| holstein | that dude is challenging | 02:16 |
|---|---|---|
| astraljava | Yep. | 02:17 |
| astraljava | But in all fairness, what threw me off the loop was starting vlc with the video device option. I did not find the audio device setting that way at all. | 02:18 |
| holstein | i hate that "im just going to get a mac" crap | 02:32 |
| holstein | i mean, you gotta learn to use those too | 02:32 |
| holstein | its just, when you drop a grand or 2, you tend to become more open to learning | 02:32 |
| astraljava | Some people just aren't up to it. *shrug* | 02:32 |
| astraljava | Seems to be trolling, too. | 02:34 |
| holstein | yeah. for like hours... | 02:35 |
| holstein | this was going on before my nap | 02:35 |
| astraljava | Yeah. I'm done. He's all yours. | 02:36 |
| holstein | i suggested pavucontrol right when the dude came in | 02:36 |
| holstein | hehe | 02:36 |
| holstein | i just feel dirty now | 02:42 |
| holstein | i installed all this crap, and got VLC working... | 02:43 |
| holstein | whatever | 02:43 |
| holstein | i learned something, and thats cool | 02:43 |
| astraljava | I didn't install anything, and still it works. *smirk* | 02:47 |
| holstein | hehe | 02:47 |
| holstein | astraljava: i didnt have pulse on this box... or VLC | 02:48 |
| holstein | it was a lubuntu install | 02:48 |
| astraljava | Ahh... ok. | 02:48 |
| len | Installed todays version (Jan26) of the live DVD. ubiquity screen is too large to see the buttons on the bottom... there is already a bug about that | 02:58 |
| len | I added that it affects me. | 02:58 |
| len | I played with pulse and jackd... no sound here either... someone already mentioned that. The sound file player plays straight to jack just fine. | 02:59 |
| holstein | len: i copied that ln after i figured out what you were talking about | 03:01 |
| astraljava | len: I hope there's a bug for that, too. I know David would be willing to fix it, if he knew about it. | 03:01 |
| holstein | not that you werent clear... i just didnt get it | 03:01 |
| holstein | i got no sound from pulse | 03:01 |
| holstein | but i got sound using JACK | 03:01 |
| len | Audacious? However, none of the videos ones do. Xine does, but is a pain to setup. | 03:02 |
| astraljava | Sounds to me there's a problem with the pulse jack module. Can you two file the relevant bug about it? | 03:02 |
| len | I looked in /usr/share/xgreeters/ in Xubuntu 11.10 and there is no default.desktop there either. | 03:03 |
| len | But it works. | 03:03 |
| len | I think someone has added some functionality to lightdm and forgot to tell anyone. | 03:04 |
| len | The idea being there can be several files for different sessions and default points to the one in use. | 03:05 |
| len | Do we really need panel two on the bottom? | 03:06 |
| holstein | i dont like it | 03:06 |
| holstein | the "dock" | 03:06 |
| len | it seems to just take up room | 03:06 |
| holstein | i would like to have no dock, like it used to be | 03:06 |
| holstein | but, i just dont like docks | 03:06 |
| len | I can always add apps to the top panel | 03:06 |
| holstein | i use kupfer | 03:07 |
| len | foo YC20 drives jack nuts. | 03:07 |
| len | Has anyone used it ok? | 03:07 |
| holstein | len: not yet | 03:08 |
| holstein | something crashed on me | 03:08 |
| holstein | openshot... | 03:08 |
| holstein | wouldnt launch | 03:08 |
| len | If I try to play it with the virt keyboard, I get stuck keys and distorted sound... xruns? | 03:08 |
| len | Even when not playing it it is always giving jack logging errors. | 03:09 |
| holstein | interesting | 03:09 |
| holstein | well... these are the things i can do without.. comon... | 03:10 |
| holstein | we got time to sort some of that out i hope | 03:10 |
| len | I don't need it either, but if it is the first thing a new user tries, that would not leave a good taste in their mouth. | 03:11 |
| len | We don't have rt priv even with audio group | 03:11 |
| holstein | nah... i like YC20 | 03:11 |
| holstein | len: i think/hope the kernel will do that | 03:11 |
| holstein | what do you think? | 03:11 |
| len | I don't know | 03:12 |
| holstein | len: i would *love* to actually run this stuff | 03:12 |
| holstein | test it | 03:12 |
| holstein | pull out whats borked | 03:12 |
| holstein | get a nice polished finally release for the LTS | 03:12 |
| holstein | len: i got it loading up today and got *so* excited about it | 03:12 |
| len | The is a nice organ in there already. But for me the reality is that I would prefer to use external sound modules | 03:13 |
| len | My machine doesn't really have the poop to run sounds as well as record audio | 03:14 |
| holstein | len: where are you again? | 03:14 |
| holstein | anywhere near me? | 03:14 |
| holstein | im in asheville NC | 03:15 |
| len | I'm on the wet coast on Vancouver Island | 03:15 |
| holstein | yeah.... | 03:17 |
| astraljava | holstein: Haha. Ex-wife goes there several times a year on business. | 03:18 |
| holstein | astraljava: its nice | 03:18 |
| holstein | we have LUG if you happen to tag along sometimes | 03:18 |
| astraljava | You missed the ex- there. | 03:18 |
| holstein | astraljava: yeah... i did... | 03:18 |
| holstein | sorry about that | 03:18 |
| astraljava | Hehe. :) No worries. | 03:19 |
| holstein | will have to fly you in special then ;) | 03:19 |
| astraljava | True. :) | 03:19 |
| holstein | ScottL: i have "sound & video" then subgroups "audio/video production" | 03:21 |
| holstein | thats in 10.04, ubuntustudio | 03:21 |
| holstein | it looks much the same in xfce, just "multimedia" instead | 03:21 |
| holstein | is that OK? | 03:21 |
| holstein | i kind of like it that way | 03:21 |
| holstein | i find it less disruptive | 03:22 |
| len | bug #922424 | 03:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 922424 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "lightdm won't start I have console(s) only" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/922424 | 03:25 |
| len | has been filed | 03:26 |
| len | Maybe someone will say, ja you have to put that link in as part of your distro | 03:27 |
| astraljava | We'll sort that out. Also, the sound not working via pulse to jack. Please file that too. I'm going to pass out now, it's 5:30 am. | 03:29 |
| len | I tried ... launchpad coughed on me... I'll try again. | 03:43 |
| ScottL | bug #918519 | 03:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 918519 in Ubuntu Studio "please upload ubuntustudio package updates to archives" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/918519 | 03:54 |
| ScottL | micahg, did you say you were going to upload the above bug? | 03:55 |
| ScottL | not trying to pressure you, just trying to refresh my memory | 03:55 |
| micahg | ah, yes, sorry, haven't gotten to piloting yet, it's on my list, will try to do it tomorrow | 03:55 |
| ScottL | okay :) | 03:55 |
| ScottL | i'm wondering if this will help clear up the missing '/usr/share/xgreeters/default.desktop' issue | 03:58 |
| ScottL | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/816809 | 03:59 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 816646 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #816809 no log in screen due to lightdm greeter not being installed" [Medium,Fix released] | 03:59 |
| ScottL | this suggest that installing lightdm-gtk-greeter fixes the problem | 04:00 |
| len | With reguard to the pulsejack bug. I have had three or four timeout errors from launchpad. | 04:07 |
| len | Can someone else try? | 04:07 |
| len | just as a note lightdm-gtk-greeter is installed in xubuntu 11.10 (which works) but there is still no default.desktop. | 04:12 |
| len | I will reboot to US 12.04 and see if it is installed there. | 04:13 |
| len | ScottL: The live DVD install says that lightdm-gtk-greeter is already installed. | 04:32 |
| len | default.desktop is not listed among the installed file though. | 04:34 |
| len | I find nothing in the config file(s) that would change the greeters name to default either. | 04:41 |
| len | the changelog for lightdm-gtk-greeter shows 3 updates to the package on Jan 18th and 19th | 04:52 |
| len | that would be about the time it stopped working. | 04:52 |
| len | The changes are to lightdm | 04:53 |
| len | I was looking at another gtk-greeter bug to do with translations. | 05:03 |
| len | This comment caught my eye: | 05:03 |
| len | Sorry Pjotr12345 but nobody is actively working on the gtk greeter (which has been made as an example greeter, the default greeter in Ubuntu is the unity one) | 05:04 |
| len | So, the gtk-greeter is an example that is not being kept up and it looks like lightdm is moving on without it. | 05:05 |
| len | Looking at the changelog on jan 18th at 11:10 it shows: | 05:45 |
| len | * Move the GTK+ and Qt greeters into their own projects | 05:45 |
| len | Does this mean there is now a maintainer? | 05:48 |
| scott-work | i think i found the problem with the lightdm stuff... | 17:11 |
| scott-work | and i should have remembered this previously from something micahg had said | 17:11 |
| scott-work | we are currently shipping lightdm-greeter-example-gtk in the seeds | 17:12 |
| scott-work | we should probably be shipping lightdm-gtk-greeter | 17:12 |
| astraljava | I was looking at the same. Should we have our own customized one? | 17:13 |
| astraljava | Maybe not, neither does Xubuntu. | 17:16 |
| astraljava | I'll make the change. | 17:17 |
| micahg | I'll be uploading the US stuff shortly, so just let me know when it's good | 17:18 |
| astraljava | micahg: It's up now. Thanks! I copied the same line from Xubuntu's desktop. I suppose that's how it works? | 17:19 |
| astraljava | Ahh... yeah, what scott-work said. | 17:20 |
| micahg | umm, where's the stuff I"m supposed to sponsor again? | 17:21 |
| astraljava | bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.precise/ | 17:22 |
| micahg | no, I know where the seed is :), scott-work had some other stuff for me to sponsor | 17:23 |
| astraljava | Hehe. Sorry. :) | 17:23 |
| astraljava | Any idea what that stuff was? I could perhaps dig it up for ya. | 17:24 |
| micahg | ah, found it, it wasn't showing up in the queue since it's against the ubuntu studio project | 17:25 |
| astraljava | Oh ok. | 17:25 |
| scott-work | micahg: uno momento, i shall find it | 18:19 |
| micahg | scott-work: I found it, it was in backscroll | 18:19 |
| scott-work | oh, hehe | 18:19 |
| scott-work | micahg: thank you very much for helping us, it has been a bit of a godsend | 18:20 |
| scott-work | :) | 18:20 |
| micahg | sorry it's taken me all week | 18:20 |
| scott-work | micahg: i doubt we would have gotten it done otherwise | 18:21 |
| holstein | w00T! | 18:26 |
| holstein | i dont care to reinstall to test changes made... | 18:27 |
| holstein | hmmm... that sounds unclear... | 18:27 |
| holstein | i *will* reinstall to test changes... let me know | 18:27 |
| holstein | announcement... | 19:19 |
| holstein | 14:12 < ochosi> that's why i created elementary-xfce | 19:20 |
| holstein | 14:12 < holstein> ochosi: nice | 19:20 |
| holstein | 14:12 < ochosi> which is a fork of elementary, complemented with xfce-specific stuff | 19:20 |
| holstein | 14:13 < holstein> ochosi: thats in the repos? or going to be? | 19:20 |
| holstein | 14:13 < holstein> and it would be cool for us to use it? | 19:20 |
| holstein | 14:13 < ochosi> atm it's part of xubuntu-artwork, but we discussed putting it in a separate package so you (and others) can use it more easily | 19:20 |
| holstein | i forget what icons we were planning on using, but these are falling in our lap, and we could help test/develop them | 19:21 |
| astraljava | Yeah, as soon as they are separated, we could most certainly use them. | 19:25 |
| holstein | sounds too easy :) | 19:26 |
| holstein | and i like that! | 19:26 |
| astraljava | What do you mean? | 19:26 |
| holstein | astraljava: just that someone else is doing the work | 19:26 |
| astraljava | We're already using someone else's work anyhow. :) | 19:27 |
| holstein | coat-tails! | 19:27 |
| astraljava | Isn't that the beauty of FOSS? | 19:27 |
| astraljava | You don't have to write _everything_ by yourself. :) | 19:27 |
| astraljava | ScottL: One thing that occurred to me, are we going to be providing support for upgrading from lucid to precise? | 20:22 |
| holstein | astraljava: i dont see why we cant | 20:23 |
| holstein | it should just work right? | 20:23 |
| holstein | i can try it | 20:23 |
| holstein | when the time comes | 20:23 |
| astraljava | holstein: There's quite the transition, from GNOME 2 to Xfce, for instance. | 20:24 |
| holstein | sure, but that might help actually | 20:24 |
| holstein | nothing to break config wise | 20:24 |
| holstein | just new stuff | 20:24 |
| astraljava | We're still using gconf, though. I'm not sure whether that amounts to anything. | 20:24 |
| holstein | astraljava: we can only try i supppose | 20:25 |
| holstein | i would think the settings would not conflict | 20:25 |
| astraljava | holstein: Yep. I will try it this weekend. | 20:25 |
| astraljava | But I'm just thinking, that's one aspect that probably accounts to the LTS decision. | 20:25 |
| astraljava | If we're calling it that, then we probably do _have_ to provide support also for upgrading. | 20:26 |
| holstein | well, we're not doing anything to break that... | 20:27 |
| astraljava | Yeah, well, one release to another is troublesome in some cases. This is a much bigger thing that we're talking about, here. | 20:28 |
| astraljava | IMSNHO, we need to give it a couple of runs, before we can even promise to support it. | 20:29 |
| * micahg guesses he can't complain about changing the per-user defaults in the -default-settings package since xubuntu does it | 20:44 | |
| micahg | ScottL: why do you have Thunar .po files in the default-settings package? | 20:45 |
| SLavender | webchat.freenode isn't working right now :( | 20:51 |
| holstein | yup | 20:52 |
| holstein | webchat is down :/ | 20:52 |
| micahg | SLavender: why do you have Thunar .po files in the default-settings package? | 20:52 |
| SLavender | but i don't like this chatzilla client, it's waaaaay too conspicuous for work | 20:52 |
| SLavender | micahg: it came that way from the xubuntu sources | 20:52 |
| micahg | SLavender: would you mind if that waited until Monday until I can discuss it with mr_pouit | 20:53 |
| astraljava | Why would we need them, cause we're using Nautilus, right? | 20:54 |
| SLavender | micahg: i'm okay with that, no problem | 20:55 |
| SLavender | but i think i agree with astraljava | 20:56 |
| micahg | so do I, I just want to be sure :) | 20:56 |
| micahg | oh, wait, you're not using Thunar at all? | 20:56 |
| SLavender | micahg: we are including nautilus and using it as default (or should be) | 20:56 |
| SLavender | micahg: we had previously discussed that i was nervous about pulling thunar out currently because it's so tightly integrated and you suggested just including nautilus for now | 20:57 |
| astraljava | Oh okay. | 20:58 |
| micahg | I did? | 20:58 |
| astraljava | This conversation is confusing. | 20:58 |
| SLavender | micahg: i believe so ;) actually, i'm really pretty sure | 20:58 |
| len | ScottL: I got a reply to my bug report on lightdm. I have forwarded it to the mailing list. It implies that this link is set as part of the theme setup | 21:04 |
| len | Not that we set the link but that there is a place in the theme stuff that sets what file to look for in xgreeters | 21:05 |
| len | Zsync is downloading todays ISO. I'll see where things are at. | 21:07 |
| SLavender | len: i think i had the old and decprecated lightdm greeter in the seeds, astraljava has already fixed it (i believe), and most likely micahg will update it :) | 21:07 |
| micahg | yeah, will get that up today | 21:08 |
| len | Ok I will wait till tomorrow to test it. | 21:08 |
| len | I had the idea it was done for today | 21:09 |
| micahg | SLavender: I assume you've tested the new packages and they work as intended? | 21:09 |
| SLavender | micahg: i did build them, but was unsure of the best method to test them to be honest | 21:10 |
| SLavender | which means that i did not really do a proper test of them, no | 21:10 |
| astraljava | Ahh... yes, will update the bug status. | 21:10 |
| micahg | :(, I'd prefer to know they work as intended before uploading | 21:10 |
| micahg | SLavender: install the packages you built | 21:10 |
| micahg | reboot and see if everything works as intended | 21:11 |
| micahg | let me do the meta now since the others need testing | 21:11 |
| SLavender | obviously doing this on a precise install would be preferable | 21:11 |
| micahg | umm...yes :), can someone else test them? | 21:11 |
| len | Send it to me, I'll do a fresh install. | 21:12 |
| SLavender | my concern was that i was unsure how this would work as an update versus a fresh install from the image | 21:12 |
| SLavender | i do admit that it sounds kinda stupid now that i type that out | 21:12 |
| micahg | well, first concern is not to break current installs, then we can fix image issues | 21:12 |
| SLavender | especially considering that users most likely would be updating from previous version | 21:13 |
| SLavender | so yes, i should have tested them | 21:13 |
| micahg | but we're up against the wall for alpha2 as freeze is Monday at 21:00 UTC | 21:13 |
| SLavender | i can get a precise install tonight, build, and test them in ppa | 21:13 |
| micahg | ok, no worries, I'll save the other stuff for the weekend, I'll do the meta now | 21:13 |
| micahg | just ping me when you think they're good | 21:13 |
| micahg | ok, pushed up 2 packaging changes, 1 each for -default-settings and -look | 21:19 |
| micahg | do you intend to ship a separate icon theme anymore? the bzr branch just has a package with a depends? | 21:22 |
| micahg | it might make sense to just drop the package if elementary is seeded | 21:22 |
| micahg | keep in mind that xubuntu just switched to elementary-xfce, but we'll probably break that out into a separate package after alpah 2 | 21:23 |
| micahg | *alpha | 21:23 |
| astraljava | micahg: ochosi was going to separate elementary-xfce as a separate package. | 21:23 |
| astraljava | Haha. | 21:23 |
| micahg | right, but I'm wondering if you intend to ever ship your own icons again | 21:24 |
| micahg | otherwise, we can drop the source and rely on the seed | 21:24 |
| astraljava | Yeah I don't know, really. I am not up-to-speed with the theming. | 21:24 |
| micahg | ok, can you find out for me? | 21:25 |
| astraljava | I will talk to Scott about it, for sure. | 21:27 |
| micahg | astraljava: the -meta package already has the proper depends on lightdm-gtk-greeter | 21:48 |
| micahg | ok, uploading the new meta | 21:51 |
| micahg | umm, wait, why do you need compilation tools in the desktop seed? | 21:51 |
| micahg | nevermind, xubuntu has it too | 21:52 |
| astraljava | micahg: I thought you wanted info on icons. Yeah I made the change to desktop seed regarding the greeter already. | 21:53 |
| micahg | astraljava: no, what I mean is that the error seems to have not been uploaded, the current meta seems to have the proper dependency | 21:53 |
| astraljava | That's strange. | 21:54 |
| micahg | ok, uploaded | 21:57 |
| astraljava | Thanks! I just need to find out the true cause for the X session not starting. | 21:58 |
| micahg | I go offline in an hour (for about 25 hours), but can upload stuff Sat night | 22:02 |
| micahg | it might be the lack of the new -default-settings | 22:02 |
| astraljava | micahg: Ok. Thanks for everything so far! Have a nice hiatus. :) | 22:03 |
| micahg | heh, just the Sabbath :) | 22:03 |
| astraljava | Well, hope it's a good one anyway. :) | 22:03 |
| len | Whoever: Todays Iso has an install problem. Ubiquity crashs part way through. | 23:29 |
| len | Are chnages made today (for tomorrow) likely to fix this? (should I wait to try that?) | 23:30 |
| len | Also: I tried both install from boot and install from live. They are both the same. | 23:31 |
| len | Both have a ubiquity crash. | 23:31 |
| astraljava | I don't know of any changes that might lead to that, but I'll look into it. | 23:32 |
| len | Also: The option of having an encrypted drive is gone. | 23:32 |
| len | ubiquity doesn't seem to support that. | 23:33 |
| len | It does support encrypted user dir. | 23:33 |
| len | There was at least one user who felt an encrypted drive was a make or break for them. | 23:36 |
| len | I don't know if it makes any difference (crash wise) but this is the first time I printed the iso with a persistent file. | 23:39 |
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