| nOStahl | hi guys | 00:57 |
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| nOStahl | hows it going | 00:57 |
| StevenG50 | New here, Is the Panda board the only HW platform that you can purchase to expirement with ubuntu-arm? | 02:29 |
| GrueMaster | No, we also support BeagleXM and Frescale Quickstart development boards. | 02:30 |
| GrueMaster | You can also run any other armv7 (Cortex A8/9) compatible system if you have your own kernel. | 02:31 |
| StevenG50 | Any preferance as to which is the better board? From a Performance, longetivity and/or ease of use point of view? | 02:31 |
| GrueMaster | really depends on what you want to do. BeagleXM is great for lightweight projects (Kiosk systems, cups server, etc). Panda is a dual processor with HD Video capabilities, Frescale has SATA for better disk I/O. | 02:33 |
| GrueMaster | All are fairly easy to use. | 02:33 |
| StevenG50 | That is the best information anyone has provided me yet. Gets me something to think about. Thank you! I must admit my interest is morbid curiousity. I dont know what I want to do with it, other than just something to expirement/test with. | 02:35 |
| GrueMaster | Heh, I understand. I have several of each for Ubuntu testing. | 02:36 |
| twb | pfft disks, just push it out to the san ;-P | 02:49 |
| twb | They all have gige right? | 02:49 |
| GrueMaster | No, 100e, | 02:50 |
| twb | lame | 02:50 |
| GrueMaster | Can't ask too much for a cell phone proc. :P | 02:52 |
| twb | Oh I can ask | 02:52 |
| twb | OTOH why would a cellphone need SATA | 02:53 |
| GrueMaster | Last cycle, I had 7 panda's in a CEPH cluster. Painful, but still cool. | 02:53 |
| GrueMaster | And SATA is far faster than SDHC. | 02:53 |
| twb | But why would a cellphone need that | 02:54 |
| twb | That's your argument against adding other whizzo features, right? ;-) | 02:54 |
| GrueMaster | using a SATA based SSD vs eMMC? Speed. Pure unadultrated speed. | 02:54 |
| twb | Pft, just load everything into ram | 02:55 |
| twb | You only need the SD at boot time and nobody turns their cells off | 02:55 |
| GrueMaster | No arm system ships with more than 1G. | 02:55 |
| twb | 1G should be enough to 100 users! | 02:55 |
| twb | grumble grumble | 02:56 |
| GrueMaster | SOC vendors ship to anyone that wants a proc. It is easier to have features disabled, than non-existent. | 02:57 |
| twb | They should ship a disabled gige controller then :-/ | 02:57 |
| GrueMaster | I can see the Freescale part competing with Marvell for the small NAS box market. | 02:57 |
| twb | A $200 NAS appliance ought to do gige | 02:58 |
| StevenG50 | is the Freescale demo board the I.MX51? | 02:58 |
| GrueMaster | I think the nic is part of the USB controller. It is on omap3/4. | 02:58 |
| GrueMaster | mx53. | 02:58 |
| StevenG50 | I would imagine if you use the mx53 board the easiset thing would be to output via a serial port in ssh/telnet and skimp on the video module. | 03:05 |
| recur | Anyone using an MX53? | 04:22 |
| recur | I built the entire BSP, but I can't find the GPU driver. Someone said it was gpu.ko but it's not there. Bit mystified :) | 04:22 |
| jvcleave | trying to figure out how to ssh into Beaglebone with it installed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP | 04:52 |
| recur | also hellogl_es2 starts up but the gl widget is black | 05:01 |
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| Snark | plop | 08:31 |
| Snark | doko, how can I know which files are compiled in glibc? Looking at the Makefiles, I have no clue... for example in sysdeps/ieee754, there are *four* e_lgammal_r.c ! | 08:33 |
| trelane | greetings, with regard to rootstock, it now claims to be replaced by live-build (Which seems to generate iso's). Is there a HOWTO that I haven't found yet for using live-build to build a root tarball | 10:01 |
| trelane | greetings, with regard to rootstock, it now claims to be replaced by live-build (Which seems to generate iso's). Is there a HOWTO that I haven't found yet for using live-build to build a root tarball | 11:49 |
| trelane | basically I just need something to copy onto an SD card | 11:49 |
| rbasak | overnight: 39 success, 9 failures (looks like the same debootstrap proxy/skew problem) | 12:06 |
| ogra_ | trelane, if you just want a minimal rootfs, have a look at ubuntu-core (it is totally unconfigured though) | 12:07 |
| trelane | ogra_: noted. I don't need a lot of config, though that looks like it includes some things I don't need | 12:15 |
| ogra_ | ?? | 12:16 |
| ogra_ | it is the most minimal ubuntu you can build | 12:16 |
| trelane | pulse, gtk, etc | 12:16 |
| ogra_ | by definition just enough OS to run apt | 12:17 |
| trelane | ok Base Core = Core | 12:17 |
| trelane | got it | 12:17 |
| ogra_ | no | 12:17 |
| trelane | trying to figure out what Ubuntu-Core is based on the flow chart on the core website | 12:17 |
| ogra_ | i'm talking about the ubuntu-core tarballs you can get on cdimage.ubuntu.com | 12:17 |
| ogra_ | it contains everything debooorstrap --minbase installs plus apt and its deps | 12:18 |
| trelane | ok, yeah that's small | 12:18 |
| ogra_ | has no users or rootpw configured nor does it have a network setup, hostname etc | 12:18 |
| ogra_ | tarball is around 30M... unpacked it should be between 80 and 120M | 12:18 |
| trelane | ok that's no big deal at all. I can script that and do the construction in qemu :) | 12:20 |
| trelane | thanks! | 12:20 |
| ndec | trelane: you might find that useful http://omappedia.org/wiki/OMAP_Ubuntu_Core | 12:27 |
| trelane | ndec: already found it on my own | 12:27 |
| trelane | reading it now | 12:27 |
| ndec | hey, google is cool ;-) | 12:28 |
| trelane | ndec: I'm actually an idiot, I merely have lighting fast google skills and therefore can fool most people | 12:28 |
| trelane | you guys might want to put a note on the rootstock page that ubuntu-core is now the preferred solution | 12:28 |
| ndec | i will update it soon with a section about using mainline kernel and uboot instead of the prebuilt kernel from ubuntu. but basically if you checkout any recent mainline, and build you can use that with ubuntu-core just fine. | 12:28 |
| ogra_ | ndec, there is a typo btw | 12:29 |
| ndec | where? | 12:30 |
| ogra_ | sudo C_ALL=C chroot . /bin/bash | 12:30 |
| ogra_ | should be LC_ALL | 12:30 |
| trelane | I'm usually a Funtoo (Gentoo fork) guy, and after a few hours of looking at the OE build system, how they attempted to emulate gentoo, FAILED TOTALLY, then stuck somethign vaguely debian like on top, I gave up | 12:30 |
| ndec | ogra_: let me check | 12:30 |
| trelane | I don't know how OE happened but if there wasn't enough alcohol involved to stun a team of oxen... I'd be shocked. | 12:30 |
| ndec | ogra_: fixed | 12:32 |
| ogra_ | great :) | 12:32 |
| ndec | trelane: this is probably not the right place to talk about OE, even for bashing against OE ... | 12:32 |
| trelane | noted :) | 12:33 |
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| ppisati | rbasak: did you manage to test the new kernel with the installer? | 15:49 |
| GrueMaster | ppisati: I just ran netinstall as part of my milestone testing. Seems to have run just fine. I'll check the logs for any unnoticed residue. | 16:53 |
| Riddell | GrueMaster: where can I find a basic intro to installing ubuntu on a pandaboard? | 16:53 |
| ppisati | GrueMaster: cool | 16:54 |
| GrueMaster | Riddell: I think there is a link off http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM | 16:54 |
| infinity | Also linked from the image download pages on cdimage. | 16:54 |
| ndec | ogra_: hi. on our private PPA we have a msg like that "A recent upload has resulted in 5 pending builds. " do you know what that means? | 17:10 |
| ogra_ | nope | 17:10 |
| ndec | or davidm if you're around... | 17:10 |
| ndec | ogra_: argh, not sure if it looks good or not. who should i ask? | 17:11 |
| ogra_ | i would assume your packages sit in the queue or some such | 17:11 |
| ndec | ogra_: another problem is that now that we start pushing kernel in PPA, we are reaching the size limit quickly. | 17:13 |
| ogra_ | that shouldnt be a prob, though likely needs davids approval first | 17:14 |
| ogra_ | you could ask in #launchpad if they can just bump the size, if they need any additional approval we can manage i guess | 17:14 |
| ndec | ok. | 17:15 |
| * ogra_ takes a look at the queue if there is anything from you in teher | 17:15 | |
| ndec | ogra_: i asked on #launchpad too | 17:17 |
| ogra_ | ah, k | 17:17 |
| ogra_ | ndec, i see an alsa-utils build that has -ti in the version at https://launchpad.net/builders | 17:18 |
| ogra_ | (the PPA builders are the bottom ones) | 17:18 |
| ogra_ | seems the builders are busy beyond that, so it could well be that your packages are qeued | 17:19 |
| ogra_ | ah, now it also has totem and tibtfm | 17:20 |
| ogra_ | and uboot | 17:20 |
| infinity | ndec, ogra_ : buildd-manager was down, hence the queued builds going nowhere. Got fixed just a while ago. | 17:21 |
| ogra_ | ah, k | 17:21 |
| infinity | ndec: As for increasing PPA size, that doesn't need any management approval or anything, just present a case for it to launchpad folks. | 17:21 |
| infinity | (Though, they may require a slightly less hand-wavy case for non-Canonical PPAs demanding size bumps, I doubt yours will be an issue) | 17:22 |
| * ogra_ thought so ... though it wouldnt have been a prob to get such approval indeed :) | 17:22 | |
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| GrueMaster | ppisati: Did you see my earlier message? I may have experienced an irc net-split. | 17:35 |
| ndec | infinity: ogra_: thx. looks like our builds are going on now. | 17:38 |
| ogra_ | :) | 17:38 |
| ndec | about the size, I will request for more indeed. will ask you if i need support | 17:38 |
| ogra_ | dont hesitate :) | 17:38 |
| ndec | why would i ;-) | 17:40 |
| ppisati | GrueMaster: nope, which one? | 17:40 |
| ogra_ | <GrueMaster> ppisati: I just ran netinstall as part of my milestone testing. Seems to have run just fine. I'll check the logs for any unnoticed residue. | 17:41 |
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| GrueMaster | Re: omap kernel mac address. | 17:41 |
| ppisati | GrueMaster: what's that? | 17:41 |
| GrueMaster | ogra_: That was a lot earlier. | 17:41 |
| ogra_ | GrueMaster, oh, then your other messages went unnoticed | 17:42 |
| GrueMaster | ppisati: On the omap kernel, you mentioned something about a change for the mac address? Is it just enabling the "smsc95xx.macaddr=" parameter in the module or is it getting the mac from the soc die id? | 17:42 |
| GrueMaster | There, reposted. | 17:42 |
| ppisati | GrueMaster: the second one | 17:42 |
| ppisati | GrueMaster: it seems i can't change the mac anymore | 17:43 |
| GrueMaster | Cool, thanks. I'll double check it here and let you know how well it works. | 17:43 |
| ppisati | GrueMaster: sudo ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:11:22:33:44:55 | 17:43 |
| GrueMaster | Nah, just reboot. If it stays the same, my dhcp server will know immediately. | 17:44 |
| ppisati | k | 17:44 |
| GrueMaster | While you're here, on omap4, is there a camera module built into the kernel now? oem-config is trying to take a picture but there is no camera so it only has a small section of the previous screen. | 17:45 |
| ogra_ | it shouldnt offer you to take the pic in the first place if there is no camere attached | 17:47 |
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| rbasak | ppisati: no random panics after 48 test installs overnight. I'm using a kernel I built from the git source tree yesterday - not sure what the installer kernel is at the moment. So it's looking good. | 17:49 |
| GrueMaster | ogra_: Hence why I asked. If ubiquity is detecting a camera module, it is activating that section. | 17:50 |
| GrueMaster | It doesn't do it on omap or mx5. | 17:50 |
| ogra_ | i guess it looks for the actual device in /dev | 17:52 |
| ogra_ | GrueMaster, look for /dev/videoX | 17:53 |
| GrueMaster | yep. /dev/video0 exists. | 17:53 |
| ogra_ | that might be it | 17:53 |
| GrueMaster | Found it in dmesg. "Linux video capture interface: v2.00" | 17:55 |
| ogra_ | crap ... i wonder how ubiquity should find out if there is actually a camera attached | 17:55 |
| ogra_ | /dev/video0 might as well come from your TV card or some such | 17:56 |
| ogra_ | so that bug can happen on such setups too | 17:56 |
| GrueMaster | That might be...interesting. Have it take a snapshot of a klingon or something. | 17:56 |
| ogra_ | heh | 17:57 |
| GrueMaster | So, I should file a bug against ubiquity for this? | 17:57 |
| ppisati | GrueMaster: yep, there's camera support in it but it should be broken | 17:57 |
| ogra_ | GrueMaster, yes | 17:59 |
| ogra_ | if there isnt one already | 17:59 |
| GrueMaster | ok. | 17:59 |
| ogra_ | i can easily imagine there are a lot video capture cards out there where people see it too | 17:59 |
| * GrueMaster notes this will be the 4th bug filed in 2 days on ubiquity/oem-config. | 17:59 | |
| ogra_ | awesome | 18:00 |
| ogra_ | to sad we dont have an ubiquity maintainer atm | 18:00 |
| GrueMaster | ??? | 18:00 |
| GrueMaster | Where's Evan or Colin? | 18:00 |
| ogra_ | ev doesnt do it this release | 18:00 |
| GrueMaster | Ah. | 18:01 |
| ogra_ | colin and stgraber step in for him though | 18:01 |
| GrueMaster | I was looking at that code yesterday, trying to figure out preseeding. What a mess. | 18:02 |
| ogra_ | it all becomes clear with enough alcohol in your blood though | 18:03 |
| * GrueMaster needs to make an emergency run to the liquor store. | 18:06 | |
| GrueMaster | This camera module, how is it supposed to report no camera detected? | 18:06 |
| ogra_ | dont forget to expense it ! | 18:07 |
| ndec | GrueMaster: ogra_: we did get some problems with 11.10 when using a kernel with v4l2 camera driver on panda... | 18:17 |
| ndec | some of our panda don't have the actual camera plugged, but the kernel does not detect that... and ubiquity tries to make a picture... | 18:18 |
| ogra_ | ndec, yes, we had issues in 12.04 too, thats why it was disabled | 18:18 |
| ogra_ | but not completely it seems | 18:18 |
| ndec | on panda? | 18:19 |
| ogra_ | yep | 18:19 |
| ndec | we have a horrible hack in ubiquity to bypass the camera detection... so if you come up with a proper fix this is better ;-) | 18:19 |
| ogra_ | well, as i said above, i dont get how that works on systems with TV capture cards | 18:20 |
| ogra_ | they surely also have /dev/video | 18:20 |
| ndec | yep, i am interested to understand how ubiquity understands there is a camera too... if you figure out... | 18:20 |
| ogra_ | well, tobin will file a bug, we will see :) | 18:21 |
| ndec | please subscribe tiomap-dev on the bug | 18:21 |
| ogra_ | k | 18:21 |
| GrueMaster | Done and done. | 18:28 |
| GrueMaster | Bug 924419 | 18:28 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 924419 in ubiquity "oem-config detecting camera where no camera exists" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/924419 | 18:28 |
| ogra_ | thx ! | 18:30 |
| GrueMaster | ogra_: Where are the debug symbol packages for arm? ports or somewhere else? | 18:40 |
| infinity | GrueMaster: Everything's on ddebs.ubuntu.com, but (and this is a big but), not everything is represented. :( | 18:41 |
| infinity | GrueMaster: pitti keeps culling random old releases and non-primary arches as he runs out of space. | 18:41 |
| infinity | GrueMaster: Though, we seem to have armel/armhf for precise, at least. | 18:42 |
| GrueMaster | Ok. ev wants me to run a backtrace on this ubiquity panel crash. | 18:43 |
| GrueMaster | Since I can't just file it. | 18:44 |
| ppisati | GrueMaster: did you reboot the beable? | 19:38 |
| GrueMaster | Doing so now. Got caught up in an installer bug on omap4. | 19:39 |
| GrueMaster | Nope, it didn't have the same mac on reboot. | 19:41 |
| GrueMaster | It was supposed to get it from the die id, right? | 19:41 |
| ppisati | nope, you get a random one | 19:44 |
| ppisati | but i thought you configured it to get a fixed one | 19:44 |
| GrueMaster | How do I configure the system to get a fixed mac address? | 19:45 |
| ppisati | via /etc/network/interfaces but i can't make it work anymore, that | 19:46 |
| ppisati | s why i asked, because i thought you did | 19:46 |
| GrueMaster | There is no way to automate that, especially during a netinstall. | 19:46 |
| ppisati | k | 19:47 |
| GrueMaster | I need either a die id (like omap4) or a kernel cmdline parameter. | 19:47 |
| GrueMaster | Die id is preferred as then I don't need to modify the preinstalled images. | 19:49 |
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