[00:00] <codepal> hrm, won't I have to get it to crash first?
[00:01] <codepal> or does it pull in logs of progs already crashed?
[00:03] <penguin42> codepal: Yes you need to get it to crash first
[00:04] <penguin42> codepal: SO boot the installer and go to Try Ubuntu rather than install, then double click on the install and go through the installer; then when it dies hopefully you can still open a terminal
[00:04] <penguin42> (although I thought there was an easier way - hmm)
[00:06] <codepal> right, thank you!
[00:07] <codepal> is it normal for the installer to take > 1min from "For Best results," > Continue?
[00:14] <penguin42> I can't remember when For Best Results come sup
[00:14] <codepal> First screen after --- What do you want to do? Install / Live
[00:15] <penguin42> hmm I don't think it should take long
[00:16] <codepal> what are the min spec details for precise?
[00:19] <penguin42> not sure - what have you got?
[00:19] <codepal> man, submitting a bug report could be hard if it's gonna take over 20mins to crash :P
[00:19] <codepal> Celeron D341
[00:21] <codepal> Intel® Celeron(R) CPU 2.93GHz  in sysinfo
[00:21] <penguin42> that should be fine - how much ram?
[00:21] <codepal> Mem: 3.9 GiB & running off a DVD
[00:22] <penguin42> oh yeh, no problem
[00:22] <codepal> 32-bit
[00:22] <penguin42> are you sure your DVD burn is good?
[00:22] <codepal> I'll just check checksum
[00:23] <penguin42> I was thinking more about the burn rather than the download
[00:23] <penguin42> it's a lot easier these days to install from thumb drive
[00:24] <infid> have people found 'precise pangolin' alpha to be stable enough for software development or home desktop use?
[00:24] <infid> i really need a distro of ubuntu that has newer packages, even 11.10 has outdated packages
[00:24] <CyberDawg> Is v12 using Unity?
[00:24] <penguin42> infid: it's not too bad, some stuff breaks now and again during development
[00:25] <penguin42> CyberDawg: The default with Ubuntu is Unity, you can install GNome3 packaes if you like, or KDE etc
[00:25] <infid> penguin42: enough to where it's probably not a good idea to install it on my work station at work for php development?
[00:26] <codepal> perfect match on md5 checksums
[00:26] <infid>  i just don't want it crashing on my everyday or not allowing me to install packages
[00:26] <penguin42> infid: I wouldn't
[00:26] <infid> penguin42: but i can't install LTS either because those packages are waaaay too out of date
[00:26] <penguin42> infid: But there again I keep Lucid at work and use PP on my home machines
[00:26] <infid> it's like i'm caught betwen a rock and a hard place
[00:27] <codepal> penguin42: are you trying to say that DVD installs are more notorious?
[00:27] <CyberDawg> penguin42, thanks for the info
[00:27] <penguin42> codepal: Well you just get bad burns and things and it takes a while to burn the DVD etc - and whats the point, it's just so much easier with a thumb drive
[00:27] <codepal> lol, I'm thinking I'll run this baby as a live-hdd
[00:28] <codepal> that way I won't ever have to worry about installing it :P
[00:28] <penguin42> best to install ; although I do use the CD images in VMs for things like banking - means I always run with a fresh image
[00:29] <codepal> I let you know when this thing decides to crash
[00:29] <CyberDawg> instead of running from USB and it be run fron an SD card?
[00:29] <codepal> I mean, it's like taking forever!
[00:30] <penguin42> codepal: If you have a terminal then do a dmesg and see if there are any errors
[00:30] <jtaylor> installing?
[00:30] <yofel> wtf. - I upgraded my eeePC and in precise the touchpad moves my mouse as soon as I touch it even if I'm not moving @_@
[00:31] <penguin42> CyberDawg: Not sure; I suspect it depends how the SD is connected, some SD readers look exactly like a USB thumb drive to the host
[00:31] <penguin42> yofel: Is it in absolute mode ?
[00:31] <yofel> penguin42: where do I see that?
[00:31] <CyberDawg> penguin42, think I will give that a try after dindin
[00:31] <codepal> penguin42:  can't see anything
[00:32] <penguin42> yofel: Dunno, I was fairly sure some of the pads could do it
[00:40] <codepal> so what the recommended fs format for precise?
[00:42] <yofel> ext4 I would say
[00:44] <codepal> glad to see xkill still works -  he
[00:45] <yofel> ls
[00:45] <yofel> ...
[00:50] <codepal> bbs
[01:57] <lucas-arg> wow kde 4.8 impresive
[02:01] <snadge> how do you get dpkg-buildpackage to do parallel builds?
[02:01] <snadge> this is annoying
[02:01] <snadge> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=9
[02:01] <snadge> thats not working.. passing -j9 isnt working
[02:05] <snadge> maybe i should use pbuild ? i dont know
[02:08] <infid> how do you install updates after installing precise? are there any?
[02:08] <infid> i'm used to lucid so this unity interface or whatever is weird
[02:11] <snadge> apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
[02:11] <snadge> theres also update-manage
[02:11] <snadge> +r
[02:11] <infid> there's no way to do it from the gui?
[02:11] <snadge> sure.. run update-manager
[02:12] <infid> how do you click to it
[02:12] <snadge> win (meta) - type up
[02:12] <infid> thx
[02:12] <infid> i tried alt+f2 then typing up before but that didnt work but your way does thanks
[02:12] <snadge> to do it purely with the mouse
[02:13] <snadge> click the icon in the top right corner.. theres an updates available thing
[02:13] <snadge> if thats not there.. you can go
[02:14] <snadge> click on the dash icon.. click on "more apps", scroll down till you find "update manager"
[02:14] <snadge> thats kinda painfully slow though ;)
[02:15] <snadge> now im trying to figure out, why this stupid fucking package is only building with one thread
[02:15] <snadge> despite my repeated attempts to override that
[04:33] <codepal> thoroughly impressed with Unity
[04:33] <codepal> good job folks
[04:37] <snadge> i am for the most part
[04:37] <snadge> it has an irritating input focus bug that almost shits me to tears every time it happens
[04:39] <codepal> hrm? I think I might have noticed that... a small delay before it allows you to type?
[04:41] <snadge> no
[04:42] <snadge> this is annoyingirfox on it (in particular) when typing in the address bar, the autocomplete feature does not work
[04:42] <snadge> if you right click and bring up context menu, when you move the mouse over it, it disappears
[04:42] <snadge> unless you click on the window title bar, to manually focus it
[04:44] <codepal> uck
[04:44] <codepal> I made a small oopsy before I installed, somehow fudged my old LTS - :'(
[04:44] <codepal> more fixing to do
[04:45] <codepal> I've been using 10.04 for ages because of the wacom support it had
[04:45] <codepal> (until I upgraded xorg)
[04:45] <codepal> I see a wacom control panel in settings, gonna plug in the old serial wacom and see what kind of support I get.
[04:46] <snadge> 12.04 has allegedly merged some new input code
[04:46] <codepal> yeah, they'll be wanting to compete with Windows 'Kinect' 8
[04:47] <codepal> I for one, will never, ever use a wand or speak to my computer to get it to do things
[04:47] <codepal> mouse and keyboard for me, it's tradition
[05:09] <codepal> well that was exciting.... anybody round here tried loggin into a debian machine via SSH x forwarding ?
[05:09] <codepal> unfortunately apport complained about a few missing things libpam stuff, and I coundn't finish the bug submit
[06:07] <codepal> Anybody got some idea how I might find out whether / how I can install a serial wacom Intous in ubuntu 12.10?
[06:07] <codepal> hrm, I might try a restart with it plugged in first...
[06:07] <codepal> bbs
[08:22] <sbarcteam> hi.
[08:22] <sbarcteam> I've just installed precise inside a virtualbox on mac.
[08:22] <sbarcteam> And it works :)
[08:22] <sbarcteam> which is kinda nice.
[08:49] <lotuspsychje> u like precise changes?
[11:14] <codepal> yole! - What's cotendo.com got to do with ubuntu?
[11:14] <codepal> lsof shows many, many connections....
[13:01] <Hoyt> hi , anyone using Precise here ?
[13:01] <Hoyt> could you help me run a command:   find /usr/lib/indicator* -name libappmenu.so , and i want the result path , thanks
[13:02] <snadge>  usr/lib/indicators3/7/libappmenu.so
[13:02] <Hoyt> thanks
[13:03] <Hoyt> i shall get that launchpad bug fixed
[13:07] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:10] <penguin42> is anyone seeing scrolling problems? I'm seeing in chrome a lot of jumping back to the top of the page for no apparent reasons
[13:12] <BluesKaj> penguin42,  that's chrome , it's slow to load everything , so if you scroll down to find something before the page is fully loaded , jumps back up when it's done , it's pita for sure
[13:12] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I hadn't had that problem before
[13:12] <BluesKaj> I've seen it on chromium for a while
[13:32] <Daekdroom> That's started to happen to me on Firefox too.
[14:34] <penguin42> hmm I'm seeing this in pidgin as well
[14:40] <penguin42> ok, can some one try this - just gently keep scrolling down with a mouse roller - does it ever jump up?  OK - if not try moving the mouse very slightly while scrolling
[15:31] <FernandoMiguel> guud afternoon
[15:32] <penguin42> Hey FM
[16:17] <coz_> any issues with this mornings updates, before I restart?
[16:17] <pangolin> none that i have seen mentioned
[16:18] <coz_> pangolin,  ok thanks, I will reboot,, and if I have to reinstall I will come back crabby :)
[16:18]  * pangolin sets the ban now :P
[16:22] <FernandoMiguel> lol
[17:07] <penguin42> anyone in Kubuntu+1 at the moment? Can they try starting a gnome-terminal - it shrunk back to a single line
[17:50] <alkisg> I have my laptop connected to an external monitor. After login I get a cloned view. Then I type:
[17:50] <alkisg> xrandr --output LVDS1 --off
[17:50] <alkisg> Then compiz crashes, and I get a prompt to report the bug
[17:51] <alkisg> And when I click yes, it tells me that it's a bug report against a package that is not installed!
[17:51] <alkisg> ....should I manually file 2 bugs?!
[17:51] <penguin42> sounds like it
[17:51] <alkisg> Thank you
[17:51] <penguin42> when you say it's against one you haven't got installed, is it the source package for one you have installed?
[17:52] <alkisg> /usr/bin/python /usr/share/apport/apport-gtk
[17:52] <alkisg> I guess that's the program that shows the dialog
[17:52] <alkisg> I have a Greek interface so I don't know the exact wording
[17:53] <penguin42> yeh apport is the one that does error reporting
[17:53] <alkisg> compiz gets respawned of course and it works afterwards
[17:53] <alkisg> It's just that it crashes with the xrandr command (intel graphics), and I don't know why apport thinks that I don't have compiz installed
[17:53] <penguin42> alkisg: do you know the exact Greek wording?
[17:54] <alkisg> Yes I have the dialog open still
[17:54] <alkisg> Η αναφορά ανήκει σε ένα πακέτο το οποίο δεν είναι εγκατεστημένο.
[17:54] <alkisg> "The report belongs to a package that is not installed"
[17:54] <alkisg> And a [Close] button
[17:54] <penguin42> hmm ok; then best to report both of them
[17:55] <alkisg> Thank you penguin42
[17:58] <aguitel> is anyone using nvidia-173 drivers in 12.04 ?
[18:48] <BluesKaj> aguitel,  GPUs ranging from GeForce series 5 to GeForce series 9 are supported according to synaptic
[19:38] <aguitel> BluesKaj, it is not working in precise
[19:39] <iceroot> aguitel: bug is opened?
[19:39] <aguitel> iceroot, i am in oneric
[19:40] <iceroot> aguitel: bug is opened?
[19:40] <aguitel> iceroot, not
[19:40] <iceroot> aguitel: then please open the bug
[19:40] <iceroot> aguitel: i told you 5 times to open the bug
[19:40] <aguitel> iceroot, but need to install again precise
[19:40] <iceroot> aguitel: i also told you how to open the bug when you are on 11.10
[19:41] <aguitel> iceroot, yes i know
[19:41] <aguitel> but i decide to install oneric
[19:41] <iceroot> aguitel: then what is the problem? you have a problem on 12.04, you dont want to open a bug and now you are on 11.10
[19:41] <BluesKaj> good luck iceroot :P
[19:42] <aguitel> iceroot, when you talk to me to open a bug for the first time i decide to reinstall oneric
[19:42] <iceroot> aguitel: what is the current problem now?
[19:43] <aguitel> iceroot, in oneric all is ok
[19:43] <iceroot> aguitel: fine
[19:44] <iceroot> [20:38]   aguitel | BluesKaj, it is not working in precise
[19:44] <iceroot> open a bug for that, nothing less or more
[19:45] <iceroot> 12.04 is alpha and normally only for people how wants to do some testing, bugreporting, bug fixing, nothing else is 12.04 at the moment
[19:46] <iceroot> so if you dont want to work with Launchpad at the moment i thing 12.04 is not what you are looking for at the moment, wait for the stable release and hope your bug is fixed by someone else (or even detected)
[19:46] <bjsnider> if you're using the 173 driver you might be better off using nouveau instead at this point
[19:46] <bjsnider> nvidia doesn't put much effort into the 173 blob
[19:47] <bjsnider> i'm assuming the hardware is old junk
[19:48] <bjsnider> or end-of-life hardware, to put it another way
[19:49] <iceroot> wasnt there a driver for old hardware too?
[19:49] <iceroot> nvidia-legancy or something like that
[19:58] <bjsnider> the nvidia-96 and 173 drivers are for old hardware
[20:05] <aguitel> but this is linux ,don't need the last device
[21:00] <varikonniemi> hello, could somebody tell me what is recommended to get a program to support the system titlebar under unity, ie hide all window decoration and titlebar from the window? Is it trivial or must it be designed to use it
[21:01] <varikonniemi> and is it possible some future ubuntu version does it os-side so the program does not have to be specifically coded for ubuntu ?=
[21:02] <trism> varikonniemi: oh, you are writing a program and you want it to have the behavior? there isn't anything special you need to, the window manager takes care of that
[21:02] <varikonniemi> no i am running a program
[21:02] <varikonniemi> and it refuses to hide the titlebar
[21:03] <trism> varikonniemi: might help to specify the exact program, and again sorry for misunderstanding
[21:03] <varikonniemi> https://imgur.com/Nb5hz
[21:04] <varikonniemi> no need to say sorry :D my english is not the best
[21:04] <varikonniemi> in that screenshot spring thinks it is maximized
[21:12] <varikonniemi> wait a second, i clicked maximized again and again and again, and finally it seemed to have worked, it rendered without titlebar, but immediately crashed :(
[21:16] <varikonniemi> i guess my question is: is there anything that should be done/could be done to ensure it should work, or is this just a random bug?
[21:24] <bjsnider> varikonniemi, this channel is probably not the best one to ask this question
[21:29] <trism> varikonniemi: I just installed to test and I see it here though, might be worth a bug report, either unity not picking up the window correctly or spring doing something weird. I did notice though that the decoration does hide in gnome shell with the modified theme I linked in #ubuntu earlier
[21:31] <varikonniemi> ok so it is probably a unity bug then. bjsnider why is this not the correct channel? is'n this about ubuntu development, and this is an issue with ubuntu / or spring
[21:31] <varikonniemi> and what trism said suggests its ubuntu?
[21:32] <bjsnider> it's not the correct channel because the unity/ayatana programming crowd isn't here
[21:33] <varikonniemi> so where are they? :P
[21:33] <Daekdroom> #ubuntu-unity
[21:34] <varikonniemi> thank you :)
[21:35] <bjsnider> but sunday is not the best day to get in touch with them because they have weekends off and whatnot
[23:34] <oconnore> how do you change the layout of windows in raw X11? the update to 12.04 killed unity, so now I am in raw X and can't see the update manager.
[23:34] <jtaylor> use a terminal?
[23:35] <Ben64> oconnore: try starting metacity
[23:35] <jtaylor> if getting to updates is your problem :/
[23:36] <oconnore> Ben64: thanks
[23:41] <oconnore> This is interesting. I am upgrading to 12.04 to try to fix a keyboard input problem, where, for example, I would type "terminal" in the finder and the last 4 letters would be dropped. It also happened in firefox, gedit, and terminal. As soon as unity crashed, my problem went away.
[23:41] <oconnore> My keyboard is now perfectly responsive.
[23:44] <oconnore> Perhaps if this update doesn't work, my next step should be to install xfce or maybe kde.
[23:44] <mw1coe> Anyone help with a PowerPC Install please.
[23:58] <codepal> Q: Why does Ubuntu 12.04 setup 3 partitions, when installing in side-by-side mode?
[23:59] <codepal> I had a ext4 partition all ready for it on my SSD, then it went ahead and repartitioned it into 3. 1 x data - 1 x base - 1 x swap...
[23:59] <codepal> I already had a swap, which somehow it didn't see