| codepal | hrm, won't I have to get it to crash first? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| codepal | or does it pull in logs of progs already crashed? | 00:01 |
| penguin42 | codepal: Yes you need to get it to crash first | 00:03 |
| penguin42 | codepal: SO boot the installer and go to Try Ubuntu rather than install, then double click on the install and go through the installer; then when it dies hopefully you can still open a terminal | 00:04 |
| penguin42 | (although I thought there was an easier way - hmm) | 00:04 |
| codepal | right, thank you! | 00:06 |
| codepal | is it normal for the installer to take > 1min from "For Best results," > Continue? | 00:07 |
| penguin42 | I can't remember when For Best Results come sup | 00:14 |
| codepal | First screen after --- What do you want to do? Install / Live | 00:14 |
| penguin42 | hmm I don't think it should take long | 00:15 |
| codepal | what are the min spec details for precise? | 00:16 |
| penguin42 | not sure - what have you got? | 00:19 |
| codepal | man, submitting a bug report could be hard if it's gonna take over 20mins to crash :P | 00:19 |
| codepal | Celeron D341 | 00:19 |
| codepal | Intel® Celeron(R) CPU 2.93GHz in sysinfo | 00:21 |
| penguin42 | that should be fine - how much ram? | 00:21 |
| codepal | Mem: 3.9 GiB & running off a DVD | 00:21 |
| penguin42 | oh yeh, no problem | 00:22 |
| codepal | 32-bit | 00:22 |
| penguin42 | are you sure your DVD burn is good? | 00:22 |
| codepal | I'll just check checksum | 00:22 |
| penguin42 | I was thinking more about the burn rather than the download | 00:23 |
| penguin42 | it's a lot easier these days to install from thumb drive | 00:23 |
| infid | have people found 'precise pangolin' alpha to be stable enough for software development or home desktop use? | 00:24 |
| infid | i really need a distro of ubuntu that has newer packages, even 11.10 has outdated packages | 00:24 |
| CyberDawg | Is v12 using Unity? | 00:24 |
| penguin42 | infid: it's not too bad, some stuff breaks now and again during development | 00:24 |
| penguin42 | CyberDawg: The default with Ubuntu is Unity, you can install GNome3 packaes if you like, or KDE etc | 00:25 |
| infid | penguin42: enough to where it's probably not a good idea to install it on my work station at work for php development? | 00:25 |
| codepal | perfect match on md5 checksums | 00:26 |
| infid | i just don't want it crashing on my everyday or not allowing me to install packages | 00:26 |
| penguin42 | infid: I wouldn't | 00:26 |
| infid | penguin42: but i can't install LTS either because those packages are waaaay too out of date | 00:26 |
| penguin42 | infid: But there again I keep Lucid at work and use PP on my home machines | 00:26 |
| infid | it's like i'm caught betwen a rock and a hard place | 00:26 |
| codepal | penguin42: are you trying to say that DVD installs are more notorious? | 00:27 |
| CyberDawg | penguin42, thanks for the info | 00:27 |
| penguin42 | codepal: Well you just get bad burns and things and it takes a while to burn the DVD etc - and whats the point, it's just so much easier with a thumb drive | 00:27 |
| codepal | lol, I'm thinking I'll run this baby as a live-hdd | 00:27 |
| codepal | that way I won't ever have to worry about installing it :P | 00:28 |
| penguin42 | best to install ; although I do use the CD images in VMs for things like banking - means I always run with a fresh image | 00:28 |
| codepal | I let you know when this thing decides to crash | 00:29 |
| CyberDawg | instead of running from USB and it be run fron an SD card? | 00:29 |
| codepal | I mean, it's like taking forever! | 00:29 |
| penguin42 | codepal: If you have a terminal then do a dmesg and see if there are any errors | 00:30 |
| jtaylor | installing? | 00:30 |
| yofel | wtf. - I upgraded my eeePC and in precise the touchpad moves my mouse as soon as I touch it even if I'm not moving @_@ | 00:30 |
| penguin42 | CyberDawg: Not sure; I suspect it depends how the SD is connected, some SD readers look exactly like a USB thumb drive to the host | 00:31 |
| penguin42 | yofel: Is it in absolute mode ? | 00:31 |
| yofel | penguin42: where do I see that? | 00:31 |
| CyberDawg | penguin42, think I will give that a try after dindin | 00:31 |
| codepal | penguin42: can't see anything | 00:31 |
| penguin42 | yofel: Dunno, I was fairly sure some of the pads could do it | 00:32 |
| codepal | so what the recommended fs format for precise? | 00:40 |
| yofel | ext4 I would say | 00:42 |
| codepal | glad to see xkill still works - he | 00:44 |
| yofel | ls | 00:45 |
| yofel | ... | 00:45 |
| codepal | bbs | 00:50 |
| lucas-arg | wow kde 4.8 impresive | 01:57 |
| snadge | how do you get dpkg-buildpackage to do parallel builds? | 02:01 |
| snadge | this is annoying | 02:01 |
| snadge | DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=9 | 02:01 |
| snadge | thats not working.. passing -j9 isnt working | 02:01 |
| snadge | maybe i should use pbuild ? i dont know | 02:05 |
| infid | how do you install updates after installing precise? are there any? | 02:08 |
| infid | i'm used to lucid so this unity interface or whatever is weird | 02:08 |
| snadge | apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade | 02:11 |
| snadge | theres also update-manage | 02:11 |
| snadge | +r | 02:11 |
| infid | there's no way to do it from the gui? | 02:11 |
| snadge | sure.. run update-manager | 02:11 |
| infid | how do you click to it | 02:12 |
| snadge | win (meta) - type up | 02:12 |
| infid | thx | 02:12 |
| infid | i tried alt+f2 then typing up before but that didnt work but your way does thanks | 02:12 |
| snadge | to do it purely with the mouse | 02:12 |
| snadge | click the icon in the top right corner.. theres an updates available thing | 02:13 |
| snadge | if thats not there.. you can go | 02:13 |
| snadge | click on the dash icon.. click on "more apps", scroll down till you find "update manager" | 02:14 |
| snadge | thats kinda painfully slow though ;) | 02:14 |
| snadge | now im trying to figure out, why this stupid fucking package is only building with one thread | 02:15 |
| snadge | despite my repeated attempts to override that | 02:15 |
| codepal | thoroughly impressed with Unity | 04:33 |
| codepal | good job folks | 04:33 |
| snadge | i am for the most part | 04:37 |
| snadge | it has an irritating input focus bug that almost shits me to tears every time it happens | 04:37 |
| codepal | hrm? I think I might have noticed that... a small delay before it allows you to type? | 04:39 |
| snadge | no | 04:41 |
| snadge | this is annoyingirfox on it (in particular) when typing in the address bar, the autocomplete feature does not work | 04:42 |
| snadge | if you right click and bring up context menu, when you move the mouse over it, it disappears | 04:42 |
| snadge | unless you click on the window title bar, to manually focus it | 04:42 |
| codepal | uck | 04:44 |
| codepal | I made a small oopsy before I installed, somehow fudged my old LTS - :'( | 04:44 |
| codepal | more fixing to do | 04:44 |
| codepal | I've been using 10.04 for ages because of the wacom support it had | 04:45 |
| codepal | (until I upgraded xorg) | 04:45 |
| codepal | I see a wacom control panel in settings, gonna plug in the old serial wacom and see what kind of support I get. | 04:45 |
| snadge | 12.04 has allegedly merged some new input code | 04:46 |
| codepal | yeah, they'll be wanting to compete with Windows 'Kinect' 8 | 04:46 |
| codepal | I for one, will never, ever use a wand or speak to my computer to get it to do things | 04:47 |
| codepal | mouse and keyboard for me, it's tradition | 04:47 |
| codepal | well that was exciting.... anybody round here tried loggin into a debian machine via SSH x forwarding ? | 05:09 |
| codepal | unfortunately apport complained about a few missing things libpam stuff, and I coundn't finish the bug submit | 05:09 |
| codepal | Anybody got some idea how I might find out whether / how I can install a serial wacom Intous in ubuntu 12.10? | 06:07 |
| codepal | hrm, I might try a restart with it plugged in first... | 06:07 |
| codepal | bbs | 06:07 |
| sbarcteam | hi. | 08:22 |
| sbarcteam | I've just installed precise inside a virtualbox on mac. | 08:22 |
| sbarcteam | And it works :) | 08:22 |
| sbarcteam | which is kinda nice. | 08:22 |
| lotuspsychje | u like precise changes? | 08:49 |
| codepal | yole! - What's cotendo.com got to do with ubuntu? | 11:14 |
| codepal | lsof shows many, many connections.... | 11:14 |
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| Hoyt | hi , anyone using Precise here ? | 13:01 |
| Hoyt | could you help me run a command: find /usr/lib/indicator* -name libappmenu.so , and i want the result path , thanks | 13:01 |
| snadge | usr/lib/indicators3/7/libappmenu.so | 13:02 |
| Hoyt | thanks | 13:02 |
| Hoyt | i shall get that launchpad bug fixed | 13:03 |
| BluesKaj | Howdy all | 13:07 |
| penguin42 | is anyone seeing scrolling problems? I'm seeing in chrome a lot of jumping back to the top of the page for no apparent reasons | 13:10 |
| BluesKaj | penguin42, that's chrome , it's slow to load everything , so if you scroll down to find something before the page is fully loaded , jumps back up when it's done , it's pita for sure | 13:12 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: I hadn't had that problem before | 13:12 |
| BluesKaj | I've seen it on chromium for a while | 13:12 |
| Daekdroom | That's started to happen to me on Firefox too. | 13:32 |
| penguin42 | hmm I'm seeing this in pidgin as well | 14:34 |
| penguin42 | ok, can some one try this - just gently keep scrolling down with a mouse roller - does it ever jump up? OK - if not try moving the mouse very slightly while scrolling | 14:40 |
| FernandoMiguel | guud afternoon | 15:31 |
| penguin42 | Hey FM | 15:32 |
| coz_ | any issues with this mornings updates, before I restart? | 16:17 |
| pangolin | none that i have seen mentioned | 16:17 |
| coz_ | pangolin, ok thanks, I will reboot,, and if I have to reinstall I will come back crabby :) | 16:18 |
| * pangolin sets the ban now :P | 16:18 | |
| FernandoMiguel | lol | 16:22 |
| penguin42 | anyone in Kubuntu+1 at the moment? Can they try starting a gnome-terminal - it shrunk back to a single line | 17:07 |
| alkisg | I have my laptop connected to an external monitor. After login I get a cloned view. Then I type: | 17:50 |
| alkisg | xrandr --output LVDS1 --off | 17:50 |
| alkisg | Then compiz crashes, and I get a prompt to report the bug | 17:50 |
| alkisg | And when I click yes, it tells me that it's a bug report against a package that is not installed! | 17:51 |
| alkisg | ....should I manually file 2 bugs?! | 17:51 |
| penguin42 | sounds like it | 17:51 |
| alkisg | Thank you | 17:51 |
| penguin42 | when you say it's against one you haven't got installed, is it the source package for one you have installed? | 17:51 |
| alkisg | /usr/bin/python /usr/share/apport/apport-gtk | 17:52 |
| alkisg | I guess that's the program that shows the dialog | 17:52 |
| alkisg | I have a Greek interface so I don't know the exact wording | 17:52 |
| penguin42 | yeh apport is the one that does error reporting | 17:53 |
| alkisg | compiz gets respawned of course and it works afterwards | 17:53 |
| alkisg | It's just that it crashes with the xrandr command (intel graphics), and I don't know why apport thinks that I don't have compiz installed | 17:53 |
| penguin42 | alkisg: do you know the exact Greek wording? | 17:53 |
| alkisg | Yes I have the dialog open still | 17:54 |
| alkisg | Η αναφορά ανήκει σε ένα πακέτο το οποίο δεν είναι εγκατεστημένο. | 17:54 |
| alkisg | "The report belongs to a package that is not installed" | 17:54 |
| alkisg | And a [Close] button | 17:54 |
| penguin42 | hmm ok; then best to report both of them | 17:54 |
| alkisg | Thank you penguin42 | 17:55 |
| aguitel | is anyone using nvidia-173 drivers in 12.04 ? | 17:58 |
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| BluesKaj | aguitel, GPUs ranging from GeForce series 5 to GeForce series 9 are supported according to synaptic | 18:48 |
| aguitel | BluesKaj, it is not working in precise | 19:38 |
| iceroot | aguitel: bug is opened? | 19:39 |
| aguitel | iceroot, i am in oneric | 19:39 |
| iceroot | aguitel: bug is opened? | 19:40 |
| aguitel | iceroot, not | 19:40 |
| iceroot | aguitel: then please open the bug | 19:40 |
| iceroot | aguitel: i told you 5 times to open the bug | 19:40 |
| aguitel | iceroot, but need to install again precise | 19:40 |
| iceroot | aguitel: i also told you how to open the bug when you are on 11.10 | 19:40 |
| aguitel | iceroot, yes i know | 19:41 |
| aguitel | but i decide to install oneric | 19:41 |
| iceroot | aguitel: then what is the problem? you have a problem on 12.04, you dont want to open a bug and now you are on 11.10 | 19:41 |
| BluesKaj | good luck iceroot :P | 19:41 |
| aguitel | iceroot, when you talk to me to open a bug for the first time i decide to reinstall oneric | 19:42 |
| iceroot | aguitel: what is the current problem now? | 19:42 |
| aguitel | iceroot, in oneric all is ok | 19:43 |
| iceroot | aguitel: fine | 19:43 |
| iceroot | [20:38] aguitel | BluesKaj, it is not working in precise | 19:44 |
| iceroot | open a bug for that, nothing less or more | 19:44 |
| iceroot | 12.04 is alpha and normally only for people how wants to do some testing, bugreporting, bug fixing, nothing else is 12.04 at the moment | 19:45 |
| iceroot | so if you dont want to work with Launchpad at the moment i thing 12.04 is not what you are looking for at the moment, wait for the stable release and hope your bug is fixed by someone else (or even detected) | 19:46 |
| bjsnider | if you're using the 173 driver you might be better off using nouveau instead at this point | 19:46 |
| bjsnider | nvidia doesn't put much effort into the 173 blob | 19:46 |
| bjsnider | i'm assuming the hardware is old junk | 19:47 |
| bjsnider | or end-of-life hardware, to put it another way | 19:48 |
| iceroot | wasnt there a driver for old hardware too? | 19:49 |
| iceroot | nvidia-legancy or something like that | 19:49 |
| bjsnider | the nvidia-96 and 173 drivers are for old hardware | 19:58 |
| aguitel | but this is linux ,don't need the last device | 20:05 |
| varikonniemi | hello, could somebody tell me what is recommended to get a program to support the system titlebar under unity, ie hide all window decoration and titlebar from the window? Is it trivial or must it be designed to use it | 21:00 |
| varikonniemi | and is it possible some future ubuntu version does it os-side so the program does not have to be specifically coded for ubuntu ?= | 21:01 |
| trism | varikonniemi: oh, you are writing a program and you want it to have the behavior? there isn't anything special you need to, the window manager takes care of that | 21:02 |
| varikonniemi | no i am running a program | 21:02 |
| varikonniemi | and it refuses to hide the titlebar | 21:02 |
| trism | varikonniemi: might help to specify the exact program, and again sorry for misunderstanding | 21:03 |
| varikonniemi | https://imgur.com/Nb5hz | 21:03 |
| varikonniemi | no need to say sorry :D my english is not the best | 21:04 |
| varikonniemi | in that screenshot spring thinks it is maximized | 21:04 |
| varikonniemi | wait a second, i clicked maximized again and again and again, and finally it seemed to have worked, it rendered without titlebar, but immediately crashed :( | 21:12 |
| varikonniemi | i guess my question is: is there anything that should be done/could be done to ensure it should work, or is this just a random bug? | 21:16 |
| bjsnider | varikonniemi, this channel is probably not the best one to ask this question | 21:24 |
| trism | varikonniemi: I just installed to test and I see it here though, might be worth a bug report, either unity not picking up the window correctly or spring doing something weird. I did notice though that the decoration does hide in gnome shell with the modified theme I linked in #ubuntu earlier | 21:29 |
| varikonniemi | ok so it is probably a unity bug then. bjsnider why is this not the correct channel? is'n this about ubuntu development, and this is an issue with ubuntu / or spring | 21:31 |
| varikonniemi | and what trism said suggests its ubuntu? | 21:31 |
| bjsnider | it's not the correct channel because the unity/ayatana programming crowd isn't here | 21:32 |
| varikonniemi | so where are they? :P | 21:33 |
| Daekdroom | #ubuntu-unity | 21:33 |
| varikonniemi | thank you :) | 21:34 |
| bjsnider | but sunday is not the best day to get in touch with them because they have weekends off and whatnot | 21:35 |
| oconnore | how do you change the layout of windows in raw X11? the update to 12.04 killed unity, so now I am in raw X and can't see the update manager. | 23:34 |
| jtaylor | use a terminal? | 23:34 |
| Ben64 | oconnore: try starting metacity | 23:35 |
| jtaylor | if getting to updates is your problem :/ | 23:35 |
| oconnore | Ben64: thanks | 23:36 |
| oconnore | This is interesting. I am upgrading to 12.04 to try to fix a keyboard input problem, where, for example, I would type "terminal" in the finder and the last 4 letters would be dropped. It also happened in firefox, gedit, and terminal. As soon as unity crashed, my problem went away. | 23:41 |
| oconnore | My keyboard is now perfectly responsive. | 23:41 |
| oconnore | Perhaps if this update doesn't work, my next step should be to install xfce or maybe kde. | 23:44 |
| mw1coe | Anyone help with a PowerPC Install please. | 23:44 |
| codepal | Q: Why does Ubuntu 12.04 setup 3 partitions, when installing in side-by-side mode? | 23:58 |
| codepal | I had a ext4 partition all ready for it on my SSD, then it went ahead and repartitioned it into 3. 1 x data - 1 x base - 1 x swap... | 23:59 |
| codepal | I already had a swap, which somehow it didn't see | 23:59 |
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