| micahg | do you people mind a new blender right before alpha2? someone is requesting a sync of 2.61 | 04:37 |
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| micahg | s/mind/want/ | 04:42 |
| kubotu | micahg meant: "do you people want a new blender right before alpha2? someone is requesting a sync of 2.61" | 04:42 |
| * micahg hugs kubotu | 04:42 | |
| holstein | micahg: i dont know enough to comment... its an LTS, but i go with your decision on that | 07:10 |
| micahg | I don't mind it after alpha2, it's just with alpha2 freeze Monday at 21:00, I wouldn't sync it unless the ubuntu studio devs approved since it's on your image | 07:11 |
| holstein | OH... i see... i was thinking an testing version of blender.. yeah, go for it | 07:12 |
| micahg | well, if the new version breaks the image, there isn't much time to fix it, that's why I'm hesistant | 07:14 |
| astraljava | holstein: Yeah, he wants someone to test the newer version, and _then_ say 'Yea we can have that!' :) | 07:16 |
| holstein | good point... theres not really a way to test it, is there? | 07:17 |
| micahg | well, more so someone taking the responsibility off my shoulders if something breaks :) | 07:17 |
| holstein | if it runs sucessful, does that mean it wont bread the build? | 07:17 |
| astraljava | ailo: len: Do you have the precise installs up and running? Can you install the newer blender from sid, and give it a go? | 07:17 |
| holstein | i have a 12.04 install, assuming i can figure out how to install that version | 07:17 |
| astraljava | micahg: And why would anyone do that, without the procedure I described above? :D | 07:17 |
| micahg | I'm fine writing in the bug to be sync'd after alpha2, the only reason to sync now is if you want the new version on the imge | 07:18 |
| astraljava | holstein: Oh! Yeah, can you do that, then? | 07:18 |
| astraljava | micahg: Understood. | 07:18 |
| holstein | astraljava: lets see if ailo / len pick it up... im slammed til wednesday looks like | 07:18 |
| astraljava | I would not want to do that either, unless we have someone who knows what to do with it, to say it's trusted. | 07:18 |
| micahg | I can throw up a "backport" for precise in my PPA if you like | 07:18 |
| holstein | micahg: who asked for it?... maybe we could just ask them | 07:18 |
| micahg | Bug #915248 | 07:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 915248 in blender (Ubuntu) "Please sync Blender 2.61-2 from Debian" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/915248 | 07:19 |
| astraljava | Mike, you on that? | 07:19 |
| holstein | dont know that person... | 07:19 |
| astraljava | I meant, can you ask on the bug? I've never used that app. | 07:20 |
| holstein | ill make some time tomorrow evening and check in... see where you guys are with it | 07:20 |
| holstein | i should have time to do it then... i gotta get horizontal | 07:20 |
| astraljava | That's a bit late for Alpha-2. Ok. | 07:21 |
| holstein | i played my 2nd electric bass gig in about 15 years ;) | 07:21 |
| micahg | also, being that it hasn't migrated to testing yet worries me (RC bugs were just fixed, but the new build was uploaded yesterday) | 07:21 |
| holstein | went late | 07:21 |
| holstein | so, its gotta be tonite? | 07:21 |
| astraljava | micahg: ACK | 07:21 |
| astraljava | holstein: No, it's not imperative. | 07:21 |
| astraljava | We don't _have to_ have it for Alpha-2. | 07:21 |
| holstein | cool... ill check in then... GN ! | 07:22 |
| * micahg will comment and subscribe and you guys can sort it out | 07:22 | |
| holstein | micahg: thanks for bringing it up... | 07:22 |
| micahg | no problem | 07:23 |
| astraljava | micahg: I asked on the bug, so we'll see. Thanks for the heads-up! | 07:24 |
| micahg | astraljava: you might want to subscribe to the bug so you get followup comments | 07:25 |
| astraljava | micahg: Am I not automatically getting them after a comment? | 07:26 |
| micahg | nope | 07:26 |
| astraljava | Oh ok, thanks! | 07:26 |
| micahg | and I wrote there that it shouldn't be syncd before alpha2 without and Ubuntu Studio dev ACK in the bug | 07:26 |
| astraljava | Right. | 07:27 |
| astraljava | micahg: How was the day-off? :) | 07:32 |
| micahg | heh, fine, thanks :) | 07:33 |
| astraljava | Good, good. :) | 07:34 |
| ScottL | micahg, i built the -settings, -look, and -icon-theme packages and installed them | 16:28 |
| ScottL | micahg, i did run into a problem installing them on an existing xubuntu install | 16:28 |
| ScottL | micahg, it was trying to overwrite an existing .xsessions (i think, i have screenshot) file | 16:29 |
| ScottL | micahg, i imagine that i'll need to do some bash in a preinst file to see if an .xsession file exist and then rename it | 16:29 |
| ScottL | micahg, along with a postrm to rename the original .xsession back to it's original name | 16:30 |
| ScottL | micahg, do have have any suggestions for an example...i'm just going to dig through some of the xubuntu code in launchpad to see if i can find examples | 16:31 |
| ScottL | micahg, although i seem to remember the -default-settings package had some preinst and postrm files | 16:31 |
| ScottL | 16:31 | |
| ScottL | micahg, as to the blender upgrade before A2... | 16:31 |
| ScottL | micahg, i don't think we gain much compared to the risk we take | 16:31 |
| ScottL | micahg, breaking an image is bad right before A2 | 16:31 |
| ScottL | micahg, and we still have the rest of the cycle to test the new blender | 16:32 |
| ScottL | micahg, for example, starting right after A2, correct? | 16:32 |
| ScottL | 16:32 | |
| ScottL | an interesting note about packages and building and such | 16:32 |
| ScottL | i think i learned a rather valuable lesson in testing the three new packages | 16:33 |
| ScottL | somehow the bzr code for -look didn't include me renaming the wallpapers directory | 16:33 |
| ScottL | and it wouldn't build for me in ppa | 16:34 |
| len | Hi, just woke up... I don't know blender well at all. And the Iso I have won't install. | 16:52 |
| ScottL | len, the mail list is showing a failure of the liveFS on the 64 bit | 16:53 |
| ScottL | tomorrow morning i'll bug cjwatson about this | 16:53 |
| len | Well the last iso I got had a bug that has been fixed. But then yesterdays iso didn't come (no build?) | 16:54 |
| astraljava | ScottL: The i386 mail says failure as well. | 16:54 |
| len | I figured both. | 16:54 |
| ScottL | astraljava, did it, i pushed several emails for the list but only saw the 64 bit :/ | 16:58 |
| ScottL | errr, did it? | 16:59 |
| len | Looking through that email I can't find a fail and the only error is a grub thing at the bottom | 16:59 |
| astraljava | Yes, it did. | 16:59 |
| astraljava | E: Unable to locate package ubuntustudio-font-meta^ | 16:59 |
| ScottL | astraljava, also,i'm having trouble with the new -default-settings package and maybe you can give me some direction | 16:59 |
| ScottL | http://imagebin.org/196207 | 16:59 |
| ScottL | this is when i try to install the new ubuntustudio-default-settings over an existing xubuntu-defrault-settings package | 17:00 |
| ScottL | i thought renaming the .Xdefaults file wouldl fix the problem and then i could install the new ubuntustudio-defaults-settings | 17:00 |
| ScottL | but it still gives me this error | 17:00 |
| ScottL | i'm going to remove xubuntu-defautl-settings later and see if i can isntall ubuntustudio-defaults-settings | 17:00 |
| ScottL | unless someone gives me a good suggestion otherwise | 17:01 |
| astraljava | Yeah. I think you need to do what you already described, since dpkg-divert is frowned upon. | 17:01 |
| ScottL | astraljava, rename or remove? | 17:02 |
| astraljava | The renaming thing. (sorry, on the phone..) | 17:02 |
| len | Will we be able to add any more apps after A2? It seems there are still some apps named in the work flows that are not there. | 17:09 |
| astraljava | Yes, it's possible, although we gotta be sure that they work, so that we won't lose the milestone in build errors. What are we missing? | 17:10 |
| len | audacity is one, I would have to go through and check more close for more. | 17:11 |
| len | That one happens to be at the top of the list. | 17:11 |
| astraljava | Yeah ok, that one is easy, as it's for sure in the archives. | 17:12 |
| len | It may be better to redefine the work flows. | 17:12 |
| ScottL | len, i haven't even thought about work flows and new seeds at this point | 17:13 |
| ScottL | the point is that i want to get A2 set with the xfce transition basically 99% there first and the live-dvd working | 17:13 |
| len | I will spend some time later and make a list... I may have to look for an older iso that I can load to check with. | 17:13 |
| ScottL | len, astraljava : i have audacity on my list to add, but i wanted to clean up the audo workflow first | 17:14 |
| len | The live dvd seems to be working pretty good. The only thing missing is RT. | 17:14 |
| ScottL | i promise it will be in there | 17:14 |
| len | Same on the install. | 17:14 |
| ScottL | len, i have the no -rt in live and after install on a list to talk with cjwatson about tomorrow | 17:14 |
| ScottL | len, is there anything else you notice that should be fixed | 17:15 |
| ScottL | please discount the crappy theme, this is because the -default-settings package isn't updated yet | 17:15 |
| ScottL | 17:15 | |
| len | I can see that. | 17:15 |
| ScottL | micahg, astraljava : i removed the xubuntu-default-settings package and installed ubuntustudio-default-settings package and it worked fine | 17:15 |
| ScottL | micahg, astraljava : is there a way i can handle that in the new ubuntustudio-default-settings package? in the control file or similar? | 17:16 |
| len | I need a new iso to check the default.desktop thing. | 17:16 |
| ScottL | i've never really had to worry about removing a package per se before, just saying that it conflicts with antoher pacakge | 17:16 |
| ScottL | len, you mean the lightdm bug that prevented x from starting? | 17:16 |
| len | yes | 17:17 |
| ScottL | aye | 17:17 |
| len | Since it was fixed there hasn't been a new iso. | 17:17 |
| astraljava | ScottL: I thought you had it figured out already. I would install an /etc/skel/.Xdefaults.ubuntustudio file, then in postinst rename the original, and then rename ours as that. | 17:18 |
| astraljava | Although, I must admit, I'm not sure what is the best practice. | 17:19 |
| len | Tried to look at blender on 11.04.. it seg faults. Maybe that is why I don't know what it is. | 17:19 |
| ScottL | astraljava, no, i meant i opened a terminal, renamed the package, and then tried to install our -defaults-settings | 17:19 |
| astraljava | I would assume as that, but then of course removing xubuntu-default-settings removes the wrong file. | 17:19 |
| astraljava | Hmm... | 17:19 |
| ScottL | astraljava, i was doing it very, very hacky | 17:19 |
| astraljava | ScottL: How exactly did you rename a package? | 17:20 |
| ScottL | astraljava, but i see your point about isntalling ours as .Xdefaults.ubuntustudio then changing in postin | 17:20 |
| ScottL | astraljava, i opened a terminal using 'sudo thunar', then found /etc/skel/.Xdefaults, right clicked on it, renamed to .Xdefault.original | 17:20 |
| astraljava | len: Micah thought (IIRC) that it might have been about that missing -default-settings package. | 17:21 |
| astraljava | ScottL: So you did not rename a _package_, but that file. And yes, obviously it would work then. | 17:21 |
| astraljava | dpkg refuses to overwrite an already existing system file. | 17:22 |
| ScottL | astraljava, the error was actually not saying that it didn't like overwritting a file | 17:22 |
| astraljava | dpkg-divert can work around that, but I forget why it is not recommended. | 17:22 |
| ScottL | it said it didn't like it because it was a file for xubuntu-default-settings (which was currently installed) | 17:22 |
| astraljava | ScottL: Err... yes it does, in that imagebin screenshot. | 17:22 |
| len | C U later, I am playing in an hour. Have to go. | 17:23 |
| astraljava | "...trying to overwrite '/etc/skel/.Xdefaults', ..." | 17:23 |
| ScottL | bye len , thanks again | 17:23 |
| ScottL | astraljava, ochosi is suggesting to use "replaces" in the control file...that should work no? | 17:24 |
| astraljava | ScottL: Yes, of course, but that then removes the whole xubuntu-default-settings package. I guess we can do that, but that does not get reinstalled, if user then wants to uninstall ours. | 17:24 |
| astraljava | But it might be a better option after all. I dunno. | 17:25 |
| astraljava | Will have to talk to a MOTU about it. | 17:25 |
| astraljava | ...or actually look for an example in other similar packages. | 17:26 |
| astraljava | ScottL: At least neither lubuntu nor xubuntu use replaces in their control files, but use postinst scripts extensively. Granted, there's not this particular case happening, but I think we should do something similar. | 17:34 |
| ScottL | astraljava, let's view this from two perspectives...1) a full install from ISO image and 2) a user "upgrading" from *buntu to ubuntu studio | 17:39 |
| ScottL | 1) i don't think using replaces matters then in this case | 17:39 |
| ScottL | 2) a user can remove and remove the ubuntustudio-default-settings package and then install *buntu-default-settings | 17:40 |
| ScottL | but i agree that #2 isn't a very friendly or automated process | 17:40 |
| ScottL | i think your suggestion about installing .Xdefaults.ubuntustudio and then renaming is a good choice | 17:41 |
| ScottL | astraljava, the ironically funny thing is that the file being overwritten is the same as the file doing the overwritting | 17:42 |
| ScottL | at least in this case (i.e. xubuntu -> ubuntustudio) | 17:42 |
| astraljava | Isn't any other flavor doing that? | 17:55 |
| astraljava | ScottL: If no other flavor needs that file, then we would test in postinst whether it exists, and if yes, then do nothing. If not, then install it. Simple as that. | 18:00 |
| astraljava | If the file is exactly the same as the one Xubuntu installs. | 18:00 |
| ScottL | for xubuntu it is the same because i used their packages as a starting point :-) | 18:03 |
| astraljava | ScottL: Yeah ok. | 18:03 |
| ScottL | i would expect others would have a .Xdefaults package though | 18:03 |
| ScottL | perhaps not ubuntu at some point (maybe already) since they are using unity and will move to wayland at some point | 18:04 |
| ScottL | but most likely kubuntu does i would guess | 18:04 |
| astraljava | Nope. | 18:06 |
| astraljava | $ apt-file search .Xdefaults | 18:06 |
| astraljava | xemacs21-support: /usr/share/xemacs-21.4.22/etc/sample.Xdefaults | 18:06 |
| astraljava | xubuntu-default-settings: /etc/skel/.Xdefaults | 18:06 |
| astraljava | I gotta look into what it actually does. | 18:07 |
| micahg | a simple replaces would work for overwriting the file, but I think we need a more generic solution | 18:07 |
| astraljava | micahg: Wouldn't replaces remove xubuntu-d-s first? It's a little overkill, IMHO. | 18:09 |
| micahg | no, breaks/conflicts would do that :) | 18:09 |
| astraljava | Oh, right. | 18:10 |
| astraljava | micahg: Why are we seeing this in the CD Image mail? E: Unable to locate package ubuntustudio-font-meta^ | 18:21 |
| astraljava | micahg: Package seems to be there, though. | 18:21 |
| astraljava | I notice there's the ^ indicating a task, but it's constructed exactly the same way as -desktop, and that seems to work fine. | 18:22 |
| micahg | I'll have a look in a bit, we missed today's image though | 18:22 |
| astraljava | Yeah, it seems to have worked up until 27th, for version 0.94. Yesterday it couldn't find the 0.95 version anymore, though I'm not actually sure when it has landed into the archives. | 18:26 |
| micahg | astraljava: I think it's ok for today | 18:47 |
| astraljava | micahg: Ok, there was just a random glitch, then. I suppose. Thanks! | 18:47 |
| micahg | we won't know for sure until today's images are published | 18:48 |
| astraljava | Are they rolled late today? | 18:48 |
| micahg | I don't think so | 18:48 |
| astraljava | Hmm... there were no directories in people.c.c/~ubuntu-archive/ for today. | 18:49 |
| micahg | are there any mails in moderation for the -devel list? | 18:51 |
| astraljava | I don't think so, Scott just recently cleared the queue, and then we saw yesterday's results. | 18:52 |
| ScottL | astraljava, cjwatson had set the ubuntu studio images to build later in the day for some reason, i can't remember currently | 19:09 |
| ScottL | i think it was to help make sure that something built before our to make sure it would build or similar | 19:10 |
| ScottL | micahg, should we install .Xdefaults.ubuntustudio, then rename .Xdefaults -> .Xdefaults.orig and .Xdefaults.ubuntustudio -> .Xdefaults? | 19:12 |
| astraljava | ScottL: No, it is back to around 1800 UTC now, but it only just got published. | 19:12 |
| ScottL | astraljava, oh, hmmm, maybe it was changed back when we switched to live | 19:12 |
| astraljava | micahg: Sadly, the same error is there today as well. | 19:12 |
| micahg | ok, I"ll dig further | 19:12 |
| astraljava | Thanks! | 19:13 |
| micahg | ScottL: I think the settings should be per login env, not per user, really both Xubuntu and US need changes for this | 19:13 |
| ScottL | astraljava, just checked listadmin again and we got new emails about the liveFS | 19:13 |
| ScottL | micahg, can this be done before A2? | 19:14 |
| micahg | ScottL: that I'm not sure, in the mean time, I think we should just add a replaces on xubuntu-default-settings for a2 | 19:15 |
| ScottL | micahg, that i can do :) | 19:15 |
| ScottL | i'll get this into my ppa and retest it | 19:15 |
| ScottL | then i'll push to bzr | 19:15 |
| micahg | ah, it can't find the task, not the package | 19:19 |
| micahg | I think I got it | 19:23 |
| micahg | umm, I should probably consult with cjwatson | 19:24 |
| micahg | asked in #ubuntu-devel | 19:32 |
| astraljava | Hmm... I don't fully understand the STRUCTURE file. | 19:46 |
| micahg | ok, I think we've got it, cjwatson will respin | 19:50 |
| astraljava | Yeah ok. It was just a notion. :) | 19:51 |
| micahg | astraljava: I don't understand it entirely either, that's why I wanted to consult with cjwatson, my understanding is a little better now though :) | 19:53 |
| astraljava | Heheh. :) Well, if you feel like sharing, please do. I didn't have such a pleasure. :) | 19:54 |
| ScottL | was the discussion in #ubuntu-devel ? | 19:58 |
| micahg | so, each line has a task with a list of tasks it depends on | 19:58 |
| ScottL | ^^^ the STRUCTURE file | 19:59 |
| micahg | graphics depends on font-meta in the graphics seed file, but wasn't set up that way in STRUCTURE | 19:59 |
| astraljava | Oh okay, now it makes more sense. Thanks! | 19:59 |
| ScottL | again, micahg , thank you very much for you help with studio! | 20:21 |
| astraljava | We have a new gift from Micah and Colin! :D | 21:04 |
| astraljava | Have at it, folks. I'm gonna watch the NHL All Stars game. :) | 21:04 |
| ScottL | astraljava, any idea how to make changes to the ubuntustudio-meta package? | 21:13 |
| ScottL | astraljava, specifically the -audio package where the rtprio.py is kept? | 21:13 |
| ScottL | we need to disable it or remove it as it's adding the limits.d file | 21:13 |
| astraljava | ScottL: I'll look into it, one second. Err... well, several. :) | 21:15 |
| ScottL | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/ubuntustudio-meta/precise/view/head:/rtprio.py | 21:15 |
| micahg | ScottL: debian/ubuntustudio-audio.install | 21:16 |
| ScottL | it's under 'ubuntu branches' | 21:16 |
| micahg | ScottL: what do you want done? | 21:16 |
| ScottL | micahg, i wanted to to either remove or comment out rtprio.py | 21:17 |
| micahg | ScottL: do you still want ubuntustudio-audio-rtprio.conf installed? | 21:18 |
| ScottL | micahg, it's adding lines to limits.d that have now been introduced into the jackd package but placed into a different file | 21:18 |
| ScottL | micahg, i don't think we need it anymore since jackd handles it | 21:18 |
| micahg | ok, I'll comment out both lines for the time being | 21:18 |
| ScottL | micahg, additionally, something has been apparently renamed the /limits.d/audio.conf file as /limits.d/audio.conf.disabled | 21:19 |
| ScottL | i'm not sure what is doing that though :/ | 21:19 |
| len | would guess the jackd package | 21:20 |
| len | I am downloading todays Iso. Will try it out and make a list of any apps missing for workflows as listed on thw workflow page | 21:22 |
| ScottL | len, but the jackd is what installs the audio.conf file, i wouldn't expect it to also .disable it as well, but i can look at the code though | 21:22 |
| ScottL | micahg, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/01/26/%23ubuntustudio-devel.html @04:23 is where they are talking about it | 21:22 |
| ScottL | if we don't keep the audio.conf file from being renamed to audio.conf.disabled then we don't have -rt privileges for the user (in the audio group) | 21:23 |
| len | I think it disables it unless rt is oked at install time. ubiquity doesn't let the user do that. | 21:23 |
| * ScottL is going outside with son for a while to push on swing :) | 21:23 | |
| len | We may want to do that with a postinstall script. | 21:23 |
| len | Maybe as part of a theme package? | 21:24 |
| micahg | not sure, I've got a meta upload pending, so just tell me what you need | 21:25 |
| astraljava | micahg: I suppose we can just drop them both, at the moment (in Scott's absence) | 21:29 |
| astraljava | ...so you get the upload done. | 21:29 |
| micahg | there's a postinst script at the moment I"m not quite sure how to clean up | 21:30 |
| astraljava | Ok, let me have a look too. | 21:30 |
| astraljava | micahg: It only deals with rtprio.py, which we're not installing per recent decision, so the postinst can go too. | 21:37 |
| micahg | right, I'm just wondering if we need a prerm to clean it up | 21:37 |
| astraljava | Ahh... sorry. I suppose so, when upgrading. | 21:38 |
| astraljava | if [ -e /usr/share/ubuntustudio-audio/rtprio.py ] | 21:43 |
| astraljava | then | 21:43 |
| astraljava | rm /usr/share/ubuntustudio-audio/rtprio.py | 21:43 |
| astraljava | fi | 21:43 |
| astraljava | micahg: Will that ^^ do? Otherwise just a copy of .postinst. | 21:43 |
| astraljava | Oh, that'd be in the upgrade case. | 21:44 |
| micahg | copy postinst and add that in for upgrade, ok, sounds good since it removes itself on upgrade anyways | 21:44 |
| astraljava | micahg: I have an incoming commit, but did you do changes to the branch? | 21:50 |
| micahg | which branch? I don't use branches for -meta changes like that | 21:50 |
| astraljava | Ahh... ok. How does that work, then? | 21:51 |
| micahg | I just download the -meta and update it | 21:51 |
| micahg | it pulls from the seeds | 21:51 |
| astraljava | Oh ok. So you'll do the changes we agreed above? | 21:51 |
| micahg | yeah | 21:52 |
| astraljava | Great! Thanks! :) | 21:52 |
| len | astraljava: The live DVD does not allow the install of an encrypted drive/partition. It seemed there was at least one party interested in that. Should that be filed as a bug? | 21:55 |
| len | The alt install allowed this. | 21:56 |
| astraljava | len: That sounds a bit strange. I'll ask from the Xubuntu guys first. | 22:00 |
| len | It does allow an encrypted home directory, but not drive/partition. | 22:01 |
| len | Ubiquity has three choices, use a whole disk, shrink current os partitions and use whats left or set your own partitions. | 22:03 |
| len | With the alt install, there were 5 or 6 choices and one was to encrypt the whole install (except for the /boot directory) | 22:05 |
| scott-couch | len, you were right about jackd | 22:05 |
| scott-couch | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/jack-audio-connection-kit/oneiric/view/head:/debian/jackd1.postinst | 22:05 |
| len | I took a look at the manual partitioning and there is no way that I can see to do that from there. | 22:05 |
| scott-couch | disables the .conf file | 22:05 |
| len | I figgred. | 22:06 |
| len | *figured | 22:06 |
| len | That probably also explains why the live dvd doesn't have RT | 22:11 |
| astraljava | len: Micah said ubiquity has only supported encrypted home, so that's not a regression in the package, only in functionality when compared to the alternate installer. :) | 22:18 |
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