[02:33] <morpheuspr> anyone willing to help me. i just did a fresh install on a desktop and i get a "analog out of range error"  doesnt even let me get into the grub or make any changes
[02:33] <holstein> morpheuspr: you have another monitor? or is this a laptop?
[02:34] <holstein> ive never seen that error on a laptop though
[02:34] <morpheuspr> holstein: its on a desktop, tried with two diferent monitors so far
[02:34] <holstein> morpheuspr: i have always been able to fix with another monitor temporarily
[02:34] <holstein> did you get ssh running on it?
[02:35] <morpheuspr> holstein: tried with both crt and lcd monitors
[02:35] <holstein> morpheuspr: well, that has been the issue when i have seen that error.. what was the desktop like live?
[02:35] <morpheuspr> holstein: runnign fine
[02:35] <morpheuspr> *running
[02:35] <morpheuspr> holstein: thats why i was like WTf
[02:35] <holstein> interesting... you could try putting an xorg.conf in place i suppose
[02:36] <morpheuspr> holstein: how i cant even see grub or anything
[02:36] <holstein> sometimes i grab them from knoppix live CD's
[02:36] <holstein> morpheuspr: right.. i suggesting from a live CD, you put a xorg.conf in place that you know (from the live CD) works with all your hardware
[02:38] <morpheuspr> holstein: let me try
[02:40] <morpheuspr> holstein: i dont really see a xorg.conf on the liveCD, i do see one on the main HD
[02:42] <holstein> morpheuspr: right.. thats why i use knoppix live CD typically in that situation.. you can generate one, or google for one, or use something like knoppix or puppy linx
[02:43] <morpheuspr> holstein: couldnt i mount to my main HD from live CD and do a xorg config?
[02:44] <holstein> morpheuspr: do what it takes.. its an experiment at this point that the xorg.conf will work... so dont lose any sleep over it.. im just thinking you can force a resolution that one of your montiors will support, or the graphics card
[02:45] <morpheuspr> but would the GPU driver make a diference at grub but up?
[02:45] <morpheuspr> i understand right b4 starting X but at boot up?
[02:46] <holstein> morpheuspr: sure.. and thats a place where you can force vesa or whatever, but i would expect the same performance as you had on the LIVE CD
[03:01] <morpheuspr> holstein: forcing vesa and see what happens
[03:03] <morpheuspr> holstein: alright i dont get it. nothing happens.  Its right at boot up so i dont understand
[03:03] <holstein> morpheuspr: its going to be more about forcing a resolution that works, not the driver (assuming its what i have run into before)
[03:04] <morpheuspr> holstein: how do i do that if i cant even edit grub cause it doesnt even show up it happens b4
[03:06] <morpheuspr> holstein: its doing a refresh rate of 96HZ.. i dont get it
[03:07] <holstein> morpheuspr: you just add a custom xorg.conf with that informatino in it
[03:07] <holstein> thats why i keep puppy and knoppix around
[03:09] <morpheuspr> holstein: if i get knoppix... what can i do with it ? would i be able to do it with a copy of arch?
[03:10] <holstein> morpheuspr: anything that runs live, or otherwise, and give you both a functional system, and an xorg.conf you can borrow
[03:10] <holstein> i just grab the file right from the live instance.. and it usually sorts out the issue
[03:11] <holstein> anyways... good luck.. gotta run
[03:12] <morpheuspr> ok thanks
[10:28] <g00se> My windows got borked - decoration have disappeared completely. When i open 'Window Manager' to cofig, it's empty. What gives?
[10:34] <g00se> nm - i did xfwm4 --replace and that worked
[10:49] <g00se> Recently had X trouble - window decorations disappeared, etc. But now antialiasing needs to be restored. I've tried to tweak manually but not as good as (default) original. How do i restore defaults?
[10:53] <xubuntu074> hi all
[10:55] <xubuntu074> can someone help me?
[10:55] <xubuntu074> или из русскоговорящих есть тут кто?
[10:57] <g00se> !ru
[11:52] <fclt> gmorning
[11:53] <fclt> what's the alternative to flash plugin?
[12:13] <merpati> hi
[12:13] <merpati> is anyone here ?
[12:15] <merpati> hello ?
[12:16] <merpati> i want to ask something ..
[12:18] <mongy> hello
[12:18] <mongy> fclt, what's wrong with flash ?
[12:38] <knome> mongy, it's propietary technology.
[12:46] <mongy> knome, yeah, but it works, at least for me.  those other free alternatives are plain horrible
[12:47] <knome> mongy, works for me too here and there, but you asked what's wrong with it ;)
[12:47] <mongy> :)
[12:59] <fclt> hello
[12:59] <fclt> installed a package yesterday
[12:59] <fclt> and I was going to try it
[12:59] <fclt> but I can't run it  from the menu entries
[12:59] <fclt> neither from terminal
[12:59] <fclt> can anyone give me a clue on where's the problem?
[13:00] <fclt> thanks :)
[13:01] <mongy> fclt, what package
[13:01] <fclt> pd-extended
[13:01] <fclt> from here
[13:01] <fclt> http://nosoco.notsocomplicated.org/builds/
[13:04] <mongy> what does it do
[13:04] <mongy> having trouble downloading it...
[13:11] <fclt> mongy, it's puredata plus a bunch of libraries
[13:11] <mongy> run it from terminal?
[13:12] <mongy> locate puredata
[13:12] <fclt> mongy, Pd (aka Pure Data) is a real-time graphical programming environment for audio, video, and graphical processing. It is the third major branch of the family of patcher programming languages known as Max (Max/FTS, ISPW Max, Max/MSP, jMax, etc.) originally developed by Miller Puckette and company at IRCAM. The core of Pd is written and maintained by Miller Puckette and includes the work of many developers, making the whole package very much
[13:12] <fclt> a community effort.
[13:12] <fclt> fclt@fclt-lptp:~$ locate puredata
[13:12] <fclt> /usr/share/app-install/desktop/puredata-core:puredata.desktop
[13:12] <fclt> /usr/share/app-install/icons/puredata.png
[13:12] <fclt> fclt@fclt-lptp:~$
[13:12] <fclt> :s
[13:13] <fclt> I guess I removed it
[13:13] <fclt> just a sec.
[13:17] <fclt> mongy, http://pastebin.com/ufVDS2z1
[13:17] <fclt> brb tkx :)
[13:18] <mongy> fclt, 'wish' not installed.
[13:19] <mongy> not sure really.  try an older version, maybe new one is bust
[14:41] <gci81> Hi, I can't find a way to connect to choose the pulseaudio output device with the built-in sound applet. Is there a recommended way/package to do it?
[15:20] <vrtsvetlosti> I have for a year now used Linux and found that xubuntu works best for my netbook and ubuntu for the laptop. Xubuntu I have customized just the way I want it except these things: My fan is working the same pace all the time. An external hard drive never spins down at all, even when unmounted. So basicly this are energy issues and noise. I have tried to mark the "spin down the hard drive" in power manegment options, but it won't w
[15:20] <vrtsvetlosti> ork and the box is unmarked as though I'm not allowed to choose that option.  Any help is thankful =)
[15:22] <alix_> Hello, maybe someone can help me.
[15:22] <alix_> I try to have a dual boot with win7/ubuntu but when I try to boot on win7 i have "Invalide signature". I tryed boot repair but no success.. here is a report http://paste.ubuntu.com/820114/
[15:26] <Myrtti> vrtsvetlosti: you've checked that powerstepping is enabled in your BIOS?
[15:27] <vrtsvetlosti> I'm a begginner still, havn't touched anything called BIOS tey :s
[15:27] <vrtsvetlosti> So i don't know, don't think so.
[15:28] <mongy> vrtsvetlosti, what video adapter do you have?
[15:29] <vrtsvetlosti> Don't know that either, any command line to check?
[15:31] <mongy> lspci | grep VGA
[15:31] <vrtsvetlosti> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller
[15:32] <mongy> ok, nevermind
[15:39] <vrtsvetlosti> just want to spin down the fan, hard drive
[15:39] <vrtsvetlosti> when idle
[15:45] <vrtsvetlosti> In BIOS will the CPUID (something) being enabled make change so hard disk can spin down?
[15:47] <mongy> power management should really handle it all.  le sigh.
[15:48] <vrtsvetlosti> I know, but the box won't be marked, you see when I mark "spin down..." it makes no change, when I enter the power management again it is unmarked. Wierd
[15:49] <vrtsvetlosti> xfce P M
[15:50] <mongy> are you upto date?
[15:51] <vrtsvetlosti> Yes. I have looked around on the internet for clues, also in synaptic for spin downs. But I just can't do it. From my basic knowlegde it seems as some kind of bug. I have a Eee PC asus.
[15:53] <vrtsvetlosti> I have seen some people doing manual things in command and rewriting fan rotation or something. Too advanced for me..
[17:31] <vrtsvetlosti> I asked for help on making the hard drive spin down. Since Power Manager is bugged and wont leave the check box marked for "enable spin down...". I now found laptop tools, from synaptic. By editing /etc/laptop-mode/laptop-mode.conf I will see if there is result. Any other suggestions are welcome.
[17:33] <mrdoctorwho> Hello. Can i ask about xubuntu translations here?
[17:39] <vrtsvetlosti> No, laptop tools was no solution, you can't start up from sleep on battery... bad bad
[17:42] <vrtsvetlosti> =)
[18:19] <crivera> hey guys, how do i but xubuntu without any x server?
[18:19] <crivera> i need to run it in a vim and don't need any desktop env
[18:19] <crivera> s/vim/vm
[18:20] <holstein> crivera: i would just install ubuntu server
[18:20] <holstein> you can just remove the desktop
[18:20] <crivera> hrmm, what's the best of way of toggling between x and no x
[18:20] <holstein> tty's
[18:21] <holstein> the graphical one you are in... thats 7
[18:21] <holstein> SO, to get back to where you are now.. control+alt+7
[18:21] <holstein> to get to another.. control+alt+1 for example
[18:22] <holstein> no reason *not* to just us an emulator... xfce-terminal or whatever
[18:22] <crivera> ah okay
[18:23] <TVasEyes> holstein: from a console, to get back to vt7, alt+f7 will do.   crivera:  when you're on a console, try sudo telinit 3 to switch runlevel (and stop x).
[18:24] <holstein> sure... i suppose thats arguably more clear... to leave the current X session, control+alt+whatever #... 1-6 for example
[18:25] <holstein> if you would like, you can omit the "control" to switch then.. or return to tty7
[18:40] <TVasEyes> holstein: 'arguably more clear' yeah, English isn't my first language and my social skills aren't all too hot either ;).  what I meant is: Alt+Fn is the way to switch tty's, Ctrl+Alt+Fn (as you say) to switch from X.
[18:42] <holstein> TVasEyes: :) ... thanks for clarifying... i like learning new things!
[18:44] <TVasEyes> holstein: Ctrl+Alt+Fn will also work if you run more than one X server concurrently.
[18:50] <ressl> hi, anyone out there, who wants to help me with a problem with WLAN / Network-Manager?
[19:15] <ressl> hm, I hoped, my seach which took days might end here, but obviously it won't. Thanks anyway
[19:16] <knome> !ask | ressl
[19:20] <ressl> OK, then I'll gibe it a try: my system has a working lan connection but no wlan and I'm not able to configure them in the network-manager. It says: Error displaying connection information: No valid active connections found! ifconfig, iwconfig give out everything ok, the settings in /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf semm ok for me, too
[19:21] <knome> you should have "auto" in the config files if you want to let NM control the interface
[19:22] <ressl> so I should change managed=true to managed=auto?
[19:23] <knome> mm, no, in the interfaces file
[19:23] <knome> haven't touched those in a while so i'm not exactly sure what is in which file ;)
[19:25] <ressl> auto eth0 | iface eth0 inet dhcp is in /etc/network/interfaces and I added auto wlan0 | iface wlan0 inet dhcp -> no success
[19:25] <knome> hmmh
[19:26] <syddraf> I'm using XFCE with a Microsoft wireless keyboard and it is not recognizing the special keys, like volume control. Is there a way to fix this?
[19:38] <baizon> syddraf: yes
[20:07] <Shirakawasuna> Using thunderbird and gmail accounts, the 'new mail' indicator often remains on even after I've read all new emails. When I click it, it still indicates '1 unread', etc. Does anyone else have this issue (running oneiric)?
[20:51] <mongy> don't use TB, sorry.   Gmail and mail checker minus extension are all I need.
[21:44] <Shirakawasuna> can you easily handle multiple accounts that way, mongy? I have 3 and get tired of using the 'switch accounts' process just to read a few messages
[21:44] <mongy> let me see if it can.. not that I have more than 1
[21:45] <mongy> there is an option page for adding accounts.
[21:46] <mongy> give it a try
[21:53] <Shirakawasuna> cool
[22:20] <metasansana> whats the default tool for checking log files on xubuntu?
[22:22] <GridCube> metasansana, any text reader?
[22:22] <GridCube> leafpad?
[22:23] <multipass|2> nano?
[22:23] <multipass|2> i just install gedit
[22:24] <metasansana> :/
[22:24] <mongy> leafpad is ok
[22:24] <metasansana> xfce doesn't have a log file viewer equivalent
[22:24] <metasansana> ?
[22:25] <GridCube> i dont know what you mean by log file viewer
[22:25] <GridCube> log files are text files
[22:25] <GridCube> that keep logs
[22:25] <mongy> leafpad, open file, /var/log/take your pick
[22:25] <metasansana> on the gnome desktop you get an app called log file viewer
[22:25] <GridCube> any text file reader will view the logs
[22:25] <GridCube> O_o they do? why for?
[22:25] <metasansana> it helps
[22:26] <jandrusk> Use Vi.
[22:26] <mongy> metasansana, I know what you mean.  a handy shortcut to each log basically.
[22:26] <GridCube> then you probably shouyld install it
[22:26] <metasansana> it refreshes and bolds new entries as they come up
[22:27] <metasansana> I did but I want to cut back on the gnome apps packages I have
[22:27] <GridCube> metasansana, i don't know of any program that do what you just said sorry
[22:27] <mongy> metasansana, tailf /var/log/something.log
[22:28] <GridCube> ^^ that should work
[22:28] <metasansana> lol
[22:28] <mongy> like tail -f but, in tailf
[22:28] <mongy> :)
[22:29] <metasansana> jandrusk can I make vi refresh the file that is open?
[22:29] <metasansana> thanks mongy
[22:29] <mongy> tailf will show you modifications
[22:29] <metasansana> oh ok
[22:30] <mongy> ctrl c to quit
[22:31] <metasansana> well i guess this will do
[22:31] <metasansana> banshee keeps crashing
[22:32] <metasansana> I recently updated the machine
[22:34] <jandrusk> metasansana: Yes, use :set autoread
[22:36] <jandrusk> you would need to use vim and not the default vi.
[22:38] <metasansana> vim isn't really my kind of editor lol
[22:42] <jandrusk> lol
[22:42] <jandrusk> use Emacs
[22:43] <metasansana> kids stuff
[22:44] <metasansana> I use focused energy beams to flip the bits on my hard drive.
[23:21] <blackarchan> how can i make that .php .html .css .xml to be oppened with Geany???
[23:22] <GridCube> right clic > open with > more >remember this application
[23:23] <mongy> metasansana, emacs, really
[23:23] <blackarchan> GridCube: so i need to make this to all extensions for all the programs
[23:23] <GridCube> i will gess so, unless geany has a tool too, or unless you wanna try experimental software from xfce
[23:24] <blackarchan> cant i make a scripts that tels xubuntu what extensions to be oppened with what program and what with what program?
[23:24] <Yomi> If I restore my iPhone…or just backup my music and then put it back on my iPhone using banshee, could it stop the issues I've been having previously? The issues are Duplicated&Reverting Playlists.
[23:25] <GridCube> blackarchan, as said, xfce has an experimental program that do so, but its thinked to work with xfce 4.10
[23:25] <blackarchan> GridCube whats the name of t hat program?
[23:25] <GridCube> wait a second please
[23:26] <blackarchan> Yomi: its possible not to work, because it is is possible that you actualy have duplicated playlists so when you backup you gonna backup the duplicated to
[23:28] <Yomi> Ah. I just don't get why it keeps doing it though, that along with the reverting to the previous songs on the playlist instead of the newer ones.
[23:28] <blackarchan> Yomi: try backup all the data
[23:29] <blackarchan> and maybe give a format:D
[23:30] <GridCube> blackarchan, http://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2012-January/029529.html
[23:31] <Yomi> Well I suppose it can't get any worse. Backup and restoring can't be too much of an issue, especially with an iPhone.
[23:31] <GridCube> dunno
[23:32] <GridCube> never even seen one in real life so :/
[23:32] <blackarchan> Yomi: more bad things cant happen
[23:32] <blackarchan> GridCube: tnx
[23:33] <GridCube> blackarchan, it seems that the MIME type editor has been merged to the xfce4-settings, but i don't know how you can get that to work with the current xubuntu xfce 4.8
[23:34] <GridCube> because its different, the best option you have now its to do it manually
[23:34] <blackarchan> GridCube: i have two options complie the new xfce that has mime editor or install it by myself: http://roscidus.com/desktop/node/136
[23:34] <blackarchan> Link for the actual software
[23:35] <GridCube> else you will have to install experimental software and we can't really help you because you wont be using the oficial stuff.
[23:35] <Yomi> Oh, how can I stop nautilus from launching when I login to xubuntu ? …it starts up and turns the whole screen blue, then I have to kill it using the taskmanager, everytime I log in.
[23:35] <GridCube> blackarchan, if you are willing to take the risk this is it: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/
[23:35] <GridCube> uninstall it Yomi
[23:35] <GridCube> sudo apt-get purge nautilus
[23:36] <blackarchan> GridCube: come onn whats the worst thing that can happen:)) just a reinstal
[23:36] <GridCube> :P
[23:36] <GridCube> well, i don't know im just warning you
[23:37] <blackarchan> tnx for the warning if i install it im gonna give the news from the new version
[23:37] <GridCube> if something does go wrong then you can't come here and say "hey GridCube told me to do this and now x happens" :P
[23:37] <blackarchan> im gonna test it in a virtualbox
[23:37] <GridCube> :) that does sound like a good idea
[23:49] <blackarchan> i heard that thers a way to make some apps(eg. Pidgin/Firefox/) to be uplouded somehow on ram..so that they start and run faster how??and its a good solution?
[23:51] <GridCube> never heard of that, but i would guess that it is, today having 8gb of ram is rather usual so
[23:51] <blackarchan> its somthing like puppy linux if you know
[23:52] <GridCube> !ot | blackarchan, wont you matter to take this to offtopic?
[23:53] <blackarchan> ubottu tnx for the devel chanel:D and sorry for the offtopic
[23:54] <Yomi> I can't remove nautilus though, i need it for the iDevice Commands.