anniversary :)
[22:46] <zleap> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-fr
[22:54] <jacobw> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLcwhgrxTWs
[22:54] <jacobw> lol
[23:01] <Azelphur> ali1234: hmm, this is odd, I think these things can't detect you mining if your solo, I've tried bitHopper and bitcoin mining proxy, they both pass work on, but never report any accepted shares and never calculate a hashrate :(
[23:03] <dwatkins> czajkowski: Paris is pretty insane for driving in general - I was on the peripherique once and realised just after someone cut me up changing lanes that we were in an underpass that looked very familiar from a certain car crash that was made quite famous a few years back
[23:05] <ali1234> Azelphur: you're doing it wrong
[23:05] <Azelphur> D:
[23:05] <Azelphur> what am I doing wrong?
[23:06] <ali1234> "it"
[23:07] <Azelphur> woo \o/
[23:07] <Azelphur> ali1234: I've got a guy who's renting me his FPGA miner, but I have no way of telling what he's actually doing, so I'm kinda paying blind at this point >.<
[23:07] <ali1234> trololololo
[23:07] <Azelphur> indeed D: