[00:19] <kees> hallyn: oh, this is from the multiarchification
[00:19] <kees> hallyn: I'll figure out a fix
[00:20] <kees> hallyn: (912493)
[00:22] <hallyn> kees: thanks
[00:43] <barry> james_w: just saw your message, fantastic!  i'll add that to the blueprint
[17:48] <haraldj> Hello a quick question from a Debian packager: Does Ubuntu maintain any repositories for packages which are synced from Debian - specifically openswan
[18:13] <Ampelbein> haraldj: You can access any package in Ubuntu via bzr: 'bzr branch lp:ubuntu/<packagename>'
[18:17]  * haraldj is back. 
[18:18] <haraldj> Ampelbein: well what does this branch contain?
[18:18] <haraldj> Ampelbein: A source package?
[18:18] <Ampelbein> haraldj: Yes, the complete source package.
[18:20] <haraldj> Ampelbein: is it updated for new security or SRU releases?
[18:22] <Ampelbein> haraldj: No, that's always the current development package, for other versions, use 'lp:ubuntu/<series>/<packagename', where series is for example 'oneiric' or 'oneiric-security' or 'oneiric-updates'.
[18:23] <haraldj> Ampelbein: So there is no need to create seperate Ubuntu Branches in alioth repository for tracking changes in Ubuntu?
[18:26] <Ampelbein> haraldj: I guess it would be nice if the alioth repository has both a Debian and Ubuntu branch to ease working on both packages. The lp-repository is mostly a automatically created/updated repository based on the uploaded packages.
[18:26] <jtaylor> lp has deiban and ubuntu branche
[18:26] <jtaylor> lp:debian/
[18:29] <haraldj> jtaylor: Well but this are imported source package not a normal repository correct?
[18:29] <jtaylor> yes
[18:29] <jtaylor> but you can host your debian pacakge repository on launchpad if you like
[18:30] <jtaylor> probably also get it mirrored from a remote place
[18:30] <unixpro1970> Wondering if someone can recommend a book that demonstrates complete C/C++ code for Message Queues, Async IO, Concurrent Sockets, etc.  I am not talking your typical 1-5 client examples, I am seeking code that handles 10000+ clients, etc.  I am not seeking a framework book like ACE, etc but something like ACE demonstrated without the framework would be ideal.
[18:30] <unixpro1970> Topics like Check Pointing, passing file descriptors between processes, etc.  Trying to avoid re-eventing the wheel.
[18:30] <haraldj> jtaylor: thanks for the idea but we already host this project on alioth
[18:31] <jtaylor> unixpro1970: have a look at zeromq
[18:31] <jtaylor> quite low level, but still very easy to use
[18:31] <jtaylor> the guide also is a quite nice learning source
[18:32] <haraldj> jtaylor: I'm just not sure how to best deal with the Ubuntu packaging - I was thinking of adding branches to alioth to work on the Ubuntu packages
[18:33] <haraldj> jtaylor: For keeping a development history (mainly for the security and sru releases)
[18:33] <jtaylor> haraldj: thats how its usually done
[18:33] <jtaylor> see e.g. http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-cli-apps/packages/banshee.git
[18:33] <jtaylor> if its git branches are easy
[18:35] <haraldj> jtaylor: Ok then I will just make branches trying to keep all the changes to Ubuntu packages in VCS :-)
[18:36] <haraldj> jtaylor: I just did not want to interfere with any Ubuntu internal processes regarding such a procedure
[18:39] <unixpro1970> thanks jtaylor, but zeromq isn't what I am seeking.
[18:39] <jtaylor> not? "Message Queues, Async IO, Concurrent Sockets, etc" is pretty much exactly what zmq is
[18:40] <unixpro1970> Actually something like zeromq without the framework would be great
[18:40] <jtaylor> zeromq has no framework
[18:40] <jtaylor> thats what the zero stands for
[18:40] <jtaylor> zeromq are just sockets
[18:40] <jtaylor> on steroids ;)
[18:41] <unixpro1970> is zeromq in C/C++
[18:41] <unixpro1970> or is it java
[18:41] <jtaylor> it has bindings in every language
[18:41] <jtaylor> or almost
[18:41] <jtaylor> I think the core is c++
[18:41] <jtaylor> or c
[18:42] <unixpro1970> Is it open source?
[18:42] <jtaylor> yes
[18:42] <jtaylor> lgpl
[18:43] <unixpro1970> thanks, looked at the example and assumed it was java based
[18:44] <unixpro1970> actually the more I look at it zeromq seems pretty cool
[18:44] <unixpro1970> how does it compare to ace?
[18:45] <unixpro1970> Ace is a framework, but is zeromq pretty  popular and well supported?
[18:45] <jtaylor> I'm not familiar with ace, but it looks like its higher level
[18:46] <unixpro1970> any commercial books on zeromq?
[18:47] <jtaylor> don't know, but the guide is good
[18:47] <jtaylor> should be around 200 pages
[18:47] <jtaylor> and free
[18:48] <jtaylor> goes into quite good detail on the concepts of designing reliable networks (though its hard for me to judge, I'm not in that field)
[23:16] <mrkennie> I'm looking for a way to get a list of active sessions? I think there was something in gnome 2 using dbus but that has been removed for gnome 3 it seems. Are there other ways to do this?
[23:17] <mrkennie> org.gnome.SessionManager.GetClients I believe it was but no go anymore :(
[23:19] <mrkennie> unless I'm barking up the wrong tree because unity is what's being used anyway. Um.
[23:21] <mrkennie> sorry, going by the silence and having just read the topic, I got the  wrong channel. My bad.
[23:53] <YokoZar> Debian has deprecated defoma, what's the status of defoma in 12.04?