[16:57] <jokrebel> Hi
[16:58] <toddy> Hi jokrebel
[18:01] <MarkusH> hello
[18:01] <Silverlion> AlanBell: reporting present for the meeting
[18:01] <Fuchs> good evening :)
[18:01] <Frickelpit> hi guys
[18:01] <Silverlion> MarkusH: ein Hallo an den Landsmann ;)?
[18:01] <AlanBell> evening
[18:01] <MarkusH> Hallo Silverlion. Danke gleichfalls
[18:01] <toddy> Silverlion: :D
[18:01] <AlanBell> #startmeeting
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[18:01] <k1l> hi
[18:01] <AlanBell> hi all
[18:02] <Silverlion> hey there
[18:02] <Frickelpit> huch, der k1l :)
[18:02] <pangolin> o/
[18:02] <AlanBell> well hi everyone
[18:02] <oCean> o/
[18:02] <AlanBell> Pici: funkyHat: o/
[18:03] <LjL> hi
[18:03] <Silverlion> To all the german Lubuntu-Users in here #invite to #lubuntu-de-offtopic
[18:03] <AlanBell> we will get started soon and we won't exceed an hour this time, might end up deferring some items if we don't get through them
[18:04] <pangolin> Pici funkyHat wake up!
[18:05]  * Silverlion will follow the meeting but as i am complete newbie i will stand in the background
[18:05] <AlanBell> hmm, seems I am all on my lonesome for the moment
[18:05] <AlanBell> ah well, lets go anyhow
[18:06] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda is the agenda
[18:06] <AlanBell> #topic Review last meetings action items
[18:06] <AlanBell> #progress ircc to move eir control channel to -ops-monitor if this will preserve existing ban timeouts - AlanBell
[18:06] <AlanBell> this was done
[18:06] <AlanBell> eir is now reporting ban expiry in #ubuntu-ops-monitor and is functioning just as it ever was
[18:06] <pangolin> and is currently being ignored at a greater degree
[18:07] <AlanBell> we can talk more about eir later in the main topic
[18:07] <AlanBell> yes, it is a bit, if you have bans being nagged please deal with them one way or another
[18:07] <AlanBell> anyhow, this item was done.
[18:07] <pangolin> :)
[18:07] <AlanBell> #topic Open items in the IRCC tracker
[18:08] <AlanBell> there are none
[18:08] <AlanBell> #topic Review Bugs related to the Ubuntu IRC Council
[18:08] <AlanBell> #subtopic bug 788503 IRC Guidelines too #ubuntu centric - tsimpson
[18:08] <AlanBell> not much progress to report on this one, I believe we have a draft of some new guidelines, I have not reviewed it in detail yet
[18:09] <AlanBell> anyone got anything else to say about this one?
[18:09] <pangolin> there is an etherpad draft, yes. i don't have the link
[18:09] <pangolin> last time I looked I think all it really needed was some clean up.
[18:09] <AlanBell> ok, hopefully we will get time to do that and have something to report at the next meeting
[18:10] <AlanBell> #subtopic bug 884671 Ubuntu IRC operator recruitment is slow and ungainly - jussi
[18:10] <AlanBell> well we have been doing some recruitment \o/
[18:10] <pangolin> Welcome new members of the ops team!
[18:10] <AlanBell> yes, welcome all
[18:11] <AlanBell> lets move on from this bug, I think we can review it again later and see how we are doing
[18:11] <AlanBell> #subtopic bug 892500 eir is still not fit for purpose in #ubuntu -ikonia
[18:12] <AlanBell> so on this one we have moved the eir control channel out of -ops-team to make way for some new eir-like functionality from ubottu and/or floodbots
[18:12] <LjL> From what I've gathered lately, most people seem to be happy with the idea of ubottu handling this instead of eir, but I think there is still a lot of implementation work to be done.
[18:12] <pangolin> is there work being done on ubottu?
[18:12] <AlanBell> indeed
[18:13] <LjL> I think ubottu would be a better candidate (even though the FloodBots already have ops and ubottu doesn't), because it runs the bantracker.
[18:13] <pangolin> I would much prefer we have one bot that can handle this
[18:13] <pangolin> ubottu would be my choice as well
[18:13] <AlanBell> I would like to get some names for people wanting to work on this and some actions happening by the next meeting
[18:13] <pangolin> we know :)
[18:14] <LjL> AlanBell: I *think* someone is experimenting with ubottu, because I've noticed some, erm, notices from it that weren't there in the past...?
[18:14] <LjL> #ubuntu-bots-team is pretty silent lately, if there's work, it's being done quietly...
[18:15] <pangolin> AlanBell: perhaps ask on the irc mailing list for some volunteers to help with ubottu? unless there are security issues that need to be considered
[18:15] <AlanBell> ok, I can find out if someone has been doing stuff on ubottu
[18:16] <AlanBell> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bots/ubuntu-bots/devel/changes not recently it seems
[18:16] <AlanBell> ok, good suggestion pangolin, I will mail the list
[18:17] <AlanBell> #action AlanBell to call for helpers to implement eir-like functionality in ubottu
[18:17] <meetingology> ACTION: AlanBell to call for helpers to implement eir-like functionality in ubottu
[18:17] <pangolin> AlanBell: i think the only thing would be bantracker access
[18:17] <pangolin> but probably can be worked out
[18:17] <AlanBell> yeah, we discussed that before, bantracker isn't a massive security worry
[18:17] <LjL> AlanBell: on ubottu.com, some eir-related files were updated recently
[18:18] <AlanBell> eir related files??
[18:18] <pangolin> eir and ubottu do some chatting
[18:18] <AlanBell> ok
[18:18] <pangolin> something may have been changed in those files
[18:18] <LjL> AlanBell: yes, I don't know whether it's what pangolin says, or a replacement for eir in the work.
[18:18] <LjL> AlanBell: I can have a look, I have read access on it.
[18:20] <AlanBell> ok, well lets figure out who wants to work on this and arrange a separate workshop on it
[18:20] <AlanBell> moving on
[18:20] <AlanBell> #subtopic bug 913541 there are a number of people with Ubuntu IRC cloaks who have expired from the ubuntumembers group - AlanBell
[18:20] <AlanBell> there were 19, there are now 15 I think
[18:21] <AlanBell> I spoke to those on the list who I could find online, I think one was not using an ubuntu cloak, another went for an unaffiliated cloak and the other two renewed their Ubuntu membership
[18:21] <pangolin> those people are being contacted and cloaks removed if they chose not to renew?
[18:21] <pangolin> cool
[18:21] <AlanBell> one of them had let their MOTU membership expire intentionally and was transferred into the irc members group as a slighly unusual renewal
[18:22] <AlanBell> we will go through the rest of the list and update next meeting
[18:22] <AlanBell> #subtopic bug 916247 devel wiki on ubottu.com needs some attention - AlanBell
[18:22] <Silverlion> Question regarding cloak i have ;)
[18:22] <pangolin> ask! :)
[18:23] <Silverlion> do i need an ubuntu cloak ... my friends from SII gave me one...
[18:23] <AlanBell> we only have cloaks for Ubuntu members, I will explain that a bit later, your current one is fine Silverlion
[18:23] <Silverlion> AlanBell: copy that
[18:24] <AlanBell> ok, so this bug, the wiki was full of spam, this has now been cleaned up \o/
[18:24] <AlanBell> and registration turned off so it won't happen again
[18:24] <AlanBell> we should still port the content to wiki.ubuntu.com, but that is a bit of a pain going from mediawiki to moin syntax
[18:25] <AlanBell> ok, that concludes the bug list
[18:25] <AlanBell> #topic Welcoming our new operators
[18:25] <AlanBell> yay, welcome to the new operators \o/
[18:25]  * Silverlion puts some six-packs of beer into the middle of the room
[18:26] <Silverlion> is kinda tradition to bring something into a new "job"
[18:26]  * pangolin is looking forward to working with the new folks
[18:27] <AlanBell> Benny Hult, Chris Druif, Jared Norris, Jens Leineweber, Mohana Kumar, Phill Whiteside, stlsaint, Unit 193 are the new operators we are welcoming to the core ops team
[18:27]  * Silverlion listens to Jens ;)
[18:28] <AlanBell> they have mostly all been invited to the -ops channel where they are voiced and the -ops-team channel, there are a couple who have been offline for the weekend and I haven't seen yet
[18:29] <oCean> offline? :o
[18:30] <oCean> :)
[18:30] <Silverlion> an operator isn't supposed to have offline time, is he?
[18:30] <Silverlion> :D
[18:30] <AlanBell> there is an induction process that somewhat exists and we are adapting a bit, basically this runs to the precise release date
[18:30] <AlanBell> oCean: does not compute!
[18:31] <AlanBell> during the induction we are intending to run a handful of classes in the #ubuntu-classroom channel covering things like setting various types of bans, mediating with problem users, how the various bots work
[18:32] <oCean> AlanBell: the new induction process starting from april?
[18:32] <AlanBell> some of this will be useful as the #lubuntu channel grows
[18:32] <AlanBell> oCean: ending then
[18:32] <oCean> oh, I got it
[18:32] <AlanBell> starting now, it is a 3 month thing, which as it starts now, takes us nicely up to the release
[18:32] <oCean> yes, ok
[18:33] <AlanBell> anyhow, the main point of it is to give us a timeframe in which to run these classes
[18:33] <AlanBell> if this is a successful way to do induction I think I could see us doing it as a regular thing in line with the release cycle
[18:34] <pleia2> it's nice to see such a process in place, as the project grows a lot of folks are put into positions of greater responsibility and some have felt they lack training
[18:34] <Myrtti> I'm currently doing induction for freenode staffship, perhaps we could snatch some ideas and practises from there?
[18:34] <AlanBell> so do another intake at the end of July across all our channels for the 12.10 release for example
[18:34] <pangolin> o/ is all this going to be on the final? I just want to know what to study.
[18:35] <oCean> hehe
[18:35] <Myrtti> AlanBell: do we have a draft document or something for this, perhaps I could pitch in some ideas?
[18:35] <AlanBell> anyhow, we are looking for volunteers to do various classes, please step forward
[18:35]  * Myrtti has already volunteered for irssi 101
[18:35] <AlanBell> Myrtti: yes, we have some draft ideas, not in great detail
[18:36] <LjL> AlanBell: I could run some of them I guess. Not about any specific client like Myrtti (I use Konversation, not very widespread), but about the more generic stuff.
[18:36] <AlanBell> anyhow, you will be hearing more from us this week about that
[18:36] <AlanBell> LjL: I have you down for the bots one :)
[18:37] <LjL> :)
[18:37] <AlanBell> any more questions about #lubuntu and the new operators?
[18:38] <AlanBell> ok, moving on then
[18:38] <AlanBell> #topic IRCC meeting times
[18:38] <AlanBell> we want to have the meetings when people can get to them
[18:38] <LjL> So apparently not at 18:00? :P
[18:38] <AlanBell> the last meeting was the 11:00UTC saturday meeting and I had a lot of comments about it being inconvenient
[18:39] <pangolin> This meeting time is great IMO the one that happens at 11:00 UTC blows chunks for me
[18:39] <AlanBell> I emailed the list and asked if anyone wanted to speak up for that timeslot and had no reply
[18:39] <AlanBell> elky: you were on holiday so might have missed that
[18:40] <AlanBell> I kind of need the other IRCC members here to make any decisions on that, but I think we are agreed that the 11:00 UTC slot is mostly inconvenient and should be changed
[18:40] <Myrtti> doodle / etc it?
[18:41] <AlanBell> I will discuss with the rest of the IRCC and we will put it to the mailing list, if there are several options then a doodle poll
[18:42] <AlanBell> #action meeting timeslots to be taken to the mailing list, 11:00UTC slot is in danger of being dropped
[18:42] <meetingology> ACTION: meeting timeslots to be taken to the mailing list, 11:00UTC slot is in danger of being dropped
[18:43] <AlanBell> #topic ubuntuuser.de - Fuchs toddy
[18:43] <AlanBell> hi Fuchs, toddy and co o/
[18:43] <toddy> o/
[18:43] <MarkusH> o/
[18:43] <Frickelpit> hi
[18:43] <Fuchs> hello :)
[18:43] <AlanBell> so the background to this is that there has been a request to set up #ubuntusers namespace on freenode
[18:44] <AlanBell> and this would be managed by part of the -de locoteam right?
[18:44] <Fuchs> AlanBell: I can give a short introduction if you like
[18:44] <AlanBell> please do
[18:44] <Fuchs> (disclaimer: I am speaking as both a member of the #ubuntu-de operators and part of the ubuntuusers team)
[18:44] <Fuchs> (however, I am not speaking as a freenode staffer)
[18:44] <Fuchs> great. Okay, for the german speaking parts, there are two different teams, which are both part of the LoCo
[18:45] <dax> (If you need someone to speak as a freenode staffer about this, hi)
[18:45] <Fuchs> there is the team which manages #ubuntu-de, similar to other ubuntu support channels
[18:45] <Fuchs> then there is the ubuntuusers.de portal, which is a portal consisting of a forum, a wiki, a news feed and a planet
[18:45] <Fuchs> historically both have been managed by different teams, which, however, work together
[18:46] <Fuchs> now a grf-f has been filed by the ubuntuusers team, so that we can manage #ubuntuusers, which does not really fall in the ubuntu namespace,
[18:46] <Fuchs> plus which is not managed by the #ubuntu-de operators. This channel has been in place for quite a long time, and is where users can contact ubuntuusers team members regarding the portal
[18:47] <Fuchs> We had contact with several people, including nhandler and dholbach, and most things are clear. However, there are some questions open, so we brought a bunch of people today to clear things up
[18:47] <AlanBell> do you get many english language users arriving in the channel?
[18:47] <Fuchs> we have MarkusH, toddy, Frickelpit and me from ubuntuusers.de, and k1l and me from #ubuntu-de
[18:47] <Fuchs> AlanBell: maybe one user per two months or so, max
[18:47] <AlanBell> ok, and I trust they are helpfully redirected to a more appropriate channel
[18:48] <Pici> uhh..  My clock said the meeting starts in 15 minutes... my apologies.
[18:48] <Fuchs> The ubuntuusers.de portal is officially part of the german Ubuntu e.V., there is no commercial company behind us  (and we are not afiliated with the ubuntu user magazine, two misinformations that were around)
[18:48] <Fuchs> AlanBell: of course
[18:48] <AlanBell> hi Pici
[18:48] <Fuchs> so what we basically need is that one of you gives the okay to freenode staff, so that they can proceed the grf-f
[18:49] <pangolin> Why not name the channel #ubuntu-de-portal or something similar so that it stays in the namespace?
[18:49] <Fuchs> and then the ubuntuusers team will manage the #ubuntuusers channel, including cloaks to show people which team a team member is in. This helps a lot, since we have different teams on very different stuff (news suggestions, moderation stuff, tech stuff regarding the servers etc.)
[18:49] <Fuchs> pangolin: because the team behind #ubuntu-de is a different one. Both are part of the LoCo, but it's different people. Ubuntuusers is a rather big thing (biggest german portal), so having the same team managing this would add quite some workload
[18:50] <Fuchs> pangolin: also it has been like that for quite some time now, and most users are adapted to it. Also most links on wikis and other documentation is.
[18:50] <AlanBell> ok, we passed on this request to the LoCo Council and the Community Council too, there was a suggestion from the LoCo council that it should be in the #ubuntu-de-* area too
[18:50] <Pici> To me this sounds rather obvious then.  The IRC channels should reflect the organizational differences.
[18:50] <pangolin> Fuchs: sounds reasonable.
[18:50] <k1l> (as an ubuntu-de-op) im fine with that as long as the link for support to #ubuntu-de and for offtopic to #ubuntu-de-offtopic. we link to the wiki at ubuntuusers.de because its the best german linux wiki around
[18:51] <LjL> I think pangolin has a point. You're part of the DE community but separate at the same time; Ubuntu has always had just "member" cloaks, so wouldn't this turn into a way to disperse the cloaks and the namespace?
[18:51] <Fuchs> k1l: the link is set up like that in server error pages and wikis of ubuntuusers.de
[18:51] <Fuchs> LjL: not really, since it's two different things
[18:51] <AlanBell> I think it is clear that this is an existing situation, a well managed channel, and it is in the spirit of Ubuntu advocacy so tradmark use is fine
[18:51] <Fuchs> LjL: I don't think that other local communities have the same situation with such a big portal
[18:52] <pangolin> LjL: good point. I am not sure we want @ubuntuusers/member/ cloaks
[18:52] <AlanBell> Fuchs: who would get the cloaks and what would an example one be?
[18:52] <pangolin> it would cause confusion
[18:52] <Fuchs> AlanBell: team members,  @ubuntuusers/serverteam/username   I think
[18:52] <Fuchs> so it would not look like ubuntu member cloaks at all
[18:53] <pangolin> yeah, I'm not happy with that. it still has ubuntu in it and couple imply membership status to the uninformed
[18:53] <pangolin> could*
[18:53] <Fuchs> I am quite sure that moving to a different namespace and beginning to mix up the two, including cloaks, will cause a lot more confusion among german users, which are used to the current situation for some years now
[18:54] <Fuchs> so basically it would stay as is for the german ubuntu users, but the ubuntuusers team would have better possibilities of channel management
[18:54] <Pici> Am I the only one not happy telling an existing Ubuntu advocacy group how to run their own organization?
[18:54] <Fuchs> users would not be disturbed, #ubuntu-de Operators would not be disturbed and ubuntuusers people would be happy
[18:55] <pangolin> Pici: I don't mind the channel name being #ubuntuusers. I don't like the idea of a separate cloak with the word Ubuntu in it.
[18:55] <oCean> pangolin: I don't see why not, they're contributing to the project
[18:55] <AlanBell> I am fine with that cloak format I think
[18:56] <oCean> yes, I think it's a fine idea
[18:56] <pangolin> then they should apply for membership like the rest of us did to get our cloak
[18:56] <AlanBell> I suspect that most of the people getting that cloak would be well placed in terms of a significant and sustained contribution to get an Ubuntu member cloak
[18:56] <Fuchs> pangolin: it's not the same as a membership cloak. It is also used to distinguish teams a bit
[18:56] <Fuchs> AlanBell: probably, but it would add quite some administrative overhead
[18:56] <pangolin> Fuchs: we don't do that in Ubuntu
[18:57] <pangolin> we don't distinguish teams, we are all members
[18:57] <AlanBell> Fuchs: I wasn't suggesting linking them in some way, just that you are not planning on handing them out to any random person who asks
[18:57] <Fuchs> pangolin: it's for pragmatic reasons, when a user comes in the general team channel, he would have a better possibility to see which person he should contact
[18:57]  * Pici agrees with AlanBell 
[18:58] <Fuchs> pangolin: example: if a user wants to suggest a news article, he should contact one of our ikhaya (that's our news portal) members. Giving this suggestion to one of our server guys is just a detour :)
[18:58] <Fuchs> AlanBell: definitely not
[18:58] <Fuchs> AlanBell: we have standards definied on how you can join one of the team
[18:58] <AlanBell> great
[18:58] <Pici> Then I'm fine with that.
[18:58] <Fuchs> AlanBell: and I am also not a big fan of handing them to every new member who just joined
[18:58] <oCean> good to hear there's a proper process in place.
[18:58] <Fuchs> good :)
[18:59] <AlanBell> ok, maybe we should vote on this to confirm the decision
[18:59] <pangolin> Fuchs: I disagree, the user can ask and then be directed to the correct team/person. That user should not need to /whois to see where to get help. anyway i am against adding a cloak with the word ubuntu in it. if that does happen I am going to fight for an ubuntero cloak that was declined years ago by the ircc
[19:00] <dax> pangolin: as in ubuntu/ubuntero/*?
[19:00] <Myrtti> is there even a possible quorum?
[19:00] <pangolin> maybe @ubuntu/helper cloak
[19:00] <Fuchs> pangolin: it would just be an additional measure. I am unfortunately not aware of any history regarding ubuntero cloaks, but I think you should feel free to bring that up again if you want
[19:00] <AlanBell> Myrtti: yes, with pleia2
[19:00] <Myrtti> ah
[19:01] <AlanBell> #voters AlanBell Pici pleia2 funkyHat
[19:01] <meetingology> Current voters: AlanBell Pici funkyHat pleia2
[19:01] <pangolin>  I know a few people in #ubuntu who might like to have a @ubuntu/helper cloak
[19:01] <Pici> We're not talking about adding additional levels to the Ubuntu cloak namespace. We're talking about ubuntuusers.
[19:02] <pangolin> yeah i am fine with the channel.
[19:03] <AlanBell> #vote the IRCC agrees not to object to the #ubuntuusers GRF
[19:03] <meetingology> Please vote on: the IRCC agrees not to object to the #ubuntuusers GRF
[19:03] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[19:03] <AlanBell> +1
[19:03] <meetingology> +1 received from AlanBell
[19:03] <pleia2> +1
[19:03] <meetingology> +1 received from pleia2
[19:03] <Pici> +1
[19:03] <meetingology> +1 received from Pici
[19:04] <AlanBell> not sure funkyHat is awake
[19:04] <AlanBell> #endvote
[19:04] <meetingology> Voting ended on: the IRCC agrees not to object to the #ubuntuusers GRF
[19:04] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[19:04] <meetingology> Motion carried
[19:04] <toddy> thank you all. :)
[19:04] <Fuchs> Thank you very much :)
[19:04] <MarkusH> thank you very much
[19:04] <Fuchs> feel free to poke me if you need some further information or whatever :)
[19:04] <dax> pleia2: I take it Ubuntu CC decided to delegate the decision to IRCC and isn't going to object in and of themselves?
[19:05] <AlanBell> ok, thanks Fuchs
[19:05] <pleia2> dax: IRC-based decisions arealways delegated to the IRCC, the CC only gets involved if it's escalated
[19:05] <dax> pleia2: thanks
[19:05] <christel> i must admit that i think it's pretty impressive that the ubuntu community is such that whilst the project's GRF would be entirely fine standing on it's own feet from a freenode pov, you have created an atmosphere in which people come and ask for your approval regardless
[19:05] <AlanBell> dax: the CC was notified, and we considered the trademark implications
[19:05] <christel> many ++'s!
[19:06] <oCean> :)
[19:06] <AlanBell> ok, we have a bunch of items on the agenda that we have not got to yet, but we are out of time
[19:07] <AlanBell> I don't see any of them being urgent so I am intending to defer them to the next meeting in about 2 weeks, time to be discussed but probably not on Saturday morning
[19:07] <AlanBell> #topic Any Other Business
[19:07] <AlanBell> anyone got any other pressing matter to raise?
[19:08] <AlanBell> ok, thanks very much everyone
[19:08] <AlanBell> #endmeeting
[19:08] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Jan 29 19:08:28 2012 UTC.
[19:08] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-01-29-18.01.moin.txt
[19:10] <topyli> very sorry for being so very late. isn't it ircc meeting time?
[19:10] <Myrtti> lol
[19:11] <Myrtti> you arrived on the same minute #endvote was declared
[19:11] <Myrtti> I mean #endmeeting
[19:11] <Pici> topyli: both our clocks said it started 11 minutes ago :(
[19:11] <oCean> (:
[19:11] <topyli> i'm a full hour late?
[19:11] <Pici> topyli: I happened to show up 'early' for that.
[19:11] <Pici> topyli: yes. me too, sort of.
[19:11] <topyli> grr
[19:12]  * Silverlion waves and leaves
[19:12] <Myrtti> here's a trick: add Reykjavik into your locations
[19:12] <Myrtti> they're using UTC.
[19:13] <Fuchs> right, have a nice day / evening folks, thank you again, and as said, feel free to poke me if you need something more :)
[19:13] <topyli> it's the daylight savings. i have no sense of time anymore
[19:14] <Myrtti> topyli: Iceland doesn't have DST either
[19:14] <topyli> russia also abandoned it, afaik
[19:14] <Myrtti> but they're not on UTC timezone ;-)
[19:15] <topyli> no, but at least they're on the *same* timezone all the time
[19:16] <Myrtti> well the point I was trying to make was that if you've got Reykjavik as a location in your Gnome/whatever clock, you can use it to check the meeting times
[19:17] <topyli> i like this one: http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/
[19:18] <topyli> you can live whereever you want, just check it :)
[19:18] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/IRCC/20120129
[19:18] <dax> Good desktop environments also feature the ability to put UTC in your clock.
[19:18] <dax> If memory serves, the Evolution people also fixed my bug about UTC not working in Evolution calendar :)
[19:18] <topyli> even gnome used to have that!
[19:21] <topyli> anyway, i should have been here at 20 not 21 and now my super-political agenda is lost. the sane people have won. what will we do!
[19:42] <jokrebel> bye
[19:55] <MarkusH> see you, and thanks again