[00:02] <knome> i think i'm off to sleep now
[00:02] <knome> see you tomorrow
[00:10] <astraljava> See ya, have a good one!
[11:51] <knome> madnick, thanks for sending the email :)
[11:51]  * knome is off until late
[11:51] <knome> see you
[12:09] <madnick> cya
[18:18] <ochosi> i haven't upgraded in a while (always did clean installs), it's really a bit scare when icons and gtk disappear :)
[18:19] <ochosi> s/scare/scary
[18:19] <ochosi> luckily the cli still looks the same
[18:33] <micahg> ochosi: I've been meaning to file a bug, I get the offline icon now for network applet on precise when I'm connected
[18:41] <ochosi> micahg: in the tray/indicator or in the notification-bubble?
[18:42] <ochosi> i don't know exactly what version of elementary-xfce you're using, the first upload had a few small bugs (so this might be fixed in bzr already)
[18:42] <micahg> indicator
[18:42] <micahg> 12.04.0 of xubuntu icon theme
[18:43] <ochosi> hm, so i guess it's still the initial version
[18:43] <ochosi> :/
[18:43] <micahg> are there upstream releases of elementary xfce?
[18:43] <pleia2> knome: I updated the Website wiki page todo list
[18:43] <ochosi> no, i'm releasing/maintaining it
[18:43] <micahg> ochosi: is this work beneficial for others
[18:43] <ochosi> so, in that respect yes: since i'm upstream =)
[18:44] <ochosi> i don't think anyone else uses elementary-xfce yet
[18:44] <micahg> I'm just wondering if we should give it its own source
[18:44] <ochosi> ah
[18:44] <ochosi> hm, maybe ask the studio-guys
[18:44] <ochosi> i dunno what icon-theme they're using
[18:44] <ochosi> but if they're using elementary then they'll be in trouble in precise
[18:44] <micahg> that way other derivatives as well as other distros can easily include it
[18:44] <ochosi> (elementary-upstream decided to drop a shitload of symlinks, so... breakage)
[18:45] <ochosi> yeah, i agree that giving it its own source might make sense
[18:45] <ochosi> although it might be odd for lubuntuers to use a theme called elementary-xfce :p
[18:45] <ochosi> (iirc they also use elementary)
[18:45] <ochosi> brb
[18:51] <ochosi> re
[19:14] <ochosi> micahg: seems -studio guys haven't decided yet what icon-theme to go with. still it might be a good choice to put the icon-theme in a separate package. any opinions on the matter mr_pouit ?
[19:14] <holstein> ScottL: you around?
[19:14] <holstein> this something i know we were discussing
[19:15] <holstein> ochosi: ill make sure i get this in the dev channel, or get you guys talking at some point
[19:16] <ochosi> k, thanks
[19:16] <ochosi> g2g now
[21:30] <mr_pouit> ochosi: why not, I don't really mind
[21:31] <mr_pouit> ochosi: btw, I think the bluetooth systray icon (e.g. with blueman) is missing from elementary-xfce-dark. I tried quickly on my debian here, and it's the only icon that stayed dark on the dark panel ;>
[21:35] <ochosi> mr_pouit: ah, good to know, i never use blueman/bluetooth devices
[21:39] <micahg> gah, I still need to update/SRU that
[21:40] <ochosi> what?
[21:42] <micahg> blueman
[21:44] <ochosi> ah
[21:46] <ochosi> mr_pouit: in case i forget about the bluetooth-thing, feel free to poke me again... (sry, got a lot of things in my head atm)
[21:50] <mr_pouit> ochosi: hey, don't forget about the bluetooth-thing
[21:50]  * mr_pouit hides
[21:50] <ochosi> lol
[21:50] <ochosi> well e.g. remind me @fosdem after a few beers. i'm sure i'll remember it then ;)
[21:51] <mr_pouit> huhuhu
[21:51] <ochosi> ok, so green light on putting the icon theme in a separate source then
[21:52] <ochosi> mr_pouit and/or micahg: feel free to get on with it then ;)
[21:52] <micahg> ochosi: you need to make an upstream release first ;)
[21:52] <ochosi> hihi
[21:52] <ochosi> ok, i guess i'll maintain it in github then
[21:52] <ochosi> unless you prefer bzr (it's soo slow...)
[21:53] <mr_pouit> no, bzr isn't slow, it's all the other that are faster ;-)
[21:53]  * mr_pouit runs
[21:54] <ochosi> :)
[21:55] <mr_pouit> can you do a shimmer-themes compilation too? I'm too lazy to fetch all shimmer themes separately for the shimmer-themes package :3
[21:55] <ochosi> you mean in github?
[21:57] <mr_pouit> mmh, maybe not if you have to duplicate everything
[21:57] <ochosi> well, it's not a big deal
[21:57] <ochosi> i can even move all themes to one repo
[21:57] <ochosi> the only downside is that if $users want to download a tarball they always get all the themes
[21:58] <micahg> ochosi: you can do multiple tarballs (source format 3 FTW)
[21:58] <mr_pouit> oh, I forgot about that
[21:59] <ochosi> micahg: hmm, true, i think i can add individual tarballs to the download-section in github. but i think they wouldn't be up-to-date
[21:59] <micahg> ochosi: you make an upstream "release" when you want to, we pull that in, what's not up-to-date
[22:01] <ochosi> micahg: sounds good
[22:03] <mr_pouit> I'll put albatross+bluebird+greybird in shimmer-themes then
[22:03] <mr_pouit> what's the status of shearwater?
[22:04] <ochosi> it's stalled (or even abandoned)
[22:04] <mr_pouit> ok
[22:04] <ochosi> we'll revamp albatross first and make a gtk3 version
[22:04]  * Unit193 perks up at greybird
[22:04] <ochosi> i don't think shearwater is going to happen unless someone else steps up
[22:05] <ochosi> Unit193: you just tought me a new word .)
[22:05] <Unit193> ochosi: My mind s/greybird/blackbird/ :P
[22:05] <ochosi> hehe
[22:05] <mr_pouit> ochosi: fyi, it's included in murrine-themes
[22:05] <ochosi> mr_pouit: what, shearwater?
[22:05] <mr_pouit> yeah ^_^
[22:06] <ochosi> mr_pouit: oh lord... iirc it was in a very early state. i mean i guess it's usable, but not exactly pretty
[22:07] <mr_pouit> (heh, you should ping Corsac about that)
[22:08] <ochosi> yeah, probably should do that... otoh if he likes it why not
[22:08] <ochosi> i think there are more themes in that package that are unmaintained and underdeveloped
[22:10] <mr_pouit> micahg: with 3.0+multiple tarballs, the drawback is that I've to invent a version number for the compilation ;-)
[22:11] <ochosi> no problem, can do :)
[22:11] <micahg> mr_pouit: indeed :), that depends on whether or not the "upstream" releases are in sync
[22:11] <ochosi> i think we discussed that earlier, that we need a version number for shimmer-themes anyway
[22:11] <ochosi> we'll make it 1.1 (target for 2.0 is having full gtk3 for all three themes)
[22:12] <micahg> mr_pouit: I haven't merged murrine-themes as I wasn't sure if our version of greybird was newer than Debian's
[22:13] <mr_pouit> ochosi: yeah, I hope you don't mind tarballs like shimmer-themes_1.1.orig-{albatross,bluebird,greybird}.tar.gz
[22:14] <mr_pouit> micahg: indeed, I don't remember either. The current plan is to split the shimmer themes to a shimmer-themes package, as we don't want so many murrine-themes by default (that's the clean-up-something-blueprint)
[22:14] <micahg> sounds good
[22:15] <micahg> I assume Corsac is ok with this in Debain as well?
[22:15] <mr_pouit> Good point, I haven't asked him yet :[
[22:22] <ochosi> right, i'm off for tonight, too tired to get more work done
[23:32] <astraljava> Anyone tried installing from desktop today? Our tester reports ubiquity crashing.