[00:07] <len> Todays DVD iso fails to allow me to connect to a wireless network. I'll see what the installed version does.
[03:14] <len> Todays iso problems:
[03:14] <len> wireless networking is broken.
[03:15] <len> /usr/share/xgreeters/default.desktop missing (no X..lightdm)
[03:17] <len> Pulsejack won't pass audio. audio/video player in play mode but time not advancing.
[03:17] <len> jack still no RT
[03:21] <holstein> len: thanks!
[03:22] <len> have copied https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Workflows/Audio to dusk so I can compare work flows to available applications to look for missing apps.
[03:22] <len> (I was hoping not to have to do that but with no net connect...)
[03:23] <len> First I had better file a bug report or two.
[03:25] <micahg> len: that file isn't provided by anything in the archive at the moment
[03:26] <len> Which file?
[03:27] <micahg> /usr/share/xgreeters/default.desktop
[03:27] <len> OK. I thought something had been done to correct that. A different version of the package.
[03:29] <len> The size of pages in ubiquity has been corrected and I can see the buttons.
[03:39] <len> Bug #923582 has been reported for no wireless connect
[03:40] <ScottL> micahg, i have tested -default-settings, -look, and -icons, and all work now
[03:41] <ScottL> (after adding Replaces: xubuntu-default-settings)
[03:43] <ScottL> i'm wondering if we should add the 'ln -s /usr/share/xgreeters/lightdm-kde-greeter.desktop /usr/share/xgreeters/default.desktop' line to ubuntustudio-default-settings, micahg, before you sponsor that package
[03:46] <micahg> no, that's supposed to be provided by the greeter, not the DE
[04:14] <len> So then, is xubuntu having the same problem then?
[04:14] <micahg> idk, you'd have to ask them, I haven't had an issue
[04:15] <len> One of the comments on the bug report was:
[04:15] <len> Are you calling /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults in your postinst for your lightdm theme? That's generally what needs to set the session and greeter.
[04:16] <len> That should have been in quotes BTW
[04:24] <len> I'll reboot and try it.
[04:27] <micahg> yeah, we should be
[04:38] <ScottL> TheMuso, have you had a chance to look at the kernel?
[05:10] <micahg> ScottL: are the other packages ready for me to upload in the morning?
[05:38] <len> Ok, I'm back. The "/usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults" thing does not work.
[05:39] <len> I should obviously try an xubuntu install to see if their's is ok.
[05:40] <len> I went through the work flows page for audio.... first question: are all of those for real?
[05:40] <len> or are some of them whims of thought?
[05:42] <len> Anyway, Audacity I have already mentioned.
[05:43] <len> Master an album asks for GCDMASTER (I wish) but I think Ardour/brasero/cdrdao while less easy to use can be (for now) substituted
[05:45] <len> Sequencing music using MIDI - linux sampler, Xsynth, whysynth seem to be missing, but there are lots of software synths included... change the work flow to not mention these and to mention those that are available.
[05:45] <len> Notating a Complex Composition - Lilypond, Frescobaldi missing
[05:47] <len> Experimental Synthesis Composition - CSound, celia missing, but as the workflow is based only on these apps, the workflow could be removed... personally I think this would be a good one to keep.
[05:48] <len> Live Coding - ChucK missing, same as above... workflow and app are one.
[05:53] <len> The rest are similar missing mixxx, xwax, rivendell, IJDC and darkice
[05:56] <len> I think there needs to be a dividing line between things we want included for 12.04 and things we may wish to add in the future.
[06:01] <len> Scottl astraljava Which work flows are valid?
[06:04] <len> Probably too late to answer.. sorry.
[06:13] <len> Just looking at The main workflow page it calls all of the above 12.04 apps. Lots missing.
[06:14] <len> I'll have to go through the video, graphics and photography another day.
[06:28] <len> the Package Selection Development page linked from the workflow page is outdated.
[12:33] <ScottL> micahg, ubuntustudio-look, ubuntustudio-icon-theme, and ubuntustudio-default-settings are ready to upload
[12:33] <ScottL>  
[12:33] <ScottL> micahg, i remember seeing a question about icons themes as well...
[12:34] <ScottL> micahg, i question if we (the team) will ever be in a position to sustain our own icon theme again, so
[12:34] <ScottL> micahg, i would say we probably should just base ourselves on elementary (or some theme thereof)
[12:35] <ScottL> micahg, so i would suggest that our icon package is superfluous and any required settings can be done with -default-settings
[13:56] <scott-work> can someone do a test so cjwatson can see about getting the rt privileges working in the live dvd?
[13:56] <scott-work> if you have an install without jackd, just install jack
[14:00] <astraljava> I can do that, but I need to zsync first, and then burn a DVD.
[14:01] <astraljava> So, takes a while.
[14:01] <scott-work> astraljava: cool :)
[14:02] <astraljava> If someone has an existing install, please take on the task for quicker results.
[14:02] <scott-work> astraljava: cjwatson says that he would like the casper.log file
[14:02] <astraljava> Sure thing.
[14:02] <scott-work> but he also says he thinks he has already preseeded the 'user in the audio group' issue and thinks it should be working
[14:02] <astraljava> I'll join with you on #ubuntu-devel soon.
[14:02] <scott-work> and he thinks he has fixed the jackd configure issue
[14:03] <astraljava> Ok.
[14:03] <scott-work> cool
[14:03] <scott-work> astraljava: so, i think three things are needed for now....
[14:03] <scott-work> 1. specifically check if user is in audio group (both in live and install)
[14:03] <scott-work> 2. check if /etc/security/limits.d/audio conf exists or is it /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf.disbaled (1)
[14:04] <scott-work> 3. get the casper.log for cjwatson
[14:04] <scott-work>  
[14:04] <astraljava> scott-work: ACK
[14:04] <scott-work> (1) note that i _think_ jackd copies the /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf.disabled originally and then only renames it (sans .disabled) if the question is answered affirmatively
[14:05] <scott-work> astraljava: thank you for your help :)
[14:07] <astraljava> No worries, I'm in this, too, you know. :)
[14:12] <astraljava> scott-work: We're pretty huge again. I gotta look into what's bloating us now.
[14:12] <astraljava> 1954MB
[14:16] <scott-work> astraljava: hehe,i know...but i feel bad when i instigate stuff and then i'm not the one doing the work
[14:16] <astraljava> Oh c'mon, you can't possibly do it all. :)
[14:17] <scott-work> astraljava: hmmm, let's look after we get cjwatson his information though if you don't mind, i would really like to get things squared away (re: rt) before A2
[14:18] <astraljava> scott-work: Yeah, we're not in a hurry with that, and I will definitely wait until after A-2, in order to not break the image.
[14:19] <scott-work> thanks :)
[14:20] <astraljava> But I can investigate. :)
[14:26] <scott-work> i would like to do a bit of PR for ubuntu studio 12.04 A2
[14:26] <scott-work> this is the first "official" build of a live dvd for us
[14:26] <astraljava> Right.
[14:28] <scott-work> i usually try to send an email to distro watch, but i think it would be worth it to hit up others like linux outlaws podcast, open source musicians podcast, and a few blogs that i know about (even webup8 and OMGUbuntu)
[14:28] <scott-work> along with ubuntu weekly newsletter (you hear that holstein ;)  )
[14:29] <astraljava> Heheh. :) I hear ya. But OMGubuntu, really? :D
[14:31] <scott-work> a lot of people look at it (i think)
[14:32] <scott-work> knome: i'm sorry, but i didn't touch the website this weekend (between my inadequacies in packaging / coding and honey-do's)
[14:33] <scott-work> however, this week i will focus on the website in the evenings leading up to this weekend, hopefully this will be the completion date
[14:33]  * scott-work painted a bathroom amongst other activities this weekend
[14:34] <astraljava> scott-work: No tiles?
[14:35] <scott-work> no, but my wife has a bunch of shite hanging on the walls that needed to be taken down and then put back up :P
[14:36] <scott-work> our ceiling are 14' as well, so i had to get more than just the step ladder
[14:36] <astraljava> Quite tall!
[14:36] <scott-work> but this was the 1/2 bath under the stairs so not much room in there with an 8' ladder (which couldn't get very close to the corners because of the toilet) and lots of fun was had :P
[14:37] <astraljava> I can imagine. :)
[14:37] <scott-work> eh, maybe it's 12 foot ceiling, but it's defintely not the usual 8 foot for sure
[14:37] <scott-work> if i remember i'll measure them tongiht so i'm complaining accurately from now on ;)
[14:38] <scott-work> i'm wondering if kate stewart is still around :/
[14:38] <astraljava> Yeah, usually over here it's that 8' as well.
[14:38] <scott-work> not trying to start rumours, mind you
[14:38] <astraljava> Haha! :D
[14:38] <astraljava> *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*
[14:38] <scott-work> well, several weeks have seen the -release team meeting chaired by someone else and i haven't seen her online lately
[14:39] <scott-work> could be vacation or even personal or sick time
[14:39] <scott-work> but i liked her being there because she brought a lot of order to the process (i thought)
[14:44] <astraljava> She does that, yeah.
[14:45] <astraljava> We still don't have our own artwork?
[14:46] <astraljava> scott-work: Live user is _not_ in audio group by default.
[14:46] <scott-work> huh, tech news today is talking about ubuntu's HUD: http://twit.tv/show/tech-news-today/422
[14:46] <scott-work> astraljava: i have calls out to several peoples for artwork
[14:46] <astraljava> scott-work: The file is /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf.disabled
[14:47] <scott-work> astraljava:  my feeling is that this will drag until the last month and i'll be the one knock something up again at the last minute and "fix" it
[14:47] <astraljava> I will proceed to installing now, so that I get the log to Colin soon.
[14:47] <scott-work> i just want three (or even two) new images :/  that's all
[14:49] <astraljava> ubiquity crashed...
[14:49] <astraljava> ubiquity, python-apt and python-apt-common are obsolete?!
[14:50]  * astraljava collapses on the floor unconscious
[14:51] <astraljava> It gets past that if I _don't_ try to update the installer.
[15:00] <knome> scott-work, np. we made good progress on the xubuntu website so should have more time to work on the US website in the future
[15:01] <scott-work> astraljava: i knew there was problem with ubiquity, but that sounds rather shocking
[15:02] <astraljava> That was pretty shocking, wasn't it. :)
[15:02] <scott-work> knome: again, i'm sorry about that, i got quite cross saturday evening because our arranged famility time began to drag on and on, it didn't help that the kids were misbehaving during that time 
[15:02] <scott-work> s/famility/family
[15:06] <knome> mmh
[15:07] <len> scott-work: Did you see my comments back scrolled from last night?
[15:08] <len> And are they ant help? No worries for A2 anyway.
[15:08] <len> And I'm off to work, just wanted to make sure you had seen it.
[15:10] <scott-work> heh, he left already
[15:10] <scott-work> i think i did, and told cjwatson about some of them, but i'll check back again just to make sure
[15:10] <scott-work> falktx: hi!  any progress on the ubiquity plugin
[15:11] <knome> does "ubiquity plugin" have sth to do with installing alternative "tasks"?
[15:13] <falktx> scott-work: not yet, sorry
[15:13] <falktx> (hey all)
[15:14] <scott-work> knome: aye
[15:14] <astraljava> o/ for falktx 
[15:14] <knome> ok. we need that too ;)
[15:14] <knome> hai falktx  :P
[15:14] <scott-work> knome: cjwatson (or pitti or someone) corrected me that it was a "plugin" rather than a "patch"
[15:15] <knome> i understood stgraber created that
[15:15] <astraljava> Nice, ubiquity crashed, again.
[17:36] <astraljava> scott-work: Just to calm your nerves, Kate has been spotted. :)
[18:37] <scott-work> yay!
[18:38] <knome> is scott-work having a crush?
[18:38]  * knome hides
[18:39] <astraljava> That's what he wanted to hide, too. *smirk*
[18:40] <knome> hehe
[19:14] <scott-work> haha, you guys are funny
[19:14] <scott-work> actually i wanted to ask a question about the upcoming UDS and realized that she also hadn't been in the previous two release team meetings 
[19:24]  * scott-work just realized that astraljava and cjwatson talked quite a bit in #ubuntu-devel and is reading through it now
[19:24]  * scott-work also likes to talk about himself in the third person :P
[19:24] <micahg> scott-work: we said I could stop the Thunar po files from being installed in ubuntustudio-default-settings, right?
[19:26] <scott-work> micahg: absolutely!
[19:26] <micahg> ok, thanks
[19:26] <astraljava> scott-work: others: Yeah, for further monitoring, two bugs were filed; bug 923810 and bug 923830
[19:26] <scott-work> thank you :)
[19:26] <scott-work> astraljava: i saw that, that you as well :)
[19:26] <scott-work> i'm glad we have cjwatson to "read the animal entrails" and figure out what is going on, i certainly wouldn't have been able to do so
[19:27] <scott-work> i like it when cjwatson says, "it's probably something arcane"
[19:27] <astraljava> Hehe.
[19:28] <scott-work> i think you guys are faking me out with kate, probably one of you logged in with "skaet" because she hasn't responded to me yet ;)
[19:30]  * astraljava laughs maniacally
[19:32] <scott-work> lols
[20:24] <micahg> scott-work: should I remove all the Thunar files from the settings package or just the .po files?  there's an rc file as well
[20:26] <knome> astraljava, so when you logged in as skaet, did scott-work tell you dirty things??
[20:26] <scott-work> micahg: our goal is to use nautilus as a file manager, so i would say that we can remove all thunar files
[20:26] <astraljava> Why do you think the laughter was maniacal?
[20:26] <micahg> scott-work: ok, thanks
[20:27] <knome> astraljava, because you told him dirty things back?
[20:27] <knome> ;)
[20:46] <micahg> could someone check the text I changed on the ubuntustudio-icon-theme branch please?
[20:52] <astraljava> micahg: A moment, I'm on it.
[20:53] <micahg> I assume you want all those packages I was working on to land before alphs2, right?
[20:57] <astraljava> micahg: Looking good. Yes, I think that would be desirable.
[20:57] <astraljava> Uh oh... three minutes?
[20:58] <micahg> ok, I got an exception to go past the freeze for the US specific packges
[20:58] <astraljava> Thanks!
[21:26] <micahg> I assume you're not backporting ubuntustudio-look all the way to hardy, right?
[21:26]  * micahg wants to drop an old conflicts/replaces
[21:31] <astraljava> No, I don't think so. :)
[21:32] <micahg> ok, I think I"m ready with everything except the meta
[21:33] <astraljava> Do you need info regarding that?
[21:33] <micahg> no, just time which I'm short on :)
[21:33] <astraljava> Yeah. :-/
[21:44] <micahg> astraljava: I'm also swapping in elementary-icon-theme for ubuntustudio-icon-theme so we can drop the empty package after alpha 2
[21:45] <micahg> in ubuntustudio-look I mean
[21:46] <micahg> is that ok also?
[21:46] <astraljava> micahg: Yeah that's good, thank you!
[22:11] <micahg> I hope I got that maintainer script right :(
[22:12] <micahg> this stuff really never belonged in the -meta package at all IMHO
[22:12] <len> I'll find out tomorrow.. Hoping networking is fixed today.