[02:05] <InHisName> is teddy bald ?  Not covered all in fur ?
[02:07] <InHisName> Oh, Its you, Randy - rmg51- easy solve here.... Just use long underware to upgrade you to teddy bear warmpth status.
[06:16] <Sadin> night everyone
[06:25] <andrew> morning Sadin
[06:25] <Sadin> lol
[06:25] <InHisName> mornin' all
[06:25] <Sadin> im just goin to bed D:
[06:26] <Sadin> school in 6 and a half hrs
[06:27] <InHisName> If you make it by 5am, have a good morning and my the 5.5 hour conversation about bedtimes be fruitful.
[06:33]  * waltman had to clean up a flood in his bathroom :(
[06:33] <waltman> crazy upstairs neighbor overflowed her toilet
[06:37] <waltman> attempting to belatedly head to sleep after a second visit from $super
[06:44] <andrew> I should get to bed so I can wake up and go skiing
[08:42] <InHisName> water or snow   skiing, andrew ?
[10:21] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:27] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[16:30] <MutantTurkey> I need some help
[16:31] <MutantTurkey> when you are in a file dialog, and you press 'a' it jumps to the first 'a' entry
[16:31] <MutantTurkey> for example.
[16:32] <MutantTurkey> I wish to be able to type 'alphabet' and jump to the first 'alphabet' match. does any dialogs do this?
[16:37] <MutantTurkey> what I actually want to do is be able to filter things out
[17:17] <MutantTurkey> my ubuntu upgrade just died on me.
[17:17] <MutantTurkey> fk
[17:17] <MutantTurkey> fk fk fk
[17:17] <MutantTurkey> fk
[17:17] <MutantTurkey> fkkk
[17:18] <MutantTurkey> lets hope apt has enough magic to fix it
[17:18] <Resistance> ugh, did i mention i hate explosions of computers?
[17:18] <Resistance> i cant use IRC on Windows because of weird explosions in C :/
[17:19] <Resistance> so sorry i disappeared there for a while :P
[17:19] <MutantTurkey> huh
[17:21] <MutantTurkey> I'm defiintely screwed.
[17:21] <MutantTurkey> this upgrade is going to hell
[17:21] <MutantTurkey> back to arch!
[17:22] <Resistance> heh.
[17:22] <Resistance> has pennbot worked for you all?  do we need to add additionaal plugins? (I know we need additional admin level users)
[17:22] <MutantTurkey> what happened to old pennbot?
[17:22] <Resistance> it was exploded and taken down by its operator
[17:22] <Resistance> i volunteered to bring a new one up
[17:23] <MutantTurkey> oh
[17:23] <MutantTurkey> that is sad
[17:23]  * Resistance subsequently got the old PennBot nick dropped and added to the current nickserv for this PennBot
[17:23] <Resistance> yeah, well meh
[17:23] <Resistance> at least its been running with a decent uptime
[17:24] <MutantTurkey> good
[17:24] <Resistance> its running off of a netbook which is always on xD
[17:24] <MutantTurkey> wait for the raspberry pi
[17:29] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: hey around? i need emotional support as my ubuntu install is rapidly going down the drain
[17:29] <MutantTurkey> it kicked out while upgrading
[17:30] <MutantTurkey> i rebooted and all the repositories are set to onieric now, so i am just apt-get distro-uprading it
[17:30] <MutantTurkey> sound legit?
[19:19] <ChinnoDog> My Banshee refuses to buffer streaming radio stations so it won't play right
[19:19] <ChinnoDog> I blame lamal666
[19:19] <lamal666> nope, not my code
[19:19] <ChinnoDog> oh, ok. haha
[19:20] <ChinnoDog> Do you know how to fix it?
[19:20] <lamal666> no
[19:21] <ChinnoDog> There don't even seem to be any settings for streaming anywhere
[19:24] <ChinnoDog> Doesn't look like anyone can do it
[19:24] <MutantTurkey> banshee
[19:24] <MutantTurkey> seriously people use that?
[19:24] <MutantTurkey> almost as ridiculous as songbird.
[19:24] <ChinnoDog> What should I use?
[19:25] <MutantTurkey> rhythmbox?
[19:25] <MutantTurkey> I use moc however. I also like gogglesmm for slow machines
[19:28] <ChinnoDog> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/10732
[19:28] <ChinnoDog> Short review but I like it
[19:29] <ChinnoDog> I keep finding myself drawn to KDE apps
[19:30] <MutantTurkey> I use kde3.5
[19:30] <MutantTurkey> it's great
[19:30] <ChinnoDog> I may have to try it
[19:30] <ChinnoDog> I've avoided KDE thus far just because it is another desktop environment to learn
[19:31] <MutantTurkey> that is true
[19:31] <MutantTurkey> It's quite different than Gnome 2
[19:32] <MutantTurkey> i've actually found myself always saying "i wish I had X feature". with both gnome and kde
[19:32] <MutantTurkey> always trade offs
[19:32] <MutantTurkey> the current series of kde I cannot stand however.
[19:32] <MutantTurkey> the same goes for Unity and Gnome3
[19:32] <MutantTurkey> kde 4, gnome 3 and unity were all half baked releases
[19:32] <ChinnoDog> I'm using xfce because it is lean
[19:33] <ChinnoDog> But if I keep installing KDE apps I might as well use KDE since I will be loading all the KDE libraries anyway
[19:33] <MutantTurkey> xfce is a solid desktop
[19:33] <MutantTurkey> what gnome should be
[19:33] <MutantTurkey> it doesn't do terrible much however
[20:06] <Sadin> ChinnoDog
[20:07] <MutantTurkey> Sadin
[20:07] <Sadin> all i can say is the new kde 4 is a little upsetting coming from other desktop enviornments such as gnome or xfce i would use xfce MutantTurkeys project hes involved with TDE (a fork of kde 3.5 [the good kde])
[20:08] <Sadin> xfce or tde :P
[20:08] <Sadin> yes MutantTurkey :D
[20:08] <ChinnoDog> Sadin: what is wrong with kde4?
[20:08] <MutantTurkey> BLOAT BLOAT BLOAT BLOAT BLOAT
[20:09] <Sadin> ChinnoDog the workflow is SO much different coming from other WMs in my opinion
[20:09] <Sadin> and yes BLOAT
[20:09] <MutantTurkey> i don't need nepomuk. stay the hell away!
[20:09] <Sadin> however MutantTurkey they have made some optomizations in speed that are alot better then kde 3,5 was
[20:09] <MutantTurkey> If i want to use 1 kde4 app, I DON'T want nepomuk and virtuoso indexing everything
[20:09] <MutantTurkey> Sadin:definitely a lot of improvements
[20:09] <MutantTurkey> but, the style is changfed
[20:10] <Sadin> MutantTurkey the style looks find too to me its just the way work is dont in kde 4 reminds me too much of my windows system
[20:10] <MutantTurkey> yeah I hate the look
[20:10] <Sadin> and discourages me from even doing work but thats my own opinion
[20:10] <MutantTurkey> it looks like to glossy and plastic
[20:10] <Sadin> MutantTurkey gotta make packages for fedora today
[20:11] <Sadin> Pleia2 got me involved with the shimmer project and ive been helping out to get Shimmers themes into fedora xfce and its a okay so far :D im really happy cause its my first major contribution to Open source
[20:11] <MutantTurkey> gotta make packages for what?
[20:12] <MutantTurkey> that's awesome
[20:12] <MutantTurkey> contributing to foss stuff is the reason I am doing computers
[20:12] <Sadin> MutantTurkey packaging up the shimmer projects themes for fedora and maintaining them
[20:12] <MutantTurkey> wow cool
[20:12] <Sadin> i know :D
[20:14] <Sadin> MutantTurkey also got my drupal powered website up and running last night ive been busy busy busy http://sadin.ifndev.com/
[20:14] <Sadin> going to blog about what i do with Web Design Fedora Design Team, Drupal, and Shimmer :)
[20:15] <MutantTurkey> cool
[20:15] <MutantTurkey> looking at it now
[20:15] <MutantTurkey> looks legit
[20:17] <Sadin> MutantTurkey its got alot of work to go but its making its way
[20:17] <MutantTurkey> still pretty cool
[20:17] <Sadin> thanks :)
[20:17] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: remember that time I tried to setup a web site and it took me like 4 days
[20:17] <MutantTurkey> lol
[20:17] <MutantTurkey> so dumb back then
[20:17]  * Sadin likes fuel wordpress and drupal and RubyOnRails
[20:18] <ChinnoDog> Sadin: MutantTurkey: I will explore the default Kubuntu install first. Then if it sucks I will look at TDE. (Is that Trinity?)
[20:18] <Sadin> ChinnoDog what do you use now
[20:18] <MutantTurkey> yes
[20:18] <MutantTurkey> tde is hand in hand
[20:18] <ChinnoDog> Xubuntu
[20:19] <MutantTurkey> with trinity
[20:19] <MutantTurkey> I call it Trinity Desktop
[20:19] <Sadin> ChinnoDog whats wrong with Xubuntu?
[20:19] <ChinnoDog> My favorite apps are KDE based
[20:19] <Sadin> im using the xfce fedora spin (same thing) and i couldnt be happier
[20:19] <MutantTurkey> xfce limits my abilities for networking and integration
[20:19] <MutantTurkey> unfortunately
[20:19] <Sadin> Chinno dog ah well so are mine but i hate KDEs panels and widgets etc aka bloat
[20:19] <ChinnoDog> Also, I am going to be playing with BSD in the near future and they seem to like KDE
[20:20] <Sadin> imo using the best apps doesnt mean you need the entire enviornment with it cause technically you already have a KDE system installed on you PC your only using certain aspects of it when running the K based apps on xfce
[20:21] <MutantTurkey> Sadin: it's all about integration though
[20:21] <MutantTurkey> I like to use tde because i get everything working smoothly together
[20:21] <Sadin> MutantTurkey what doesnt integreat
[20:21] <MutantTurkey> with trinity I can do great integration. for example I am ssh'd into a server
[20:21] <Sadin> I dont see the problems you do or i am not as picky :P
[20:22] <MutantTurkey> nevermind my example then
[20:22] <Sadin> MutantTurkey heh i always have ssh open as well ( cant dream of my life without it)
[20:23] <Sadin> seriosuly im connected to my 2 vps's my FAS account and bitbucket all the time hehe
[20:23] <MutantTurkey> right
[20:24] <MutantTurkey> now with that, I am browising those apps in konqueror, then opening them in kate
[20:24] <MutantTurkey> very handy being able to use seemless network integration
[20:24] <Sadin> I see
[20:24] <MutantTurkey> with trinity apps seemlessly integrate into whatever network you are attached to
[20:25] <Sadin> i guess im more of a terminal fella :P
[20:25] <MutantTurkey> me too
[20:25] <MutantTurkey> don't worry
[20:25] <Sadin> cause gnome can do that same exact thing as well
[20:25] <MutantTurkey> I am a 100% terminal guy
[20:25] <MutantTurkey> gnome is a lot less easy about it
[20:25] <MutantTurkey> :-P
[20:25] <MutantTurkey> this is just like a breeze
[20:25] <Sadin> :O how so
[20:25] <MutantTurkey> I dunno
[20:25] <Sadin> thought it was pretty straighht forward lol
[20:25] <MutantTurkey> gnome was always crap for me
[20:25] <Sadin> Gnome2 i loved gnome3 i fell off... hard
[20:25] <MutantTurkey> mostly because the FM sucks in gnome and xfce
[20:26] <Sadin> anyway MutantTurkey i gotta reboot
[20:26] <Sadin> ill brb
[20:26] <MutantTurkey> okay
[20:29]  * Sadin returns
[20:41] <adom> MutantTurkey: you don't like Nautilus? why not just use a different one then instead of writing off the whole WM?
[20:42] <MutantTurkey> because that is the core of the wm?
[20:43] <adom> fair enough i guess, but couldnt you just install a different FM?
[20:43] <adom> i see your point
[20:43] <MutantTurkey> there aren't any good viable gtk alternatives. Thunar is a ripoff of nautilus
[20:43] <adom> well, i guess what im asking is, what non-console-based FMs do you like?
[20:43] <adom> if any
[20:43] <MutantTurkey> Konqueror 3.5
[20:44] <MutantTurkey> for it's kparts embedding
[20:44] <MutantTurkey> when I open a file, it nicely embeds it in the same window.
[20:44] <MutantTurkey> so when I click on a image, it doesn't launch a new program
[20:44] <MutantTurkey> it just opens it up within itself
[20:44] <ChinnoDog> ugh. My desktop was all fubar. I killed processes one at a time trying to enable me to move windows again and gave up and rebooted
[20:44] <MutantTurkey> same for movies, text files
[20:44] <MutantTurkey> everything
[20:44] <MutantTurkey> and it has a web browser
[20:44] <MutantTurkey> profile support
[20:44] <MutantTurkey> extensions,
[20:45] <MutantTurkey> lets me do cool stuff by accessing kio slaves
[20:45] <MutantTurkey> I can do apt:/ and it lets me browser my packages for example
[20:45] <MutantTurkey> remote:/ for remote shares and so on
[20:45] <adom> does that cause Konquerer to jack your memory?
[20:46] <adom> so you're basically using Konquerer as your WM, not KDE.
[20:46] <adom> i.e. all you need is Konquerer
[20:47] <adom> someday ill have to sit down with KDE and talk about our feelings
[20:47] <adom> maybe we can work something out
[20:47] <adom> like adults
[20:48] <MutantTurkey> meh
[20:48] <MutantTurkey> it allows me to smoothly do stuff
[20:48] <MutantTurkey> when I close the tab, that program closes
[20:48] <MutantTurkey> it just embeds the window nicely
[20:48] <MutantTurkey> it's good for browsing a lot of stuff
[20:48] <MutantTurkey> I use it to preview
[20:49] <adom> but before that happens, i need a romp in the sack with Arch (probably Archbang because I'm lazy) and Awesome2
[20:49] <MutantTurkey> adom: ppffft go with scrotwm
[20:49] <MutantTurkey> that's all the tiling i'll ever need :P
[20:49] <MutantTurkey> I am a tiler at heart
[20:49] <adom> i like having new/seperate windows pop up for seperate programs
[20:49] <adom> just how i do
[20:50] <MutantTurkey> yeah makes sense
[20:50] <adom> i love my screen setup with seperate regions, so i need to try out a "tiling-based" WM
[20:51] <adom> since im so used to aptitude, would trying out pacman be hard to transition to?
[20:52] <MutantTurkey> NO
[20:52] <MutantTurkey> pacman is 10000 times better
[20:52] <MutantTurkey> its faster and easier and simpler and sane and kiss
[20:52] <MutantTurkey> I LOVE PACMAN IT'S THE BEST
[20:52] <MutantTurkey> :)
[20:52]  * MutantTurkey also forgot to mention he is a arch diehard
[20:52]  * adom peers left and right at the rest of #ubuntu-us-pa and steps away from MutantTurkey.
[20:52] <MutantTurkey> lol
[20:52] <MutantTurkey> they already know i'm weird
[20:52] <adom> haha
[20:53] <MutantTurkey> it must have been that nuclear meltdown that happened down the farm from me...
[20:53] <adom> well my fear is the complexity of Arch
[20:53] <adom> nah that wasnt it
[20:53] <MutantTurkey> lol
[20:53] <MutantTurkey> arch is 50000 times simpler
[20:53] <MutantTurkey> :)
[20:53] <adom> bollux
[20:53] <adom> you have to do everything from scratch
[20:53] <MutantTurkey> nothing is changed. ubuntu messes with everything
[20:53] <MutantTurkey> no you don't
[20:53] <adom> which is pretty much the polar opposite of ubuntu
[20:53] <MutantTurkey> everything just comes vanilla
[20:53] <MutantTurkey> there is no special way to do anything in arch
[20:53] <MutantTurkey> it's all upstream
[20:53] <MutantTurkey> so that means you don
[20:53] <adom> thats all jargon to me
[20:54] <MutantTurkey> 't get mangled versions or old versions
[20:54] <MutantTurkey> everything is upstream.
[20:54] <adom> yeah that
[20:54] <adom> like fish?
[20:54] <MutantTurkey> I consider it the most "linux" linux.
[20:54]  * adom chuckles
[20:54] <MutantTurkey> hehe
[20:54] <adom> i would agree (not having used it before, but from what ive read)
[20:54] <Sadin> MutantTurkey arch is a great distro but its not the most simple
[20:55] <MutantTurkey> define simple?
[20:55] <adom> the funny thing i like is that pretty much every answer in #arch is "RTFM" because its so in depth you cant grasp it until you learn it entirely
[20:55] <MutantTurkey> adom: you have to do some work
[20:55] <adom> simple = "easy to use" in my book
[20:55] <Sadin> the level of knowledge needed for a new linux user to jump into ubuntu or say fedora is far lowet then arch
[20:55] <MutantTurkey> but they'll also help you
[20:55] <adom> with means ubuntu
[20:55] <MutantTurkey> if you go to #arch and say "I ham having X, Y and Z issues, I read A B C and tried D E F
[20:55] <MutantTurkey> they'll help
[20:55] <adom> Mint is nice for new users also, though its a derivative of ubuntu
[20:55] <MutantTurkey> but our wiki is fantastic, and covers everything
[20:55] <MutantTurkey> adom: not anymore, it's debian based now?
[20:56] <adom> no shit. hmm
[20:56] <adom> meh
[20:56]  * adom shrugs.
[20:56] <adom> still like Mint
[20:56] <adom> i debated switching from ubuntu to Mint when ubuntu 11 released with unity
[20:56] <MutantTurkey> lol unity
[20:56]  * adom spits on the floor.
[20:56] <MutantTurkey> halfbaked crap
[20:57] <adom> still need to try gnome3, but dont have high hopes for it
[20:57] <adom> i like my linux easy to use (i.e. ubuntu atm) and lightweight (gnome2 atm)
[20:58] <Sadin> got MutantTurkey the trinity mirrors have been going down left and right :/
[20:58] <adom> if i wanted a bloated graphics display id use only my Windows7 machine
[20:58] <MutantTurkey> Sadin: what?
[20:58] <MutantTurkey> I just upgraded to onieric with notrouble...
[20:58] <MutantTurkey> rebooting now
[20:58] <MutantTurkey> wish me luck
[20:58] <Sadin> MutantTurkey i keep failing to connect to the mirrors and i entred the through copy/paste
[20:58] <adom> gluck
[21:07] <lamalex> ha, my irc hilight for bong has been set off 4 times today, none of them for what i expect
[21:08] <ChinnoDog> lol
[21:10] <MutantTurkey> it worked
[21:13] <adom> runnin unity now?
[21:14] <MutantTurkey> no
[21:14] <MutantTurkey> the oneirc upgrade
[21:14] <MutantTurkey> it sucks though
[21:14] <MutantTurkey> fscked up a lot of stuff I had
[21:14] <adom> that's what you get.
[21:14] <adom> for trying to move past dependable ubuntu 10
[21:14] <MutantTurkey> for using shitty ubuntu.
[21:15] <MutantTurkey> sigh
[21:15] <adom> haha
[21:15] <adom> speaking of, downloading archbang iso now
[21:15] <adom> gonna toss in a vm and mess around
[21:15] <MutantTurkey> why are you downloading archbang?
[21:18] <adom> because its arch, but easy mode
[21:19] <MutantTurkey> pfft
[21:20] <adom> i just dont feel like spending 4 hours learning how to start up my linux distro
[22:13] <jedijf> adom: arch is a lot easier than everyone thinks
[22:13] <jedijf> adom: nike
[22:17] <jedijf> hate konqueror kate is liveable linux is awesome because of these differences of opinions/systems/trials and in everyone else's case...errors
[22:28] <JonathanD> got a 10x10 screen gazebo
[22:41] <adom> jedijf: nike?
[22:42] <Sadin> adom i would assume that means nice
[22:42] <Sadin> :P
[22:42] <adom> "nice" doesnt seem to have context in the conversation
[22:42]  * adom shrugs.
[22:42] <adom> anywho. im out for the night, back tomorrow.
[22:45] <Sadin> see ya