=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [02:02] Hi [09:34] Morning all. [09:43] hello jutnux === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:48] morning all [09:48] Morning AlanBell \o [09:48] hello [10:07] morning [10:10] Hello === andypiper_ is now known as andypiper [10:53] anyone on 12.04 fancy confirming 923021 ? [10:53] Daviey: do you get that on your mbp [10:53] bug 923021 [10:53] Launchpad bug 923021 in gnome-screensaver (Ubuntu) "Screensaver takes a long time to display the password unlock screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923021 [10:54] popey: Oh it shows up in the end? [10:54] yes. takes a while [10:54] * MartijnVdS has rebooted several times because password unlock wouldn't come [10:54] confirmed [10:56] popey: +1'd [10:56] ta [10:59] good morning everyone. [10:59] yes [10:59] morning popey [11:10] morning [11:11] morning jacobw [11:57] !ping [11:57] another contentless ping... sigh... [12:12] tax return done \o/ [12:12] repaymnet due £0.60 [12:12] drinks are on me :) [12:21] a panda cola? [12:32] hah [12:54] * AlanBell is using empathy "people nearby" to debate lunch options with the kids [12:56] :) [13:05] \o/ Avahi [13:06] AlanBell: did you see Evan Dandrea's tweet about irc and jabber [13:06] (Jabber \o/ btw) [13:08] how do I get pulseaudio to see a new sound card? [13:08] get alsa to see it first I guess/ [13:08] ? [13:08] alsa does see it [13:08] pavucontrol is handy [13:09] ah, I need to kill pulse and let it restart [13:09] not exactly seamless... [13:10] popey: I did, I don't understand how jabber relates to IRC though [13:10] I thought it was a person to person protocol [13:11] s/jabber/xmpp/ [13:12] you can have rooms [13:14] I think I set up a server once and had a look at the protocol, can't say I have ever used it with another person [13:15] you can pass arbitary packets of stuff across it, bit like telepathy tubes [13:24] it's called "MUC" - multi user chat [13:24] as defined in XMPP Extension Protocol XEP-0045 [13:26] so my video editing woes continu!! [13:26] interesting, and that has existed for some time [13:27] on ubuntu 10.10 kinda works ok with some problems and ogv is a no go... better to use avi if screen capturing etc.... [13:27] anyone running a jabberd server? I can't be bothered to set one up just to look at it [13:27] and google talk is only in the USA right? [13:27] though i can not get kazam working in ubuntu 10.10 just does not load! [13:28] I have a feeling most jabber users don't approach it by reading the protocol specifications first. I am going about this the wrong way I think. [13:34] ok FFMPEG might be the root problem... [13:34] or unity ... checking now [13:36] 10.10, wow [13:36] is that still supported? [13:36] !10.10 [13:36] Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) was the thirteenth release of Ubuntu. Download http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.10/ - Release Info: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1010 [13:36] doesn't tell me :( [13:37] it doesn't, I thought most of those did [13:38] AlanBell gord can you recommend a good screen capture program that will output to avi as recordmydesktop only does ogv and the file format is rubish not the program its self... [13:38] I think it is supported to 12.10, 2 years [13:39] you can upload .ogv to blip.tv and youtube if youtube is having a good day [13:39] though most of the time you upload for an hour to youtube and get just a green screen [13:40] i want to edit the video cut bits out add titles etc... and i have proved in my mind that ogv is crap! however the videos i have done in avi on windows, when putting them through kdenlive work fine... well on ubuntu 10.10 as i think either ffmpeg or unity is messing up the video out put in the clip monitor in kdenlive on 11.10..... [13:41] hmm, not sure then. I use openshot to edit stuff and it handles ogv fine and can export in various formats [13:45] humm i will have to try that out ... [13:45] seems similar to kdenlive [13:47] my requirments for what i do are just ability to add titles, fade in and out, cut a section of video out and delete that section and out put in 1280x720 600k 15FPS mp4 for youtube etc... if it can do that and is easy to use gr8 [13:47] Neoti: AVI is a file format, not an encoding [13:48] Neoti: you can make .avi files that just cannot sanely be edited [13:48] well over the last week i have had more luck with avi then ogv. [13:49] Neoti: .avi and .ogv makes very little difference [13:49] the codec in use does [13:53] AlanBell: Google talk isnt USA only [13:53] so based on the above unity/ubuntu 11.10 uses a differant or updated codec which is broken! to the codecs used on ubuntu 10.10 ? [13:54] no [13:54] its nothing to do with ubuntu [13:55] applications like openshot benefit from an extra year of development Neoti [13:55] Neoti: read all of the above, and cant actually see what the issue is [13:55] a bit slow, but I'm using jabberd14 to provide an xmpp server (and it sounds like you're confusing google chat with google voice - the later is the telephony 'thing', and is US-only. talk is just IM/xmpp, and is global) [13:55] nothing specific anyway [13:56] shauno: yeah, I am no doubt confused [13:56] I only looked at XMPP 4 years or so ago when looking at Sametime and SIP stuff [13:58] any instructions on trying google talk, all I see on http://www.google.com/talk/ is a browser plugin and an XP client [13:58] I don't use their service; I run my own jabber server, and can talk to people who are using their service, because xmpp 'federates' [13:59] ok [14:00] AlanBell: which client? [14:00] I believe the capabilty is coming to Live (nee msn) soon too. and aol/aim already has it. so eventually we can chat to people cross networks without needing ugly client-side hacks (like having 8 accounts signed into one client) [14:00] http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Talk/thread?tid=423612adbab19852&hl=en AlanBell [14:00] 3rd party clients can access it [14:01] ok from the begining for popey, i recorded a test video on ubuntu 11.10 32bit with unity and all updates as of 11am yesterday, i updated kdenlive so i was using the most up to date copy, and in clip monitor when i view the recorded video i get little grey blocks on the video before rendering and befor adding it to the time lline... if i open the recorded video just in move player it views fine no gray little blocks so [14:01] the problem is pointed at kdenlive, so i thought i would add another clip in avi format from a couple of months ago and see what happend and again i got the same little gray blocks in clip monitor so the problem would seem to be kdenlive... i had an ubuntu 10.10 installation on a machine so i updated kdenlive to latest and added the same videos and no little gray blocks. so the problem now points to kdenlive on unity/u [14:01] buntu 11.10. i do still have some problems with rendering but i think i have found a way to fix them [14:03] Neoti: what video card? [14:03] 04:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G98 [GeForce 8400 GS] (rev a1) [14:03] colour me unsurprised [14:04] also i have tried this in 11.10 on a dell 15r laptop and i get the same results [14:04] i get video corruption when using 3d desktop recording on nvidia [14:04] that has an intel graphics card [14:05] humm...... so if i dont use 3d desktop it should be fine ? humm time to test that out [14:06] i had better success with unit2d and the compositor switched off [14:06] for recording a 3d game specifically [14:11] AlanBell: i use bitlbee connected to google talk for my alan@popey.com address. [14:13] I've never actually tried bitlbee. does moving that kinda thing into your irc client really work out well? [14:17] i dont use it that much tbh [14:17] not many people contact me via IM anymore [14:27] popey i think you might be right about compositing ? i not longer get grey blocks on 11.04 gonna test on my other machine un unity 2d with no composit [14:30] i did have some success with just recording the desktop using an ffmpeg script [14:30] https://launchpad.net/ffscreencast [14:30] which records the audio from the sound card and from a microphone [14:49] popy AlanBell ok after testing im sticking with avi works in kdenlive 10.10 and my videos from now on are going to be in avi not ogv but i need to find a ubuntu screen capture program that will output in avi format [14:49] AlanBell just testing openshot now ... [15:05] ok i have had a quick play and ogv sucks BIG TIME!!!!!!! the videos i made on windows with CamStudio in AVI format work perfectly for editing, the ubuntu recordings with recordmyscreen suck... i can not edit them well some messes up!! [15:06] you know you can convert ogv into another format prior to editing right? [15:06] yes and when i did that it might as well had been a ogv file same thing happend..... [15:06] depends what you convert it to [15:07] also, this is not news ☺ [15:07] ogv to avi with memcoder [15:07] ogv has never been good for video editing [15:07] would be nice to move things over to webm these days also, theora is old [15:07] WHY THE FOOK DO GOOD PROGRAMS LIKE RECORDMYDESKTOP USE IT THEN !!!!! AGH... OGV SUCKS!!! [15:08] because some of us dont actually edit [15:08] it is easy to write to I guess [15:08] at any rate, if you convert it to say mp4 using mencoder - then still have problems. the issue is not with the container or the codec [15:08] but rather, the editor [15:08] ok ok... if you are recording something to just dump on youtube fine its ok... but when you want to edit it and add titles and cut bits out ITS FLIPPIN CRAP!!!! [15:08] +1 [15:08] and you don't have to pay licenses to anyone to create a video in ogv format [15:09] so convert it? [15:10] i would love to see a program like CamStudio be ported to ubuntu and USE AVI!!!! [15:10] CamStudio is awesome... [15:11] it outputs in a good editable format ... IE Kdenlive will edit it... [15:11] my ffmpeg script does ☺ [15:11] as does kazam [15:11] i want recordmydesktop to switch to AVI!!! [15:11] lol :P [15:11] avi is a bad format, everyone is moving away from it [15:11] use h264 in an mkv container and you will have more success IMO [15:12] kazam did not give me the option to save the video after i recorded a 30 sec test clip just loading term typeing ifconfig clear finish video etc [15:12] gord yes h264 and mkv is good... i have had nothing too bad happen when trying to edit that format ... [15:13] Neoti: .ogv/.avi makes no difference [15:13] but camstudio outputs to avi so ... have to use what i got...! lol [15:13] Neoti: it's just a wrapper around the encoding [15:13] like I told you earlier [15:14] Neoti: the problem is you basically don't understand video editing ;-) [15:14] any sort of compressed format that uses keyframes is going to give you problems [15:14] Neoti: i recorded a video 5 mins ago with kazam and it worked fine [15:14] gordonjcp i see your point but after riding my hair out for the last week trying to edit 1 10min video the evidence i have says something else is going on. [15:14] love film send me too many discs these days, keep losing them [15:14] Neoti: okay, what are you shooting on? [15:15] recordmydesktop on a HP DX2400 dual core @ 800x600 @15FPS [15:15] okay [15:15] so what output format is it saving to? [15:16] i have pauses in the video where i clicked pause etc [15:16] ahhh [15:16] ogv [15:16] you pause recordmydesktop? [15:16] yeah, dont do that, thats broken [15:16] yes [15:16] just like in camstudio [15:16] Neoti: yes, but what format? [15:16] gordonjcp: ogv [15:16] rmd only records to ogv [15:17] rmd is barely maintained anymore [15:17] as is xvidcap so i asked for it to be removed from the repo [15:17] we shoudl fix up kazam and get rmd removed too [15:18] popey yes... [15:19] however on my 11.04 it just does not load [15:19] wow [15:19] what is the package name for kazam? [15:19] rmd *really* shows up the graphics corruption bug ;-) [15:19] on 11.10 on my laptop it loads but after recording does not give me options to save [15:19] AlanBell: its nmot in the repo yet [15:20] https://launchpad.net/kazam [15:20] there is a ppa [15:20] and #kazam [15:20] dev is very active [15:20] and is keen to get it in the repo for 12.04 [15:20] afternoon [15:20] hi swat_ [15:21] :-/ [15:21] heh, just an ffmpeg frontend, neat [15:21] yeah [15:21] popey: are you still interested in the lecture idea? [15:21] I was going to use something like rmd or kazam to record a demo video of some of my software [15:21] that's not going to work though [15:21] swat_: remind me when/where? [15:22] should get it moved over to webm [15:22] popey: the where would be crawley/brighton - but the date is up for discussion [15:22] gord: it does already do webm [15:22] popey, am just reading the code, but it looks hard-coded to x264 from here [15:23] wonder if he removed webm then [15:23] you looking at lp:kazam? [15:23] x264 is the one franhoffer want a cut of right? [15:23] i am, it actually looks like the temp file gets saved as x264 then it gets encoded with gstreamer over to whatever you want [15:24] ah [15:24] the temp file needs to be changed to webm or, really, something lossless [15:24] AlanBell, franhoffer and about a million other people [15:24] there is a "consortium" ;) [15:24] file a bug gord ☺ [15:24] gord: a cartel [15:24] the problem is that webm writing isnt anywhere near as performant [15:24] so you get a crappy fps [15:25] I was going to suggest on the mailing list to use a live disk and run 'shred -vn 7' on the disk, but then I read man shred and it says it's not reliable on ex3 (and probably not on ext4 then, either) [15:25] yea huffyuv would make more sense [15:25] now I'm disappointed and baffled [15:25] but huffyuv has colourspace issues [15:25] rgb vs yuv [15:25] avi created by camstudio on ubuntu 11.10 in kdenlive works [15:26] Myrtti: Shred on the entire disk is OK, shredding individual files on a journalled filesystem is difficult [15:26] theres a colourspace conversion, but yuv has enough precision to handle it [15:26] mathematically, rgb -> yuv -> rgb will end up with a different value, but really just because of floating point limitations [15:27] Myrtti: If something overwrites the data in a file the filesystem may just put the new data elsewhere not really overwriting the original sector [15:27] Myrtti: And it'll go through the journal as well [15:27] in gstreamer gord ? [15:28] popey, don't follow, whats it got to do with gstreamer? [15:28] oh, that would make sense, I suspected that could be the case and it was - as I said - baffling [15:28] how else will the conversion happen gord ? [15:29] if kazam wrote temp to huffyuv and you choose to export/save to x264 or webm [15:29] popey, ffmpeg converts the rgb screen capture to huffyuv. gstreamer loads the huffyuv and then just deliverts the video data (doing any conversions it needs, gstreamer handles that fine) to the encoder [15:29] honestly, pretty much every video codec under the sun is in yuv or some variant anyway [15:30] * AlanBell fails to be impressed by kazam results so far [15:30] Kazam. Is that like shazam? [15:38] I'd like to see anyone impressed with any screencasting app on linux, especially on a composited desktop ☹ [15:38] they _all_ suck [15:39] the graphics drivers need fixing! [15:39] popey: Are the gnome-screenshot apps working reliably for you with compositing? [15:39] hopefully it'll see some improvement when they finally take X out back 'n shoot it [15:39] shauno: Doubt it [15:40] i hear the gnome shell screencasting app is good [15:40] not tried it [15:40] popey: The reason I ask about the screenshot is that you'd hope the screencast stuff would use the same mechanisms [15:41] gnome-screenshot works fine [15:41] but it takes one huge framebuffer snapshot, screencasting apps can't have that luxury if they want to be quick [15:41] gord: Sure - but isn't it the same interface? [15:42] no [15:42] ah [15:42] gord: what interface do the screen casters used? [15:42] x11grab [15:43] with kazam do you save the file or send it to openshot? [15:43] but either way that means the graphics card is successfully getting the composited data back for the screenshot [15:43] i always save [15:44] you are assuming that graphics cards are syncronous [15:44] ok, I was sending to openshot and it seemed really low resolution and 8 minutes long for some reason. then the desktop crashed altogether [15:44] they are very very asyncronous, X will return that a geometry on the screen has changed - but the gpu has not drawn it yet [15:45] gord: Ah, and the full screen shot is doing a sync? [15:45] it doesn't matter for a fullscreenshot [15:45] you are just capturing what things are like now [15:45] gord: Yeh true [15:52] turns out kazam is fine, openshot is not best friends with webm right now [15:53] webm doesnt seem mature enough [15:54] its pretty good for what i need it for, basically as a format i can trust youtube won't screw up [15:54] and its better than theora as a "default" for ubuntu, given we can't choose 264 [15:55] yeah [15:56] the thought occurs that it has been far too long since we have had a new season of the IT crowd [15:56] they didnt renew [15:56] iirc [15:59] extended special in 2012 then thats our lot :( === gary is now known as Guest70194 [16:43] BigRedS: hows the speccy? [17:04] * bigcalm awakens [17:06] bigcalm: sleeping away your weekend? [17:07] Pendulum: was at a dinner party until 2am last night. Then had to deliver Hayley to a coach pick-up point for silly o'clock in the morning. Went back to bed :) [17:07] Pendulum: still feel full from last night [17:14] gord / AlanBell did we decide that there is a bug already filed about focus stealing from hud if you press alt to open and alt to close it? [17:21] bug 921249 [17:21] Launchpad bug 921249 in unity "HUD: Using HUD often results in window losing focus" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921249 [17:22] bug 921407 [17:22] Launchpad bug 921407 in unity "application window does not get the focus returned" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921407 [17:22] nice one [17:23] bug 921512 affects the dash as well as the hud [17:23] Launchpad bug 921512 in unity "hud doesn't get dismissed if you click in the other monitor" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921512 [17:24] just notice it more on the hud because with the hud you are still doing stuff in the application on the other monitor, if you bring up the dash you are normally switching tasks [17:33] sup all \o [17:34] o/ HazRPG [17:34] how is the land of the pyramids? [17:35] AlanBell: not too bad :) [17:35] AlanBell: how's things back home? [17:35] afternoonings HazRPG :) [17:36] brobostigon: good afternoon ^_^ [17:37] anyone here had any luck with the Huawei e5830 on ubuntu here? [17:37] doesn't seem to pick it up on 11.10 for some reason correctly :/ [17:38] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1411777 ? [17:38] (in USB mode, not wifi) [17:40] MartijnVdS: I seen that, its an old post that worked on 10.10/10.04... doesn't seem to work at all on 11.10 [17:40] (well lsusb picks it up incorrectly at least) [17:42] MartijnVdS: shows up as being "12d1:142d" when it should be "12d1:1401" if i'm not mistaken [17:42] hey guys, i run the following set up on my computer - hdd's - http://screencast.com/t/FVSbJ2Bp1AE - can someone give me a suggestion on how i can merge G with C? [17:42] I've ran out of space on drive C so need to increase it somehow [17:43] Supermanintights: you appear to be running windows [17:43] HazRPG: maybe you need usb-modeswitch? [17:43] AlanBell, i run windows and ubuntu [17:44] windows is the active OS on that screenshot, but it's just what i'm working in - i can switch to ubuntu in seconds if it's required? [17:44] Supermanintights: well I am not really sure what the question has to do with Ubuntu :) [17:45] I guess ubuntu is the 20gb drive with 4gb of swap right? [17:45] LOL [17:45] s/drive/partition/ [17:45] the platform-agnostic answer is that the partitions labelled there as C: and G: aren't going to be mergable if that's what order they're in on-disk. you need concurrent space for that [17:45] AlanBell, the question is justified as ubtunu guys helped me to arrange the different partitions ;-), yes you're right [17:46] I think windows has something like LVM these days but I don't know what they call it [17:46] Supermanintights: what shauno said... (took the words out of my mouth almost - sorta speak) [17:47] cheers shauno/hazrpg - i'm looking at a way of changing the order now [17:47] last time I used windows, the partitioner was a blue & yellow tool in dos :/ [17:47] so I've no idea what it'll offer to abstract a volume above those two [17:48] Supermanintights: without risking being hit in the face, the only way your going to be able to do that is lose some data to have some space to merge with [17:48] s/without/at the risk/* [17:49] meh [17:49] ok, thanks [17:49] i'll find a way [17:53] Supermanintights: best thing to do, open up the "manage" tool (I forget its actual name in windows, access: right-click "my computer" or "Computer" and pick "Manage") and select the hard drive management one... then screencap that so we can see the order of your drive [17:53] Supermanintights: alternatively, go into ubuntu and check out gparted [17:54] i did try gparted before, but i couldn't figure it out - how to do this task [17:54] http://screencast.com/t/xM4pOm8JKT [17:55] Supermanintights: to merge, your going to have to clear something first, be it the G: drive, etc... but it highly depends on the order your drives are partitioned [17:55] would it be better/easier to go back into gparted? (only reason screenshots are windows is because it's what I'm using at the moment) - hte B/G (same one) drive are empty [17:55] it's basically a partition i'm trying to extend into C - as i don't have the space to install anything else on it anmore [17:55] anymore [17:55] is G empty? [17:56] yeah [17:56] Supermanintights: or buy a new hard disk [17:56] are c and g contiguous? [17:56] * Supermanintights looks up that word [17:56] next to eachotehr [17:57] oh, no [17:57] popey: see his new screen if you can [17:57] which one? [17:57] http://screencast.com/t/xM4pOm8JKT - (G is now B - i tried cheating that way) [17:57] based on that screenshot what do you want to do exactly? [17:57] merge D and G? [17:57] no [17:57] er D and B [17:57] d: is my storage, that's fine [17:58] seems to me, that D and B are logical, so the only merge you can do is D to B... [17:58] C:\ has less than 1gb of free space - that's my windows software partition [17:58] i need to merge B with C [17:58] C needs to be extended [17:58] ok, that can be done, but its long and you could lose data [17:58] but I would do it in gparted [17:58] i'm happy to go to gparted [17:58] delete B, move D up the disk [17:58] give me 2 seconds and i'll boot into it now [17:58] no [17:58] wait [17:59] bah [17:59] bah indeed o.O [17:59] sorry, i was hasty - "delete B, move up the disk" [17:59] ok, what next [18:00] well, first is 'backup' [18:00] popey: is it really possible without him a) losing ubuntu settings/etc, b) losing media and storage, c) losing both data [18:00] yes HazRPG [18:00] i haven't finished [18:00] popey: cool, go ahead :) [18:00] backup - my backup drive is corrupted, so i'll have to take the risk (I'll live if it loses everything) [18:02] ok, so basically the thing you want to do is delete B, shrink the extended partition D lives in, move the extended partition containing D to the right, move the swap partition to the right, move ubuntu partition to the right, expand C into the space made [18:03] ah i get you [18:03] i think [18:04] you can do all that in gparted [18:04] awesome [18:04] just backing up my work files and nzb's onto my mem stick [18:04] then i'll go do it [18:05] if there's anything i dislike doing, it's shopping [18:05] popey: ahh, i see what you did there... [18:11] Has anybody noticed that American TV ad's are actually better than 80% of British TV? [18:12] DJones: no, not particularly [18:12] Just watching some tv via the web which has american tv ad's and they're far funnier & more entertaining [18:14] I don't know [18:14] I find that 99% of american TV programmes seem to be just a stream of dick and fart jokes with a laugh track badly dubbed over [18:14] or crap police procedurals that constantly drop the anvil about the evils of drugs [18:15] I'm just talking about the tv ad breaks, not the programmes themselves [18:16] ah, I don't watch TV with ads in [18:17] I don't really watch a lot of TV, tbh [18:17] DJones: when I was in America everything seemed to be adverts for drugs you should demand from your doctor [18:17] AlanBell: This is mostly cars & IRS tax savings scams [18:18] Apart from the $10 any size, any toppings pizza hit pizza [18:20] Home alone for the weekend. What do I want for tea? [18:20] bigcalm: Pizza or Chilli [18:20] Or chilli beef pizza [18:21] Next! [18:21] Salad? [18:22] Next! [18:22] sushi [18:22] Actually, thinking about it, Salad should be against the COC anyway [18:22] Pendulum: I'd love to, but supermarket sushi is a joke. If I wanted fresh, it would mean a long drive [18:23] o_O [18:23] *make* sushi fresh [18:23] gordonjcp: I'm in the mood for others to make food for me :P [18:26] Pizza, chinese, chips, kebab. Those are the same-old same-old options I can think of [18:29] gnnnnnnnnn [18:29] GPU lockups [18:30] How does one eat a GPU lockup? [18:31] eee - we used ta dreeem o GPU lockups when we were kids! [18:32] eveninks all o/ [18:34] flour tortilla, tomato puree spread on top, some ham, another tortiila on top, more tomato puree, cheese, ham, another tortilla, cheese, slam in oven. add chilli to taste.. [18:47] bigcalm, Hey, around? [18:49] ... [18:49] Oops [18:51] http://www.youtube.com/my_speed is interesting, speed averages as seen by youtube for you, your isp, apparent location, country etc [18:52] interesting stuff [18:55] penguin42: ooh, shiny [18:56] I'm averaging about 7.1Mbps apparently - ADSL sync'd at about 11Mbps [18:56]