[00:44] <Kurdistan> hi I can only active kwin desktop effects by running env  KWIN_COMPOSE=O kwin --replace. when I disable kwin effects and restart. Try to enable kwin effects again I get error message. If I run the command line again kwin effects works. is it kwin/kde bug?
[00:46] <qbit> just from curiosity what kind of video card and drivers are you using?
[00:47] <Kurdistan> qbit, nvidia geforce go 7400 and I am using nvidia 295.9 drivers.
[00:50] <qbit> was just curious - here I have 280.13 with a gts-450 and have no problems
[00:50] <qbit> is the "go" version a laptop chip?
[00:50] <Kurdistan> qbit, yes.
[00:51] <qbit> just looks strange - the geforce 7400 part
[00:51] <Kurdistan> and kwin effects does not even work at all in 280.13
[00:51] <qbit> because I thought that was fairly old
[00:51] <Kurdistan> not with 290.* either
[00:51] <qbit> the reason I mention it was nvidia split their drivers some time back
[00:52] <Kurdistan> I needed compile 295.* from source to even have chance to get it working.
[00:52] <qbit> at some point older stuff was moved out from the new driverbase and into what they called "legacy" support
[00:52] <qbit> and IIRC legact support would be something like a version 173.xxx something or other
[00:52] <Kurdistan> qbit, does not work either, the legacy drivers.
[00:53] <qbit> there are lists that specify which are for which
[00:53] <Kurdistan> qbit, I do not understand.
[00:53] <qbit> one thing you can do to see if it is an OpenGL support problem is change the rendering
[00:55] <Kurdistan> qbit, how can I see that?
[00:55] <qbit> in system settings -> desktop effects -> advanced tab - change the compositing type to Xrender
[00:55] <Kurdistan> qbit, I did that ones. and changed back, with older driver. that was not a :) good move.
[00:55] <qbit> if it all the sudden seems happy using Xrender you aren't supporting OpenGL correctly
[00:56] <qbit> the "Blur" effect was a problem for a while - do you have that 'on'?
[00:56] <Kurdistan> qbit, yes. but that should be fixed with kde 4.8.0
[00:57] <qbit> well I removed 4.8 from my box because it ain't ready for prime time
[00:57] <qbit> thing about the nvidia drivers there is a kernel module involved
[00:58] <Kurdistan> qbit, okey. what kernel module?
[00:58] <qbit> when you install the latest stuff downloaded from the nvidia web site, you will need gcc, make, etc and kernel-headers so the installer can compile this module
[00:58] <Kurdistan> qbit, :) I compiled nvidia drivers the "ubuntu way".
[00:59] <qbit> when you utilize the drivers from the kubuntu repos these come prebuilt and matching the kernel
[01:00] <Kurdistan> qbit, yes I know. I build the driver/package like normal kubuntu/ubuntu nvidia drivers.
[01:00] <qbit> because I used to use opensuse and after a certain release of nvidia drivers I used to do this too and no end of trouble
[01:01] <qbit> it's one of about 5 reasons I'm using jubuntu now
[01:01] <qbit> the older driver that worked stopped working with kernel 3.x.x
[01:02] <Kurdistan> qbit, like I said I use kubuntu and nvidia drivers are build the same as nvidia drivers for all buntus.
[01:02] <qbit> iirc the install process was supposed to blacklist the nouveu module.driver
[01:03] <qbit> just looking for differences as to maybe why mine works flawless and your doesn't
[01:03] <Kurdistan> qbit, you have the same card?
[01:04] <qbit> have you examined /var/log/Xorg.0.log for lucky hints
[01:04] <qbit> I have a GTS-450 Palit
[01:05] <qbit> does your laptop have 2 video chips in it?
[01:07] <qbit> I have seen people fight with those forever, and there is some headway beginning to made wrt to what they call 'Optimus', which is a laptop that has 2 video chips in it
[01:07] <Kurdistan> qbit, http://paste.ubuntu.com/819529/
[01:07] <Kurdistan> qbit, no I do not have any hybrid card
[01:10] <qbit> I don't see anything particularly jumping out at me wrong there (your Xorg.0.log)
[01:11] <Kurdistan> qbit, yeah I know. I am lost. :(
[01:11] <qbit> and I'm quickly running out of ideas too  :(
[01:12] <qbit> now this is odd: Linux 2.6.24-29-server i686
[01:13] <Kurdistan> qbit, why?
[01:13] <qbit> is this really what uname -a reports?
[01:13] <Kurdistan> uname -r
[01:13] <Kurdistan> 3.0.0-15-generic
[01:13] <qbit> OK - that;s as it should be
[01:14] <Kurdistan> qbit, yes.
[01:14] <qbit> Ok 0 I just looked at mine and it's the same
[01:14] <Kurdistan> qbit, I wonder if I run autostart that command line like script
[01:15] <qbit> the line right below has the 3.0.0.15 in it as current operating system
[01:15] <qbit> I do recall some time ago you had to pass nomodeset on the grub boot line, but that should no longer apply
[01:16] <qbit> and iirc the problem that solved was a black screen with nothing
[01:17] <qbit> and if you turn desktop effects off entirely it works fine I bet
[01:17] <Kurdistan> qbit, did not get you.
[01:17] <Kurdistan> qbit, I added nomodeset and other thing to fix plymouth :)
[01:18] <qbit> yes - you know then  :-)
[01:19] <randomatix_> Has anyone else here had problems with panels that won't auto-unhide?  I just get the blue glow when I move the mouse to that screen edge.
[01:23] <qbit> Kurdistan: well I'm about out of ideas, other than deinstalling and using the Additional drivers menu option with the kubuntu repositories - and I strongly hesitate to even say that because it will probably reall make a mess
[01:24] <qbit> if you have enough performance to use the machine with desktop effects completely turned off and wait for someone smarter than me to come up with better ideas   :-)
[01:24] <Kurdistan> qbit, if I use kubuntus repo nvidia driver and try to active kwin effects
[01:25] <Kurdistan> my desktop will freez
[01:25] <qbit> ughhh
[01:25] <Kurdistan> and I will not be able to boot up after restart
[01:25] <qbit> so you've already been down that road....
[01:25] <Kurdistan> I need then to edit from livecd kwinrc
[01:25] <Kurdistan> qbit, :) yes. tried that.
[01:26] <qbit> I know a while back I had a problem where I had to completely remove my kwinrc and reboot
[01:26] <qbit> and it put a default one back
[01:26] <qbit> that was like 5 months ago
[01:26] <Kurdistan> qbit, that works also.
[01:27] <Kurdistan> but you can also :) enabled=true to change to enabled=false
[01:31] <Kurdistan> qbit, do you know how to autostart a script in kubuntu? were should I put it? ~/.kde/env or ~/.kde/Autostart?
[01:32] <qbit> I was never entirely certain of that
[01:32] <qbit> the gtk one is in env
[01:32] <qbit> but I think it can be configured in systemsettings
[01:33] <qbit> the startup and shutdown -> Autostart option
[01:34] <qbit> I'm confused by that because when you look there you'll see a gtk2-default-theme.rc.sh startup script, but that script is actually located in env
[01:35] <Kurdistan> qbit, exactly.
[01:35] <qbit> I suspect the Autostart directory is cruft for backwards compatible
[01:36] <qbit> don't forget if you put one there to chmod it executable
[01:36] <Kurdistan> qbit, thinking on making script like this. http://paste.ubuntu.com/819548/
[01:37] <qbit> he he - "if it works don't fix0r it"   :-)
[01:38] <qbit> that looks like to me it turns kwin compositing off and restarts kwin
[01:38] <qbit> or is that a O for "on"? and not a zero
[01:39] <Kurdistan> qbit, it force it to enabled/work it.
[01:39] <Kurdistan> got it from nvidia channel for time ago.
[01:40] <qbit> oh, and you're using Xorg on auto-pilot too I bet - I don't, I have a hand edited xorg.conf manually created to get my 2nd monitor to work using TwinView
[01:40] <Kurdistan> need to sleep. will come back tomorrow.
[01:41] <Kurdistan> qbit, :) same here.
[01:41] <qbit> couple more hours I'll be right behinf you
[01:41] <qbit> me getting sleepy too
[01:41] <qbit> well best of luck to you
[01:41] <qbit> hope it gets better  :-)
[01:41] <Kurdistan> qbit, sudo nvidia-xconfig this will create xorg.conf file
[01:42] <Kurdistan> then you can edit the way you wanted
[01:42] <qbit> mine has followe me from FreeBSD through Solaris before transplanting it to Linux
[02:37] <rocketfish2>  http://pastebin.com/awgrAY6f <--- dmesg
[02:37] <rocketfish2> help , usb drive rocketfish 3.5 external usb drive can be used by windows and mac, but not linux. linux sees the hard ware and even a usb flash drive plugged into the rocketfish external drive, but accessing the drive fails.
[02:38] <rocketfish2> #ubuntu
[02:53] <mel> I'm new to KDE, how do I find where it tells me what version I'm using?
[02:58] <Kimlaroux> mel, from any KDE app, like Dolphin or Amarok... Go to Help > About KDE
[02:59] <mel> Kimlaroux: Great thanks, now where do you find what version of Kubuntu your using?
[03:00] <Kimlaroux> use the command cat /etc/lsb-release
[03:01] <mel> Kimlaroux: awesome thanks again
[03:33] <indystorm> question- I am trying to access kcontrol in ubuntu server 10.04 running KDE.... It seems it is not available. How do I install it??
[03:37] <indystorm> ??
[03:41] <pangolin> !search kcontrol
[03:45] <indystorm> !search kcontrol
[03:45] <indystorm> whats that mean?
[03:58] <paulo_> Can I get some help about using linux here?
[03:59] <paulo_> I use Kubuntu 4.7 and it always forget my dual screen resolution (2 monitors) when I reboot.
[03:59] <paulo_> Any clue about that?
[04:00] <paulo_> help
[04:06] <randomatix_> Any ideas how to fix an auto-hiding panel that won't unhide?  4.8, been a problem since 4.7.
[04:07] <randomatix_> happens on old panels and newly-created ones.
[04:11] <Kubuntu_User> Hello, is anyone here?
[04:15] <sohussain> hello world!
[04:17] <sohussain> could anyone be kind enough to point me towards a backup tool/app (preferrably gui based) for kubuntu 11.10? need one to create a backup/image of my /root partition.
[04:23] <User17> hello
[04:26] <randomatix_> is Kubuntu supposed to have the new 4.8 ksecretservice as depicted in http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.8/screenshots/ksecretservice-sync.png ?
[04:33] <poyntz> hi all
[04:33] <poyntz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/819640/
[04:34] <poyntz> - I'm having issues with iexplore 8 for wine on kubuntu
[04:34] <poyntz> - above is the dump. not sure how to fix. please assist thanks
[04:48] <MacSeal> hi,howto change the range of sizes in dolphin? only view in KiB, don't in GiB, MiB, etc.....
[04:50] <poyntz> !iexplore
[05:04] <tWETY> #CHANELS
[06:04] <gartral> we need a stand-in op in #ubuntu, fast.
[06:13] <Num83rGuy> Can any one tell me where samba stors the list of folders you share it seems to be sending the wrong paths.
[06:14] <Num83rGuy> I cannot access them on the remote machine nor locally either.
[06:30] <Num83rGuy> Anyone have a clue?
[06:31] <colgra> люди, поставил kubuntu 11.10 и не могу зайти в Центр программ Moun. выдает ошибку, что делать?
[06:38] <Num83rGuy> Helo?
[06:38] <Num83rGuy> Can any one tell me where samba stores the list of folders you share it seems to be sending the wrong paths.
[06:40] <Beerty> used to be /etc/samba/smb.conf
[06:40] <Beerty> might still be there.
[06:40] <Num83rGuy> SAMBA is effed yet again and I need to know how to fix it. Are the directories stored in the /etc/samba/smb.conf file or are they stored somewhere else?
[06:41] <Num83rGuy> I looked in smb.conf they aren't
[06:41] <Num83rGuy> Are they supossed to be any more?
[06:43] <Beerty> not sure
[06:52] <colgra> where to find the Update Center? kubuntu 11.10 (Rus)
[07:03] <pavlovsk> hello
[07:05] <pavlovsk> I have a question about a problem Im having while trying to install kubuntu
[07:06] <pavlovsk> is this the right place
[07:15] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys, I get an error that goes by too quickly for me to read when I log in... And I have no sound at all.
[07:16] <LINKSWORD2> I can't say for certain, but I believe I'm missing some kind of driver file.
[07:18] <LINKSWORD2> !help
[07:19] <LINKSWORD2> !repair
[07:25] <datruth> is there away to get a terminal with a transparent background?
[07:33] <Kimlaroux> datruth, I can't remember which, but I believe one of the terminal client can do it... the easy solution is to use KDE's windows opacity on the whole window
[07:37] <datruth> no transparent options there
[08:44] <jdhfr> how to change language in console?
[08:45] <jdhfr> am i talking chinese or what?
[08:51] <Martt> hi everybody I've got a question about the new 4.8 KDE version
[09:15] <ok2cqr> Hello, i just installed Kubuntu 11.10 and upgraded to kde 4.8
[09:15] <ok2cqr> everything is working fine except sftp
[09:16] <Tm_T> ok2cqr: go on
[09:16] <ok2cqr> I tried to connect to my server from krusader but didnt work
[09:16] <ok2cqr> I only got that auth failed
[09:16] <ok2cqr> but i'm sure, the pass and username is correct
[09:17] <Tm_T> ok2cqr: does it work from Konsole?
[09:17] <ok2cqr> also can't find how to connect to sftp from Doplhin, is there something like that, please?
[09:17] <ok2cqr> yes, it does
[09:18] <Tm_T> ok2cqr: write "fish://username@host:path" in the path/address field on dolphin
[09:18] <Tm_T> yes, fish, not sftp (:
[09:20] <ok2cqr> Tm_T: This works! Thank you!
[09:21] <ok2cqr> It would be great if it could work also from Krusader.
[09:21] <Tm_T> ok2cqr: try fish there too?
[09:22] <Tm_T> although I don't know what benefit Krusader has over Dolphin
[09:22] <ok2cqr> oh, you are right, it is working
[09:26] <ok2cqr> I must say, I really love new KDE
[09:26] <ok2cqr> Amarok with Jamendo is amazing
[09:26] <Riddell> thanks ok2cqr :)
[09:26] <ok2cqr> I've set panel to looks like in Win7
[09:27] <ok2cqr> running it in vmware but for sure I leave Unity and will install Kubuntu
[09:36]  * jdhfr wonders why amarok is such crap
[09:43] <Riddell> jdhfr: many people find it a best-of-breed bit of free software
[09:43] <Riddell> ok2cqr: how do you set the panel to look like windows 7?
[09:44] <jdhfr> i turn it on and suddently have "0 tracks in my collection"
[09:44] <Riddell> sounds like you found a bug
[09:44] <ok2cqr> I added to panel "Icon-only task manager"
[09:44] <ok2cqr> it was in plasma widgets
[09:45] <jdhfr> sounds like amarok is what i said earlier
[09:48] <Tm_T> jdhfr: if your only intention is here to comment the quality of apps, then I have to ask you to stop, as this channel is for support, not for rants
[09:56] <jdhfr> how to enable hynernation?
[10:10] <jdhfr> HOW to enable HYBERNATIOB?
[10:10] <Kimlaroux> jdhfr, you mean suspend to disc?
[10:10] <jdhfr> yes
[10:10] <Kimlaroux> it's a choice in the leave menu
[10:11] <Kimlaroux> in the K menu, I see Hibernation
[10:11] <jdhfr> does it have an icon?
[10:11] <Kimlaroux> yes, it's like a snow flake
[10:12] <jdhfr> oh. I would never had guessed because of braindead translators
[10:12] <Kimlaroux> you can also find it in the leave menu when you right click on the desktop > Leave > then old left mouse button over the Shut Down button until "suspend to disc" shows up
[10:13] <SIQKO> if fan runs faster than usualy eventhough there is no such a process overloading the CPU what the reasom might be ?
[10:14] <Kimlaroux> You can also use Alt+F2 and type in "hibernate", there's a suspend to disc option that shows up
[10:14] <Kimlaroux> SIQKO, have you looked at /proc/cpuinfo to see if your cores were running at high clocks?
[10:15] <SIQKO> nop but i checked with htop and system activity
[10:16] <SIQKO> first when i installed the os it was working and still works great but when i open a browser or package mannager or somthin else it just runs with high speed
[10:17] <Kimlaroux> I never heard of htop, what's the difference between it and top?
[10:18] <SIQKO> it is interactive and easier to mainuplate
[10:18] <SIQKO> u can scroll down and approach in a selected poroc
[10:18] <Kimlaroux> I'll check it out thanks
[10:19] <SIQKO> u'r welcome
[10:19] <Kimlaroux> are you running an old machine? Maybe your computer is having a hard time
[10:19] <SIQKO> but regarding my CPU worklead issue
[10:19] <SIQKO> nop
[10:20] <Kimlaroux> Oh wow, htop is neat! =)
[10:20] <SIQKO> yeah it's cool isn't it
[10:20] <Kimlaroux> try something: killall plasma-desktop
[10:21] <SIQKO> plasma desktop dude ... sure
[10:21] <Kimlaroux> then use the alt+f2 menu to launch things and see if your cpu still runs like crazy
[10:21] <Kimlaroux> you can always restard plasma-desktop through this menu
[10:22] <Kimlaroux> My guess is you've got too many desktop effects running
[10:23] <SIQKO> it appears only when i open a browser, multi tabing or as i said when i open the pcg manager etc
[10:25] <SIQKO> how do i disable the desktop effects
[10:26] <Kimlaroux> System settings > Look & Feel > Desktop > Desktop Effects
[10:27] <Kimlaroux> you can see them all under the tab All Effects
[10:27] <Kimlaroux> I used to run a bunch of them, but then hung my PC and made it run like crazy when I used too many apps
[10:28] <Kimlaroux> s/then/they
[10:30] <SIQKO> so do i disable all of them ?
[10:31] <Kimlaroux> not really... but you can disable them all in the General tab. At least to see if it's the problem
[10:32] <Kimlaroux> right under the tab, there's an option to disable desktop effects
[10:33] <SIQKO> u mean at activation
[10:33] <Kimlaroux> yeah it might be difference, they like to change things from one version to another
[10:33] <Kimlaroux> different*
[10:34] <Kimlaroux> I'm running an "old" kde
[10:34] <SIQKO> mhh i see
[10:34] <Kimlaroux> kubuntu 10.04
[10:34] <SIQKO> and if that appeared in ur vers it must be very likely to be the same prbl here
[10:35] <SIQKO> u know what i am not concerned about
[10:36] <SIQKO> i runn the same os but in a different connections, when im in a wifi zone i open up so many tabs and flashes etc.. nothing happends
[10:37] <Kimlaroux> on the same computer?
[10:37] <SIQKO> yep
[10:37] <SIQKO> so i doubt about the network but since i lack further knowlegde i cannot assume anything
[10:38] <Kimlaroux> it's weird though that the internet connection would affect the processing power needed... but meh, not impossible ;)
[10:39] <SIQKO> i don't know as u said u said it is possible
[10:40] <SIQKO> and u know it is killing the fact that the fan is running this fast when i engage in a simple operation where there is no need for such a proc power
[10:42] <SIQKO> i removed the browsers than lots of thing that might somehow affect the cpu workload but when it still im not convinced
[10:44] <SIQKO> there is an option that says: very low display resolution and very high CPU
[10:45] <Kimlaroux> Yeah you can try it out
[10:46] <SIQKO> so low dp relsolution and low CPU (does low referes to CPU) ?
[10:46] <SIQKO> eventhough im goin to try whatever
[10:49] <SIQKO> so nex thing im going to try that with all effects i don't need tham if i wanted i'd be using mac
[10:50] <Kimlaroux> yeah the best way is to try, your problem could be somewhere else too, the only way to find it is to try things
[10:53] <SIQKO> isn't there any option how can i disable all of the effect cuz if i do manually an if thats not a prob how do activate tham again
[10:54] <Kimlaroux> yes there is
[10:54] <SIQKO> i mean how do i remember which one i deactivated
[10:54] <Kimlaroux> when on the "desktop effects" settings, isn't there 3 tabs on the screen?
[10:54] <SIQKO> and where do i find this
[10:54] <SIQKO> yep
[10:54] <Kimlaroux> General tab?
[10:54] <SIQKO> general all and advanced..
[10:55] <Kimlaroux> right
[10:55] <SIQKO> then
[10:55] <Kimlaroux> in General, just under the tab, there's a check box that disables all the effects
[10:56] <SIQKO> there is one but refers for the start up meny
[10:56] <SIQKO> but....
[10:57] <SIQKO> there is an option that says:desktop effects can be toggled anytime using this shortcut (alt shift f12)
[10:58] <Kimlaroux> oh nice, I didn't know about this shortcut =P
[10:58] <SIQKO> well is that useful in my case
[10:59] <jdhfr> why my volume tresets to 100% on each login?
[10:59] <SIQKO> but there is no options for all efects thought
[10:59] <Kimlaroux> well yes, just use the short cut to toggle the effects on and off, then test your system to see if the cpu runs fast
[11:00] <SIQKO> so this shortcut will stop the effects than if that's not the issue i'll try somthin else
[11:01] <Kimlaroux> SIQKO, http://mschlander.wordpress.com/2011/01/23/kde-is-slow-for-dummies/
[11:01] <Kimlaroux> this is a nice article, with screen shots
[11:01] <Kimlaroux> I am refering to step 3
[11:01] <SIQKO> dummies ??? ok why not
[11:02] <Kimlaroux> I don't care how the article is named... it's great
[11:05] <jdhfr> why my volume tresets to 100% on each login?
[11:07] <Kimlaroux> jdhfr, in kmix, there's a settings called "Restore volumes on login", you might want to toggle it and see what it does
[11:07] <SIQKO> no no it's pretty good im just kidin u know dummies ;)
[11:08] <jdhfr> it's on but it still does
[11:08] <Kimlaroux> maybe try it off?
[11:09] <Kimlaroux> and are you using puleaudio?
[11:09] <Kimlaroux> pulseaudio*
[11:09] <jdhfr> have no idea what i use
[11:10] <Kimlaroux> is kmix showing "pulseaudio" in one of the tabs?
[11:11] <Kimlaroux> I think I found something
[11:11] <Kimlaroux> jdhfr, go to system settings > system administration > multimedia
[11:12] <jdhfr> then?
[11:12] <Kimlaroux> What's the first thing showing up in the lists, analog or digital?
[11:12] <jdhfr> analog
[11:13] <Kimlaroux> hhmm, so your problem isn't like this guy's http://delogics.blogspot.com/2012/01/kde-volume-resets-pulseaudio.html
[11:28] <SIQKO> when do you i download a new theme for the splash sreen at the start up how do you install it, where it is saved i can't find
[11:31] <Kimlaroux> SIQKO, I never figured this one out... I simply install them from the control panel. There's a button that says "get more themes..."
[11:32] <SIQKO> Control panel .. on my way
[11:32] <Kimlaroux> from there you can make a search for the one you downloaded and install it
[11:33] <SIQKO> that's what i was looking for but i wasn't sure how to approachit it thnx man
[11:35] <SIQKO> omg i am so lame where is the control panel dude
[11:39] <SIQKO> u'r using the older vers things are bit of different in this one so sry for my ..
[11:40] <Kimlaroux> System Settings
[11:41] <Kimlaroux> I'm just used to call it "control panel"...  XD
[11:42] <SIQKO> ohh now i feel lil better :D
[11:42] <SIQKO> sys setting and
[11:43] <Kimlaroux> Look & Feel > Appearance > Splash Screen
[11:44] <kerloi> Hi all. I want to install java on my computer but I am completely lost. The more I read the kubuntu doc the less I understand want I'm suppose to do ...
[11:44] <SIQKO> actualy i did that
[11:44] <Kimlaroux> yeah, java can be confusing at first
[11:44] <SIQKO> but the installed ones are not showing on the list
[11:45] <kerloi> Is there any tuto to help install java. I don't mind using any version but I just want  it to work (I'm using a 64 bits version of kubuntu ...)
[11:45] <Kimlaroux> Oracle's java isn't supported on Ubuntu anymore, you have to install OpenJDK
[11:45] <SIQKO> so i don't know where they are located
[11:45] <kerloi> Kimlaroux: Ok so I install openJDK and IcedTea plugin right ?
[11:46] <Kimlaroux> yep... you just have to search for "java" in your application manager
[11:47] <Kimlaroux> yeah, nevermind that
[11:47] <Kimlaroux> I just tried it, and a bunch of other stuff comes up
[11:48] <Kimlaroux> kerloi, the package you want is openjdk-6-jre
[11:48] <kerloi> Well I was using the openJDK since now but I had some trouble. When I use java application within firefox, everything on the screen bug (black section, blinkering buttons etc ...)
[11:48] <kerloi> and even if I close firefox it doesn't change anything. I have to restart the X session ...
[11:49] <Kimlaroux> you're not the first one to have problems with it, personally I can't even recall the last time I needed java
[11:51] <kerloi> What about openjdk-7 ?
[11:52] <Kimlaroux> you have it?
[11:52] <Kimlaroux> it's not showing up in my system, but I'm running 10.04
[11:52] <kerloi> Well I can see it in muon logithec
[11:52] <kerloi> I have 11.10
[11:53] <Kimlaroux> yeah you have access to more up to date packages than I do ;)
[12:02] <SIQKO> Kimlaroux: i did it, just needed to be installed after downloaded in in folder specified than it insalled
[12:04] <Kimlaroux> where's that?
[12:04] <Kimlaroux> I tried to install one and it didn't install, even though the "get new themes" window says it is
[12:05] <SIQKO> you just follow the link or copy it than chose the location
[12:06] <SIQKO> and after that u go to install and just installit no need to extract
[12:07] <SIQKO> where the themes are and instead of direct insalling em you download them and since you know where they are located it is easier to install then
[12:08] <SIQKO> but as i said do not insall manually try the meny next to get new themes, intall the theme and install the already downloaded one
[12:11] <Kimlaroux> Oh! How blind am I, I never noticed this button, thanks
[12:14] <SIQKO> no pob thank you too
[12:54] <BluesKaj> Hiyas  all
[12:55] <mydogsnameisrudy> ah coffee is good today, we got 3 inchs of snow also
[12:55] <BluesKaj> yup, we received about 2" yesterday
[12:56] <mydogsnameisrudy> were are you?
[12:56] <mydogsnameisrudy> im in michigan
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Canada, what is known as Northern Ontario , about 200mi N of Toronto as the crow flies , and you ?
[12:58] <BluesKaj> ok , been thru mich many times, where exactly
[12:58] <mydogsnameisrudy> just 50 mile south of the canada us border
[12:58] <BluesKaj> I75 nearby?
[12:59] <mydogsnameisrudy> yep little town of Hessel
[12:59] <BluesKaj> we basically get the same weather then
[12:59] <mydogsnameisrudy> ya i think so
[13:00] <BluesKaj> it's just around freezing mark here this morn, cloudy and dull
[13:01] <mydogsnameisrudy> 31 deg f your 0c i think
[13:01] <BluesKaj> yup
[13:01] <mydogsnameisrudy> you been using linux a long time?
[13:02] <Tm_T> this is slowly becoming a conversation that would use #kubuntu-offtopic (;
[13:02] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok Tm_T  what do you want to talk about
[13:02] <BluesKaj> just bought an iindoor outdoor thermometer m gonna hang the outdooe sensor in the birch tree in the back
[13:03] <BluesKaj> mydogsnameisrudy,  Tm_T is right, join us in #kubuntu-offtopic
[13:04] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok fine ;) sorry
[13:04] <Tm_T> np (:
[13:10] <datruth> is there away to get a terminal with a transparent background?
[13:10] <Peace-> datruth: yes
[13:11] <Tm_T> datruth: see the Konsole settings
[13:11] <datruth> Peace-: how?
[13:11] <Peace-> datruth: google konsole transparent?
[13:12] <Tm_T> Peace-: telling people to google is not the way to help here
[13:13] <Peace-> Tm_T: if he doesn't find ... i will help
[13:13] <Tm_T> datruth: if you go configure Konsole profile, edit the appearance preferences, there's transparency slider
[13:13] <Tm_T> Peace-: when people come to ask help here, you don't ask them to google first and only then help, this is not the purpose of this channel
[13:14] <soee> is there some command to download all files from remote server directory ?
[13:14] <Peace-> Tm_T: it was an easy question , the most of time here doesn't answer anyone
[13:15] <Peace-> so if it's a problem this..
[13:15] <Peace-> i can always leave...
[13:15] <mydogsnameisrudy> dont leave Peace-  Tm_T  is just being cranky ;)
[13:16] <Tm_T> Peace-: lets continue this on #ubuntu-ops so we don't disrupt the channel any further, ok? (:
[13:17] <BluesKaj> wow , Tm_T . lighten up , you made your point
[13:21] <datruth> I guess compiz  is needed for that
[13:21] <datruth> hrmm
[13:21] <Tm_T> datruth: hm?
[13:22] <Tm_T> datruth: should work just fine with Kwin
[13:25] <datruth> i found it hidden away in settings
[13:25] <Tm_T> datruth: got it working?
[13:25] <datruth> No it doesn't want to work with my desktop
[13:26] <datruth> but I did find the option
[13:26] <Tm_T> datruth: how it doesn't work? does it give any error message?
[13:26] <datruth> oh nvm
[13:26] <datruth> werid
[13:26] <datruth> I have to restart the program for it to take effect
[13:26] <Tm_T> (:
[13:26] <datruth> :)
[13:27] <skaczor> soee: have you tried "wget -r http://blah/"
[13:27] <datruth> Peace-: thx for the search string
[13:27] <soee> skaczor, yeah got it already
[13:28] <george> hello. I want to set ONLY the icons of my kubuntu 11.10 to default. How can I do it?
[13:28] <Tm_T> george: icon theme you mean?
[13:30] <george> Tm_T: yeah, but I don't want to delete .kde folder at ~ because it will mess up my other kde settings...
[13:30] <Tm_T> george: Oxygen icon theme is the default one, would selecting it do the job?
[13:32]  * datruth likes the transparent background now
[13:32] <george> Tm_T: the thing is that I've changed some app icons, folder icons and stuff. I don't quite remember which ones, so I just want to revert it to default. oxygen theme is already selected.
[13:34] <Tm_T> george: oh, individual apps?
[13:34] <george> Tm_T: yep.
[13:35] <Tm_T> george: individual folders have .directory files that contains the icon data
[13:35] <Tm_T> removing those files does the job
[13:39] <george> Tm_T: ok, by the way. is there some specific folder for games? I've set an individual one but since the icon folder change (kde 4.7 I guess), it looks bad with the other folders.
[13:40] <Tm_T> george: forder icon or folder?
[13:40] <Tm_T> I think it's no for both, though
[13:41] <george> folder icon :). Oh, ok, then. Thanks for your help.
[13:42] <Tm_T> george: not in oxygen anyway, but I suppose internet is full of icons, that's what I try if none other fits
[13:43] <george> Tm_T: sure, that was I've done. but with the new folder icons, it just doesn't go with. I've already searched, but there is no  s
[13:43] <george> uch game folder with the new folder look.
[13:44] <george> Tm_T: Anyway, thanks again.
[13:46] <Tm_T> george: np
[15:17] <SIQKO> hey guys
[15:17] <SIQKO> screensaver installation proc
[15:17] <SIQKO> anybody
[15:17] <Tm_T> SIQKO: uh, you haven't told yet what is your problem
[15:18] <SIQKO> have downloaded but don't know how to install em
[15:18] <Tm_T> SIQKO: does the package contain install instructions? or the site from where you obtained it?
[15:19] <SIQKO> nope
[15:19] <SIQKO> i just says download
[15:19] <Tm_T> how and from where did you obtain it?
[15:19] <SIQKO> don't remember
[15:20] <Tm_T> ...what kind of file it is?
[15:20] <SIQKO> i googled for a while than i found
[15:20] <SIQKO> mhhh
[15:20] <SIQKO> .tgz
[15:22] <SIQKO> so what should i do know i mean there isn't any options on the system seting on getting and installing the screensaver
[15:22] <Tm_T> SIQKO: unpack the file to see what it contains, I suspect you have install instructions there
[15:31] <SIQKO> no there are no instructions
[15:32] <Tm_T> SIQKO: what kind of files did the package contain?
[15:33] <Tm_T> ...no instructions doesn't promise much
[15:35] <SIQKO> nop
[15:35] <Tm_T> random source and no instructions provided, I wouldn't touch myself
[15:37] <SIQKO> OK
[15:38] <jdhfr> what is best tool to replace amarok with?
[15:41] <Tm_T> jdhfr: I'm unsure what you're asking exactly
[15:42] <Tm_T> !best | jdhfr also this
[15:42] <BluesKaj> jd  my personal fav is VLC , just as aplayer , not as asource for music info or band history etc
[15:42] <BluesKaj> jdhfr, ^
[15:43] <jdhfr> you just kde fanboys, you disgust me
[15:43] <Tm_T> aww
[15:44]  * BluesKaj shrugs , as if  we care
[16:03] <markus__> moin
[16:17] <rockl> @search getting things done
[16:47] <dies_irae> MEME!!!!!!!!!
[16:47]  * dies_irae wants to let out a meme soooo badly.
[16:48] <dies_irae> why in the h.. eavens middle click URL is broken on firefox????
[17:06] <dandellion_yello> anybody had this problem when after reboot, mic is muted ?
[17:10] <argoblast> What's with the integration of LibreOffice and KDE in Kubuntu 11.10? The graphics and such are a bit messed up. I've tried most basic things and none seem to fix it apart from making it even more uglier.
[17:15] <dies_irae> argoblast: for flawless integration try Koffice, now changed to Calligra Suit.
[17:16] <argoblast> dies_irae: aye, just apt-got it. but i'd prefer to let somebody use libreoffice rather than koffice in these days. as i'm setting it up for someone else.
[17:17] <dies_irae> argoblast: you got a screenshot of the fugly part?
[17:18] <markus___> I use libreoffice on kubuntu. seems to work fine?
[17:18] <dies_irae> try Calligra Suit instead of Koffice.
[17:18] <markus___> maybe you do not have the original fonts installed?
[17:18] <argoblast> 11.10 check the About box and you'll see the ugly things, along with menus not looking correct, and tooltips slightly blackened, and so on..
[17:19] <argoblast> it's the livecd, and i've checked numerous times
[17:19] <dies_irae> lawl
[17:19] <dies_irae> argoblast: you know after an install there are crap tons of updates??
[17:19] <argoblast> yes, i do know that
[17:20] <argoblast> but it didn't change anything
[17:20] <dies_irae> argoblast: which program in particular? I want to double check here. Maybe you got faulty hardware.
[17:20] <argoblast> you can try in virtualbox, same thing
[17:20] <argoblast> any libreoffice
[17:21] <dies_irae> argoblast: like the word processor?
[17:21] <argoblast> aye
[17:23] <dies_irae> argoblast: I can't reproduce the problem here, also running off LiveUSB.
[17:23] <argoblast> installed the updates, tried reinstalling it, tried the official debs, tried the ppa. same thing everywhere. can't see it in any other distros, so i dunno
[17:23] <dies_irae> argoblast: the only slight cosmetic blemish is tiny black corners around bullets under format drop down menu.
[17:24] <argoblast> how about the About?
[17:24] <dies_irae> argoblast: wait, you're right, pop up messages appear as BLACK boxes.
[17:25] <dies_irae> About looks clean excpet for the pop up message over the link.
[17:26] <dies_irae> argoblast: but that's most likely fixed with an upgrade after install. 100% sure we are not the only ones noticing this.
[17:26] <argoblast> between the build number and the copyright, the space between, is it grey or white? should be white..
[17:26] <argoblast> in the About..
[17:28] <argoblast> i've installed it in virtualbox to see if an update fixed it, but seemingly no
[17:28] <dies_irae> argoblast: this --> http://ompldr.org/vY2k0Zw
[17:28] <argoblast> and the menus look slightly weird too, no borders
[17:29] <argoblast> yeah, shouldn't look like that
[17:29] <argoblast> annoying.
[17:29] <dies_irae> argoblast: if you're installing for someone they prolly don't give damn that much.
[17:29] <dies_irae> won't be as finnicky as you.
[17:30] <viKtor_> can anyone tell me why kde is better than gtk? i'm still playing arround with kubuntu and ubuntu and still i don't decide which one my computer should run as a main computer :S
[17:31] <dies_irae> viKtor_: there's some dilemma with Gnome's direction, with ubuntu's gnome fork etc.
[17:31] <argoblast> dies_irae: true perhaps
[17:32] <viKtor_> dies_irae: yeah i know, actually i don't really like unity but gnome shellç
[17:32] <dies_irae> viKtor_: to such an extent that Mint Linux started their own Gnome fork http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/
[17:32] <viKtor_> my own dilema is that i like the way gnome shell looks and works, but i really love some kde apps, but i don't like too much kde interface... too much windows vista :S
[17:32] <dies_irae> viKtor_: so, that's question is so suggestive impossible to answer. I actually use fluxbox.
[17:33] <dies_irae> viKtor_: lawl, nothing prevents from using apps from another toolkit on either Desktop.
[17:33] <viKtor_> and then, even if dolphing it's amazing... i thing evolution and gnome telepathy is way better and easy to configure than kde analoguesç
[17:34] <viKtor_> *dolphinç
[17:34] <dies_irae> ya, dolphin pretty neat.
[17:34] <viKtor_> *dolphin
[17:34] <dies_irae> but nothing beats CLI terminals.
[17:34] <vandenoever> after installing kubuntu (or ubuntu) with latest updates, it boots with a black screen
[17:34] <viKtor_> after using it... i can't use nautilus (iive been using gnome for 6 years and kde just  a week)ç
[17:34] <vandenoever> is this a know X regression?
[17:35] <BluesKaj> viKtor_,  you can theme kde to look like you want it to , mostly ..but windows vista? no way kde was here long beforew windows vista was released
[17:35] <dies_irae> vandenoever: which GPU card are u using and which kubuntu release?
[17:35] <markus___> viKtor_: Everybody likes other things :D I always deinstall kmail and install thunderbird. I need some of the plugins it has
[17:36] <BluesKaj> er no way ,
[17:36] <argoblast> kde, the main theme, has too much whitespace. wasting too many pixels on nothing.
[17:36] <viKtor_> BluesKaj: it's impossible for kde to imitate gnome shell interface i think the way you can access everything from the dash is fucking useful
[17:36] <dies_irae> w00t I missed that remart about m$$ vi$ta
[17:36] <vandenoever> dies_irae: some intel, not sure atm, let me check (hp elite 2540p)
[17:36]  * BluesKaj wonders where the vista comparison came from
[17:37] <BluesKaj> !language | viKtor_,
[17:37] <viKtor_> BluesKaj: oops sorry ;)
[17:37] <viKtor_> i'm my native language the "f*" has lost its meaning meaning simply "amazing, awsome" ^^
[17:37] <viKtor_> so sometimes i forget it hehe
[17:38] <vandenoever> dies_irae: ah booting with 'nomodeset' fixes it
[17:38] <viKtor_> and do you find calligra a real substitute to libreoffice?
[17:38] <BluesKaj> viKtor_,  well, the idea of kde is to have a desktop that doesn't look like a cartoon/comic book
[17:38] <argoblast> BluesKaj: too bad the standard theme ruins it
[17:39] <BluesKaj> argoblast,  themes are a matter of preference and taste , easily changed
[17:39] <viKtor_> BluesKaj: yeah that's true, the difference between gnome and kde look is SO obvious... but i still find oxygent theme kind of old and ugly
[17:39] <dies_irae> viKtor_: yeah right!! lame excuse about f-bomb.
[17:39] <BluesKaj> viKtor_,  read above
[17:40] <viKtor_> dies_irae: what's your native language?
[17:40] <argoblast> BluesKaj: aye, but then you could say that about the cartoon/comic books desktops as well
[17:41] <viKtor_> BluesKaj: i tried bespin that looks amazing but... i found some bugs specially with the k menu
[17:41] <BluesKaj> not really argoblast , your still stuck on gnome.unity ...not my cuppa tea for sure . but if you have complaints you can always air them in #kde
[17:41] <Steve132> Does anyone know if it is possible to install the kdevelop plugins under kubuntu or do they have to be built from source?
[17:43] <viKtor_> can i see your k desktops in a screenshot just to see how i could customize mine?
[17:43] <BluesKaj> Steve132,  install kdevelop-custom-buildsytem
[17:44] <Steve132> BluesKaj: From what I can tell thats not a package in the package manager
[17:44] <Steve132> What did you mean?
[17:44] <dies_irae> argoblast: check this one out --> http://www.calligra.org/
[17:45] <BluesKaj> viKtor_,  lookin system settings>aplication appearance , or workspace behaviour and workspace appearance
[17:46] <viKtor_> BluesKaj:  but i have no idea of how to change the windows theme
[17:47] <BluesKaj> Steve132,  odd , it shows up in mine ...make sure you have your canonical partner repos enabled
[17:47] <viKtor_> in gnome it's easy but what about kde? i just can get bespin or oxygen? :S
[17:47] <Steve132> What's the best way to check that?  Also, I'm on 11.10...maybe the package is older?
[17:47] <BluesKaj> viKtor_,  look in the above places i mentioned in system settings
[17:48] <Tm_T> !find kde-style
[17:48] <viKtor_> ok there i can change plasma theme, window border and coulours... but what about the oxygen theme?
[17:48] <BluesKaj> viKtor_,  choose get new themes
[17:48] <Tm_T> viKtor_: see the "application appearance"
[17:49] <viKtor_> BluesKaj: you mean in style preferences?
[17:50] <argoblast> dies_irae: are the beta packages of calligra newish?
[17:50] <Tm_T> argoblast: yes
[17:50] <viKtor_> argoblast: yeah i'm using it actually
[17:51] <BrickRisk> I'm having an issue with installing xbmc-eventclients-wiiremote, everytime i do apt-get uninstalls XBMC.
[17:51] <argoblast> the ppa, does it include kde 4.8?
[17:51] <BluesKaj> viKtor_,  workspace appearance>desktop theme
[17:51] <viKtor_> BluesKaj: but that's just plasma theme! hehe that's what i mean
[17:55] <BluesKaj> it's more than that , viKtor_ , you need to use the 3 places in system settings that I mentioned , it's unfortunate that they aren't integrated into one place
[17:56] <viKtor_> i don't know... i just don't get the point of kde, everything looks newer than gnome, except for the interface that looks old as hell :S we should hav a kde shell! haha
[17:57] <BluesKaj> viKtor_,  well then go back to gnome if you like it better , explore kde instread of compaining about it
[17:58] <viKtor_> blue i think you don't understand what i mean... air plasma it's ok, i just want change / customize the "oxygen" theme, there i can't find any way of getting new styles, and the one i just know by heart it's bespin
[17:59] <viKtor_> BluesKaj: and i'm not complaining, even if i could... for example, i could say *ubuntu it's crap at least in kde, cause chakra it's way better with every little detail it has... but no, i'm not doing it ;)
[17:59] <BluesKaj> viKtor_,  look at this www.kde-look.org
[18:01] <dies_irae> viKtor_: try fluxbox
[18:02] <Tm_T> dies_irae: that won't help him a bit
[18:02] <Tm_T> he's not complaining about window decorations AFAIK
[18:03] <dies_irae> themes?
[18:03] <Tm_T> viKtor_: did you find the app style config?
[18:03] <viKtor_> haha fluxbox is ugly! i used to use openbox too
[18:03] <dies_irae> viKtor_: no one can decide for your own personal preferneces. So your questino 'how to decide' is stupid.
[18:04] <Tm_T> dies_irae: please
[18:04] <viKtor_> and i'm the official spanish translator foran e17 distro
[18:05] <viKtor_> i don't think it's too hard to understand... what can i use instead of oxygen theme, that's it ;)
[18:05] <BluesKaj> BrickRisk, I think the remote option of xbmc is a different version not just a plugin
[18:05] <viKtor_> how can i set a single touch as a keybind?
[18:05] <Tm_T> viKtor_: there's plenty of themes by default where to choose from, but did you find the dialog where it can be chosen?
[18:05] <viKtor_> these little thinks i can't do it! :S
[18:06] <BrickRisk> BluesKaj: XBMC dissapears and if I launch the xbmc-wiiremote all it does is look for a wii remote, its weird
[18:06] <viKtor_> Tm_T: you mean plastique, motif, cleanlooks?
[18:07] <BrickRisk> I've tried other repositories too, according to xbmc-docs you launch xbmc-wiiremote and then xbmc..I can get it to work if I launch xbmc-wiiremote then install xbmc and launch it
[18:07] <BrickRisk> but the next time around xbmc-wiiremote is gone of course
[18:08] <BrickRisk> what repo does everyone use for XBMC?
[18:09] <BrickRisk> or ppa whatever it is now
[18:09] <BluesKaj> viKtor_,  in system settings>application appearances >style>widget style >click on the options there , then choose and configure
[18:10] <viKtor_> BluesKaj: ok thanks dude
[18:11] <BluesKaj> BrickRisk,  I thought it was compiled from source , at leas thtat's what i did when i tried it last yr
[18:11] <BluesKaj> I don't see xbmc in my package manager
[18:12] <BrickRisk> BluesKaj: Im thinking of going that route, Im wodering if I'm having trouble because they are transitioning to Eden
[18:12] <BrickRisk> no XBMC has its own you need to add
[18:13] <BrickRisk> Ahh I think Im gonna go from source BluesKaj
[18:14] <BrickRisk> Im not in love with this Muon...it is a little flacky
[18:14] <BluesKaj> BrickRisk,  for what it's worth xbmc is cool if you want a server style setup with xbmc doing all the heavy lifting , but I found VLC for Dolby Digital and DTS works fine , for regular 2 ch videos dragonplayer fits my needs
[18:14] <IppatsuMan> Hi all. I'd like to update KDE to version 4.8 using the backports ppa. But when I try to upgrade (via aptitude dist-upgrade) aptitude says that there is a package conflict (kdepim-groupware, libplasmaclock4abi2, libtaskmanager4abi2) and proposes to remove about a hundred of packages. Full output here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/820341/ . Any suggestion on how to fix it?
[18:14] <viKtor_> i'm reinstalling my gnome ^^ kde has just somethings i don't like :S
[18:14] <viKtor_> thanks anyway dudes!
[18:15] <BrickRisk> BluesKaj: Yeah I use VLC also I love it
[18:15] <BluesKaj> Muon is very flaky , BrickRisk, practically broken IMO
[18:15] <BrickRisk> But my wife likes the point and click of XBMC
[18:16] <BrickRisk> I have the Apple TV doing xbmc in the living room trying to setup the laptop for in the bedroom
[18:16] <BluesKaj> really , BrickRisk all those menus ?
[18:16]  * BluesKaj nods
[18:16] <BrickRisk> BluesKaj: Well its organized she can search by genre and all that
[18:18] <BluesKaj> I setup VLC to open DD and DTS videos by file ext , same goes for dragon layer , wife just neds to got o videos click on what she wants
[18:18] <viKtor_> BluesKaj: last thing, is it possible to use external subtittles in a video playing in dragon player?
[18:18] <BluesKaj> external subtitles ?
[18:18] <BrickRisk> Yeah that's not bad
[18:19] <viKtor_> like not incrusted in a movie
[18:19] <viKtor_> two different files one for movie and other for sub
[18:19] <BrickRisk> incrusted heh
[18:19] <BluesKaj> viKtor_,  no idea
[18:20] <BrickRisk> I would just use VLC viKtor_
[18:20] <viKtor_> yeah i tried right now and it just works fine with vlc
[18:20] <viKtor_> ^^
[18:20] <viKtor_> thanks!
[18:21] <BluesKaj> check vlc>tools>preferences>subtitles and OSD , viKtor_
[18:22] <viKtor_> yeah yeah in vlc it's still easier, you take your sub file and drag it into vlc window ^^
[18:23] <BrickRisk> I love yakuake should be standard on Kubuntu
[18:25] <BluesKaj> viKtor_,  ok , I only needed to do that once ," the girl with the dragon tatoo" ..it was in swedish (which i still undestand a bit of ) but the subtitles had to be added and it worked fine... it had some unnessary explicit sexual content IMO
[18:26] <BluesKaj> er unecessary
[18:26] <viKtor_> you should watch "Grimm love" haha that's what i'm trying to see with spanish subtittles cause my boyfriend doesn't speak english at all
[18:27] <viKtor_> and with the shit of megaupload now... i can't find movies in spanish... so for torrents only VOS with sub
[18:27] <BluesKaj> never used mega
[18:28] <BluesKaj> bitsnoop ftw
[18:28] <viKtor_> i always use/used it  :( so i feel really R.I.P. now :(
[18:29] <viKtor_> i gotta go
[18:29] <viKtor_> BluesKaj: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4391704ç
[18:29] <viKtor_> BluesKaj: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4391704
[18:29] <viKtor_> sorry, the second one
[18:30] <viKtor_> bye!
[18:36] <dies_irae> that's one sick movie :/
[18:36] <BluesKaj> which movie?
[18:36] <dies_irae> I wouldn't wanna be anywhere near viKtor_'s sick mind.
[18:37] <BluesKaj> didn't bother
[18:37] <dies_irae> BluesKaj: the link he posted.
[18:37] <dies_irae> I just checked the link.
[18:37] <BluesKaj> yeah i didn't DL it ...too old for that crap
[18:39] <dies_irae> rr.. that's not comforting either, do you mean if you were younger you'd be into that??
[18:53] <Steve132> hey BluesKaj:  I just checked, and I do have the partner repositories enabled
[18:53] <Steve132> and I don't have kdevelop-custom-buildsystem
[18:54] <Steve132> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=kdevelop&searchon=names&suite=oneiric&section=all
[18:55] <Steve132> I didsearch it and it looks like its in precise pangolin
[18:55] <dies_irae> so, what about my earlier question about middle click URL not working in firefox?
[19:01] <BluesKaj> Steve132, ok that explains it , I'm on precise 12.04 and kde 4.8
[19:02] <DaskreecH> \o/
[19:02] <DaskreecH> KDE 4.9 ftl
[19:03] <BluesKaj> hey DaskreecH , 4,8 is edgy enuff :)
[19:04] <Tm_T> there's no 4.9 /:
[19:04] <BluesKaj> yeah
[19:05] <BluesKaj> I'm sure there is , it's just not available to us
[19:05] <Tm_T> there's no 4.9 /:
[19:10] <Steve132> BluesKaj:  I can't even seem to find the source code to the qtdesigner plugin
[19:11] <BluesKaj> interesting stuff here , http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAxOTE
[19:11] <Steve132> How do I dl or checkout the source?
[19:11] <BluesKaj> Steve132,  try asking in #kubuntu-devel , the guys there are really helpful
[19:12] <DaskreecH> hi BluesKaj :)
[19:12] <DaskreecH> Tm_T: y no foo point nein?
[19:13] <Tm_T> DaskreecH: same in english?
[19:14] <DaskreecH> Tm_T: Why is there no 4.9 ?
[19:14] <WhitePelican> I'm running xubuntu under lucid, how do I get the latest version of kde?
[19:14] <Tm_T> there's no 4.9 yet
[19:14] <WhitePelican> 4.8 just came out
[19:14] <DaskreecH> Sure there is
[19:15] <DaskreecH> Just not released for whiny people :)
[19:15] <iocarmine> !hello
[19:15] <DaskreecH> !hi
[19:15] <Tm_T> DaskreecH: ok, where then? don't say "git master" as it's not any version
[19:15] <DaskreecH> Tm_T: It's 4.9 :)
[19:15] <Tm_T> as you say
[19:15] <DaskreecH> or 4.8.60 if you want to be technical
[19:15] <DaskreecH> but considered to be 4.9
[19:16] <DaskreecH> same as KDE 4.8 RC has a 4.7 version number but no one calls it that advanced 4.7 release
[19:16] <Tm_T> as you wish (:
[19:18] <DaskreecH> Granted if you were in here complaining to people trying out KDE 4.8 Beta that it wasn't KDE 4.8 then sure I'll agree by that definition there is no KDE 4.9
[19:19] <Tm_T> DaskreecH: let's return to this discussion when there's 4.9 beta
[19:19] <DaskreecH> But as soon as the beta's branch off the master gets earmarked as KDE 4.9 as can pretty eaily be seen from the planet blogs :)
[19:19] <WhitePelican> ok folks, enough with the semantics, I asked a question and would like some help
[19:20] <Tm_T> WhitePelican: sorry, see the instructions at http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.8.0
[19:20] <Kimlaroux> WhitePelican, what version of ubuntu are you running?
[19:20] <WhitePelican> lucid
[19:21] <DaskreecH> I didn't see the question. What is the inquiry?
[19:21] <Tm_T> WhitePelican: ah, I see, see the most recent update here that mentions lucid: http://www.kubuntu.org/news
[19:22] <Kimlaroux> lucid, that's 10.04 right?
[19:23] <Tm_T> yes
[19:23] <WhitePelican> yes
[19:23] <Kimlaroux> from my knowledge, the best way to get the latest version of kde is to upgrade to 11.10
[19:24] <DaskreecH> In general it's put on Kubuntu+1 and current Kubuntu in a PPA
[19:24] <IppatsuMan> Hi all. I'd like to update KDE to version 4.8 using the backports ppa. But when I try to upgrade (via aptitude dist-upgrade) aptitude says that there is a package conflict (kdepim-groupware, libplasmaclock4abi2, libtaskmanager4abi2) and proposes to remove about a hundred of packages. Full output here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/820341/ . Any suggestion on how to fix it?
[19:24] <DaskreecH> if it's one removed from a LTS and there are security updates the LTS will get it pushed as default but after a few months
[19:25] <WhitePelican> Tm_T, there is no mention of "lucid" or 10.04 on that page
[19:25] <Tm_T> IppatsuMan: it should remove those three packages instead
[19:25] <DaskreecH> Other than that if someone doesn't package it for older versions then it doesn't get done
[19:25] <Kimlaroux> I'm on Lucid and I'm running kde 4.4.5
[19:25] <Tm_T> IppatsuMan: one moment
[19:25] <IppatsuMan> Tm_Tr: sure, thanks
[19:26] <IppatsuMan> Tm_T: sure, thanks (typo)
[19:26] <WhitePelican> Kimlaroux, 11.10 does NOT work all that well for me.
[19:26] <Kimlaroux> me neither, that's why I'm still on 10.04 =P
[19:26] <Tm_T> IppatsuMan: try apt-get dist-upgrade instead
[19:27] <DaskreecH> IppatsuMan: What version of Kubuntu are you using?
[19:27] <IppatsuMan> DaskreecH: 11.10
[19:27] <DaskreecH> BluesKaj: this is the busiest I've seen the place in a while. Though I guess it's a "new release" time period
[19:28] <IppatsuMan> Tm_T: http://paste.ubuntu.com/820429/ , apt-get actually removes these packages
[19:29] <Tm_T> IppatsuMan: so it did it right, nice
[19:29] <BarkingFish> Anyone got any experience yet with the 16 series kernel?
[19:30] <BarkingFish> Does it work properly, any issues, drama, etc?
[19:30] <IppatsuMan> Tm_T: it was apt-get -s, but it seems right to me. Thanks for the hint, I'll try upgrading now.
[19:31] <DaskreecH> BarkingFish: Which kernel version is  that?
[19:31] <BarkingFish> the one with the 16 at the end, not the 15, DaskreecH :P
[19:33] <BarkingFish> well, I'm about to find out. It's just installed during my update, so a quick reboot will tell me.
[19:34] <DaskreecH> Ah was thinking 3.16.0
[19:36] <jmichaelx> so, kde 4.8... i cannot get the display settings to save. every time the machine is rebooted, it forgets its display settings, and looks ridiculous. anyone else running into this?
[19:36] <Tm_T> jmichaelx: yes, unfortunately
[19:37] <jmichaelx> oh well, that sort of thing doesn't matter. what REALLY matters is nepomuk, akonaki, virtuoso, etc
[19:38] <jmichaelx> akonadi*
[19:38] <vandenoever> jmichaelx: a stored setting for that would be nice, even a list of recognized setups and remembered configurations for them would be nice
[19:39] <Tm_T> jmichaelx: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=183143
[19:39] <Tm_T> vandenoever: it's a bug that has reappeared
[19:39] <jmichaelx> vandenoever: i had this problem earlier on in 4.7, then somewhere along the line my settings finally saved.... yea, it has reappeared
[19:40] <jmichaelx> 4.7 was an embarassment to KDE, and i wonder if 4.8 will be better in any way
[19:42] <jmichaelx> i notice that the pop-up calendar is at least readable now, after having been useless through the entire lifespan of 4.7
[19:42] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx,  4.8 is ok here now , tho there was a python bug that's been fixed , "but your experince may be different" :)
[19:42] <argoblast> maybe not a kde problem, but a kubuntu problem?
[19:43] <DaskreecH> argoblast: probably not if it's listed on the b.k.o
[19:43] <DaskreecH> If it's a kubuntu problem the bug would be closed with Kubuntu GYKT
[19:44] <jmichaelx> argoblast: it's a KDE problem... i use kubuntu, fedora and gentoo, all with KDE, and the same bugs are pretty much equally available across each of these machines
[19:45] <DaskreecH> also part of the reason I try to verify bugs against other distros before filing a comprehensive bug
[19:45] <em> Could I take .debs I like from
[19:45] <DaskreecH> debiie?
[19:45] <jmichaelx> i actually think the kubuntu team has been doing very well, given what they have to work with
[19:46] <jmichaelx> KDE, on the other hand, is in perpetual slappy mode
[19:46] <jmichaelx> sloppy*
[19:46] <Tm_T> jmichaelx: it's not that, unfortunately
[19:46] <em> Could I ake .deb files I like from /var/cache/apt/archives and then install a fresh installation and put those back into /var/cache/apt/archives to have them install without a network connection?
[19:47] <DaskreecH> Apparently it was fedora that patched the bug the last time it was resolved. Perhaps link with them to see if it can be improved?
[19:47] <Tm_T> em: you don't have to put them back to /var/cache/apt/archives, you can install them from anywhere
[19:47] <DaskreecH> em: yes
[19:47] <em> Tm_T: with dpkg -i ?
[19:47] <DaskreecH> em: that would work as well
[19:47] <em> Tm_T: does it matter to apt if you use dpkg -i or apt-get install?
[19:48] <DaskreecH> em: apt-get calls dpkg -i
[19:48] <em> yeah but when you use dpkg -i on a .deb are you going to get all the benefits of updates and stuff?
[19:48] <DaskreecH> em: Yes it's written into the same database since dpkg -i is doing all the install work and maintainence
[19:48] <DaskreecH> you can look at apt-get as the network layer and then dpkg as the package layer
[19:49] <em> DaskreecH: Then why do we always use apt-get install (or aptitude install) rather than just dpkg -i ?
[19:49] <jmichaelx> Tm_T: i'm sure my previous statement doesn't really accurately describe what the problem is, but i do not get things like the pop-up calendar. i mean, good grief. throughout 4.7 is looked like garbage, the fonts were illegible, the settings did not work... why in the world was it even included, and after it was included, why was it never fixed?
[19:49] <DaskreecH> apt-get asks dpkg what's installed then checks on the network for any updates then drops them in /var/cache/apt/archives and asks dpkg to install them
[19:49] <Tm_T> jmichaelx: the fact it doesn't work for you doesn't mean it doesn't work for developers
[19:50] <em> DaskreecH: yeah so say i do dpkg -i tsocksxxx.deb    it installs on my new machine. Later I get network access on it, when I do apt-get update will the tsocksxxx.deb get updates too?
[19:50] <jmichaelx> Tm_T: it does not work for developers, or for anyone else
[19:50] <em> or just stuff i installed with apt-get install?
[19:50] <DaskreecH> jmichaelx: I actually had much better fonts in KDE 4.7
[19:50] <Tm_T> em: ofcourse they all get the same
[19:50] <Tm_T> jmichaelx: you sure?
[19:50] <DaskreecH> em: yes because all >actual< installations are done by dpkg. But Apt-get just checks to see if there are updates
[19:51] <jmichaelx> DaskreecH: i am only referring to the pop-up calendar, right now... otherwise fonts were fine
[19:51] <em> Tm_T: then it seems to me that even if I install a .deb from a third party site, manually, it can get updated by apt-get as long as its in the repos.
[19:51] <DaskreecH> em: correct
[19:51] <Tm_T> em: yes
[19:51] <jmichaelx> Tm_T: of course i can't speak for everyone, but i do know that devs were aware of the problem.
[19:51] <em> do you guys prefer apt-get or aptitude or no preference?
[19:51] <DaskreecH> jmichaelx: why just the calendar did it have it's own methods for displaying?
[19:52] <DaskreecH> em: Whatever gets me Frozen Bubble
[19:52] <em> actually I think kubuntu has adept?
[19:52] <jmichaelx> DaskreecH: beats me. i just know that on the 3 distros i used, it looked like crap, and attempts at somehow changing that did not work well for me
[19:52] <DaskreecH> em: kpackagekit or muon depending on which version you have
[19:52] <jmichaelx> frozen bubble, ftw
[19:52] <DaskreecH> jmichaelx: ah. was there a bug for that?
[19:53] <jmichaelx> DaskreecH: there is a bug for how crappy the calendar looks, yes
[19:53] <Tm_T> em: asking "what's your favourite" isn't the purpose of this channel /:
[19:53] <BluesKaj> em  , aptitude used to be the better choice , but lately apt=get has surpassed aptitudes capabilities , at least in my experience
[19:53] <BluesKaj> err apt-get
[19:54] <DaskreecH> Aptitude has some better logistics for handling conflicts but apt-et has more features so which ever solves your current problem you can use
[19:54] <DaskreecH> they all use dpkg to actually install and remove so jumping between them doesn't hurt the system
[19:54] <DaskreecH> Ah UNIX mindset how easy you make life
[19:55] <DaskreecH> Fun to see  Microsoft rewriting Windows to be UNIX
[19:55] <BluesKaj> aptitude used to dependencies more accurately ,  afew OSs ago
[19:55] <BluesKaj> handle
[19:56] <jmichaelx> seems like aptitude was less likely to pull in unnecessary dependencies, at leat a while back
[19:57] <DaskreecH> probbaly just didn't have install recommends by default as per Ubuntu Policy
[19:57] <DaskreecH> Though  that is conjecture on my part
[19:57] <BluesKaj> DaskreecH,  Microsoft rewriting Windows to be UNIX?
[19:58] <DaskreecH> BluesKaj: Look at the security model for Vista and the hybrid model of Windows Phone 7/Windows 8
[19:59] <DaskreecH> Sounds a lot like UNIX security model and having shared programs with one doing a job well and the others relying on it
[19:59] <jmichaelx> DaskreecH: yea, i think you're right. i should have said suggested packages, rather than dependencies
[20:00] <desade> anyone feeling up to answering a dd question?
[20:00] <DaskreecH> jmichaelx: I think uner debian they still are dependencies. Just considered a lower priority. If not installed the program will lose some capabilties but still offer it's core function
[20:01] <DaskreecH> desade: depends on the question
[20:01] <jmichaelx> DaskreecH: ok, i would not have been aware of that
[20:01] <desade> heh, fair enough ;)  I'm trying to do an image backup/restore of a hard drive with it
[20:01] <BluesKaj> heh , W7 on wifes pc sees my linux boxes in it's networking panel ,but ai haven't bothered trying to work on it to access the linux machines
[20:02] <desade> I used straight disk-to-disk: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb    from a 100GB HD to a 120GB HD and it worked great
[20:02] <desade> partition table, MBR, everything cloned right
[20:02] <BluesKaj> no need anyway , i can access her pc just fine
[20:02] <DaskreecH> Samba :)
[20:03] <desade> but then I realized I'd rather do it to an image:  dd if=/dev/sda of=/mnt/drive/100gb.img
[20:03] <BluesKaj> smb
[20:03] <BluesKaj> yeah , i guess samba
[20:04] <desade> when I tested it by restoring to the 120GB HD ( dd if=/mnt/drive/100gb.img of=/dev/sdb ), it appeared to work, but the partition table was all screwed up.
[20:04] <desade> any idea why it worked disk-to-disk but not disk-to-image-to-disk?
[20:08] <DaskreecH> not sure. preexisting partition data?
[20:08] <BrickRisk> desade: drive wasn't mounted was it?
[20:08] <desade> BrickRisk: nope, not mounted
[20:09] <BluesKaj> Steve132,  you around ?
[20:09] <BrickRisk> hmm, so it writes the img but will not write it back?
[20:09] <desade> DaskreecH: the 120gb target was also the target of the earlier disk-to-disk, so to make sure I wasn't seeing leftovers I killed its partitions, re-made them, and did a mkfs -t msdos for good measure
[20:10] <DaskreecH> desade: just to be clear this is three disks we are talking about right?
[20:10] <desade> BrickRisk: yeah, and it seems to do the writing, but the result isn't bootable and doesn't have a valid partition
[20:11] <desade> DaskreecH: yes, sorry -- image file stored on a 3rd disk
[20:11] <DaskreecH> desade: to be fair I normally simply dd to an image then mount the image and copy back files I care about
[20:12] <BrickRisk> I would mount the img to check it at least
[20:12] <DaskreecH> but ##linux might have more information for you
[20:12] <desade> DaskreecH: yeah, this is a particular goal: perfect backup of primary system drive for bare-metal recovery
[20:13] <desade> ok I can try that channel, thanks
[20:13] <BrickRisk> could use partimage software
[20:13] <desade> and mounting the img is a good idea, didn't think of that... just do a fsck on the mount point to check it? or something specific?
[20:13] <BrickRisk> take the guess work out
[20:14] <desade> maybe that's a good plan, too... luckily I haven't wiped the source disk yet
[20:14] <DaskreecH> BrickRisk: but ... learning! It's a great thing :)
[20:14] <BrickRisk> desade: use partimage it uses dd I style or can dump to a tar.gz and saves boot and partition info
[20:15] <BrickRisk> can restore to larger disks also
[20:15] <BrickRisk> ahh why take the time when partimage did for you :)
[20:16] <desade> ok, thanks for the advice, guys ... I'll take a look at all the above and see how it goes
[20:16] <BrickRisk> then report back...with a 1-2 page essay on your results
[20:16] <desade> right now waiting for dd to finish again to see if maybe something just went haywire the first time
[20:16] <desade> heh careful what you wish for
[20:17] <BrickRisk> did you set a blocksize for dd?
[20:17] <desade> no, figured I would do more harm than good if I tried
[20:18] <BrickRisk> shouldn't just speeds things up bs=4M
[20:19] <bobybibbob> ola?
[20:19] <desade> ok if I end up doing the disk-to-image step again, I'll use that flag
[20:19] <BrickRisk> I would goto partimage personally...are you sure the source is not damaged?
[20:20] <desade> heck I hope not... it's my Ubuntu install
[20:20] <DaskreecH> BrickRisk: seems to work if done directly disk-to-disk if desade's testing is correct
[20:20] <BrickRisk> ohh thats right i forgot
[20:20] <desade> was just typing that... ;)
[20:21] <BrickRisk> anyways after that maybe fails try sysrescuecd it has partimage on it, you can dump the images to an external drive or what have you and then restore
[20:23] <mellin> Hey all. I have a small issue I need help in resolving. When I close my laptop lid, or the screen times out. When I log back in my internet connection does not reconnect. I have to open the tray applet and tell it to reconnect to the wireless network. How can I make it automatically connect?
[20:24] <DaskreecH> mellin: what version of NetworkManager are you using? I think that was a bug that was resolved
[20:24] <mellin> DaskreecH: Not sure
[20:25] <BrickRisk> I have to do the same thing, although I think usually its because of kwallet or whatever
[20:25] <desade> I can't talk on the ##linux channel for some reason
[20:26] <DaskreecH> desade: try registering
[20:26] <mellin> BrickRisk: Not in my case. That is only if I need to restart(even though that is almost never) Even then though after kwallet it still doesn't do the auto connect like I have it set to do.
[20:26] <BluesKaj> kwallet a pita app poorly implemented , maybe I'm just thick headed , but i don't see the point of how ir
[20:26] <BluesKaj> it's supposed to work
[20:26] <BrickRisk> Yeah same here it is kind of annoying...Im on a fresh install of Kubuntu 11.10
[20:27] <jmichaelx> hmm, new amarok seeming pretty broken
[20:28] <DaskreecH> BluesKaj: You put in one password that holds multiple passwords
[20:28] <vandenoever> would be fun to have software with way less functions but all guaranteed/proven to work
[20:28] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx,  yeah , it's not working very well here either , totally disappeared after I installed  kde 4,8
[20:29] <BrickRisk> Im researching mellin but so far nothing good
[20:29] <DaskreecH> desade: registered?
[20:29] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i have also had to switch away from the xine phonon backend of late to get it to work
[20:29] <BluesKaj> DaskreecH,  yeah , i get that part,  but why bother
[20:30] <DaskreecH> vandenoever: Dragon?
[20:30] <DaskreecH> BluesKaj: cause you don't want to remember 60 different passwords
[20:30] <desade_mm> think so... let me try joining again
[20:30] <mellin> BrickRisk: Kewl appreciate it...I'm trying to figure out what version I have...it looks to be a kde control module app
[20:30] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx,  yeah , xine is no longer default , gstreamer is
[20:30] <DaskreecH> Same reason the browser offers to rememer passwords for your websites
[20:31] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i have been using vlc backend, as i've historically hated gstreamer
[20:31] <BluesKaj> DaskreecH,  60 diff pwds ? heh I don't think so !
[20:31] <jmichaelx> seems to be working well
[20:31] <BrickRisk> ahh i found the answer maybe mellin
[20:31] <mellin> BriskRisk: Ok...
[20:31] <BrickRisk> click the network manager then select manage connection
[20:31] <desade_mm> nope, no joy... I'll try the ideas you gave here and see where I get
[20:31] <mellin> Ok
[20:31] <BrickRisk> click the connection you want to auto connect and select edit
[20:32] <BrickRisk> at the top select connect automatically
[20:32] <DaskreecH> BluesKaj: as with all else if you don't have any use for it feel free to not use it
[20:32] <vandenoever> DaskreecH: what about Dragon?
[20:32] <DaskreecH> vandenoever: less features. basically works
[20:32] <mellin> BrickRisk: Alas I already had done that..
[20:32] <BrickRisk> ahh shite
[20:33] <vandenoever> DaskreecH: yes, but not proven to work, it's still dependent on a complicated buggy stack
[20:33] <DaskreecH> ah I guess alsaplay then :)
[20:33] <BluesKaj> DaskreecH,  it doesn't ask me to save any pwds , only once with chromium after I installed it
[20:33] <vandenoever> DaskreecH: not event that is proven
[20:34] <DaskreecH> vandenoever: birds outside the window then :) they don't even have script plugins just /dev/random cron jobs
[20:34] <BrickRisk> i wonder if your wireless card shuts off when you close the lid like a soft shutdown you could check it with rfkill
[20:36] <BrickRisk> if its not coming back up when the lid is opened that is
[20:36] <mellin> BrickRisk: I noticed below automatically connect was checked. When unchecked I can select advanced permissions. I added my username to the list of users that can connect. Maybe that will correct the issue. I'll be back if I get the NIC turned off
[20:36] <BrickRisk> worth a shot
[20:38] <BluesKaj> I'm still trying to figure out why vlc player audio times out after 5 mins or so on avi files with 2ch pcm stereo audio stream , but doesn't on 5.1 DD or DTS audio..otherwise it would be the exclusive video player on my setup.
[20:39] <SIQKO> microphone is not working
[20:39] <jmichaelx> ok, usinjg vlc phonon backend, and resizing panels, amarok 2.5 is now working for me
[20:40] <SIQKO> i tried with another os it's not the probl a the microph.
[20:40] <SIQKO> so what it might be
[20:41] <SIQKO> i am trying to have a conversation via skype and such but microphone is not functioning
[20:41] <SIQKO> what might be the problem any suggestions plz
[20:42] <BluesKaj> SIQKO,  have you checked alsamixer and pulseaudio settings
[20:43] <DaskreecH> SIQKO: I've found if you have pulseaudio going into Phonon and switching from the card to internal audio makes the Mic flip on
[20:44] <SIQKO> well i didnt cause  , alsamixer it's not installed
[20:44] <BluesKaj> type alsmixer in the terminal
[20:44] <BluesKaj> alsamixer
[20:44] <SIQKO> kde has it's own
[20:44] <SIQKO> Kmix
[20:45] <BluesKaj> kmix is alsamixer gui
[20:45] <SIQKO> yeah
[20:46] <SIQKO> thanks but  already installed
[20:47] <SIQKO> and kmix is gui
[20:47] <BluesKaj> SIQKO,  alsamixer shows more options
[20:47] <SIQKO> ok
[20:50] <SIQKO> well dud e same as kmix , same options
[20:51] <BrickRisk> SIQKO: Is it selected for the input device
[20:52] <SIQKO> anything else that ma ycause this to happen
[20:52] <BluesKaj> not om mine
[20:52] <BluesKaj> ion
[20:52] <SIQKO> yeah i think so , let me check
[21:00] <fanti> hi! doesn't "modconf" exist any longer in recent ubuntu version?
[21:02] <desade_mm> BrickRisk: just an update, the 2nd dd restore didn't work either, but the image looks fine (e2fsck -vf /mnt/drive/100gb.img)
[21:05] <desade_mm> partimage is a no-go because this filesystem is ext4
[21:06] <BrickRisk> ok try clonezilla
[21:07] <BrickRisk> supports ext4
[21:07] <desade_mm> yeah, should work, looks like
[21:08] <desade_mm> kinda wanted good old dd to do it for me, but the point is to get it done, not score a win for dd
[21:09] <BrickRisk> your dumping the image directly to the drive like /dev/sda not /dev/sda1?
[21:09] <desade_mm> correct
[21:10] <BrickRisk> ok try running gparted on the drive and see what it says about the partitions
[21:10] <desade_mm> the source drive?
[21:11] <BrickRisk> no the receiving drive
[21:11] <BrickRisk> you can not mount the drive you dumped to right>
[21:11] <BrickRisk> ?
[21:11] <desade_mm> fdisk -l ok? don't have a gui and I'm running from a usb live drive with no network
[21:12] <desade_mm> and correct, cannot mount it - doesn't even think it has a sda1
[21:12] <BrickRisk> so its striclty the partition information that is being lost
[21:12] <desade_mm> I assume so...
[21:13] <desade_mm> if I manage to get the partition behaving, I'll know more about the data
[21:15] <BrickRisk> ok I think there is extra steps you have to take when using dd to store and restore the partition and mbr
[21:15] <DaskreecH> fanti: modconf?
[21:16] <DaskreecH> !register | desade_mm
[21:16] <desade_mm> I'm seeing some stuff about grabbing the first 512 blocks... is that what you're talking about?
[21:16] <SIQKO> BrickRisk , yes it selected as input dvice
[21:17] <desade_mm> I was reading that as well, originally thought that was mbr-only backup, but now I'm not so sure
[21:17] <fanti> DaskreecH: the commandline tool to handle kernel modules?
[21:17] <desade_mm> still don't understand why disk-to-disk worked
[21:18] <DaskreecH> fanti: modprobe ?
[21:18] <BrickRisk> yeah that is strange
[21:18] <BrickRisk> SIQKO: ok and is it selected in the skype configuration the same mic source
[21:19] <BrickRisk> SIQKO: try the test call and see if you can hear yourself
[21:20] <SIQKO> already done , i can hear but .....
[21:20] <BrickRisk> desade_mm: also gparted can be run from cmd line
[21:20] <desade_mm> ok, this is extremely wordy, but it basically says to do exactly what I did:  http://www.backupcentral.com/wiki/index.php/Linux_%26_Windows_Bare_Metal_Recovery#Image_level_or_filesystem_level.3F
[21:21] <desade_mm> (if gparted is installed...)
[21:21] <BrickRisk> oh that's right no internet
[21:21] <BrickRisk> what good is a computer without internet?
[21:21] <BrickRisk> like a cart wihtout  a horse
[21:21] <desade_mm> it says the separate mbr backup/restore is unnecessary, because it's all part of the full drive image
[21:21] <desade_mm> it's like camping
[21:22] <BrickRisk> yeah I read that too...you should be find the way you are doing it
[21:22] <desade_mm> the mbr must have gotten trashed in the img file somehow when I first made it
[21:22] <desade_mm> better re-backup the source, I think
[21:23] <desade_mm> now I'm paranoid about the original... maybe I'll boot it again just to make sure
[21:23] <BrickRisk> Are you just going to a larger drive?
[21:23] <BrickRisk> or is this for backup purposes
[21:24] <desade_mm> backup purposes... doing a big system upgrade (6.04 to current), and I need 100% fallback-ability
[21:24] <BrickRisk> ok
[21:27] <desade_mm> whew, orig still boots like a champ  :D
[21:27] <BrickRisk> couldn't hurt to do dd if=/dev/hda of=/mnt/sda1/backup-hda.mbr count=1 bs=512
[21:27] <BrickRisk> replace dev with yours
[21:27] <desade_mm> yeah, good idea
[21:28] <BrickRisk> then sfdisk -d /dev/hda > /mnt/sda1/backup-hda.sf
[21:29] <BrickRisk> again sub with your info that would be to save partition information
[21:29] <desade_mm> never used sfdisk... is it significantly different from fdisk?
[21:30] <BrickRisk> sfdisk can do more
[21:32] <BrickRisk> desade_mm: since you store the mbr and parition info seperatly you would only have to store the partition like /dev/sda1 to file
[21:33] <BrickRisk> there are more steps involved this way, manually restoring the mbr & then partition info then image
[21:33] <desade_mm> I might try both: mbr+partition, full img
[21:33] <desade_mm> trying to minimize the number of times I have to *not* screw this up ;)
[21:33] <desade_mm> gtg... ty and I'll let you know how it goes
[21:33] <BrickRisk> or clonezilla
[21:33] <BrickRisk> if you can
[21:34] <BrickRisk> FSarchiver also an option
[21:34] <BrickRisk> good luck
[21:35] <BrickRisk> SIQKO: get it working?
[21:35] <SIQKO> nope
[21:35] <salon> yo
[21:35] <BrickRisk> Skype test call all  you hear is the lady and not what you say
[21:35] <salon> !list
[21:35] <salon> xdcc list
[21:35] <salon> !
[21:36] <BrickRisk> Do you have a front panel mic?
[21:36] <SIQKO> i cant understand w!
[21:36] <BrickRisk> usb? etc
[21:36] <BrickRisk> Does you mic plug into the front of your computer or directly into the soundcard
[21:37] <BrickRisk> cause on my desktop I have to select between the front mic and the rear
[21:37] <BrickRisk> sometimes the naming of the devices can be misleading like line-1 line-2
[21:38] <SIQKO> nope
[21:38] <BrickRisk> what soundcard do you have?
[21:38] <SIQKO> directly
[21:39] <BrickRisk> lsmod and private msg me the results
[21:39] <SIQKO> N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller
[21:40] <SIQKO> ok
[21:40] <BrickRisk> also do arecord -l
[21:41] <SIQKO> yes jus t a sec
[21:42] <SIQKO> lsmod : soundcore              12600  1 snd
[21:44] <BrickRisk> tell you what to alsa mixer select f4 and make sure that internal mic or something similar is selected
[21:44] <SIQKO> arecord -l : No protocol specified
[21:44] <SIQKO> xcb_connection_has_error() returned true
[21:44] <SIQKO> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: AD198x Analog [AD198x Analog]
[21:44] <SIQKO>   Subdevices: 0/1
[21:44] <SIQKO>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[21:44] <FloodBotK3> SIQKO: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:44] <BrickRisk> alsamixer
[21:45] <SIQKO> ok sry
[21:46] <BrickRisk> we need to check the capture source and the capture level to make sure that it is set properly
[21:48] <SIQKO> ok so , how do we capture tail -f  , or ....
[21:49] <BrickRisk> no, need lets first check alsamixer
[21:49] <BrickRisk> it may just be that the capture level is set to 0
[21:50] <SIQKO> so first alsamixer  ,just a ssec
[21:51] <SIQKO> yeah i see mic
[21:51] <BarkingFish> Evening guys.  Has anyone here gone up to the 3.0.0-16 kernel yet?
[21:51] <BarkingFish> If you haven't, for the love of mike, don't.
[21:51] <BrickRisk> Make sure you hit f4 for capture
[21:52] <Tm_T> BarkingFish: if there's a bug, please report it
[21:52] <BrickRisk> then turn up the levels on the capture devices
[21:53] <SIQKO> ohh it says that mic is off
[21:53] <BrickRisk> might be the problem
[21:53] <BarkingFish> Tm_T: There is a major bug in it for anyone using ndiswrapper.  It keeps losing connection to the device you're using, and when you try to reactivate it using modprobe, it just panics and dumps you out of the whole setup
[21:54] <SIQKO> cant turn it on
[21:54] <Tm_T> BarkingFish: is it reported?
[21:54] <BarkingFish> I don't know, I don't even know where to report it... to the launchpad, devs, somewhere else...
[21:54] <Tm_T> !bug
[21:55] <Tm_T> BarkingFish: ^
[21:55] <BrickRisk> try highlighting it and pressing spacebar
[21:59] <SIQKO>  done
[22:00] <SIQKO> nothing happend
[22:02] <SIQKO> still not working
[22:02] <BrickRisk> hmm says mic is off tho?
[22:03] <SIQKO> i tried the same in other pc and other os
[22:04] <SIQKO> but is working
[22:04] <SIQKO> but not here in kde
[22:04] <em> So I just installed Kubuntu. It's rather nice looking.
[22:05] <em> I noticed that the start up sound was played a long time after it was all started up. Is that normal?
[22:05] <SIQKO> yes
[22:05] <SIQKO> how long do u mean
[22:05] <SIQKO> like a minute ?
[22:08] <SIQKO> still my mic isn't working in kde but whyyyy?
[22:09] <BrickRisk> SIQKO: try going through this http://alsa.opensrc.org/Record_from_mic
[22:09] <BrickRisk> I would have to see it there are sometimes multiple things that have to be set to get it working depending on your card
[22:10] <BrickRisk> install teamviewer and let me take control of your system
[22:10] <BrickRisk> :)
[22:10] <DaskreecH> em: It's normal for me :)
[22:13] <BrickRisk> alright im out have to finish the oil change on my bike good luck SIQKO
[22:13] <SIQKO> thank you man
[22:15] <SIQKO> ok i've just installed give me your email , i'll send you the ID and pass OK
[22:23] <em> SIQKO: yeah about a minute after it's started then i hear the start up music.
[22:23] <SIQKO> does the system starts properly at least
[22:23] <em> If I install firefox on Kubuntu will it download a bunch of Gnome crap?
[22:23] <em> SIQKO: seems to. Kind of slow but i can live with that if its just once at startup
[22:24] <SIQKO> try to disable the effects
[22:24] <SIQKO> system settings then desktop effects adjust them
[22:24] <almoxarife> em: get chromium, you wont look back
[22:28] <em> almoxarife: Well, I cannot download anything until I can figure out how to set up a SOCKS proxy with rekonq. I can do that in firefox but I don't see how with rekonq yet.
[22:28] <Tm_T> em: it uses your KDE-wide proxy settings
[22:28] <almoxarife> em: like tor?
[22:29] <almoxarife> em: what Tm_T said
[22:29] <em> Tm_T: is there an option for using SOCKS that was created with ssh -D ?
[22:29] <em> I don't have an actual proxy running at home. I just use ssh -D
[22:30] <Tm_T> em: I don't think it cares what kind of socks proxy it is
[22:31] <em> Tm_T: I'll see if I can make it go. That never worked with Gnome for me but maybe this has more clear settings.
[22:33] <almoxarife> gnome is dead
[22:33] <almoxarife> any quassel gurus?
[22:34] <almoxarife> i want the input box to be bigger than it is, like 2-3 lines worth of box size
[22:34] <em> Tm_T: in settings network proxy there is nothing there that says SOCKS that I see.
[22:35] <almoxarife> em: there is in system settings > network
[22:35] <Kwarkje> almoxarife, use shift+enter to separate lines, it will expand automatically
[22:35] <em> almoxarife: Im in system settings network. Where does it say SOCKS?
[22:36] <almoxarife> em: under 'manual'
[22:37] <em> almoxarife: Im in System Settings > Network Settings is that what you are talking about?
[22:37] <almoxarife> Kwarkje: anything to fix it to 2-3 lines worth of box
[22:38] <em> almoxarife: then i click on 'proxy'
[22:38] <RanmaruHibikiya> how can I set the gtk apps language in kubuntu?
[22:38] <almoxarife> Kwarkje: but at thats a good start, thnks
[22:38] <em> almoxarife: then i click on 'manually specify proxy settings'
[22:38] <em> almoxarife: then i click on Setup..
[22:39] <em> almoxarife: I see options there for HTTP, HTTPS, and FTP. Nothing for SOCKS
[22:40] <almoxarife> em: what is below 'ftp'?
[22:41] <almoxarife> RanmaruHibikiya: did you search in 'system settings'?
[22:41] <em> almoxarife: Nothing. It just says "use the same proxy server for all protocols"
[22:41] <Tm_T> RanmaruHibikiya: they should use the same language KDE uses, is it Firefox that is causing you the issue?
[22:41] <em> almoxarife: I don't have a proxy server. I just have my connection at home which I use port fowardting with ssh -D5555 em@my.home.ip.addy
[22:42] <em> right now im chatting because of ssh to my hhome computer and screen with irssi
[22:42] <almoxarife> em: strange, i do see 'socks' below 'ftp'
[22:42] <RanmaruHibikiya> almoxarife: sure, and I can set up style and fonts for gtk apps
[22:42] <em> almoxarife: Im using Kubuntu 11.04 what about you?
[22:43] <almoxarife> em: 11.10
[22:43] <RanmaruHibikiya> Tm_T: KDE is ES_MX, gimp and firefox shows in english
[22:43] <em> almoxarife: So Kubuntu 11.04 did not have support for SOCKS proxy?
[22:43] <almoxarife> em: i doubt that
[22:43] <almoxarife> em: it may not be installed?
[22:44] <em> almoxarife: how could I install it?
[22:44] <Tm_T> RanmaruHibikiya: enter "locale" in Konsole and pastebin the results?
[22:45] <almoxarife> em: are you kidding? you got the ssh to the house blah blah all figured out but you cant figure out out to install apps/dependencies?????
[22:45] <em> almoxarife: yes.
[22:45] <RanmaruHibikiya> Tm_T: LANG=es_MX.UTF-8
[22:45] <RanmaruHibikiya> LANGUAGE=es_MX
[22:45] <RanmaruHibikiya> LC_CTYPE=es_MX.UTF-8
[22:45] <RanmaruHibikiya> LC_NUMERIC="es_MX.UTF-8"
[22:45] <RanmaruHibikiya> LC_TIME="es_MX.UTF-8"
[22:45] <RanmaruHibikiya> LC_COLLATE=es_MX.UTF-8
[22:45] <FloodBotK3> RanmaruHibikiya: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:46] <Tm_T> RanmaruHibikiya: I said pastebin it (:
[22:46] <almoxarife> em: i dont know that you need to install socks dependencies, it was a thing to look at
[22:46] <em> almoxarife: Without the ability to point a web  browser at my SOCKS proxy at port 5555 Im not sure how I am supposed to download anything?
[22:46] <em> I cannot use apt-get until I can get tsocks. Or find some way to set the system to use my proxy
[22:46] <em> I cannot get tsocks until I can download something.
[22:47] <Tm_T> em: I wonder if traditional way works
[22:47] <almoxarife> em: want to explain exactly what kind of setup you have that requires all that overhead?
[22:47] <em> Im surprised that Rekonq does not have a way to use a SOCKS proxy. I thought that was normal.
[22:47] <RanmaruHibikiya> Tm_T: http://paste.ubuntu.com/820635/
[22:49] <em> almoxarife: I brought my desktop to work. here at work there is a firewall or something. On the computers here at work we use a company proxy. When I used Ubuntu (and thus had firefox) I got around that by ssh -D5555 em@my.home.ip.addy and then setting Firefox to use SOCKS at localhost port 5555.
[22:49] <Tm_T> RanmaruHibikiya: hmmm, have you installed language packs for gimp and firefox?
[22:49] <em> So I was using my own IP to surf here at home. That meant I could go to pages that had the debs and just download them that way. To get started.
[22:50] <em> Then I would get tsocks and I could even start using sudo tsocks apt-get install  ...
[22:50] <em> But with Kubuntu it appears there is not support for SOCKS
[22:50] <almoxarife> em: you can ssh into home?
[22:50] <em> Yes I can ssh into my home machine.
[22:51] <almoxarife> em: so you can apt-get?
[22:51] <em> but my home machine is not the same architecutre and it's a much older Ubuntu.
[22:51] <RanmaruHibikiya> Tm_T: no, i seach for them but i can't find them
[22:51] <em> It won't be the same deb.
[22:52] <RanmaruHibikiya> Tm_T: I used Muon for searching
[22:52] <almoxarife> em: why must you call home again?
[22:52] <em> almoxarife: I call home so that I can ssh -D5555 to it.
[22:52] <em> So that I can use my home IP here at work.
[22:53] <em> So I can get around the firewall here at work.
[22:53] <almoxarife> em: ah, i wont get involved in circumventing firewalls with a stranger, talk to IT
[22:53] <em> as it is right now, even though Im connected (obviously) to the internet, if I open a browser it won't work unless I put in the companies proxy (which I don't actually know anyway, but that's the beside the point, I wouldn't want to do it anyway since that sucks)
[22:53] <em> almoxarife: Oh for goodness sakes.
[22:54] <almoxarife> em: yeah, really
[22:54] <RanmaruHibikiya> Tm_T: no, i seach for them but i can't find them
[22:54] <em> I'm not asking how to steal my neighboors WiFi.
[22:54] <RanmaruHibikiya> Tm_T: I used Muon for searching
[22:54] <Tm_T> RanmaruHibikiya: one moment
[22:55] <em> It's okay I don't hold you personally responsible for Kubuntu failure.
[22:55] <almoxarife> em: the failure is yours. with all due respect, ego aside
[22:55] <em> almoxarife: What failure did I make?
[22:56] <Tm_T> almoxarife: em: please stick on the channel topic
[22:56] <almoxarife> Tm_T: agreed
[22:57] <em> Tm_T: That will be best for his sake. I agree.
[22:58] <Tm_T> RanmaruHibikiya: I seem to fail with search too, sorry
[22:58] <RanmaruHibikiya> Tm_T: np, thanks for ur help
[22:58] <Tm_T> time to get some sleep, so good night all
[22:59] <rosco_y> does anyone know how to "select all" in mc?
[22:59] <rosco_y> I did a search for temporary files, and I want to delete them all
[23:00] <RanmaruHibikiya> Tm_T: good night
[23:00] <almoxarife> rosco_y: bleachbit is what i use for cruff
[23:07] <em> Does anyone know why SOCKS would be in System settings > network settings > proxy > Manual   on Kubuntu 11.10 but not on 11.04 ?
[23:22] <poyntz> hi all
[23:22] <poyntz> how can you configure mic volume in kubuntu?
[23:23] <ts2> you should be able to configure that from KMix, it should already be loaded in the system tray as a speaker icon
[23:25] <poyntz> when I click on kmix it doesn't open :S
[23:26] <poyntz> if I try to open it from bash I don't get a dump either
[23:26] <poyntz> aka
[23:26] <poyntz> poyntz@poyntz-compaq-621:~$ kmix
[23:26] <poyntz> poyntz@poyntz-compaq-621:~$
[23:27] <poyntz> if I try to install it using apt-get I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/820678/
[23:29] <ts2> what happens when you right-click the icon?
[23:30] <poyntz> it's open
[23:30] <poyntz> sorry, it isn't opening because it's already open on the tray
[23:30] <ts2> ok
[23:30] <poyntz> that said, i'm still not sure how to use it to adjust my mic volume
[23:30] <ts2> for me, it's under the "Capture Devices" tab
[23:33] <poyntz> having no luck
[23:33] <poyntz> is pulseaudio supposed to be controlling the audio?
[23:33] <poyntz> I installed pavucontrol and it stopped everything working
[23:33] <poyntz> - in terms of audio
[23:34] <poyntz> no sound
[23:34] <poyntz> and can't fix it
[23:34] <poyntz> i'm going to try rebooting
[23:34] <poyntz> brb
[23:58] <soee> hmm after some updates i have only black screen and cursor visible
[23:58] <soee> when i try to start plasma-desktop from terminal i have this error message
[23:59] <soee> plasma-desktop(4269): KUniqueApplication: Cannot find the D-Bus session server: "Unable to autolaunch a dbus-daemon without a $DISPLAY for X11"