mhall119 | woohoo, community lens + LTP scope is working | 00:08 |
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davidcalle | mhall119, awesome! This is great :) | 00:09 |
mhr3 | thumper, all icons are now ;) | 00:24 |
mhr3 | anyway, time to sleep... gn | 00:25 |
thumper | cool | 00:27 |
mhall119 | what triggers cancellable to be is_cancelled? | 00:49 |
mhall119 | is it only useful for asynchonous results? | 00:50 |
jono | mhall119, you are working on a community lens? | 00:54 |
jono | that is awesome :-) | 00:55 |
mhall119 | jono: yup, now I just need to get with didrocks tomorrow and get some quickly packaging goodness | 01:00 |
mhall119 | unlike my first attempt, the community lens is very generic now, the locoteams scope is separate | 01:01 |
mhall119 | so we can plug in non-locoteams from Launchpad, events from google calendar, whatever | 01:01 |
mhall119 | even news from planet | 01:01 |
jono | mhall119, sweet! | 01:02 |
mhall119 | actually, a planet scope might be easy enough to bang out tonight | 01:03 |
jono | mhall119, I think I might have my U1 syncing plan all sorted | 01:03 |
jono | mhall119, cool | 01:03 |
TheMuso | Ooo a planet scope, nice! | 01:20 |
mhall119 | well that was easy: http://ubuntuone.com/5kGYzSMOlKtCfFxaIWeFJA | 01:42 |
agu10^_ | hey | 03:56 |
agu10^_ | wobbly windows aren't smooth | 03:56 |
snadge | ive been waiting for smspillaz to come back | 04:26 |
mhall119 | jono: did you see http://ubuntuone.com/5kGYzSMOlKtCfFxaIWeFJA ? | 04:28 |
jono | mhall119, nice! | 04:42 |
jono | I can't wait to see the community lens as it fleshes out | 04:42 |
mhall119 | jono: more on that tomorrow, hopefull didrocks will be able to help me get things packaged nicely for others to play with it | 04:50 |
mhall119 | and since it's 10 minutes until 'tomorrow' for me, I'm out | 04:51 |
jono | mhall119, night! | 04:58 |
jono | good work! | 04:58 |
Daviey | Hi, how can i make HUD not use alt? thanks. | 08:13 |
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Saviq | didrocks, hey, you're the packaging guru here, | 08:31 |
didrocks | Saviq: not sure about guru, but let's say that :) | 08:31 |
Saviq | didrocks, we will soon have a unity-2d-shell package that replaces unity-2d-launcher and unity-2d-places | 08:31 |
Saviq | and we need to sync that up with an update to gnome-session | 08:31 |
didrocks | Saviq: hum, any particular reason for that? | 08:32 |
Saviq | didrocks, yes, we merged the two components into a single one | 08:32 |
Saviq | well, are merging | 08:32 |
didrocks | Saviq: let's differ a little bit that | 08:32 |
Saviq | there's only one executable | 08:32 |
didrocks | Saviq: it's not what it in trunk, isn't it? | 08:32 |
Saviq | didrocks, not yet | 08:32 |
didrocks | Saviq: this week, we are releasing 5.2 | 08:32 |
didrocks | so I have frozen trunk | 08:32 |
Saviq | didrocks, we'll probably merge wednesday | 08:32 |
Saviq | didrocks, that's fine | 08:32 |
Saviq | I just want to plan ahead | 08:33 |
didrocks | the unfreeze but will be on thursday at the earliest :) | 08:33 |
didrocks | Saviq: yeah, do you need help to prepare that? | 08:33 |
Saviq | that's fine, then a MR will be awaiting that | 08:33 |
Saviq | didrocks, just wanted to know how would you approach taht | 08:33 |
Saviq | a simple Replaces: entry in debian/control? | 08:33 |
Saviq | and a version Req in gnome-session? | 08:33 |
didrocks | Saviq: we need 2 transitional packages | 08:33 |
didrocks | then, I'll hanle gnome-session | 08:34 |
didrocks | handle* | 08:34 |
didrocks | (if needed, didn't check) | 08:34 |
Saviq | yes, we need to modify ubuntu-2d.session to require unity-2d-shell instead of unity-2d-launcher and -places | 08:34 |
Saviq | didrocks, anywhere in particular I can read about preparing those transitional packages? | 08:35 |
didrocks | ah the binary, yes | 08:36 |
didrocks | Saviq: http://wiki.debian.org/Renaming_a_Package | 08:36 |
Saviq | didrocks, ok great, I'll have that as part of the merge, thanks | 08:36 |
didrocks | Saviq: subscribe me to it :) | 08:37 |
Saviq | didrocks, will do | 08:37 |
Saviq | didrocks, does this diff look sane http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/822323/ ? | 08:55 |
Saviq | hey greyback | 08:55 |
greyback | Saviq: Good morning | 08:55 |
dyams | greyback: morning | 08:58 |
Saviq | greyback, how's the temperature in Prague? | 08:58 |
Saviq | hey dyams | 08:58 |
greyback | dyams: hey | 08:58 |
dyams | saviq: hey | 08:58 |
tsdgeos | Saviq: it's cold even here :D 3º | 08:58 |
Saviq | tsdgeos, lol | 08:59 |
Saviq | tsdgeos, -10 here | 08:59 |
tsdgeos | well has 15º on thursday ;-) | 08:59 |
didrocks | Saviq: the diff looks sane, some comments: | 08:59 |
didrocks | - section for transitional packages should be oldlib | 08:59 |
didrocks | - remove the description for them and add "this is a transitional…" | 09:00 |
didrocks | Saviq: look at the netbook-launcher package as an example | 09:00 |
greyback | Saviq: my thermometer says -4, but it's gonna get colder during the week | 09:00 |
Saviq | didrocks, ok | 09:00 |
Saviq | lol AccuWeather says "sunny" for today, "sunny/cloudy" for tomorrow... | 09:01 |
Saviq | and then it's "bloody cold" for the remainder of the week :D | 09:01 |
Saviq | probably straight translation from "freezing" | 09:02 |
greyback | :) | 09:02 |
* greyback wants to go back to bed, only got 4 hours sleep :( | 09:02 | |
Saviq | but in the sense of "damn, it's freezing in here", not in "the water is freezing here" | 09:03 |
Saviq | greyback, had fun yesterday? | 09:03 |
greyback | Saviq: I had a really nice day, sat in a cafe with book, met friends for dinner, couple of beers, but nothing crazy | 09:04 |
greyback | Just one of those nights when my brain refuses to turn off | 09:05 |
Saviq | greyback, ah that one | 09:05 |
greyback | which means today I'll have a constant headache :( | 09:05 |
greyback | stupid brain | 09:05 |
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tsdgeos | nerochiaro: have a sec to talk about the getshape stuff? | 09:18 |
tsdgeos | s/talk/write :D | 09:18 |
nerochiaro | tsdgeos: sure | 09:18 |
tsdgeos | nerochiaro: i have to create new tests for shaping when we are in rtl mode | 09:18 |
tsdgeos | and i've been thinking it'd be easier if the getshape code returned the whole screen | 09:19 |
tsdgeos | instead of only the "region" there's stuff on | 09:19 |
tsdgeos | because at the moment, the image returned by getshape of the launcher in rtl and non rtl is just the same, a vertical stripe of black, but i think it'd make sense that there is white on the left/right of that stripe depening if you are in rtl or not | 09:21 |
nerochiaro | tsdgeos: unfortunately the getshape uses x11 functions that can return only the shaped region | 09:21 |
tsdgeos | not sure if i'm explaining myself/making any sense | 09:21 |
nerochiaro | it makes sense | 09:21 |
nerochiaro | what you can do is | 09:21 |
tsdgeos | sure, but i can do QDesktopWidget.width | 09:21 |
tsdgeos | or something like that | 09:21 |
nerochiaro | yes, probably easy to do it in ruby using IM | 09:21 |
tsdgeos | fill that with white and then what XShapeGetRectangles returns in black | 09:22 |
tsdgeos | IM= | 09:22 |
tsdgeos | IM? | 09:22 |
nerochiaro | imagemagick | 09:22 |
tsdgeos | ah | 09:22 |
nerochiaro | that's what i use to generate the verification images for most tests | 09:22 |
nerochiaro | you will find code in the shape tests that do pretty much what you need to do | 09:22 |
nerochiaro | just it does it to the verification images, not to the image returned by getshape | 09:23 |
nerochiaro | but the idea is the same | 09:23 |
Saviq | tsdgeos, nerochiaro yeah it makes sense for getshape to only return the shape of the window | 09:23 |
Saviq | and then paint that on top of a workspace-sized white background | 09:23 |
nerochiaro | i have no problem with that, it's just harder to do from QT | 09:23 |
tsdgeos | Saviq: but then you don't know where it's located | 09:23 |
tsdgeos | that is the important part | 09:23 |
Saviq | tsdgeos, it's x and y will be the window's x and y, no? | 09:23 |
Saviq | -' | 09:23 |
tsdgeos | yeah | 09:24 |
nerochiaro | ok, let me clarify something first | 09:24 |
tsdgeos | i just find it much easier to do in the cpp Qt code that hacking it on top in ruby with IM | 09:24 |
tsdgeos | it's like 1 line of .cpp code | 09:24 |
nerochiaro | tsdgeos: if the window shape has only a launcher on the right side, what do you get out of getshape ? | 09:24 |
nerochiaro | i mean, right now | 09:24 |
tsdgeos | it's wrong | 09:24 |
tsdgeos | white rectangle | 09:25 |
tsdgeos | because tries to paint a painter path on the right | 09:25 |
tsdgeos | and the bitmap is not wide enough | 09:25 |
tsdgeos | since you create the bitmap with width/height | 09:25 |
tsdgeos | but that does not account for the painterpath not starting at 0 | 09:25 |
nerochiaro | ah, i see. ok then if you know how to fix that, and you're ok fixing all the existing tests too, i'm ok with it | 09:25 |
tsdgeos | now we only need to convince Saviq ;-) | 09:26 |
Saviq | tsdgeos, rename the tool, then | 09:26 |
nerochiaro | i just did it the way i did it because it was simpler, but returning from getshape the full shape of the window isn't wrong | 09:26 |
nerochiaro | Saviq: why ? it does still get the shape | 09:26 |
Saviq | tsdgeos, or ignore me completely | 09:26 |
nerochiaro | Saviq: the shape and the position | 09:26 |
tsdgeos | Saviq: well, it returns you the shape, black on white | 09:26 |
nerochiaro | getshape sounds better than getpositionedshape ;) | 09:27 |
Saviq | tsdgeos, ok, go for it | 09:27 |
nerochiaro | just make sure you fix the existing tests. they will choke on it currently | 09:27 |
tsdgeos | sure | 09:27 |
Saviq | I'll make sure he does ;) | 09:27 |
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Saviq | didrocks, MR went your way, you'll have to check out the diff against --old=lp:unity-2d, 'cause parts of the changes went in earlier | 09:32 |
Saviq | didrocks, and I'll fix the missing "Architecture: any" for unity-2d-dbg in a separate MR | 09:32 |
Saviq | didrocks, thanks | 09:32 |
didrocks | Saviq: ok, thanks :) | 09:33 |
didrocks | Saviq: anyway, not before next thursday | 09:33 |
dyams | JohnLea: ping | 09:34 |
dyams | JohnLea: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-2d/+bug/855532 - Keyboard shortcuts displayed in overlay hint are only the ones mentioned in the gdoc. no? | 09:36 |
ubot5` | Launchpad bug 855532 in unity-2d (Ubuntu) "Keyboard shortcut - Add keyboard shortcut hint overlay that is displayed when a user presses and holds the Super key" [High,Confirmed] | 09:36 |
JohnLea | dyams; yes, the keyboard shortcuts displayed in the overlay hint should exactly match those in the google doc | 09:36 |
dyams | JohnLea: Ok, but there are few configurable keys too | 09:37 |
greyback | JohnLea: hey, can you point me to most recent mockups of the HUD please? | 09:38 |
Saviq | didrocks, that MR is going into unity-2d-shell, not lp:unity-2d | 09:38 |
Saviq | didrocks, so you can approve before then if/when you have time | 09:39 |
didrocks | Saviq: ah ok, I'll review when I get the time to do so :) | 09:39 |
didrocks | not right now, handling the unity release | 09:39 |
JohnLea | dyams; yes, if the user updates their shortcut configurations this should be reflected in the overlay hint. But by default the shortcuts should be the same as in the doc | 09:39 |
Saviq | and the whole thing will get into lp:unity-2d later | 09:39 |
Saviq | didrocks, sure, no pressure | 09:39 |
Saviq | didrocks, thanks again | 09:40 |
didrocks | yw ;) | 09:40 |
JohnLea | greyback; see https://chinstrap.canonical.com/~sabdfl/12_04/desktop_and_netbook/matrix/ | 09:40 |
greyback | JohnLea: blast, I missed that directory on my search. Thanks | 09:41 |
didrocks | greyback: hey, you didn't get any work done yet on multimonitor support, isn't it? | 09:47 |
greyback | didrocks: it's in progress, but nothing is in yet | 09:48 |
didrocks | greyback: ok, thanks for confirming :) | 09:48 |
Saviq | nerochiaro, sorry to be bothering you, but did we drop the new assets for panel buttons for now? | 09:52 |
Saviq | I remember you writing something to me on friday, but the details slipped my mind | 09:53 |
nerochiaro | Saviq: no we didn't, there's a sepate MR for them | 09:53 |
Saviq | nerochiaro, oh ok | 09:53 |
nerochiaro | Saviq: there's one MR for making hte buttons work in -shell, and one for adding the new assets, also in -shell | 09:53 |
Saviq | nerochiaro, ok thanks | 09:53 |
nerochiaro | Saviq: you're welcome | 09:53 |
Saviq | nerochiaro, can you point me to the one with the new assets? | 09:54 |
nerochiaro | Saviq: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-2d-team/unity-2d/unity-2d-shell-panel-newbuttons/+merge/90458 | 09:55 |
Saviq | I wonder why it doesn't show in unity-2d active reviews... | 09:55 |
nerochiaro | it shows in mine | 09:55 |
Saviq | hrmpf | 09:56 |
Saviq | now it's here.. | 09:56 |
Saviq | some caching issues, probably | 09:56 |
nerochiaro | Saviq: i think it's because gerry claimed it ? | 09:56 |
Saviq | nerochiaro, thanks again | 09:56 |
nerochiaro | anytime | 09:56 |
Saviq | nerochiaro, as I understand it we need to take over any fixes to those from you? | 09:58 |
nerochiaro | Saviq: well, i can help out if needed | 09:59 |
Saviq | nerochiaro, I assume you have enough on your plate | 09:59 |
Saviq | nerochiaro, we'll manage | 10:00 |
nerochiaro | Saviq: i do. they're pretty simple MRs anyways, so fixing should be simple | 10:00 |
Saviq | yup | 10:00 |
nerochiaro | Saviq: but feel free to poke me anytime if you guys have questions | 10:00 |
nerochiaro | it's not like i'm disappearing in a black hole | 10:00 |
nerochiaro | ;) | 10:00 |
Saviq | ;) | 10:00 |
Saviq | nerochiaro, can you just answer https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-2d-team/unity-2d/unity-2d-shell-panel-dash-buttons/+merge/90450/comments/195402 ? | 10:28 |
nerochiaro | Saviq: done | 10:30 |
Saviq | thanks | 10:31 |
Saviq | tsdgeos, just so you know, we have two MRs from Ugo that we need to take over fix-wise, and since I've been reviewing them... you're it! | 10:36 |
tsdgeos | ok | 10:37 |
tsdgeos | Saviq: urls? | 10:37 |
Saviq | tsdgeos, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-2d-team/unity-2d/unity-2d-shell-panel-newbuttons/+merge/90458 https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-2d-team/unity-2d/unity-2d-shell-panel-dash-buttons/+merge/90450 | 10:37 |
Saviq | tsdgeos, but focus on what you're doing now, nothing of huge prio there | 10:38 |
Saviq | greyback, standup? | 10:58 |
greyback | Saviq: yarp | 10:58 |
dyams | nerochiaro: ping | 11:05 |
nerochiaro | dyams: yes ? | 11:05 |
dyams | nerochiaro: multi monitor stuff with shell, shall we discuss it | 11:06 |
nerochiaro | dyams: yes, but we need Kaleo too. he was doing the tests for performance on the multimonitor stuff | 11:06 |
dyams | nerochiaro: ok | 11:06 |
dyams | kaleo: ping | 11:07 |
nerochiaro | dyams: and i don't know what results he got. and without the results we can't say if the solution we tried is good or not | 11:07 |
dyams | nerochiaro: ah | 11:07 |
dyams | nerochiaro: is it not a lot of work to bypass QDeclarativeView & depend on QGraphicsView directly? | 11:09 |
Kaleo | nerochiaro: still not done the performance testing | 11:11 |
nerochiaro | dyams: it turned out easier than expected | 11:13 |
dyams | nerochiaro: ah..nice | 11:19 |
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greyback | Saviq|afk: when you get back, I'm guessing were maintaining the dbus service filename as unity-2d-launcher.service because we're keeping the dbus service name com.canonical.Unity2d.Launcher ? | 11:27 |
greyback | Saviq|afk: tsdgeos: tiagosh's Home Lens work: lp:~tiagosh/unity-2d/unity-2d-shell-homelens | 11:31 |
greyback | depends on lp:~tiagosh/+junk/libqtdee-local-models | 11:31 |
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Saviq | greyback, tsdgeos: how can I count() the amount of objects returned by @app.Whatever()? | 12:30 |
greyback | Saviq: it returns an array, so can just use 'count' | 12:38 |
Saviq | greyback, .count? | 12:39 |
greyback | yeah | 12:39 |
Saviq | greyback, another thing - can I check for an object that doesn't have attribute x? | 12:39 |
greyback | Saviq: you can try checking for it, and use it in verify_not. The check will fail & throw an exception, which verify_not catches | 12:40 |
Saviq | greyback, let me rephrase - I want to find the first item in the launcher that is _not_ BFB | 12:40 |
Saviq | so it won't have the isBfb attr | 12:40 |
greyback | Saviq: sure, lemme see.. | 12:41 |
Saviq | and also... "@app.LauncherContextualMenu().QAction().count" yields "MobyBase::MultipleTestObjectsIdentifiedError: Multiple test objects found with rule: {:type=>"QAction"}" | 12:41 |
dyams | saviq: no object name is assigned to QActions | 12:42 |
Saviq | dyams, I don't care | 12:43 |
Saviq | at least not in the tests I'm doing | 12:43 |
dyams | saviq: QActions in context menu, i mean | 12:43 |
dyams | "@app.LauncherContextualMenu()..childrenCount? | 12:43 |
dyams | "@app.LauncherContextualMenu()['children'] ? | 12:44 |
dyams | saviq: ^^ | 12:44 |
greyback | Saviq: https://pastebin.canonical.com/59031/ | 12:46 |
Saviq | greyback, ok thanks | 12:47 |
greyback | Saviq: see the "Launcher hide delay on tile removal" test | 12:47 |
Saviq | greyback, yup | 12:47 |
Saviq | greyback, hmm, is the "if tiles.empty?" necessary there? shouldn't the verify() handle the case when there is nothing found? | 12:53 |
greyback | Saviq: true dat | 12:53 |
Saviq | greyback, okies | 12:54 |
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mhall119 | didrocks: ping | 13:12 |
didrocks | mhall119: yeah | 13:13 |
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mhall119 | hey, I got singlet upgraded to support unity 5 over the weekend | 13:13 |
mhall119 | and have a package in the scopes-packagers PPA | 13:13 |
didrocks | mhall119: yeah, I saw that, awesome! :) | 13:13 |
mhall119 | any chance you can look at it today and see if it's ready to go to REVU? | 13:13 |
didrocks | mhall119: not really, trying to get unity 5.2 out | 13:14 |
didrocks | mhall119: and I have no acceleration, which is an issue | 13:14 |
didrocks | (nvidia) | 13:14 |
mhall119 | :( | 13:14 |
mhall119 | I don't suppose you've had a chance to start a quickly template for it have you? | 13:14 |
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didrocks | mhall119: not really as well, it will be really hard this week :/ | 13:15 |
didrocks | mhall119: will try as soon as possible | 13:15 |
mhall119 | who else could help me? | 13:16 |
mhall119 | mterry? | 13:16 |
mterry | mhall119, quickly template for scopes? | 13:17 |
didrocks | mhall119: I can though use some unity testing help btw :) | 13:19 |
didrocks | hey mterry | 13:19 |
mterry | didrocks, hi! | 13:19 |
mhall119 | didrocks: tell me what to test | 13:23 |
didrocks | mhall119: can you update from ppa:unity-team/staging | 13:24 |
didrocks | mhall119: and tell me if it generally works :) | 13:24 |
mhall119 | hmmm.....this is going to make me less productive today....isn't it? | 13:26 |
kamstrup | any unity-2d guy looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-2d/+bug/761851 ? | 13:27 |
ubot5` | Launchpad bug 761851 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Software Centre - automatically add app icon to launcher" [Medium,In progress] | 13:27 |
didrocks | mhall119: well, this will help getting a new unity earlier and spot issues | 13:28 |
didrocks | mhall119: jorge did that normally, not sure if you are supposed to do it | 13:28 |
mhall119 | didrocks: dist-upgrading now | 13:28 |
didrocks | thanks :) | 13:28 |
mhall119 | if I suddenly get real quiet, things have gone horribly wrong | 13:28 |
* mhall119 feels so dangerous running from the staging ppa | 13:29 | |
mhall119 | didrocks: you guys didn't change the lens api again with this release did you? | 13:30 |
Saviq | tsdgeos, aren't you doing "Port input_shaping..." as part of your RTL test work? | 13:30 |
didrocks | mhall119: I'm not the one changing it :) | 13:31 |
didrocks | mhr3: kamstrup ^^ | 13:31 |
mhall119 | Unpacking replacement python-dbus ... | 13:31 |
mhall119 | Selecting previously unselected package python-dbus-dev. | 13:31 |
mhall119 | Unpacking python-dbus-dev (from .../python-dbus-dev_1.0.0-1ubuntu1_all.deb) ... | 13:31 |
mhall119 | (Reading database ... 399051 files and directories currently installed.) | 13:31 |
mhall119 | Removing ubuntu-desktop ... | 13:31 |
mhall119 | Removing unity ... | 13:31 |
mhall119 | Processing triggers for man-db ... | 13:31 |
mhall119 | is that right? | 13:31 |
mhr3 | mhall119, why would we do such nasty things to you? :) | 13:31 |
mhall119 | mhr3: because I keep asking for things like categories over dbus | 13:32 |
mhr3 | mhall119, we can't didrocks would kill us for breaking the api then :P | 13:33 |
didrocks | mhr3: hum removing unity, doesn't seem right | 13:33 |
didrocks | mhall119: ^ | 13:33 |
kamstrup | right, libunity is not just frozen, it has entered permafrost ;-) | 13:33 |
didrocks | mhall119: try install it to see what's happening | 13:34 |
mhall119 | mterry: sorry, missed your reply earlier | 13:37 |
mhall119 | mterry: yes, quickly template for lenses/scopes, using Singlet | 13:38 |
mterry | mhall119, I don't have any time right now to help create that, but I could provide pointers? | 13:38 |
mhall119 | mterry: that would be appreciated, thanks | 13:39 |
mhall119 | not sure if I'll be able to do much on my own, but I'll take a look anyway | 13:39 |
mterry | mhall119, do you want the help now or later, when you start working on it? | 13:39 |
mhall119 | mterry: if you have anything I can read later, I'll take that now | 13:40 |
mhall119 | I likely won't have time to work on it today | 13:40 |
mterry | mhall119, I don't think we actually have any nice documentation for writing new templates. didrocks? | 13:41 |
didrocks | mterry: no, apart from my blog psot | 13:41 |
didrocks | post* | 13:41 |
mhall119 | the only documentation I know of simply says "ask didrocks" | 13:41 |
didrocks | I wanted to help mhall119 doing that, it's just that I can't this week | 13:41 |
didrocks | mhall119: there is one, describing the system | 13:41 |
didrocks | http://blog.didrocks.fr/post/Build-your-application-quickly-with-Quickly:-Inside-Quickly-part-1 | 13:42 |
didrocks | part 6 | 13:42 |
didrocks | "creating templates" | 13:42 |
mhall119 | didrocks: cool, thanks | 13:43 |
didrocks | yw | 13:43 |
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mhall119 | didrocks: well, dist-upgrade finished and nothing exploded | 13:50 |
mhall119 | I guess I should reboot, huh? | 13:51 |
tsdgeos | Saviq: no, i'm actually not doing that, but should be easy | 13:51 |
didrocks | mhall119: hum, wasn't it telling that unity was uninstalled? | 13:51 |
mhall119 | yeah | 13:51 |
Saviq | tsdgeos, sure, and since you're dug into that anyway, will you do that please? | 13:51 |
didrocks | you shouldn't reboot then :) | 13:51 |
mhall119 | mhall@mhall-laptop:~$ uni | 13:51 |
mhall119 | unicode_start units unity-window-decorator | 13:51 |
mhall119 | unicode_stop unity-2d-launcher unix2dos | 13:51 |
mhall119 | uniconvertor unity-2d-panel unix2mac | 13:51 |
mhall119 | unify unity-2d-places unix_chkpwd | 13:51 |
didrocks | 14:34:00 didrocks | mhall119: try install it to see what's happening | 13:51 |
mhall119 | uniq unity-2d-spread unix_update | 13:52 |
tsdgeos | Saviq: sre | 13:52 |
mhall119 | unit-get unity-greeter | 13:52 |
mhall119 | mhall@mhall-laptop:~$ which unity | 13:52 |
mhall119 | mhall@mhall-laptop:~$ | 13:52 |
didrocks | reinstall unity and see what it is telling you | 13:52 |
mhall119 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: unity : Depends: libnux-abiversion-20111214 | 13:52 |
mhall119 | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. | 13:52 |
didrocks | mhall119: apt-cache policy unity ? | 13:52 |
mhall119 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/822549/ | 13:53 |
mhall119 | conflicts with the HUD ppa? | 13:53 |
didrocks | yeah | 13:54 |
didrocks | apt-get install unity=5.0.0+bzr1879ubuntu0+622 | 13:54 |
mhall119 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: unity : Depends: unity-common (= 5.0.0+bzr1879ubuntu0+622) but 5.1.0-hud2 is to be installed | 13:55 |
didrocks | apt-get install unity=5.0.0+bzr1879ubuntu0+622 unity-common=5.0.0+bzr1879ubuntu0+622 | 13:57 |
didrocks | and so on :) | 13:57 |
mhall119 | didrocks: that seems to have worked | 14:00 |
mhall119 | does this mean I'll be losing the HUD? | 14:00 |
didrocks | mhall119: yeah | 14:00 |
didrocks | it's not in the 5.2 release | 14:00 |
mhall119 | I'd be sad, but honestly I didn't use it much | 14:00 |
gord | didrocks, we can push out a new hud ppa version later in the week right? | 14:04 |
gord | based on 5.2 | 14:04 |
didrocks | gord: indeed | 14:05 |
mhall119 | \o/ | 14:06 |
cyphermox | dbarth: too late to fix the korean IM/ibus bug in oneiric and precise? :) | 14:06 |
cyphermox | (I mean, did someone fix it yet? I have something that seems to work properly) | 14:06 |
mhall119 | didrocks: if the current 5.2 updates land, will it break things for people using the HUD ppa? | 14:06 |
didrocks | mhall119: yeah, it won't work anymore, we will update the ppa for it | 14:07 |
didrocks | mhall119: did you restart successfully? | 14:08 |
mhall119 | didrocks: not yet, I'll let you know when I do | 14:08 |
mhall119 | didrocks: by "break things" I didn't mean just that HUD stops working, I meant package dependency breakage like I had | 14:09 |
didrocks | mhall119: yeah | 14:09 |
didrocks | mhall119: but we don't support 2 unstable ppas | 14:09 |
mhall119 | still might be a good idea to send out a warning so people know, and the commands to fix it | 14:09 |
didrocks | mhall119: we will in the call for testing, asking to purge the hud ppa first | 14:12 |
mhall119 | cool | 14:12 |
tsdgeos | Saviq: ping | 14:14 |
Saviq | tsdgeos, pong | 14:15 |
tsdgeos | Saviq: not sure i can do the port to whole guest/target thing | 14:15 |
tsdgeos | Saviq: we are using http://projects.developer.nokia.com/dav/Testabilitydriver/doc/api/qt_windows/#QtSUT:execute_shell_command that does not seem to return the exit status of the command, which nerochiaro was using | 14:15 |
Saviq | oh | 14:15 |
Saviq | craps | 14:16 |
Saviq | greyback, ^ | 14:16 |
Saviq | tsdgeos, well, we could abuse it by going `... && echo $?` | 14:17 |
Saviq | not that I'd like that | 14:17 |
tsdgeos | Saviq: but i don't think it'll work if it's a remote stuff | 14:17 |
Saviq | tsdgeos, so yeah | 14:17 |
Saviq | tsdgeos, getshape needs to print its output to stdout | 14:17 |
tsdgeos | it does | 14:18 |
Saviq | tsdgeos, then all the imagick comparison stuff should happen locally | 14:18 |
Saviq | not remotely | 14:18 |
tsdgeos | it's not getshape i'm concerned about | 14:18 |
tsdgeos | why? | 14:18 |
Saviq | 'cause you might not want to have imagick on the other side | 14:18 |
Saviq | just run getshape remotely | 14:19 |
Saviq | and the rest locally | 14:19 |
tsdgeos | ok, then getshape does not outout to stdout | 14:19 |
Saviq | that's what I thought | 14:19 |
tsdgeos | as in what you meant as output :D | 14:19 |
Saviq | it should | 14:19 |
tsdgeos | it has some otuput to stdout | 14:19 |
Saviq | or you can maybe grab a file from the other side? | 14:19 |
Saviq | but I'd rather it just have an output file of "-" that will feed the image data to stdout | 14:20 |
Saviq | and you can then deal with it locally | 14:20 |
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tsdgeos | ok, i can do that | 14:21 |
tsdgeos | just pushed the rtl stuff | 14:21 |
tsdgeos | it is working | 14:21 |
tsdgeos | but | 14:21 |
tsdgeos | i have a off by one somewhere | 14:22 |
tsdgeos | because if you open the dash you see it overlap the launcher | 14:22 |
tsdgeos | by one pixel | 14:22 |
Saviq | you should be able to catch that with tdriver, no? | 14:22 |
Saviq | _visualizer, that is | 14:23 |
tsdgeos | catch what? | 14:23 |
tsdgeos | i can see it :D | 14:23 |
tsdgeos | or you mean check the x, y values tehre? | 14:24 |
Saviq | tsdgeos, I mean you can catch where the problem is | 14:25 |
Saviq | greyback, so... my "The application with Id 2102 is no longer available..." errors seem to be spread-related | 14:25 |
Saviq | doesn't $SUT.run require the app to become visible within the timeout provided? | 14:26 |
burli | If I want to develop Apps for Tablet and Smartphone, what is the recommended Language and Toolkit? | 14:29 |
burli | I mean for Ubuntu Tablets | 14:31 |
Saviq | burli, there is a Ubuntu Tablet out there? where? | 14:32 |
mhall119 | burli: any of the languages and toolkits supported by Ubuntu will, in all likelyhood, be supported by Ubuntu on tablets and phones when they come out | 14:32 |
burli | Saviq, not yet. But for the future | 14:33 |
mhall119 | it's hard to give definitive answers, since we just plain don't know yet | 14:33 |
burli | mhall119, so I can use Python and Qt/QML | 14:33 |
Saviq | burli, no idea then, nothing was decided about that, AFAIK | 14:33 |
mhall119 | burli: most likely, yes | 14:33 |
burli | and what I have to do if the app should appear in the software center? | 14:34 |
mhall119 | though having a bunch of python apps on a phone's hardware may not be the best user experience | 14:34 |
mhall119 | burli: you'll need to submit it | 14:34 |
greyback | Saviq: I didn't think it had anything to do with visibility. Does /logs/testability/qttasserver.log have anything that looks relevant? | 14:34 |
greyback | Saviq: can you point me to tests which fail this way, so I can have a look? | 14:34 |
mhall119 | burli: http://developer.ubuntu.com/ has all the information about building apps for Ubuntu and getting them into Software Center | 14:35 |
burli | mhall119, thx | 14:35 |
mhall119 | burli: we'll also be holding a 3-day developer workshop in #ubuntu-classroom starting tomorrow | 14:35 |
burli | ah, ok. | 14:35 |
mhall119 | burli: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek | 14:35 |
mhall119 | you should attend some of the sessions if you can | 14:35 |
burli | I try | 14:35 |
burli | mhall119, which language and toolkit would YOU use or recommend for Smartphones and Tablets? | 14:36 |
mhall119 | well, I'm a Python dev, so that's usually my go-to language | 14:37 |
mhall119 | but an interpreted language on limited hardware may not work as well as on desktops | 14:37 |
mhall119 | so probably Vala, if not C/C++ | 14:37 |
burli | hm, I have no Vala experience and I don't like GTK | 14:38 |
mhall119 | QT/QML will very likely be available | 14:38 |
burli | for Vala? | 14:38 |
burli | Great | 14:38 |
mhall119 | Vala is a lot like Java and C#, but it get's compiled down to a native binary | 14:39 |
burli | yes, afaik it's compiled to C. | 14:39 |
burli | I guess, I'll take a look | 14:40 |
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burli | mhall119, do you have some reference for Vala and Qt? | 14:46 |
mhall119 | burli: I don't, sorry | 14:48 |
mhall119 | like I said, I'm a python dev | 14:49 |
Saviq | greyback, places-tests | 14:50 |
Saviq | greyback, the output is: | 14:50 |
greyback | Saviq: ok, will check them out | 14:50 |
Saviq | greyback, here's some logs http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/822621/ | 14:54 |
mhall119 | can I get a couple of you guys to review and upload my unity-singlet package to the precis universe? https://launchpad.net/~scopes-packagers/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/2207463/+listing-archive-extra | 14:56 |
mhall119 | didrocks: ^^ | 14:56 |
greyback | Saviq: well I can reproduce anyway, but still digging as to why | 14:56 |
didrocks | mhall119: again, I really can't doing that before unity is released as I told you last week, is there in emergency? | 14:57 |
didrocks | any* | 14:57 |
mhall119 | didrocks: no, just wanted to keep the ball rolling | 14:57 |
tsdgeos | Saviq: greyback: i'm ultra confused, i have http://paste.kde.org/~tsdgeos/196532/ and out contains nothing, any idea why? | 14:58 |
didrocks | mhall119: please, be patient :) | 14:58 |
mhall119 | :) | 14:58 |
Saviq | tsdgeos, oh, that's bad | 14:58 |
tsdgeos | wait | 14:58 |
tsdgeos | probably the command is not even being executed | 14:58 |
tsdgeos | i changed getshape to lalsaaslfsa | 14:59 |
tsdgeos | and nothing complained | 14:59 |
Saviq | tsdgeos, yeah, ruby seems to do that to me, too | 14:59 |
* Saviq is going to check out / verify multimonitor support in shell, expect me being away for some time | 15:00 | |
greyback | Saviq: testability not happy with spread for some reason, it is executing it, but fails to connect somehow | 15:02 |
greyback | Saviq: https://pastebin.canonical.com/59043/ | 15:02 |
greyback | Saviq: since that test doesn't need to inspect the application, can just run spread with $SUT.execute_shell_command as a workaround until I can delve more | 15:03 |
Saviq | greyback, I worked it around fine, just wanted to let you know that happens | 15:03 |
greyback | Saviq: thanks. Yeah I'm confused about that | 15:04 |
greyback | tsdgeos: look at /logs/testability/qttasserver.log, it might have a clue | 15:04 |
tsdgeos | greyback: well i guess some "i don't know ruby at all" mistake | 15:04 |
tsdgeos | shuffled variables around and it works now | 15:04 |
tsdgeos | D: | 15:04 |
greyback | tsdgeos: execute_shell_command is very dodgy. Don't use > < or & | 15:05 |
greyback | tsdgeos: is bug, the string needs to be xml-escaped | 15:05 |
greyback | the log help you figure out what string the server is actually executing | 15:06 |
greyback | note also commands run in a QProcess | 15:06 |
dbarth | cyphermox: i haven't had contacts with bschaefer on that bug for a while | 15:06 |
cyphermox | dbarth: ok, I was looking into it, but I've been testing my "fix" more this morning and it fails for some languages, so it's no good | 15:06 |
dbarth | cyphermox: can you ask him and also ping thumper about to make sure it pops on htheir radar for 5.4 | 15:07 |
cyphermox | sure. when do they usually come online? | 15:07 |
dbarth | cyphermox: have you also checked how the network indicator refreshes the network list with dbusmenu? did you get rid of the "flashing"? | 15:07 |
cyphermox | dbarth: next on my list. I was technically on +1 maint this month | 15:08 |
cyphermox | dbarth: got a good idea on how to fix it, just didn't finish implementing the fix yet | 15:09 |
cyphermox | (also, tbh, the flashing happens because dbusmenu can't handle the menu changing, this was working just fine for however many years we've had nm-applet implemented with a GtkStatusIcon) | 15:10 |
cyphermox | but I'll work around that by updating the menu differently | 15:10 |
mhall119 | okay, here goes the reboot into Unity 5.2... | 15:14 |
mhall119 | didrocks: so 5.2 isn't working so well for me | 15:40 |
didrocks | mhall119: what doesn't work? | 15:41 |
mhall119 | unity | 15:41 |
mhall119 | seems to be crashing | 15:41 |
didrocks | can you get a traceback, please? | 15:42 |
mhall119 | didrocks: where would I get that? | 15:46 |
didrocks | mhall119: run compiz under gdb, but you need to rebuild with debug symbol. I'm sure an unity dev can help you there ^ | 15:47 |
seb128 | mhall119, can you pastebin your .xsession-errors? | 15:47 |
mhall119 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/822691/ | 15:48 |
mhall119 | seb128: ^^ | 15:48 |
seb128 | compiz: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/compiz/libunityshell.so: undefined symbol: _ZN5unity4dash8HomeLensC1ERKSsS3_S3_ | 15:48 |
seb128 | it's the same issue I had | 15:48 |
seb128 | mhall119, update libunity-core | 15:48 |
didrocks | missing libunitycore | 15:48 |
seb128 | didrocks, libunity-core-5.0-5 | 15:48 |
seb128 | didrocks, see, I'm not alone running into it :p | 15:48 |
seb128 | ups | 15:49 |
seb128 | mhall119, libunity-core-5.0-5 | 15:49 |
mhall119 | seb128: apt said I already have it | 15:49 |
seb128 | mhall119, dpkg -l | grep libunity-core-5.0-5 | 15:49 |
seb128 | mhall119, ldd /usr/lib/compiz/libunityshell.so | grep libunity | 15:49 |
didrocks | seb128: well, don't ask for miracle from autogenerated packages :) | 15:50 |
mhall119 | mhall@mhall-laptop:~$ ldd /usr/lib/compiz/libunityshell.so | grep libunity libunity-misc.so.4 => /usr/lib/libunity-misc.so.4 (0xb65c8000) libunity-core-5.0.so.5 => /usr/lib/libunity-core-5.0.so.5 (0xb6485000) | 15:50 |
seb128 | mhr3, what about the dpkg -l ? | 15:51 |
mhr3 | mhall119, ^^ | 15:51 |
mhall119 | one second, doing this all from byobu | 15:51 |
seb128 | mhr3, sorry | 15:51 |
mhall119 | ii libunity-core-5.0-5 5.1.0-hud2 Core library for the Unity interface. | 15:52 |
mhall119 | mha | 15:52 |
mhall119 | dbarth: I may be late to our call | 15:52 |
seb128 | doh | 15:52 |
mhall119 | didrocks: seb128: what's the fastest way for me to get a working unity again? | 15:52 |
mhall119 | oh, is this hud stuff again? | 15:53 |
seb128 | mhall119, sudo apt-get install libunity-core-5.0-5=5.0.0+bzr1880ubuntu0+623 | 15:53 |
didrocks | mhall119: indeed, do what seb128 told ^ | 15:53 |
seb128 | yes | 15:53 |
didrocks | and probably | 15:53 |
seb128 | the hud version is newer than the 5.2 candidate one | 15:53 |
didrocks | unity-services | 15:53 |
seb128 | mhall119, or ppa-purge the hud | 15:53 |
mhall119 | what's the command to purge the hud ppa? | 15:55 |
seb128 | mhall119, ppa-purge? | 15:57 |
mhall119 | yay! got a working Unity again | 15:59 |
mhall119 | I don't have a ppa-purge | 15:59 |
mhall119 | just moved the files from sources.list.d | 15:59 |
dbarth | mhall119: my other call is running out of schedule as well | 16:03 |
mhall119 | dbarth: they got me all fixed up now, so I'm ready anytime you are | 16:04 |
mhall119 | didrocks: seb128: thanks for the help\ | 16:04 |
didrocks | yw :) | 16:04 |
mhall119 | didrocks: was this the testing you wanted, or do you need me to do something now that my hud-dependency-hell is resolved? | 16:04 |
didrocks | mhall119: just testing and telling me if you discover new issues | 16:05 |
didrocks | mhall119: we will surely have one additional commit going | 16:05 |
didrocks | if everything is fine then, this will become 5.2 | 16:05 |
mhall119 | didrocks: ok, will do | 16:05 |
mhall119 | any fun new toys for me to play with in 5.2? | 16:05 |
dbarth | mhall119: ping | 16:07 |
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Saviq | I hate wifis... | 16:12 |
Saviq | <Saviq> tsdgeos, you will probably know - how can I update the screen number as returned from QX11Info::appScreen()? | 16:12 |
Saviq | <Saviq> tsdgeos, regardless of the fact that I actually move the window to the left/topmost screen | 16:12 |
Saviq | <Saviq> which is, for example, screen 1 when default screen is not the left/topmost | 16:12 |
Saviq | <Saviq> QX11Info::appScreen() returns 0, which breaks some stuff | 16:12 |
Saviq | <Saviq> I wonder if that's related to the window being a dock :/ | 16:13 |
Saviq | <Saviq> nope, doesn't look like it | 16:13 |
Saviq | <Saviq> Kaleo, greyback, maybe you guys will know ^ ? | 16:13 |
tsdgeos | Saviq: you mean appScreen always returns the same wheter screen the window is in? | 16:14 |
Saviq | tsdgeos, yes | 16:14 |
Saviq | tsdgeos, QDesktopWidget::screenNumber(QPoint(0,0)) returns 1 | 16:15 |
Saviq | so I move the window to availableGeometry(1).topLeft() | 16:15 |
Saviq | but appScreen still returns 0 | 16:15 |
Saviq | :/ | 16:15 |
tsdgeos | yeah well, i would not trust appScreen much | 16:15 |
tsdgeos | there's some methods that actually accpet a window | 16:15 |
tsdgeos | those seem safer | 16:15 |
Saviq | oh that's a good idea | 16:16 |
tsdgeos | QDesktopWidget::screenNumber() | 16:16 |
Saviq | tsdgeos, and how do I get current app's root widget again?\ | 16:17 |
tsdgeos | you can't | 16:17 |
tsdgeos | there's no a "root widget" per se | 16:17 |
Saviq | tsdgeos, please take a look at screeninfo.cpp:93 | 16:18 |
Saviq | tsdgeos, what would you do there? | 16:18 |
Saviq | instead of appScreen()? | 16:18 |
tsdgeos | Saviq: make ScreenInfo have a QWidget mebmer so you could ask use QDesktopWidget::screenNumber :D | 16:20 |
tsdgeos | i mean we use ScreenInfo always associated to a widget, no? | 16:20 |
Saviq | tsdgeos, it's a singleton | 16:20 |
Saviq | it could be associated to a the QDeclarativeView of current app | 16:20 |
tsdgeos | well | 16:20 |
Saviq | - a | 16:20 |
Saviq | why would they expose an appScreen method that's broken like that :[ | 16:21 |
tsdgeos | i see | 16:21 |
Saviq | nasty | 16:21 |
tsdgeos | Saviq: well, it's broken by design | 16:21 |
tsdgeos | i mean | 16:21 |
tsdgeos | your app can have N windows | 16:21 |
tsdgeos | in X screens | 16:21 |
tsdgeos | so what would appScreen return? | 16:22 |
Saviq | true | 16:22 |
tsdgeos | Saviq: sincerely i don't think that having a ScreenInfo::geometry() that belongs to a singleton makes sense | 16:22 |
tsdgeos | either it should stop being a singleton | 16:22 |
Saviq | tsdgeos, it will | 16:22 |
tsdgeos | or it should a screen parameter | 16:23 |
Saviq | I will move it to QML and add a property with current QDeclarativeView | 16:23 |
Saviq | makes total sense what you're saying | 16:23 |
tsdgeos | that should fix all our problems | 16:24 |
tsdgeos | hopefully | 16:24 |
tsdgeos | otoh | 16:24 |
tsdgeos | a widget can in theory also be in two screens | 16:25 |
tsdgeos | but not in our use case i guess | 16:25 |
Andy80 | Kaleo: ping | 16:25 |
Saviq | I need to resync with Kaleo and dyams about MM for that, too | 16:25 |
Saviq | tsdgeos, so the other thing - with providing a screen number - might be a better - more deterministic approach | 16:26 |
Saviq | esp. when we will have multiple launchers and stuff - each of them will request a geometry of their own screen | 16:27 |
Saviq | ok, my head is killing me, time to EOD for today | 16:27 |
Saviq | cheers all, see you tomorrow | 16:27 |
greyback | Saviq: take it easy | 16:28 |
mhall119 | didrocks: so far it's been smooth sailing | 17:01 |
mhall119 | I'm liking the new Dash home | 17:01 |
mhall119 | but what will be on there after a fresh install? | 17:01 |
didrocks | mhall119: nothing, per default, until you open a file/app | 17:01 |
didrocks | mhall119: so yeah, will look weird, I agree :) | 17:02 |
didrocks | glad you like it! | 17:02 |
mhall119 | maybe it can have the Examples documents, or an introductory slideshow or video | 17:02 |
didrocks | yeah, can be a good idea :) | 17:03 |
didrocks | mhall119: raise that on the ayatana (for design) mailing list | 17:03 |
* mhall119 makes a note | 17:08 | |
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mhall119 | davidcalle: I sent you an invite to a google doc, could you fill in whether your lenses and scopes work on oneiric and/or precise, and which are ready for the ARB (including ones already sent) | 19:07 |
davidcalle | mhall119, sure | 19:09 |
mhall119 | thanks | 19:09 |
davidcalle | mhall119, do you want me to differentiate experimental branches (likes scopes without a lens) from the really working ones? | 19:12 |
mhall119 | davidcalle: do I have experimental ones on there? | 19:13 |
davidcalle | mhall119, yeah, like desura, scummvm, 9gag. They "work", but don't have a lens to host them. | 19:13 |
mhall119 | davidcalle: ah, for those let's put something like "needed" in the 2nd column (the one labeled "lens") | 19:14 |
davidcalle | mhall119, ok | 19:14 |
davidcalle | mhall119, do you mind if I remove the branches that have been dropped or merged, or are irrelevant from a user pov? | 19:25 |
mhall119 | davidcalle: if it's not available on either oneiric or precise, yes | 19:26 |
mhall119 | if it's still available on oneiric, but dropped from precise, go ahead and leave it | 19:26 |
davidcalle | mhall119, by not available, you mean not packaged? | 19:27 |
mhall119 | no, I mean not working | 19:27 |
mhall119 | if it works I want to keep it in the list, just mark it as not being ready for the ARB | 19:28 |
davidcalle | mhall119, ok | 19:31 |
JonOomph | Hi! There is a bug with Unity where clicking on a GtkRecentChooserMenu always selects the first entry (lp:752674). It only happens with Unity. Gnome Shell and Gnome classic work fine. The bug was marked as "Invalid", but I can confirm the bug still exists in 12.04 (daily build) and 11.10. Any thoughts or suggestions? | 19:33 |
davidcalle | mhall119, done. | 19:35 |
davidcalle | mhall119, I will add the screenshots I find. | 19:36 |
mhall119 | awesome, thanks | 19:38 |
thumper | morning | 19:40 |
mhall119 | morning thumper | 19:40 |
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bschaefer | thumper, ping. Have a question about a merge | 23:56 |
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