[02:05] is teddy bald ? Not covered all in fur ? [02:07] Oh, Its you, Randy - rmg51- easy solve here.... Just use long underware to upgrade you to teddy bear warmpth status. === Joe_CoT is now known as Josephine_CoT === Josephine_CoT is now known as Joe_CoT [06:16] night everyone [06:25] morning Sadin [06:25] lol [06:25] mornin' all [06:25] im just goin to bed D: [06:26] school in 6 and a half hrs [06:27] If you make it by 5am, have a good morning and my the 5.5 hour conversation about bedtimes be fruitful. [06:33] * waltman had to clean up a flood in his bathroom :( [06:33] crazy upstairs neighbor overflowed her toilet [06:37] attempting to belatedly head to sleep after a second visit from $super [06:44] I should get to bed so I can wake up and go skiing [08:42] water or snow skiing, andrew ? [10:21] Morning. [10:27] morning JonathanD [16:30] I need some help [16:31] when you are in a file dialog, and you press 'a' it jumps to the first 'a' entry [16:31] for example. [16:32] I wish to be able to type 'alphabet' and jump to the first 'alphabet' match. does any dialogs do this? [16:37] what I actually want to do is be able to filter things out [17:17] my ubuntu upgrade just died on me. [17:17] fk [17:17] fk fk fk [17:17] fk [17:17] fkkk [17:18] lets hope apt has enough magic to fix it [17:18] ugh, did i mention i hate explosions of computers? [17:18] i cant use IRC on Windows because of weird explosions in C :/ [17:19] so sorry i disappeared there for a while :P [17:19] huh [17:21] I'm defiintely screwed. [17:21] this upgrade is going to hell [17:21] back to arch! [17:22] heh. [17:22] has pennbot worked for you all? do we need to add additionaal plugins? (I know we need additional admin level users) [17:22] what happened to old pennbot? [17:22] it was exploded and taken down by its operator [17:22] i volunteered to bring a new one up [17:23] oh [17:23] that is sad [17:23] * Resistance subsequently got the old PennBot nick dropped and added to the current nickserv for this PennBot [17:23] yeah, well meh [17:23] at least its been running with a decent uptime [17:24] good [17:24] its running off of a netbook which is always on xD [17:24] wait for the raspberry pi [17:29] jedijf: hey around? i need emotional support as my ubuntu install is rapidly going down the drain [17:29] it kicked out while upgrading [17:30] i rebooted and all the repositories are set to onieric now, so i am just apt-get distro-uprading it [17:30] sound legit? [19:19] My Banshee refuses to buffer streaming radio stations so it won't play right [19:19] I blame lamal666 [19:19] nope, not my code [19:19] oh, ok. haha [19:20] Do you know how to fix it? [19:20] no [19:21] There don't even seem to be any settings for streaming anywhere [19:24] Doesn't look like anyone can do it [19:24] banshee [19:24] seriously people use that? [19:24] almost as ridiculous as songbird. [19:24] What should I use? [19:25] rhythmbox? [19:25] I use moc however. I also like gogglesmm for slow machines [19:28] http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/10732 [19:28] Short review but I like it [19:29] I keep finding myself drawn to KDE apps [19:30] I use kde3.5 [19:30] it's great [19:30] I may have to try it [19:30] I've avoided KDE thus far just because it is another desktop environment to learn [19:31] that is true [19:31] It's quite different than Gnome 2 [19:32] i've actually found myself always saying "i wish I had X feature". with both gnome and kde [19:32] always trade offs [19:32] the current series of kde I cannot stand however. [19:32] the same goes for Unity and Gnome3 [19:32] kde 4, gnome 3 and unity were all half baked releases [19:32] I'm using xfce because it is lean [19:33] But if I keep installing KDE apps I might as well use KDE since I will be loading all the KDE libraries anyway [19:33] xfce is a solid desktop [19:33] what gnome should be [19:33] it doesn't do terrible much however [20:06] ChinnoDog [20:07] Sadin [20:07] all i can say is the new kde 4 is a little upsetting coming from other desktop enviornments such as gnome or xfce i would use xfce MutantTurkeys project hes involved with TDE (a fork of kde 3.5 [the good kde]) [20:08] xfce or tde :P [20:08] yes MutantTurkey :D [20:08] Sadin: what is wrong with kde4? [20:08] BLOAT BLOAT BLOAT BLOAT BLOAT [20:09] ChinnoDog the workflow is SO much different coming from other WMs in my opinion [20:09] and yes BLOAT [20:09] i don't need nepomuk. stay the hell away! [20:09] however MutantTurkey they have made some optomizations in speed that are alot better then kde 3,5 was [20:09] If i want to use 1 kde4 app, I DON'T want nepomuk and virtuoso indexing everything [20:09] Sadin:definitely a lot of improvements [20:09] but, the style is changfed [20:10] MutantTurkey the style looks find too to me its just the way work is dont in kde 4 reminds me too much of my windows system [20:10] yeah I hate the look [20:10] and discourages me from even doing work but thats my own opinion [20:10] it looks like to glossy and plastic [20:10] MutantTurkey gotta make packages for fedora today [20:11] Pleia2 got me involved with the shimmer project and ive been helping out to get Shimmers themes into fedora xfce and its a okay so far :D im really happy cause its my first major contribution to Open source [20:11] gotta make packages for what? [20:12] that's awesome [20:12] contributing to foss stuff is the reason I am doing computers [20:12] MutantTurkey packaging up the shimmer projects themes for fedora and maintaining them [20:12] wow cool [20:12] i know :D [20:14] MutantTurkey also got my drupal powered website up and running last night ive been busy busy busy http://sadin.ifndev.com/ [20:14] going to blog about what i do with Web Design Fedora Design Team, Drupal, and Shimmer :) [20:15] cool [20:15] looking at it now [20:15] looks legit [20:17] MutantTurkey its got alot of work to go but its making its way [20:17] still pretty cool [20:17] thanks :) [20:17] jedijf: remember that time I tried to setup a web site and it took me like 4 days [20:17] lol [20:17] so dumb back then [20:17] * Sadin likes fuel wordpress and drupal and RubyOnRails === Joe_CoT is now known as karaoke [20:18] Sadin: MutantTurkey: I will explore the default Kubuntu install first. Then if it sucks I will look at TDE. (Is that Trinity?) [20:18] ChinnoDog what do you use now [20:18] yes [20:18] tde is hand in hand [20:18] Xubuntu [20:19] with trinity [20:19] I call it Trinity Desktop [20:19] ChinnoDog whats wrong with Xubuntu? [20:19] My favorite apps are KDE based [20:19] im using the xfce fedora spin (same thing) and i couldnt be happier [20:19] xfce limits my abilities for networking and integration [20:19] unfortunately [20:19] Chinno dog ah well so are mine but i hate KDEs panels and widgets etc aka bloat [20:19] Also, I am going to be playing with BSD in the near future and they seem to like KDE [20:20] imo using the best apps doesnt mean you need the entire enviornment with it cause technically you already have a KDE system installed on you PC your only using certain aspects of it when running the K based apps on xfce [20:21] Sadin: it's all about integration though [20:21] I like to use tde because i get everything working smoothly together [20:21] MutantTurkey what doesnt integreat [20:21] with trinity I can do great integration. for example I am ssh'd into a server [20:21] I dont see the problems you do or i am not as picky :P [20:22] nevermind my example then === karaoke is now known as Joe_CoT [20:22] MutantTurkey heh i always have ssh open as well ( cant dream of my life without it) [20:23] seriosuly im connected to my 2 vps's my FAS account and bitbucket all the time hehe [20:23] right [20:24] now with that, I am browising those apps in konqueror, then opening them in kate [20:24] very handy being able to use seemless network integration [20:24] I see [20:24] with trinity apps seemlessly integrate into whatever network you are attached to [20:25] i guess im more of a terminal fella :P [20:25] me too [20:25] don't worry [20:25] cause gnome can do that same exact thing as well [20:25] I am a 100% terminal guy [20:25] gnome is a lot less easy about it [20:25] :-P [20:25] this is just like a breeze [20:25] :O how so [20:25] I dunno [20:25] thought it was pretty straighht forward lol [20:25] gnome was always crap for me [20:25] Gnome2 i loved gnome3 i fell off... hard [20:25] mostly because the FM sucks in gnome and xfce [20:26] anyway MutantTurkey i gotta reboot [20:26] ill brb [20:26] okay [20:29] * Sadin returns [20:41] MutantTurkey: you don't like Nautilus? why not just use a different one then instead of writing off the whole WM? [20:42] because that is the core of the wm? [20:43] fair enough i guess, but couldnt you just install a different FM? [20:43] i see your point [20:43] there aren't any good viable gtk alternatives. Thunar is a ripoff of nautilus [20:43] well, i guess what im asking is, what non-console-based FMs do you like? [20:43] if any [20:43] Konqueror 3.5 [20:44] for it's kparts embedding [20:44] when I open a file, it nicely embeds it in the same window. [20:44] so when I click on a image, it doesn't launch a new program [20:44] it just opens it up within itself [20:44] ugh. My desktop was all fubar. I killed processes one at a time trying to enable me to move windows again and gave up and rebooted [20:44] same for movies, text files [20:44] everything [20:44] and it has a web browser [20:44] profile support [20:44] extensions, [20:45] lets me do cool stuff by accessing kio slaves [20:45] I can do apt:/ and it lets me browser my packages for example [20:45] remote:/ for remote shares and so on [20:45] does that cause Konquerer to jack your memory? [20:46] so you're basically using Konquerer as your WM, not KDE. [20:46] i.e. all you need is Konquerer [20:47] someday ill have to sit down with KDE and talk about our feelings [20:47] maybe we can work something out [20:47] like adults [20:48] meh [20:48] it allows me to smoothly do stuff [20:48] when I close the tab, that program closes [20:48] it just embeds the window nicely [20:48] it's good for browsing a lot of stuff [20:48] I use it to preview [20:49] but before that happens, i need a romp in the sack with Arch (probably Archbang because I'm lazy) and Awesome2 [20:49] adom: ppffft go with scrotwm [20:49] that's all the tiling i'll ever need :P [20:49] I am a tiler at heart [20:49] i like having new/seperate windows pop up for seperate programs [20:49] just how i do [20:50] yeah makes sense [20:50] i love my screen setup with seperate regions, so i need to try out a "tiling-based" WM [20:51] since im so used to aptitude, would trying out pacman be hard to transition to? [20:52] NO [20:52] pacman is 10000 times better [20:52] its faster and easier and simpler and sane and kiss [20:52] I LOVE PACMAN IT'S THE BEST [20:52] :) [20:52] * MutantTurkey also forgot to mention he is a arch diehard [20:52] * adom peers left and right at the rest of #ubuntu-us-pa and steps away from MutantTurkey. [20:52] lol [20:52] they already know i'm weird [20:52] haha [20:53] it must have been that nuclear meltdown that happened down the farm from me... [20:53] well my fear is the complexity of Arch [20:53] nah that wasnt it [20:53] lol [20:53] arch is 50000 times simpler [20:53] :) [20:53] bollux [20:53] you have to do everything from scratch [20:53] nothing is changed. ubuntu messes with everything [20:53] no you don't [20:53] which is pretty much the polar opposite of ubuntu [20:53] everything just comes vanilla [20:53] there is no special way to do anything in arch [20:53] it's all upstream [20:53] so that means you don [20:53] thats all jargon to me [20:54] 't get mangled versions or old versions [20:54] everything is upstream. [20:54] yeah that [20:54] like fish? [20:54] I consider it the most "linux" linux. [20:54] * adom chuckles [20:54] hehe [20:54] i would agree (not having used it before, but from what ive read) [20:54] MutantTurkey arch is a great distro but its not the most simple [20:55] define simple? [20:55] the funny thing i like is that pretty much every answer in #arch is "RTFM" because its so in depth you cant grasp it until you learn it entirely [20:55] adom: you have to do some work [20:55] simple = "easy to use" in my book [20:55] the level of knowledge needed for a new linux user to jump into ubuntu or say fedora is far lowet then arch [20:55] but they'll also help you [20:55] with means ubuntu [20:55] if you go to #arch and say "I ham having X, Y and Z issues, I read A B C and tried D E F [20:55] they'll help [20:55] Mint is nice for new users also, though its a derivative of ubuntu [20:55] but our wiki is fantastic, and covers everything [20:55] adom: not anymore, it's debian based now? [20:56] no shit. hmm [20:56] meh [20:56] * adom shrugs. [20:56] still like Mint [20:56] i debated switching from ubuntu to Mint when ubuntu 11 released with unity [20:56] lol unity [20:56] * adom spits on the floor. [20:56] halfbaked crap [20:57] still need to try gnome3, but dont have high hopes for it [20:57] i like my linux easy to use (i.e. ubuntu atm) and lightweight (gnome2 atm) [20:58] got MutantTurkey the trinity mirrors have been going down left and right :/ [20:58] if i wanted a bloated graphics display id use only my Windows7 machine [20:58] Sadin: what? [20:58] I just upgraded to onieric with notrouble... [20:58] rebooting now [20:58] wish me luck [20:58] MutantTurkey i keep failing to connect to the mirrors and i entred the through copy/paste [20:58] gluck [21:07] ha, my irc hilight for bong has been set off 4 times today, none of them for what i expect [21:08] lol [21:10] it worked [21:13] runnin unity now? [21:14] no [21:14] the oneirc upgrade [21:14] it sucks though [21:14] fscked up a lot of stuff I had [21:14] that's what you get. [21:14] for trying to move past dependable ubuntu 10 [21:14] for using shitty ubuntu. [21:15] sigh [21:15] haha [21:15] speaking of, downloading archbang iso now [21:15] gonna toss in a vm and mess around [21:15] why are you downloading archbang? [21:18] because its arch, but easy mode [21:19] pfft [21:20] i just dont feel like spending 4 hours learning how to start up my linux distro [22:13] adom: arch is a lot easier than everyone thinks [22:13] adom: nike [22:17] hate konqueror kate is liveable linux is awesome because of these differences of opinions/systems/trials and in everyone else's case...errors [22:28] got a 10x10 screen gazebo [22:41] jedijf: nike? [22:42] adom i would assume that means nice [22:42] :P [22:42] "nice" doesnt seem to have context in the conversation [22:42] * adom shrugs. [22:42] anywho. im out for the night, back tomorrow. [22:45] see ya === Joe_CoT is now known as loki_____ === loki_____ is now known as Joe_CoT