[06:25] <alakhia> i upgraded to 11.10 ... and i'm seeing something pecular
[06:25] <alakhia> my desktop is showing all the icons from my home dir rather than ~/Desktop
[06:27] <alakhia> how can i go about fixing this?
[06:27] <alakhia> do not see any obvious setting
[06:30] <TheSheep> alakhia: try editing ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[06:30] <TheSheep> alakhia: and changing the XDG_DESKTOP_DIR
[06:37] <alakhia> ahhh, cool
[06:38] <alakhia> i'll probably have to log out and log back in to see if this worked
[06:38] <alakhia> thanks TheSheep
[14:32] <Marzata> is there a way to login another user in Xubuntu?
[14:33] <Marzata> in Xfce.
[14:41] <Marzata> ah, it goes via lock screen ... then login as new ...
[14:41] <Marzata> thank you!
[15:45] <xubuntu206> hi
[15:46] <xubuntu206> i am installing xubuntu right now
[15:46] <xubuntu206> does someone know how to make my computer faster with xubuntu
[15:47] <xubuntu206> this computer is a industrial pc with two 3ghz xeon processors on a eisa card and 4gb of ram
[15:48] <holstein> xubuntu206: i would say you will be impressed with the speed.. there are ways of loading linux in ram, like puppy linux does, but you should be fine.. you can always work with the hardware, getting faster hard drives or RAID or whatever
[15:49] <xubuntu206> it runs not bad but could be better, a my dualcore 1.86ghz hp laptop is faster
[15:49] <xubuntu206> its more processing speed that is lacking I have the idea
[15:49] <holstein> you are installing? so you are running it from the live CD right now? that will be slower running from CD
[15:50] <xubuntu206> I am installing it again, I used it the days before on this computer
[15:50] <holstein> you can look into 64bit vs 32bit... but i find its usually a trade off still, and that depends on if your hardware supports it
[15:51] <xubuntu206> ubuntu is quite heavy it does not slow down with time like windows
[15:51] <holstein> the operating systems are not comparable in my opinion...
[15:52] <xubuntu206> ok
[15:52] <xubuntu206> those dualcore processors are they pentium m based?
[15:52] <holstein> not sure... i suppose it depends on the manufacturer
[15:53] <xubuntu206> I really have the idea that my notebook at 1.86ghz is much faster then this pc, quite a pitty this is a nice computer very sturdy
[15:54] <xubuntu206> I also have a amd dualcore somewhere here but I need a videocard for it
[15:54] <holstein> i doubt that.. could be the graphics card support... could be bad hardware... you'd just need to troubleshoot and determine
[15:54] <xubuntu206> am2 socket do not know how fast right now
[15:54] <xubuntu206> the videocard in here is notrealy great
[15:55] <xubuntu206> it is a intergrated one, from another era lol
[15:55] <holstein> im an audio guy, and i see a lot of folk searching for speed and low-latency... usualy to the point of getting nothing done.. i say, just try and use the systems, and troubleshoot when you have time...
[15:55] <xubuntu206> 64..... stealth I have to check that
[15:57] <xubuntu206> I still have some pci videocards around here a hercules 3d propet 4000xt
[15:57] <xubuntu206> I can try if it is going to be faster with that one
[15:58] <xubuntu206> I have to reboot I will be back soon and I try my other video card
[15:58] <xubuntu206> byebye
[19:28] <ChristopherNg> Xubuntu with Pacman package manager will it ever happen?
[19:28] <ChristopherNg> or rather pacman style
[19:29] <knome> it's a different package structure, so pacman no
[19:29] <knome> something similar; maybe, if somebody builds something like that.
[19:30] <ChristopherNg> knome: yeah pacman itself is not feasible, but i meant something like pacman, perhaps someone has made it already and we just dont know where to find it?
[19:31] <ChristopherNg> knome: do you think xubuntu should trying to emulate Arch more than say Ubuntu?
[19:31] <knome> pacman is command-line
[19:31] <knome> ?
[19:32] <ChristopherNg> yes
[19:32] <ChristopherNg> but what i mean....
[19:32] <ChristopherNg> get away with that horrific software center..
[19:32] <knome> try apt-get ?
[19:32] <knome> don't use the software center.
[19:32] <knome> try apt-get for command line or synaptic for GUI
[19:32] <ChristopherNg> knome: i used apt-get all the time..
[19:33] <ChristopherNg> sudo apt-get install vlc/irssi/flashplugin-nonfree/etc/etc
[19:33] <ChristopherNg> its just that software center bugs me, I wish xubuntu would remove it.
[19:33] <ChristopherNg> or have it available in the repos if someone really wants it.
[19:34] <pleia2> you can uninstall it (I don't use it either, just apt-get for me)
[19:34] <knome> yeah, as pleia2 said
[19:34] <ChristopherNg> pleia2: from my experience uninstalling that actually causes more problems, ive tried and guess what? apt-get wasnt working properly on the lts
[19:34] <ChristopherNg> atleast that was a short while ago now
[19:35] <pleia2> ChristopherNg: do you have a bug report number?
[19:35] <ChristopherNg> no sorry
[19:35] <ChristopherNg> either way yeah its no biggie.
[19:35] <pleia2> if you dig it up it may be worth sharing, I've never really had trouble with apt-get
[19:36] <ChristopherNg> I just feel that xubuntu in general should try to emulate arch more than ubuntu.
[19:36] <pleia2> I don't see why, xubuntu is an ubuntu-based distribution
[19:36] <pleia2> not arch
[19:37] <ChristopherNg> yes but ubuntu is starting to look like an iphone more and more, arch is much more custom.
[19:37] <pleia2> if you want xfce in arch you can install it, and the themes for xubuntu come from the upstream shimmerproject.org
[19:38] <knome> ChristopherNg, xubuntu is still based on ubuntu. we will not try to emulate arch.
[19:38] <knome> ChristopherNg, that's not the goal for this project.
[19:38] <mongy> I really cant be bothered with config files anymore
[19:39] <ChristopherNg> knome: alright let me put it this way...
[19:39] <Shirakawasuna> you're not forced to use software center...
[19:39] <Shirakawasuna> I almost never use it
[19:40] <ChristopherNg> what ubuntu is now doing is basically, making everything overly simplisitic and its resulted in an os thats more and more like an iphone, it makes me cringe and whats worse is that while xubuntu is using the xfce gui...
[19:40] <Shirakawasuna> incidentally there's also apparently some wrapper script that lets you run pacman commands which actually passes them on to apt
[19:40] <ChristopherNg> there is no real attempt to increase the level of customisation of xubuntu over its ubuntu counterpart.
[19:41] <Shirakawasuna> I really don't feel any lack of customizability here, ChristopherNg, as an ex-archer
[19:41] <mongy> ChristopherNg, so you propose every distro of linux be the same?  this is why linux is not taking off.. sure it's great to have arch etc for those in the know, but lets face it, linux on the desktop has gone nowhere
[19:41] <Shirakawasuna> if anything I think there's a bit more because there are more packages available for ubuntu
[19:41] <ChristopherNg> Shirakawasuna: Well what do you like about xubuntu over say Arch?
[19:41] <ChristopherNg> other than the packages..
[19:41] <pleia2> this discussion is probably better in #ubuntu-offtopic, this is a support channel and this isn't really support
[19:42] <knome> ChristopherNg, you are correct, our goal is not to increase the amount of customization available in the GUI
[19:42] <Shirakawasuna> ChristopherNg: it breaks less often, more packages are available, and things work with each other more often (for whatever reason). I spend less time hunting down upstream bugs because they make things work with patches.
[19:42] <knome> ChristopherNg, what xfce ships us is fine, and for the other components, you can really just edit the config files.
[19:42] <knome> ChristopherNg, Shirakawasuna: i agree with pleia2 though, welcome to #xubuntu-offtopic
[19:43] <Shirakawasuna> indeed
[19:43] <ChristopherNg> fair enough, its was silent in here anyway but nvd
[19:44] <Shirakawasuna> I do have a support question though :). I'm using thunderbird and the 'new mail' indicator occasionally stays on even after I've checked all read messages. This only seems to happen with gmail accounts. Anyone else have this issue?
[19:44] <pleia2> I saw someone in some channel yesterday mention something similar
[19:44] <pleia2> Shirakawasuna: might want to search launchpad.net thunderbird bugs for similar reports
[19:45] <Shirakawasuna> it was probably me, but it was late at night so I'm asking again ;)
[19:45] <pleia2> ah ok :)
[19:45] <pleia2> my thunderbird doesn't do that
[19:46] <Shirakawasuna> I always wonder if it's some random config that a reinstall/config wipe would fix
[19:47] <ChristopherNg> someone asked a funny question to me the other day at my lug
[19:47] <mongy> Shirakawasuna, hmm, try adding a new user then
[19:47] <knome> ChristopherNg, well really, there are way to affect xubuntu development. start developing with us and take items and work for them.
[19:47] <ChristopherNg> knome: Im not really a programmer at all
[19:48] <mongy> Shirakawasuna, if this is an upgrade that is, just thought maybe using a fresh new users configs might give better results.
[19:48] <knome> you don't have to be a programmer.
[19:48] <ChristopherNg> knome: basically my history is that i started with Suse 8.2 back in 2003
[19:48] <ChristopherNg> i then took a few year break from linux and camem back over a year ago.
[19:49] <knome> yeah. though again #xubuntu-offtopic is the right place for this
[19:49] <ChristopherNg> ok
[19:49] <ChristopherNg> let me join
[20:15] <Shirakawasuna> good idea, I'll try that
[21:43] <ChristopherNg> Does anyone know how to get steam working on xubuntu?
[21:44] <mongy> had it working on reg ubuntu once.. just followed the wine appdb
[21:44] <mongy> installed some windows components with winetricks etc, went good.
[21:46] <ChristopherNg> was it smooth?
[21:48] <mongy> it worked
[21:48] <mongy> installed half life demo
[21:48] <mongy> have yet to actually buy and play anything properly in it
[22:42] <Tiktalik> hey
[22:42] <Tiktalik> how can I set the date
[22:50] <Alexyo> bonjour !
[22:50] <mongy> Menu > System > Time and Date
[22:51] <Alexyo> or hello perhaps..
[22:53] <mongy> hello
[23:16] <syddraf> I just installed Xubuntu on partion /dev/sdb2 over a Debian install (along side Windows 7 and Linux Mint 11), but Grub did not update to include the new install. How can I add an item to my grub menu to boot to /dev/sdb2 properly?
[23:47] <w30> syddraf, there is a update-grub2 command, Have you tried that?
[23:49] <syddraf> May all of the deities ever conceived by mankind bless you and your descendants, w30.
[23:50] <syddraf> I have been fighting with this for about an hour and a half.
[23:52] <Unit193> update-grub2 should be the same as update-grub (according to my manpage :P )