[00:02] what's the syntax for wildcards in a bind zone file? [00:08] ;] [00:08] mgdm: Who you gonna call??? [00:09] rfc1912 2.7 [00:10] do i need @ and *.@ or is just *.@ enough? [00:11] I just use *. [00:12] *.@ doesn't seem valid... the admin tool won't accept it [00:12] *.example.com. got turned into just * [00:12] afaik, the wildcard will match anything in its scope that isn't otherwise defined [00:12] I use @ for the SOA record. and then *. IN A wh.at.ev.er [00:13] i don't have a SOA record [00:13] I'm not sure how that works then; I'm authorative for the domain, so I kinda need one [00:13] (the SOA has refresh, serial, ttl, etc) [00:13] i just have @ 10800 IN A w.x.y.z [00:14] and now i have * 1080 IN A w.x.y.z as well [00:14] try *. IN A w.x.y.z [00:15] that works here, but that's in a full record [00:15] but does that replace the one with @ or in addition to it? [00:15] I honestly couldn't tell you; the only @ records I have are the SOA ones [00:16] *. isn;t accepted [00:16] (for domains I answer, I'm the only NS or the auth NS, so it's a full record) [00:16] "syntax error in name field" [00:17] it will only allow me to enter * 10800 IN A ... [00:17] oh well, i'll just wait 3 hours and see whathappens [00:19] hm, I can't force that error [00:20] I get "ignoring out-of-zone data (*)" for "*.", which I was really sure was valid. and an a-ok for * IN A .. [00:20] (using named-checkzone) [00:20] shouldn't *. match anything up to root? [00:25] that's my understanding, yeah [00:26] I rather confused by not having an @ SOA record tho. I don't have any zone without such a record [00:28] i'm entering the config into an online web interface [00:29] it probably has a hidden SOA record or something [00:29] i'm thinking that because *. would match anything up to the root its considered out of zone [00:29] and then just merges what you enter [00:30] whereas * is kind of wrong because it doesn't incomplete but only matches within the zone so its ok [00:32] http://paste.ubuntu.com/820737/ that's what mine looks like. * IN A ad.dr.es.s works for me, but *. doesn't; which isn't how I understood it [00:33] but ^ is why not having an SOA confuses me [00:33] shauno: i don't have access to the whole config file, just a web form where i enter a snippet [00:33] so the SOA record is probably outside my control [00:34] ouch [00:34] that kinda makes sense, and kinda sucks at the same time [00:34] I prefer to see it, even if I can't touch it [00:34] well it's pretty cool... i can put SFR record etc i assume [00:34] but yeah it would be nice to see some context [00:35] hmm looks like putting * in the A record overrides all the defined CNAMEs [00:36] yeah; there's no particular order. a wildcard will win, even if it's last [00:36] hmm [00:37] so i can't have a wildcard that would accept potential mistyped addresses eg wwww.example.com, while also defining specific subdomains for other servers? [00:37] in all honesty, bind9 makes my ex-wife look like the paragon of common sense. and she was american. [00:39] lol [00:40] glad someone chuckled. the awkward silence was starting to look spiteful ;) [00:41] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4592#section-2.2.1 [00:41] its too late to be thinking about DNS [00:42] hah [00:42] shauno: I chuckled and I'm American. I'm not sure what that says about me. [00:44] Pendulum: american ultimately had nothing to do with it. it's just a more straight-forward punchline :) [00:45] shauno: I meant more that I wasn't sure what it said about me that I liked the punchline :) [00:45] the alternative would sound less like a joke, and more like .. dude [00:46] moo. [00:46] short version, she holds world records in her weight class for powerlifting. and I think solairs is kinda neat in it's own little ways. neither wrong, just basic incompatibilities [00:47] ah... i think can put the wildcard as a cname, then it doesn't overwrite the other cnames :) [00:47] anyhow, enough excuses. * IN A works here. I've no idea what pre-processing is happening there [00:48] so what's the IN mean? [00:48] INternet [00:48] india? (internet address? honestly .. my bind-foo isn't workable, not heavy) [00:49] er, is/not [00:49] it's hard to google for "in" [00:49] I have a feeling IN is a leftover [00:50] yeah, its vestigal [00:50] I have IN A, IN AAAA, IN SRV, IN TXT .. all IN .. [00:52] unix and linux system administration page 577 defines IN as internet [00:53] I'll bow to that then. this bottle doesn't define it at all [00:53] you don't need it anymore, by default IN is assumed by all implementations [00:53] bottles don't define much :) [00:53] that bit I didn't know; for the most part, I just copy lines that I know to work [00:54] I get one day off this week. bottles define that day. nothing more, nothing less [00:54] hm... how much extra hate do i get if i add two architectures to src:mono on debian? [00:55] why hate? [02:16] [Jono Bacon] More Ubuntu Accomplishments Hacking - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/01/29/more-ubuntu-accomplishments-hacking/ [04:33] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 777 2012-01-29 04:33 access.log [04:33] how is it possible for the webserver to be writing to this file? [04:51] does it pass events to some logging daemon? [04:53] off to bed anyway [04:53] gl o/ [08:54] tell me why I don't like Sunday, tell me why I don't like Sunday....coz tomorrow's Monday :( [08:56] danfish: that's not how the song goes ;) [09:04] MartijnVdS: quite. I spend the week looking forwards to Friday and the weekend and it goes too quickly [09:04] ho hum, a week off in Feb to recharge my batteries and jumpstart some projects :) [09:05] danfish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0 or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGgMZpGYiy8&ob=av3n [09:09] ahh, the cure - the music of my youth [09:13] music is not the same now [10:02] Morning [10:04] Morning [10:09] morning [10:26] good morning everyone. [10:33] Howdy [10:41] Ug [10:52] think it may be past time to retire the old NSLU2 :( [10:52] taking it nearly 10 minutes to run an SQL query [10:53] heh [10:55] Things I have discovered about Thunderbird: 1) you can drag contacts from one account to another. 2) this deletes them from the original account just fine. 3) the target account does not have the moved contacts after reloading Thunderbird [10:55] I have lost countless contacts :( [10:55] uhm [10:55] unity 2d remembers which desktop you opened apps on [10:56] thats odd [11:01] For instance, I used to have popey's mobile number. This is no longer the case [11:01] popey: you can sleep safely at night now [11:04] probably shouldn't have asked libre office to plot all 300000 rows of that table :( [11:04] my mobile number isnt hard to find ☺ [11:04] * MartijnVdS looks in his mobile phone [11:04] indeed :) [11:04] bigcalm: nah - to summon popey just beam the circle of friends into the night sky ala batman ;) [11:05] Heh [11:05] heh [11:05] \o hi [11:05] danfish: not an image of a pope? [11:05] my current egy number is sooooo easy to remember! [11:05] HazRPG: 123456789? [11:05] all I have to remember is the last 4 digits [11:05] 1337! [11:06] because it starts with 0111110 [11:06] Binary number? [11:06] MartijnVdS: almost! [11:06] tis awesome! [11:06] I haven't found any pattern to my phone number yet [11:07] MartijnVdS: like i said, my egy number is mega! [11:07] mine is in my email sig now [11:07] cos you get to pick your number from a list here if you get a month sub. type contract [11:07] popey: don't you get prank callers from that? (when emailing public lists) [11:08] MartijnVdS: depends on the mailing lists really [11:08] lol [11:09] google really wants people to make sure they read their new terms don't they o.O [11:09] HazRPG: Have you seen the abuse IRC ops get _on irc_? I wouldn't want k1dd13s to know my phone number :) [11:09] 2 e-mails, and several notifications [11:09] daubers: talking of old hardware, I've just pressed my viglen mpc back into service! [11:09] MartijnVdS: same [11:10] HazRPG: I like that though. Lots of other companies change their TOS/privacy policies without notice [11:10] MartijnVdS: true, true [11:11] danfish: \o/ mine still cuts out randomly :) [11:13] daubers: (I'm running debian on it but don't tell anyone!) [11:13] right i have some errants to attend to, speak to ya all later \o [11:13] not yet MartijnVdS [11:13] s/errants/errands/* === andypiper_ is now known as andypiper [11:16] danfish: Heh :) I blame the uupc bunch for supplying me with duff hardware [11:17] though it might just need the heatsink to be reseated..... [11:17] daubers: time for a class action suit ;) [11:19] danfish: Is that what batman wears? [11:20] note: I may be doped up on every anti flu remedy I could find in the flat, and may make even less sense than usual [11:20] haha [11:22] daubers: best flu remedy ever = hot toddy + whisky + cocodamol (soluble) [11:23] take 4 times daily until comatose [11:25] is AlanBell around? How to cook the perfect roast chicken? [11:28] * popey looks at his chicken in the oven [11:28] * popey doubts it will be perfect but it will be tasty [11:32] did you watch how to cook like heston? [11:32] he did a chicken [11:33] he massively under cooks it for 2hours then over cooks it for 15 minutes [11:49] * MartijnVdS waves Cooking for Geeks around [11:50] * daubers is now tempted to nuke libre office [11:50] it's still trying to graph this stuff [12:00] MartijnVdS: I wouldn't expect IRC trolls to make phone calls, it would show up on their parent's bill [12:00] danfish: not sure how to cook chickens, but I have some great recipes for rat http://reocities.com/SunsetStrip/amphitheatre/8707/rats.html [12:05] AlanBell: I've had someone from #u-nl make "fake" phone calls using SIP gateways in China [12:05] AlanBell: all I heard was silence, but it happened several times/day, sometimes at night [12:08] that isn't good [12:08] MartijnVdS: that's a bit frightening [12:23] Pendulum: it stopped after I talked to Vodafone about it [12:34] bah [12:34] nouveau gives me big black boxes where web content should be [12:34] nvidia gives me gpu lockups [12:34] it's trying to tell you to stop browsing, start working :) [12:35] this thinkpad can't arrive soon enough [12:36] popey: Is this in unity2d or 3d? (for both Nouveau and nvidia?) [12:36] 3d [12:37] i have used nvidia driver for both and get gpu lockups on both 3d and 2d [12:37] only just switched to nouveau to see if i still get the lockups [12:37] and now I get lots of flicker and black boxes in content [12:37] I'd hope nouveau can cope with 2d [12:37] 2d still does compositing [12:37] * popey logs out and into 2d [12:37] popey: Yeh but it doesn't push it anywhere as hard [12:38] popey: And I'd assume it doesn't use GL to do it? [12:38] compositing is gl [12:40] hmm that's a shame; it works ok on cards that don't do any native GL (e.g. cirrus in KVM) but I guess that's the emulation in X? [12:40] compositing is turned off [12:41] How does it composite then? [12:41] if compositing is turned off [12:44] i give up [12:44] think I'll just put this laptop away and use my desktop until the thinkpad arrives [12:45] popey: Please donate it to a Nouvaeu dev [12:46] its going to my wife [12:47] if you just do a metacity --replace & it'll be useable on one of them [12:47] gonna back it up and stick osx on it [12:48] MartijnVdS, uh, it doesn't? [12:48] gord: then how do windows appear on the screen etc.? [12:48] MartijnVdS, that is not what compositing is [12:48] * MartijnVdS looks confused [12:52] a compositing window manager is a window manager that allows windows to be layered over each other, that is not what something like metacity does in its 2d mode [12:52] it just blits shapes [12:54] I'm not sure metacity even does that - it just puts the window where it wants it and the app draws where X tells it [12:54] more likely yes [12:56] it's much more efficient, but obviously not as pretty [13:03] http://cgi.cs.indiana.edu/~oracle/ \o/ [14:21] bah, unity 2d firefox flickers like bonkers with nouveau [14:21] * popey pokes chrisccoulson with a stick [14:22] hi popey [14:25] * popey tickles aquarius [14:25] what ho! [14:25] yo [14:25] Anyone watching the tennis? [14:26] I have a survey question: is it substantially useful to have a version of summit on your mobile phone which works when you don't have a network connection? Specifically, when would this be useful? (Obviously having it is more useful than not having it; I'm trying to work out *how* useful.) [14:26] when walking between hotel and venue [14:26] and in evening when you're out and about in a foreign country and there is no 3g (expensive) and no wifi [14:27] When random people are clogging the conference wifi [14:27] also at breakfast where the wifi didnt reach [14:27] with their apt-get updates/upgrades [14:27] that doesnt happen so much these days [14:28] UDS wifi is probably the best conf wifi [14:28] * popey tickles Nafallo [14:28] popey: You haven't been to YAPC::EU or FOSDEM have you ;) [14:28] i havent been to fosdem for a while [14:28] OK. There are two issues with offline access to summit. The first is that once you've taken something offline, it's quite likely to go out of date, especially given the rapidity with which the UDS schedule changes over the course of the week; the second is that you'd have to have gone and visited summit while online to get the data to cache. Do either of those constitute a severe problem? [14:28] last time I went the wifi was shocking [14:28] Djokovic is serving for the championship. [14:28] no aquarius [14:28] aquarius: so long as the UI lets you know how stale the data is [14:28] and provides and easy 'sync' button [14:29] I agree entirely that it'd be useful at breakfast and in the evenings, I just don't know whether it's useful *enough* that I'm prepared to put the work in to *try* and make it possible :) [14:29] ah, so it's a laziness issue :P [14:29] arguably you want to be away from summit in the evenings [14:29] and be doing things like drinking / eating / team-building [14:30] MartijnVdS, well, it's a time-and-resources issue; I only have a limited amount of spare time, and I have more projects than I have spare time. So I'm trying to work out whether I should do further work on summit rather than one of my other projects ;) [14:30] I've already made it mobile-friendly, which fixes one of my two big annoyances at UDS; the other big annoyance is not having access to summit when I'm away from the wifi, so I'm trying to quantify how much that also annoys other people :) [14:30] right, laptop pretty much unusable right now [14:31] s/two big annoyances/two big summit-related annoyances/ ;-) [14:31] * popey kicks off a backup and looks for an OSX CD [14:32] need a new hostname for the thinkpad when it arrives [14:32] deep-thought [14:32] aquarius, don't we have that app now? [14:32] ponder-stibbons [14:32] its like a conference app and you get the summit through that [14:32] gord, the app is shit. It's shit, yes it is. [14:33] !ohmy | aquarius [14:33] aquarius: Please remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others. [14:33] it really is, but better than using summet.ubuntu on my phone [14:33] ooo deep-thought I like [14:33] Guidebook is constantly out of date, it constantly tries to cache [14:33] gord, why's Guidebook better? [14:33] bigcalm, I keep forgetting that. Thanks. [14:33] summit doesn't fit easily [14:33] :) [14:33] gord, yeah, that's what I've fixed. It now does, beautifully :) [14:33] woo [14:34] my goal here is to kill guidebook stone dead and have people just use summit, because we can rev it more quickly and do what we want with it. [14:34] does summit have some javascript to auto-update as well? [14:34] not at the moment, no (although being able to hit "refresh" does that well enough, I think) [14:35] aquarius: the workplace day in Wolves is going fortnightly. Any more chance of getting you to join us? ;) [14:35] bigcalm, the issue is that most days I'm not really able to travel; I'm tethered here :) [14:35] gord, I'd only need auto-updating JS if summit also works offline, which is what I'm debating doing as my next piece of work on it [14:35] hence the questions :) [14:36] aquarius: the cafe has draft beer [14:36] heh. I'm not tethered here because this is the only place with beer in it :) [14:36] :P [14:39] It also includes the occasional pretty red-head. I get a ribbing from davmor2 every time I look up from my screen [14:41] now, that's just gonna distract me from work [14:41] hrm yeah, wifi.. especially since chances are, hotel room wifi is crap [14:41] i like to look up and plan my sessions in the morning before breakfast [14:42] bigcalm: you're calling aquarius a pretty redhead now? :P [14:42] o/ aquarius [14:42] you did the flat view? awesome, it was on my list to do that before -q [14:46] AlanBell, ya. Well, mhall and cjohnston did most of the work; I just added some tweaks. summit is now lovely on mobiles, yay [14:47] yay [14:47] I was going to do it as a nested

AlanBell, my first set of changes are in trunk now, which is nice. [14:48] it is nicer to read with orca like that too [14:49] OK, next survey question. If you're offline (let's say you're in a restaurant somewhere offsite at UDS), and you pull up summit (which now works offline), and summit knows that the data it's showing is five hours old *but* you don't have a network connection (and so can't refresh it), should it still tell you that the schedule is 5 hours old (and might have been changed in the interim) even if you can't do anything [14:49] about it? [14:49] yes [14:50] why? [14:50] (not necessarily disagreeing with you; just clarifying) [14:50] because i may assume that the device synced when i was in the hotel [14:50] but it didnt, and I dont know that [14:50] right. (Note: it will not do so. The one advantage of an actual native app over a website is that a native app can sync even when you're not looking at it.) [14:50] look at the email client on iphone [14:51] right at the bottom of your inbox is a date/time stamp of when you last synced mail [14:51] tis handy [14:51] popey, do you have a screenshot of said email client exhibitng that? [14:51] i do/can [14:51] (from google images is fine; it doesn't have to be yours, so you don't have to blur out all the email names etc) [14:52] see twitter [14:52] https://twitter.com/#!/popey/status/163635555500949507/photo/1 [14:53] gotcha [14:53] and the refresh arrow next to it will update that? [14:53] yes, or pull down [14:53] and the status changes [14:53] see twitter ☺ [14:54] https://twitter.com/#!/popey/status/163635960666521601/photo/1 [14:55] interestingly thats arguably an old app [14:56] ? [14:56] don't know what that means [14:56] it might not be the 'best' way [14:56] facebook shows the 'last updated' date time in the bit when you pull the UI down [14:57] https://twitter.com/#!/popey/status/163636826865807360/photo/1 [14:57] ya, FB on android does the same thing [14:58] which is probably preferable [14:58] but the stupid thing is that will trigger a 'get' [14:58] or at least try to [14:58] or give you some 'no network' error [14:59] although if you pull down and dont let go, but push back up, it doesnt update [14:59] only updates if you pull down and let go [14:59] I can handle that, though [14:59] it won't go and GET and then fail and give you a "no page available", no fear :) [15:00] ☺ [15:03] Summary question 3: the offline stuff will inevitably mean that you have to refresh the page a bit more often (because you'll get cached data more often). Is it a good idea that summit should work this way on all browsers (desktop and mobile), or just on mobile? [15:03] geez, steam for android eats up a lot of battery [15:11] wait, there's steam for android now? [15:11] (and not linux desktop) [15:12] aquarius: Does that necessarily have to be true? I mean if you're find you're online can't you fetch the data anyway and not rely on the cache? [15:14] penguin42, no. That's not how appcaches work. If you've appcached a page, then the browser gets it from the cache and doesn't even look at the internet. It will then, after it's displayed it, look at the internet to see if there's a newer version, and the result of that can be detected with javascript. [15:14] popey, its not steam steam, its really just an IM [15:14] you can't install mobile games with it or anything [15:15] aquarius: oh that's ok, if it displays the cached one, and then updates if it gets it; bonus points for displaying some indicator that it's updating [15:19] ah === daubers_ is now known as daubers [15:58] Is there a chat application that can be overlayed on OpenGL games? Like Raptr and Steam. === MH0- is now known as MH0 [17:16] [Tony] Amy and Andrew: Behind the scenes - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2012/01/28/amy-and-andrew-behind-the-scenes/ [18:35] can someone help me i want to install ubuntu on an old laptop running windows me. i don't think the disk drive is working and my other comps are macs [18:36] hello? [18:37] do you know if the laptop can boot off USB? [18:38] i don't think so i was in the bios earlier setting cd to first boot option and didn't notice anything about usb [18:38] it has a CD drive tho? [18:38] yeh and a floppy disk drive but i don't think the cd drive is working properly [18:41] I have no ideas :-| [18:41] you could try the CD anyway [18:41] ok thanx for trying === Anonymous is now known as Guest31514 [18:42] i did but it won't recognise there is a cd in the drive anymore [18:43] Guest32137, so you can't boot from any external media at all? [18:43] not that I'm aware of no. unless you know a way to use a floppy disc? [18:44] Guest37546: Does it have USB - just can't boot from it? [18:45] yeh [18:45] Guest37546: You *might* be able to do it with a Grub boot floppy [18:45] what is thet? [18:45] *that [18:46] Guest37546: Grub is one of the Linux boot loaders, you can get a premade image of Grub that you can write to a floppy, it can then boot off other devices - *if* the BIOS can see the other device [18:46] you're venturing into lands that require a high degree of technical expertise. as in "i'm a 7 year linux sysadmin, and wouldn't want to do any of the choices available to me" if i could avoid it [18:47] not forgetting holy water, a cockrel and vials of mercury [18:47] new question for Android people: why should I install cyanogen? Interested to hear people's reasons. :) [18:48] aquarius: Depends what on; it's more responsive and fixes some bugs in the standard install on my phone [18:51] bugs? [18:51] I like the "more responsive" thing, because that and battery life are the reasons I'm contemplating doing this, which is something I swore I wouldn't do :) [18:51] aquarius: Yeh, the standard ROM on the Orange San Francisco (Aka ZTE Blade) had the compass pointing 180deg out - as I found out the hard way [18:51] oh, right, I don't have that sort of bug :P [18:51] I'm not sure the battery life is great on cyanogen [18:51] aquarius: What does your phone currently have on? [18:52] stock Android 4.0 ICS [18:52] hmm if you're on ICS (very nice...) then I doubt there is as much gain [18:52] it's not very nice. It's slow and it eats battery. [18:52] My phone was on 2.2 when 2.3/2.4 was already out, hence it was a good upgrade [18:52] that's why I want to fix it :) [18:52] aquarius: Which phone? [18:52] Nexus S [18:53] aquarius: Well the other thing was my phone was cheap, so if I bricked it then I didn't have to worry too much; now a Nexus S I guess the decision is a little different [18:53] :) [19:07] aquarius, look at cyanogenmod as the biggest community android distro. usual reasons for replacing your bundled os apply [19:09] directhex, what usual reasons? [19:09] aquarius: i put cyanogen on an htc hero to get newer android and plain android so not sense UI'd [19:09] your bundled os is filled with sucky crapware and is old? [19:09] ya, but it isn't. I've got a Nexus S: it runs stock Android, and it's running ICS> [19:10] so 0 benefit [19:10] this is one of the reasons I'm resistant to new ROMs; I wanted to see whether eveyrone's reason for changing ROMs was "get rid of sense UI and crapware and get an upgrade" and so on, none of which apply to me [19:10] the google branded phones have current stock android [19:11] the reason I'm contemplating this (which I said I'd never do) is that I upgraded to ICS and I am dog sick of it being slow and clunky and eating battery like there is no tomorrow [19:11] there isn't much cost to trying a few different ROMs [19:12] there is if the custom rom is unreliable [19:13] the larger ROM projects are usually reliable [19:13] I just found out you can generate bitcoin vanity addresses :D [19:13] there's a time cost, at least. [19:13] and also a mental cost in having to understand a load of stuff that I don't want to [19:14] * Myrtti loves JuiceDefender [19:14] 1AZLPHRgfVgdSbwGeZAqrkjmskDTc2j7Uu valid address :D, probably will try and get 1AzeLphur* at some point but it'll take a couple days of crypto to get it [19:14] the time required should mostly be to root and flash, which is quick with AAHK [19:16] no. I also need to understand what a "radio" is, whether I need it, whether I need to download google apps separately, whether I need to "root" my phone, why I need to root it... [19:16] what "aahk" is, and so on :) [19:19] its not as complicated as you'd think, aahk is 'android advanced hack kit' which will root, install a bootloader with tools and flash a radio image for you. [19:20] my brain's already full, though. To learn new stuff I have to forget something ;-) [19:20] * aquarius vacillates about whether to install a new ROM. [19:20] after that all you need to do is to put the rom image on storage and flash it from the bootloader tools [19:21] jacobw: its not complicated, but it's extra stuff to put in the brain [19:21] aquarius: 'radio' is used to refer to the rom that manages the GSM chip. You probably don't need to do anything to it, but if you do then it'll be done automagically by whatever installs whichever rom you pick [19:21] aquarius wants to learn "cyanogenmod" but aquarius already knows four moves! forget a move to make room for "cyanogenmod"? [19:22] * aquarius laughs [19:22] haha [19:22] that's exactly how it is. I might end up forgetting how spoons work or something [19:22] aquarius forgot "mean look"! [19:23] basically, installing a new android rom now is like installing a linux distro a few years ago. A tad clunky, but relatively easy and hard to get wrong if you follow the instructions [19:24] it'd be cool if you could choose to forget something like removing service packs in XP in change for easy time learning something else [19:24] s/change/exchange [19:24] I am trying to forget SAP [19:24] BigRedS: the cyanogen mod forums are full of people who've managed to do it wrong :( [19:29] jacobw: yeah, because all the people who get it right don't feel the need to post :) [19:30] I've only bricked a single phone, and that was basically because I was using a dodgy usb extension lead. If you're less complacent than I was (which I guess you'll be) you'll be fine [19:30] just follow the instructions and don't assume anything [19:32] i need to try miui 2.1.20, i'm currently using cyanogenmod because miui 2.1.6 wouldn't boot for me [19:32] BigRedS: What did you brick? [19:33] my Galaxy [19:34] We even made up the special cable to unbrick it, but that didn't work either. I keep meaning to dismanlte it all over ebay [19:39] ouch; must be jtagable [20:22] unity just crashed when minimizing firefox again [20:23] except i'm doing a distro upgrade and it failed to restart [20:23] :( [20:23] so now i can't get to the upgrade window to see if it's finished or needs interaction [20:23] can you not unity --reset from tty0? [20:24] no, it crashed with segmentation fault [20:24] nice [20:24]