[01:46] <ScottK> Riddell: I think the PyQt4 bug is back to ask upstream.
[05:50] <MacSeal> hi,how to change the range of sizes in dolphin? only view in KiB, don't in GiB, MiB, etc..... kde 4.8
[05:52] <ScottK> I'd ask in #kde.
[05:52] <ScottK> It's not Kubuntu specific.
[06:02] <MacSeal> ok,thank
[09:16] <Riddell> ScottK: the segfaulting bug?
[09:18] <Riddell> ScottK: if I recompile pykde then it no longer segfaults
[09:18] <Riddell> it does crash but maybe that's my chroot without running dbus
[09:18] <Riddell> so maybe there has been a SIP ABI change and we didn't update the magic debian stuff to manage that
[09:22] <Riddell> testers needed running precise and i386, is software-properties-kde running or segfaulting? try these and say if it's still running/segfaulting http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/pykde/
[09:22] <Riddell> !testers
[09:22] <Riddell> barry too :)
[09:23] <Tm_T> should it be added to the factoid?
[09:27] <Riddell> Tm_T: should what?
[09:27] <Riddell> what is factoid?
[09:34] <Tm_T> factoid is that thing what ubottu replies when called
[09:34] <Tm_T> is barry going to be more permanent tester?
[09:42] <Riddell> oh no, he's python only not kubuntu
[09:44] <Tm_T> right (:
[10:11] <shadeslayer> I haz amd64
[11:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can I make Staging depend on the backports PPA?
[11:08] <yofel_> just do it (and reset it later)
[11:08] <shadeslayer> alrighty
[11:12] <shadeslayer> "Start in 12 hours" ... ffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[11:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: doing oneiric versions of telepathy?  or what?
[11:15] <yofel> did someone look at oxygen-gtk3 btw.?
[11:15] <Riddell> Tm_T: add James147 to the factoid?
[11:16] <Riddell> yofel: not yet I expect, or anyone who has ends up runing away because it's not easy to have a good default config
[11:16] <Riddell> was apachepanda talking about it the other day?
[11:16] <yofel> Riddell: I would like to first get the package into the archive, just so we have the engine in
[11:17] <yofel> mir and setup I'll try to get done ~before FF
[11:17] <Riddell> yes please
[11:17] <yofel> Riddell: I'll need someone to review the package, it's in precise ninjas (oxygen-gtk3)
[11:22] <Tm_T> ubottu: no, testers-#kubuntu-devel is <reply> Testing help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147
[11:22] <Tm_T> Riddell: done
[11:22] <debfx> Riddell: rebuilding pykde4 fixes the crash
[11:25] <debfx> though I have no idea why
[11:26] <Riddell> debfx: so it sounds like the SIP ABI changed
[11:26] <Riddell> and debian has a way of handling that similar to binary ABI changes
[11:26] <Riddell> some number needs bumped in the package I think
[11:27] <debfx> except it hasn't
[11:27] <yofel> well, too late for that now, unless you force-downgrade the current binary package
[11:28] <debfx> python-qt4 and pykde4 have been built against the same sip4 version
[11:28] <yofel> wait, true
[11:29] <yofel> micahg: do you know how xubuntu sets the gtk3 theme?
[11:31] <debfx> I guess the problem is that pykde4 has been built against python-qt4 4.9-2ubuntu1 and there were code changes in u2 and u3
[11:31] <Riddell> so ABI change in pyqt?  I don't know if there's a mechanism to handle that
[11:32] <Riddell> besides "oh it's crashing, we need a recompile"
[11:32] <Riddell> is there anything else might need a recompile?  qscintilla?
[11:33] <debfx> oh wait python-qt4 has been built against qt 4.7 so that might be the problem
[11:33] <debfx> python-qt4 4.9-2ubuntu1 that is
[11:34] <Riddell> could be although I wouldn't expect that should change things, qt is ment to be backwards compatible
[11:34]  * debfx wouldn't be surprised considering how fragile these python bindings are
[11:36] <Riddell> debfx: do you want to/are you able to throw things up to recompile them so they're ready for alpha 2?
[11:39] <debfx> Riddell: can do. I'll also upload qt4 later
[11:42] <Riddell> thanks
[12:02] <Tm_T> Riddell: this explains your hobby: http://xkcd.com/209/
[12:11] <Riddell> Tm_T: I have just that cartoon printed out in my boathouse
[12:11] <Riddell> micahg: yofel had a question if you're around
[12:18] <apachepanda> Riddell: what would I have been talking about?
[12:54] <BluesKaj> Hiyas  all
[12:54] <Tm_T> moin
[13:57] <mikecb> any recent changes that might cause plasma to crash on playing video?
[14:01] <Riddell> micahg: sigh, no
[14:01] <Riddell> well loads but who knows where to start
[14:01] <Riddell> KDE, qt, X could all be responsible
[14:01] <mikecb> indeed
[14:02] <Riddell> micahg: that'll be another thing we'll need to look out for before alpha 2 
[14:02] <mikecb> I would post a log somewhere, but the crash handler doesn't show itself.  Is there a way to get that info in cli?
[14:03] <Riddell> learn how to use gdb and run plasma-desktop through it
[14:03] <Riddell> http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Debugging/Debugging_with_GDB
[14:03] <mikecb> righto
[14:03] <Riddell> maybe also http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Debugging/How_to_create_useful_crash_reports
[14:05] <mikecb> on the kwallet losing focus front, it's a known bug/debatably undesirable feature.  Kwin don't plan to change anything until the transition to wayland, but I'm still going to email the kss and ksudo people and see if they can use functionality that's already there.
[14:06] <Riddell> thanks for finding that out micahg 
[14:06] <Riddell> kdesudo is a kubuntu programme that was last worked on by Tonio_ 
[14:06] <Riddell> kdesu is an upstream kde programme
[14:06] <mikecb> ahh okay
[14:37] <mikecb> Riddell: I dunno if this is very helpful: http://paste.kde.org/194600/
[14:41] <Riddell> "g_main_context_iteration ()" a glib crash?
[14:41] <Riddell> Qt uses the glib mainloop I think
[14:41] <yofel> looks like the wrong thread to me
[14:41] <Riddell> so no that's probably not the right thread
[14:41] <Riddell> I've no idea how you ask gdb for other backtraces from other threads
[14:42] <yofel> mikecb: in gdb enter: thread apply all bt
[14:42] <mikecb> ahh, one sec
[14:47] <mikecb> http://paste.kde.org/194606/
[14:50] <mikecb> this was caused by clicking on a video file which banshee tried to open, but the same behavior occurs when trying to open video files with dragon player or vlc.  Doesn't seem to be codec related either.
[14:50] <yofel> Thread 1 is the only one that has kdemain in it, but that also crashed in QEventLoop o.O?
[14:51] <mikecb> yofel: how do you know where the crash is?
[14:52] <yofel> right now, not at all, as I can't figure out what Thread is the right one. Thread1 is the only one that has 'plasma' in the trace though
[14:52] <mikecb> okie
[14:58] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you going to/did you upload pykde4 for a rebuild?
[14:59] <bambee> hi, who is going to fosdem from the kubuntu team ?
[14:59] <ScottK> BTW, I suspect it's something to do with different code paths when built with Qt 4.8.
[14:59] <ScottK> The current sip4 we've had for a while.
[15:01] <BluesKaj> system settings is still crashing on printer configuration selection here , is anyone else experiencing this , going to need my printer soon ,  it won't print since 4.8 upgrade 
[15:02] <BluesKaj> a plain jane HP 3500 series 
[15:03] <yofel> BluesKaj: if you're on precise that's broken python bindings
[15:04] <BluesKaj> yofel,  yeah I'm on precise 
[15:06] <yofel> BluesKaj: bug 922721 then
[15:21]  * BluesKaj shrugs , where's the fix , it doesn't show up
[15:22] <ScottK> BluesKaj: What architecture are you on?
[15:22] <BluesKaj> amd64
[15:22] <ScottK> The build finished two hours ago so it should be hitting your mirror ~soon depending on how much it lags by.
[15:23] <ScottK> It'll be a new python-kde4 package.
[15:23] <BluesKaj> ok ScottK , thanks 
[15:23] <ScottK> BluesKaj: If you're impatient, you can pull the .deb from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pykde4/4:4.8.0-0ubuntu2/+build/3129520/+files/python-kde4_4.8.0-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[15:27] <BluesKaj> ScottK,  thanks again , for some reason the deb wasn't downloading previously when i clicked on the " fix released " link
[15:28] <ScottK> debfx: Thanks for fixing.  That would have been a very bad one to go into Alpha 2 with.
[15:30] <BluesKaj> cool, now I can reconfigure my printer :)
[15:46] <Riddell> ScottK: debfx is handling it
[15:46] <Riddell> bambee: yes I am
[15:46] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.  He got it.  thanks.
[15:48] <bambee> Riddell: yes I know that , but are you the only one ? :)
[15:49] <Riddell> bambee: quite possibly, KDE has a decent showing but Ubuntu and Kubuntu have not in the past
[15:49] <Riddell> Ubuntu looks like it will have more this year
[15:49] <Riddell> so I'm hoping I can carry my large Kubuntu poster to put behind their stand :)
[15:49] <bambee> I'm hoping too :)
[15:50] <Riddell> bambee: I'll be at the beer event on Friday evening, my number is on jriddell.org/contact.html if you need to find me
[15:50] <bambee> I think I will be at the beer event too , okay I will have a look at this page :)
[15:51] <Riddell> or just look for KDE types but those beer events are mega crowded
[16:10] <barry> Riddell: saw the rebuild.  i can test locally again in a bit
[16:11] <ScottK> barry: There's lots of confirmation it's fine now.
[16:11] <barry> ScottK: cool
[16:12] <Riddell> ScottK: who's confirmed?  have they checked any other packages that build-dep on pyqt?
[16:12] <ScottK> There are unfortunately a lot of of "%If (Qt_4_8_0 -)" in the PyQt4 code.
[16:12] <ScottK> Riddell: I thought people had confirmed pykde was OK after rebuild.
[16:13] <Riddell> ScottK: locally yes but worth checking for the archive too
[16:14] <ScottK> True.
[16:16] <ScottK> Riddell: I think one of the %If (Qt_4_8_0 -)'s introduced a binary incompatibility that it would be best to discuss with upstream and resolve.  Somewhere in sip/QtCore I would guess.
[16:19] <yofel> do we even have another binary package that needs pyqt?
[16:20] <ScottK> "We" Kubuntu, probably not, "We" the Ubuntu project, tons.
[16:20] <yofel> really? if I look at the rdepends of python-qt4 I see python apps, those don't *link* against pyqt, only use it
[16:21] <Riddell> yofel: I don't know
[16:21] <Riddell> qwt?  qscintilla? only things that come to mind
[16:21] <Riddell> ScottK: that seems likely, I don't have time to take that up with upstream now though
[16:22] <ScottK> OK.  
[16:38] <Riddell> calligra compiled!
[16:39] <ScottK> \o/
[19:12] <Steve132> I'm trying to get the qtdesigner plugin for kubuntu
[19:12] <Steve132> er
[19:12] <Steve132> qtdesigner plugin for kdevelop
[19:13] <Steve132> and I can't seem to find the source code for the plugin
[19:13] <Steve132> to try to build it
[19:44] <BluesKaj> Steve132,  odd , it wa really rocking in here a while ago ...seems like everyone went for lunch or something.
[20:08] <BluesKaj> Steve132,  http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kdevelop-4 , you're on 10.04 , right ?
[21:34] <Tm_T> did we have Qt 4.8 somewhere for Oneiric?
[21:35] <ScottK> Don't think so.
[21:38] <Tm_T> this is rather annoying, KDE git master has couple apps depending on Qt 4.8, silently ofcourse
[21:39] <Tm_T> silent as in no cmake checks, just fails to build
[21:39] <Tm_T> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=132770031829592&w=2
[21:40] <Steve132> BluesKaj: I'm still here I just got back
[21:40] <Tm_T> ScottK: oh, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental
[21:41] <Tm_T> let's try...
[21:58] <BluesKaj> Steve132,  http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kdevelop-4 , you're on 10.04 , right ?
[21:58] <Steve132> 11.10
[21:58] <BluesKaj> oh , ok my mistake
[22:01] <BluesKaj> Steve132,  http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/kdevelop , scroll to the bottom for the package
[22:04] <Steve132> I'm not sure I understand
[22:04] <Steve132> I have kdevelop
[22:04] <Steve132> I use it all the time
[22:05] <Steve132> but what I want to do is build and/or install the qtdesigner plugin
[22:09] <Steve132> BluesKaj: You there?
[22:09] <BluesKaj> Steve132,  do you have independent 3rd party repos enabled in your package manager
[22:09] <Steve132> yes
[22:10] <Steve132> Well, what do you mean, exactly?  I have the ubuntu partners repo and the universe repo
[22:10] <Steve132> and the repo for 0ad
[22:10] <Steve132> and thats it
[22:12] <BluesKaj> no independent 3rd part in the list?
[22:12] <BluesKaj> party
[22:13] <BluesKaj> Steve132,  would qt creator be the same as what you're looking for 
[22:14] <Steve132> no,
[22:14] <Riddell> you're looking for the qtdesigner plugin source?  I didn't know there was such a thing and I don't know where the source is
[22:14] <Riddell> if you find it let us know and we might be able to package it
[22:16] <Darkwing> jjesse: ping
[22:16] <Steve132> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/devtools/kdevelop4-extra-plugins/
[22:16] <jjesse> slight pong back :)
[22:16] <Darkwing> Hey Riddell, how you holding up?
[22:16] <Steve132> theres a lot of plugins there
[22:16] <Darkwing> jjesse: slight? You on your way out?
[22:16] <Steve132> including "qtdesigner"
[22:17] <jjesse> yeah kinda
[22:17] <Darkwing> jjesse: I'll catch up via email then.
[22:17] <jjesse> Darkwing, thanks that will probably be best
[22:18] <Steve132> Ridell: There is also this blog post that references it..
[22:18] <Steve132> http://blogs.kde.org/node/2202
[22:18] <Steve132> *Riddell
[22:18] <BluesKaj> Steve132,  Qt 4 designer module ? that's what I have listed in synaptic
[22:18] <Riddell> Darkwing: improving thanks
[22:19] <Riddell> Steve132: ok so you're sorted?
[22:19] <Darkwing> Riddell: Awesome. Sorry I have not been around much this cycle so far. Hows the release coming?
[22:19] <Darkwing> I need to find BZR/GIT for my tablet (Android)
[22:20] <Riddell> Darkwing: ask me after alpha 2 next week :)
[22:20] <Darkwing> Riddell: Once Alpha 2 is dropped I'll be installing it.
[22:20] <Steve132> Riddell: No, I'm saying A) that that blog post seems to imply that QT Designer is natively inside KDevelop.  I did a BUNCH of research, but all I can find anywhere on the internet is that -extra-plugins svn link, but I can't seem to actually check out that directory from the svn and there's no tutorial on how to build plugins and its not in any package manager
[22:21] <Steve132> and nobody else seems to have heard of any of them
[22:21] <Riddell> Steve132: did you ask in #kdevelop ?
[22:21] <Steve132> Yeah, I didn't mean to spam this here, but my first interest was in trying to figure out if it was possible to install through the package manager
[22:22] <Steve132> And yeah I did ask in #kdevelop but they're kinda a ghost forum
[22:23] <Riddell> if it's part of the default kdevelop then we do package it, else we probably don't
[22:23] <Steve132> Honestly, if one of you would explain how to checkout stuff anonymously from that svn dir, and explain the packaging pipeline, I wouldn't mind attempting to build it and making a package out of it
[22:23] <Steve132> for Kubunut
[22:23] <Steve132> *KUbuntu
[22:24] <Riddell> there is a new version 2.4.81 so maybe you need that
[22:24] <Riddell> google for kde anonsvn
[22:24] <Riddell> it'll be svn co svn://something//trunk/playground/devtools/kdevelop4-extra-plugins
[22:25] <Steve132> That page is a stub
[22:25] <Steve132> I went there first
[22:25] <BluesKaj> Steve132, http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=qt4-designer
[22:25] <Riddell> Steve132: I don't know what you mean by "that page"
[22:26] <Riddell> 4.2.81 has packages in Precise and very experimental package for oneiric in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging
[22:26] <Steve132> Sorry..."I'm feeling lucky" for "kde anonsvn" gives http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Sources/Anonymous_SVN
[22:26] <Steve132> which has been unhelpfully deleted
[22:27] <BluesKaj> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=qt4-designer , I repeat
[22:27] <Steve132> Yeah: BluesKaj:  That's the standalone application
[22:27] <Steve132> I'm referring to the KDevelop plugins that are a part of the kde kdevelop-extra-plugin set
[22:27] <Steve132> it has the same name
[22:27]  * BluesKaj takes a break
[22:27] <Riddell> Steve132: then look for other pages on techbase.kde.org
[22:28] <Steve132> I just got it to work...I realized I was connecting over http
[22:28] <Steve132> to the anonsvn
[22:28] <Steve132> so I was able to check it out
[22:29] <Steve132> if I get them to build do you want me to submit a kdevelop4-extra-plugins package somehow?  I'm sorta unfamiliar with that process
[22:29] <Steve132> but I'd be willing to help
[22:30] <Riddell> yes that would be great if it's suitable for packaging
[22:30] <Riddell> meaning if it's stable enough and upstream consider it ready
[22:31] <Riddell> packaging takes a few hours to learn, there's various tutorials and people in here will be willing to help if you catch one of us at a good time
[22:31] <Riddell> or just file a needs-packaging bug
[22:32] <Steve132> Well, I'm familar with the build process...not with kde specifically but with unix programs overall
[22:32] <Steve132> but, ok
[22:33] <Steve132> how do I file a needs-packaging bug?
[22:33] <Riddell> that's a good start for packaging :)
[22:33] <Steve132> I also know CMake really well
[22:33] <Riddell> launchpad.net/ubuntu and report a bug on "ubuntu" with needs-packaging in the title (or maybe it's a needs-packaging tag)
[22:34] <Steve132> and build from source regularly...I just don't know how to make metadata or specify dependancies or create .debs
[22:35] <yofel> titled "[needs-packaging] <package>" and tagged needs-packaging
[22:35] <Riddell> debian packaging takes adding a debian/ directory to the source with a bunch of files in it that do various tasks, and learning the commands to build the package and upload it etc
[22:35] <yofel> at least the tag is required
[22:42] <Steve132> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/devtools/kdevelop4-extra-plugins/
[22:42] <Steve132> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/devtools/kdevelop4-extra-plugins/
[22:42] <Steve132> damn
[22:42] <Steve132> oops
[22:42] <Steve132> hold on
[22:42] <Steve132> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/923173
[22:42] <Steve132> there
[22:42] <Steve132> thats what I was trying to do
[22:42] <Steve132> oh neat
[22:42] <Steve132> bot
[22:44] <Steve132> In the build, I'm getting "Unknown CMake command "macro_optional_depend_package"."
[22:44] <Steve132> I assume that macro_optional_depend_package is a macro associate with the KDE project
[22:45] <Steve132> am I misconfiguring something? How do I set up my environment so that CMake can see that macro?
[22:45] <Riddell> if you have kdelibs5-dev installed that should be all that's needed by cmake
[22:46] <Riddell> if it's not you probably need to ask kdevelop guys
[22:46] <Riddell> kdevelop-dev may help too if it's kdev specific
[22:47] <Steve132> Nah, I have both of those
[22:47] <Steve132> ok, thank you
[22:47] <Steve132> for all your help
[22:47] <Steve132> I'm way further then I was before
[22:47] <Riddell> #kde-devel might be able to help too
[22:54] <Riddell> yet another calligra beta to be packaged