[00:00] hrm, won't I have to get it to crash first? [00:01] or does it pull in logs of progs already crashed? [00:03] codepal: Yes you need to get it to crash first [00:04] codepal: SO boot the installer and go to Try Ubuntu rather than install, then double click on the install and go through the installer; then when it dies hopefully you can still open a terminal [00:04] (although I thought there was an easier way - hmm) [00:06] right, thank you! [00:07] is it normal for the installer to take > 1min from "For Best results," > Continue? [00:14] I can't remember when For Best Results come sup [00:14] First screen after --- What do you want to do? Install / Live [00:15] hmm I don't think it should take long [00:16] what are the min spec details for precise? [00:19] not sure - what have you got? [00:19] man, submitting a bug report could be hard if it's gonna take over 20mins to crash :P [00:19] Celeron D341 [00:21] Intel® Celeron(R) CPU 2.93GHz in sysinfo [00:21] that should be fine - how much ram? [00:21] Mem: 3.9 GiB & running off a DVD [00:22] oh yeh, no problem [00:22] 32-bit [00:22] are you sure your DVD burn is good? [00:22] I'll just check checksum [00:23] I was thinking more about the burn rather than the download [00:23] it's a lot easier these days to install from thumb drive [00:24] have people found 'precise pangolin' alpha to be stable enough for software development or home desktop use? [00:24] i really need a distro of ubuntu that has newer packages, even 11.10 has outdated packages [00:24] Is v12 using Unity? [00:24] infid: it's not too bad, some stuff breaks now and again during development [00:25] CyberDawg: The default with Ubuntu is Unity, you can install GNome3 packaes if you like, or KDE etc [00:25] penguin42: enough to where it's probably not a good idea to install it on my work station at work for php development? [00:26] perfect match on md5 checksums [00:26] i just don't want it crashing on my everyday or not allowing me to install packages [00:26] infid: I wouldn't [00:26] penguin42: but i can't install LTS either because those packages are waaaay too out of date [00:26] infid: But there again I keep Lucid at work and use PP on my home machines [00:26] it's like i'm caught betwen a rock and a hard place [00:27] penguin42: are you trying to say that DVD installs are more notorious? [00:27] penguin42, thanks for the info [00:27] codepal: Well you just get bad burns and things and it takes a while to burn the DVD etc - and whats the point, it's just so much easier with a thumb drive [00:27] lol, I'm thinking I'll run this baby as a live-hdd [00:28] that way I won't ever have to worry about installing it :P [00:28] best to install ; although I do use the CD images in VMs for things like banking - means I always run with a fresh image [00:29] I let you know when this thing decides to crash [00:29] instead of running from USB and it be run fron an SD card? [00:29] I mean, it's like taking forever! [00:30] codepal: If you have a terminal then do a dmesg and see if there are any errors [00:30] installing? [00:30] wtf. - I upgraded my eeePC and in precise the touchpad moves my mouse as soon as I touch it even if I'm not moving @_@ [00:31] CyberDawg: Not sure; I suspect it depends how the SD is connected, some SD readers look exactly like a USB thumb drive to the host [00:31] yofel: Is it in absolute mode ? [00:31] penguin42: where do I see that? [00:31] penguin42, think I will give that a try after dindin [00:31] penguin42: can't see anything [00:32] yofel: Dunno, I was fairly sure some of the pads could do it [00:40] so what the recommended fs format for precise? [00:42] ext4 I would say [00:44] glad to see xkill still works - he [00:45] ls [00:45] ... [00:50] bbs [01:57] wow kde 4.8 impresive [02:01] how do you get dpkg-buildpackage to do parallel builds? [02:01] this is annoying [02:01] DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=9 [02:01] thats not working.. passing -j9 isnt working [02:05] maybe i should use pbuild ? i dont know [02:08] how do you install updates after installing precise? are there any? [02:08] i'm used to lucid so this unity interface or whatever is weird [02:11] apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade [02:11] theres also update-manage [02:11] +r [02:11] there's no way to do it from the gui? [02:11] sure.. run update-manager [02:12] how do you click to it [02:12] win (meta) - type up [02:12] thx [02:12] i tried alt+f2 then typing up before but that didnt work but your way does thanks [02:12] to do it purely with the mouse [02:13] click the icon in the top right corner.. theres an updates available thing [02:13] if thats not there.. you can go [02:14] click on the dash icon.. click on "more apps", scroll down till you find "update manager" [02:14] thats kinda painfully slow though ;) [02:15] now im trying to figure out, why this stupid fucking package is only building with one thread [02:15] despite my repeated attempts to override that [04:33] thoroughly impressed with Unity [04:33] good job folks [04:37] i am for the most part [04:37] it has an irritating input focus bug that almost shits me to tears every time it happens [04:39] hrm? I think I might have noticed that... a small delay before it allows you to type? [04:41] no [04:42] this is annoyingirfox on it (in particular) when typing in the address bar, the autocomplete feature does not work [04:42] if you right click and bring up context menu, when you move the mouse over it, it disappears [04:42] unless you click on the window title bar, to manually focus it [04:44] uck [04:44] I made a small oopsy before I installed, somehow fudged my old LTS - :'( [04:44] more fixing to do [04:45] I've been using 10.04 for ages because of the wacom support it had [04:45] (until I upgraded xorg) [04:45] I see a wacom control panel in settings, gonna plug in the old serial wacom and see what kind of support I get. [04:46] 12.04 has allegedly merged some new input code [04:46] yeah, they'll be wanting to compete with Windows 'Kinect' 8 [04:47] I for one, will never, ever use a wand or speak to my computer to get it to do things [04:47] mouse and keyboard for me, it's tradition [05:09] well that was exciting.... anybody round here tried loggin into a debian machine via SSH x forwarding ? [05:09] unfortunately apport complained about a few missing things libpam stuff, and I coundn't finish the bug submit [06:07] Anybody got some idea how I might find out whether / how I can install a serial wacom Intous in ubuntu 12.10? [06:07] hrm, I might try a restart with it plugged in first... [06:07] bbs [08:22] hi. [08:22] I've just installed precise inside a virtualbox on mac. [08:22] And it works :) [08:22] which is kinda nice. [08:49] u like precise changes? [11:14] yole! - What's cotendo.com got to do with ubuntu? [11:14] lsof shows many, many connections.... === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:01] hi , anyone using Precise here ? [13:01] could you help me run a command: find /usr/lib/indicator* -name libappmenu.so , and i want the result path , thanks [13:02] usr/lib/indicators3/7/libappmenu.so [13:02] thanks [13:03] i shall get that launchpad bug fixed [13:07] Howdy all [13:10] is anyone seeing scrolling problems? I'm seeing in chrome a lot of jumping back to the top of the page for no apparent reasons [13:12] penguin42, that's chrome , it's slow to load everything , so if you scroll down to find something before the page is fully loaded , jumps back up when it's done , it's pita for sure [13:12] BluesKaj: I hadn't had that problem before [13:12] I've seen it on chromium for a while [13:32] That's started to happen to me on Firefox too. [14:34] hmm I'm seeing this in pidgin as well [14:40] ok, can some one try this - just gently keep scrolling down with a mouse roller - does it ever jump up? OK - if not try moving the mouse very slightly while scrolling [15:31] guud afternoon [15:32] Hey FM [16:17] any issues with this mornings updates, before I restart? [16:17] none that i have seen mentioned [16:18] pangolin, ok thanks, I will reboot,, and if I have to reinstall I will come back crabby :) [16:18] * pangolin sets the ban now :P [16:22] lol [17:07] anyone in Kubuntu+1 at the moment? Can they try starting a gnome-terminal - it shrunk back to a single line [17:50] I have my laptop connected to an external monitor. After login I get a cloned view. Then I type: [17:50] xrandr --output LVDS1 --off [17:50] Then compiz crashes, and I get a prompt to report the bug [17:51] And when I click yes, it tells me that it's a bug report against a package that is not installed! [17:51] ....should I manually file 2 bugs?! [17:51] sounds like it [17:51] Thank you [17:51] when you say it's against one you haven't got installed, is it the source package for one you have installed? [17:52] /usr/bin/python /usr/share/apport/apport-gtk [17:52] I guess that's the program that shows the dialog [17:52] I have a Greek interface so I don't know the exact wording [17:53] yeh apport is the one that does error reporting [17:53] compiz gets respawned of course and it works afterwards [17:53] It's just that it crashes with the xrandr command (intel graphics), and I don't know why apport thinks that I don't have compiz installed [17:53] alkisg: do you know the exact Greek wording? [17:54] Yes I have the dialog open still [17:54] Η αναφορά ανήκει σε ένα πακέτο το οποίο δεν είναι εγκατεστημένο. [17:54] "The report belongs to a package that is not installed" [17:54] And a [Close] button [17:54] hmm ok; then best to report both of them [17:55] Thank you penguin42 [17:58] is anyone using nvidia-173 drivers in 12.04 ? === arif-ali_ is now known as arif-ali [18:48] aguitel, GPUs ranging from GeForce series 5 to GeForce series 9 are supported according to synaptic [19:38] BluesKaj, it is not working in precise [19:39] aguitel: bug is opened? [19:39] iceroot, i am in oneric [19:40] aguitel: bug is opened? [19:40] iceroot, not [19:40] aguitel: then please open the bug [19:40] aguitel: i told you 5 times to open the bug [19:40] iceroot, but need to install again precise [19:40] aguitel: i also told you how to open the bug when you are on 11.10 [19:41] iceroot, yes i know [19:41] but i decide to install oneric [19:41] aguitel: then what is the problem? you have a problem on 12.04, you dont want to open a bug and now you are on 11.10 [19:41] good luck iceroot :P [19:42] iceroot, when you talk to me to open a bug for the first time i decide to reinstall oneric [19:42] aguitel: what is the current problem now? [19:43] iceroot, in oneric all is ok [19:43] aguitel: fine [19:44] [20:38] aguitel | BluesKaj, it is not working in precise [19:44] open a bug for that, nothing less or more [19:45] 12.04 is alpha and normally only for people how wants to do some testing, bugreporting, bug fixing, nothing else is 12.04 at the moment [19:46] so if you dont want to work with Launchpad at the moment i thing 12.04 is not what you are looking for at the moment, wait for the stable release and hope your bug is fixed by someone else (or even detected) [19:46] if you're using the 173 driver you might be better off using nouveau instead at this point [19:46] nvidia doesn't put much effort into the 173 blob [19:47] i'm assuming the hardware is old junk [19:48] or end-of-life hardware, to put it another way [19:49] wasnt there a driver for old hardware too? [19:49] nvidia-legancy or something like that [19:58] the nvidia-96 and 173 drivers are for old hardware [20:05] but this is linux ,don't need the last device [21:00] hello, could somebody tell me what is recommended to get a program to support the system titlebar under unity, ie hide all window decoration and titlebar from the window? Is it trivial or must it be designed to use it [21:01] and is it possible some future ubuntu version does it os-side so the program does not have to be specifically coded for ubuntu ?= [21:02] varikonniemi: oh, you are writing a program and you want it to have the behavior? there isn't anything special you need to, the window manager takes care of that [21:02] no i am running a program [21:02] and it refuses to hide the titlebar [21:03] varikonniemi: might help to specify the exact program, and again sorry for misunderstanding [21:03] https://imgur.com/Nb5hz [21:04] no need to say sorry :D my english is not the best [21:04] in that screenshot spring thinks it is maximized [21:12] wait a second, i clicked maximized again and again and again, and finally it seemed to have worked, it rendered without titlebar, but immediately crashed :( [21:16] i guess my question is: is there anything that should be done/could be done to ensure it should work, or is this just a random bug? [21:24] varikonniemi, this channel is probably not the best one to ask this question [21:29] varikonniemi: I just installed to test and I see it here though, might be worth a bug report, either unity not picking up the window correctly or spring doing something weird. I did notice though that the decoration does hide in gnome shell with the modified theme I linked in #ubuntu earlier [21:31] ok so it is probably a unity bug then. bjsnider why is this not the correct channel? is'n this about ubuntu development, and this is an issue with ubuntu / or spring [21:31] and what trism said suggests its ubuntu? [21:32] it's not the correct channel because the unity/ayatana programming crowd isn't here [21:33] so where are they? :P [21:33] #ubuntu-unity [21:34] thank you :) [21:35] but sunday is not the best day to get in touch with them because they have weekends off and whatnot [23:34] how do you change the layout of windows in raw X11? the update to 12.04 killed unity, so now I am in raw X and can't see the update manager. [23:34] use a terminal? [23:35] oconnore: try starting metacity [23:35] if getting to updates is your problem :/ [23:36] Ben64: thanks [23:41] This is interesting. I am upgrading to 12.04 to try to fix a keyboard input problem, where, for example, I would type "terminal" in the finder and the last 4 letters would be dropped. It also happened in firefox, gedit, and terminal. As soon as unity crashed, my problem went away. [23:41] My keyboard is now perfectly responsive. [23:44] Perhaps if this update doesn't work, my next step should be to install xfce or maybe kde. [23:44] Anyone help with a PowerPC Install please. [23:58] Q: Why does Ubuntu 12.04 setup 3 partitions, when installing in side-by-side mode? [23:59] I had a ext4 partition all ready for it on my SSD, then it went ahead and repartitioned it into 3. 1 x data - 1 x base - 1 x swap... [23:59] I already had a swap, which somehow it didn't see