| cjohnston | pleia2: did you get my email today? | 01:14 |
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| pleia2 | cjohnston: yeah, and I forgot about the superbowl :) I don't care but it does mean sports bars are out and some people might not come out | 01:47 |
| pleia2 | cjohnston: if it's ok I'll push an update to the -us-ca list and we'll start planning something | 01:47 |
| cjohnston | sounds good | 01:50 |
| pleia2 | cool | 01:50 |
| pleia2 | I'll cc: you on it, how many people on your side do you think will come? | 01:50 |
| cjohnston | no idea.. im trying to figure out if I'm allowed to send an email out to everyone | 01:51 |
| pleia2 | ok, I think we should both stress it's sort of an ubuntu friends meetup so we don't get like 50 people coming to a small venue | 01:52 |
| pleia2 | plus I need to know about venue size :) | 01:52 |
| pleia2 | I don't actually know the area down there all that well so I'll be feeding info you give me to others who are | 01:53 |
| pleia2 | k, sent | 01:57 |
| pleia2 | can I fix a typo on http://uds.ubuntu.com/travel/ or is this in RCS that I need to be aware of? | 02:00 |
| pleia2 | one of our more... enthusiastic loco members went through the whole site and sent me a massive email telling me everything that's wrong with it | 02:01 |
| pleia2 | (I intend to ask him to submit bugs for most of these) | 02:02 |
| mhall119 | pleia2: do you have access to the site? | 02:05 |
| mhall119 | if not, send me the list and I'll update it | 02:05 |
| pleia2 | mhall119: yes, I have access | 02:05 |
| mhall119 | you should be fine to make any necessary changes then | 02:07 |
| pleia2 | great, thanks | 02:07 |
| mhall119 | thank you :) | 02:08 |
| pleia2 | mhall119: do you know anything about the hotel itself? he pointed out that the conference is in City Center http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/oakdt-oakland-marriott-city-center/ but when you click through to reserve a room it sends you to Downtown: http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/oakcd-courtyard-oakland-downtown/ | 02:10 |
| pleia2 | they aren't far from each other, but they are different hotels | 02:10 |
| mhall119 | pleia2: I don't, but marianna probably does | 02:16 |
| pleia2 | ok, thanks :) | 02:16 |
| mhall119 | np | 02:16 |
| pleia2 | ok, email sent off to marianna, once I hear back we'll probably want to update the page to mention they don't have the same address so people don't try to check into the wrong hotel when they arrive :) | 02:34 |
| pleia2 | also, sheesh UDS isn't until May! my loco people are so excited already, I still haven't gotten over SCALE... | 02:35 |
| pleia2 | loco loco... | 02:35 |
| nigelb | pleia2: heh | 02:50 |
| mhall119 | pleia2: it is exciting to have UDS in your own backyard | 03:13 |
| pleia2 | indeed :) | 03:14 |
| nigelb | mhall119: quick question | 03:30 |
| nigelb | Have you ever seen this -> 'LazySettings' object is unsubscriptable | 03:30 |
| nigelb | Happens when I try to do this -> filename = '%s/%s_%s' % (settings['UPLOAD_DIR'], int(time()), f.name) | 03:31 |
| nigelb | oh er, nevermind. | 03:35 |
| dpm | good morning all | 07:59 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 08:08 |
| bkerensa | dholbach good night! :) | 08:20 |
| dholbach | hey bkerensa :) | 08:27 |
| alourie | good morning | 08:59 |
| nigelb | AlanBell: I'm glad the partner discussion picked up. | 10:09 |
| AlanBell | I think the partner repo is a distraction tbh | 10:10 |
| popey | +1 | 10:11 |
| AlanBell | business desktop != proprietary hotness | 10:11 |
| nigelb | amen | 10:40 |
| duanedesign | hey nigelb | 11:35 |
| duanedesign | hope you have been well | 11:35 |
| daker | dholbach, no problem | 11:51 |
| * dholbach hugs daker :) | 12:21 | |
| * popey sighs at dpic | 12:25 | |
| popey | a) spamming lots of lists | 12:25 |
| popey | b) etc | 12:25 |
| czajkowski | fsf mail ? | 12:25 |
| popey | yes | 12:29 |
| popey | nice referal code in there | 12:29 |
| popey | nothing about what the fsf have done | 12:30 |
| czajkowski | saw both mails this morning skimmed and deleted | 12:30 |
| czajkowski | hmmm need to get my ssh keys off old machine and onto here | 12:31 |
| mhall119 | nigelb: you need to do settings.UPLOAD_DIR or getattr(settings, 'UPLOAD_DIR') | 12:54 |
| mhall119 | settings isn't a dict | 12:54 |
| mhall119 | and Python isn't Javascript :P | 12:54 |
| doctormon | mhall119: Did the Precise issues for Singlet get fixed? | 13:23 |
| mhall119 | doctormon: yes they did :) | 13:23 |
| mhall119 | version 0.2.1 is the latest, it works in Precise and supports external Scopes now too | 13:24 |
| doctormon | What are external scopes? | 13:24 |
| mhall119 | scopes that exist outside of their lens | 13:25 |
| mhall119 | like add-ons to lenses, that can be written seperately | 13:25 |
| mhall119 | doctormon: http://mhall119.com/2012/01/singlet-part-0-2/ | 13:26 |
| doctormon | Is this an architectural thing or is it useful for the developer to understand? | 13:26 |
| mhall119 | singlet? | 13:27 |
| mhall119 | or that blog | 13:27 |
| dpm | dholbach, I saw on the UDW announcement that we're recommending Lernid again? | 13:32 |
| dholbach | dpm, hum, I tried it and it worked for me? | 13:34 |
| mhall119 | yeah, someone had been doing some work to get it fixed up | 13:34 |
| dpm | dholbach, I haven't tried it myself. I'm writing a blog post on d.u.c about UDW and I was just wondering if I should recommend it too | 13:35 |
| mhall119 | dpm: someone made an interesting suggestion on G+, can we post links to the classroom logs on d.u.c? | 13:36 |
| mhall119 | it seems that they might be a good learning resource, as good as tutorials sometimes | 13:37 |
| dpm | mhall119, it's a good idea, but I think I'd prefer having full-blown tutorials about writing apps in there. We're already struggling trying to make people understand developing _the_ platform and _for_ the platform, and having links to topics related to creating and maintaining Ubuntu might confuse app developers, who are a different audience. | 13:42 |
| mhall119 | dpm: how much of developing _the_ platform is on d.u.c? | 13:43 |
| dpm | mhall119, right now, there isn't any info on that apart from the packaging guide | 13:44 |
| mhall119 | I know that unity.u.c has info for development of Unity itself | 13:45 |
| dpm | and another page pointing the difference between making the platform and developing the platform, where we encourage people to join the effort | 13:45 |
| mhall119 | it's probably best to keep d.u.c as _for_ the platform | 13:45 |
| dpm | yeah | 13:45 |
| mhall119 | dpm: I've just shared a google doc with you | 13:46 |
| mhall119 | I'm working on re-structing unity.u.c/get-involved | 13:46 |
| mhall119 | if you have any suggestions or insights | 13:47 |
| dpm | mhall119, ah, cool, thanks. Let me finish this blog post and I'll have a look. | 13:47 |
| jussi | can someone zap jono when he comes in - I need to talk to him | 13:49 |
| mhall119 | like,with a cattle prod or something? | 13:50 |
| * mhall119 gets out his Ubuntu branded tazer | 13:51 | |
| doctormon | mhall119: The scopes/lens relationship, is it important for developers of lenses to know if they're using singlet? | 13:53 |
| doctormon | jussi: Impossible! No known force can get jono out of bed at 4am ;-) | 13:54 |
| mhall119 | doctormon: yeah, it's pretty foundational | 13:55 |
| jussi | doctormon: heh... | 13:55 |
| doctormon | So what's the rationale? | 13:55 |
| dholbach | mhall119, james_w, if one of you feel a bit bored some time and want to help me out with harvest, you could have a look at two really small merge proposals, which will hopefully get harvest working again :-) http://pad.lv/mps/harvest | 13:56 |
| mhall119 | doctormon: lenses describe the categories and filters for content | 13:56 |
| mhall119 | doctormon: scopes find the content and send it to the lens | 13:57 |
| doctormon | mhall119: Thanks, I know you've described that to be before. | 13:57 |
| doctormon | So Scopes are Lens-Sources and Lenses are Scope-Displays. Sort of the view and controller of the MVC framework. | 13:58 |
| mhall119 | doctormon: we have it written down now too, one second.. | 13:58 |
| mhall119 | doctormon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Lenses/Guidelines | 13:59 |
| mhall119 | doctormon: yeah, you've got the idea | 13:59 |
| dpm | dholbach, I've just seen this. It might be interesting as a countdown to each one of the UDW days in the developers FB page | 13:59 |
| mhall119 | doctormon: btw, there will be an hour lens session at 1900 | 13:59 |
| dpm | http://timeanddate.com/facebook/countdown.html | 13:59 |
| dholbach | nice | 14:00 |
| dholbach | for today though I guess I'll let the opportunity pass | 14:00 |
| dholbach | and concentrate on getting my session content together ;-) | 14:01 |
| * dpm hugs dholbach :) | 14:01 | |
| mhall119 | doctormon: yeah, so Lens==view, Scope==controller (model is the variables passed to the API) | 14:01 |
| * dholbach hugs dpm back | 14:01 | |
| doctormon | mhall119: In my head the model is actually what ever database you're backing onto. | 14:02 |
| mhall119 | Unity has a Results model | 14:02 |
| mhall119 | that the scope populates, and the lens displays | 14:02 |
| doctormon | mhall119: You just said "form is the aspects passed to the shape" lol | 14:03 |
| mhall119 | I did? | 14:04 |
| doctormon | But that results model is just an internal api, not useful for conceptualisation? | 14:04 |
| mhall119 | no, it's useful for conceptualizing too | 14:04 |
| mhall119 | you just don't interact with it much, and you can't extend it | 14:05 |
| doctormon | so it's more of a pipe, not much of a model. | 14:07 |
| mhall119 | I think it's an actual model internally, but for a scope author it's just a variable you call .append() on and pass a handful of strings to | 14:10 |
| doctormon | mhall119: OK so for my MVC analogy, it's just some internal ruffage. | 14:11 |
| mhall119 | yup | 14:11 |
| nigelb | mhall119: Yeah, I figured it out :) | 14:44 |
| jcastro | \o/ | 14:59 |
| mhall119 | morning jcastro | 15:00 |
| dpm | UDW has started! \o/ | 15:02 |
| mhall119 | \o/ | 15:07 |
| jcastro | I appear to have depleted my caffeine supply off schedule | 15:13 |
| jcastro | <--- store, bbi 10minutes | 15:20 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: get me some coffee | 15:21 |
| jcastro | sure, anything else? | 15:21 |
| jussi | and me a beer! | 15:21 |
| cjohnston | +1 | 15:21 |
| akgraner | balloons, ping - do you have a few minutes to talk about Unity Testing? skype, google+ etc | 15:32 |
| akgraner | if not now just let me know when's a good time - thx | 15:34 |
| balloons | akgraner, pong.. I can chat on IRC now, should be good for g+ @ 11 | 15:34 |
| balloons | sorry 1600 utc | 15:35 |
| akgraner | no worries | 15:35 |
| balloons | err.. my calendar might be disagreeing with me on that one | 15:35 |
| balloons | heh | 15:35 |
| akgraner | balloons, now worries - see pm :-) | 15:36 |
| jono | hey all | 15:49 |
| balloons | hey jono | 15:49 |
| jcastro | buenas mornings | 15:50 |
| balloons | top of the mornin' to ya | 15:57 |
| jcastro | man dholbach | 15:58 |
| jcastro | The content this time around is awesome | 15:58 |
| jcastro | I mean, like the topics are sweet | 15:58 |
| dholbach | yeah, I'm quite excited myself :) | 15:59 |
| jcastro | hey make sure you lmk how this focused three days works out | 15:59 |
| jcastro | I am convinced in my head that not diving in on a Monday will pay benefits | 15:59 |
| dholbach | jono, I'm giving UDW session right now - can't attend the hang out | 16:00 |
| jono | dholbach, np, I have a call anyway | 16:05 |
| jcastro | hey balloons | 16:14 |
| jcastro | (hah, I love your nick, what other job can you say "hey ballons") | 16:14 |
| balloons | jcastro, :-) | 16:15 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: +1 | 16:15 |
| jcastro | hey so Case Conductor | 16:15 |
| jcastro | it working yet? Or are we still blocking on that? | 16:15 |
| jcastro | did Stefano ping you guys back? | 16:16 |
| balloons | kind of odd how it all happened to end up as balloons, but | 16:16 |
| balloons | ahh yes cc | 16:16 |
| mhall119 | jcastro, balloons, dpm, want to hangout? | 16:16 |
| jcastro | I love hanging out! | 16:16 |
| doctormon | Oh where? | 16:16 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: cool, give me 4 hours and I'll be there, what's for dinner? | 16:16 |
| balloons | mmmm.. dinner@ | 16:16 |
| jcastro | hah awesome, I'll get beer! | 16:16 |
| balloons | my wife is an excellent cook, should you wish to come to chilly north fl | 16:17 |
| balloons | hehe | 16:17 |
| dpm | mhall119, balloons, jcastro, sure, give me 2 mins to fetch the headphones, I thought we were having an irc meeting today | 16:17 |
| jcastro | sold. | 16:17 |
| jcastro | Yeah I thought today was IRC | 16:17 |
| jcastro | and tomorrow was G+ | 16:17 |
| doctormon | balloons: North florida? chilly? I'm in Boston it's 2C | 16:17 |
| jcastro | 2c? What is that in american? | 16:17 |
| jcastro | yikes, that's like, 35ish? | 16:17 |
| doctormon | 38F | 16:17 |
| balloons | yea.. it's 68 F here | 16:17 |
| balloons | chilly | 16:17 |
| balloons | for jcastro anyway | 16:18 |
| balloons | ... | 16:18 |
| balloons | lol | 16:18 |
| doctormon | I wish I had my charicter pallet back... I could do a degree symbol with that. | 16:18 |
| jcastro | it's a chilly 73 here | 16:18 |
| mhall119 | invite sent to the whole team | 16:18 |
| doctormon | jcastro: 73 what? ;-) | 16:18 |
| mhall119 | even though dholbach and jono can't make it just yet | 16:18 |
| jcastro | F | 16:18 |
| dpm | ok, coming over | 16:19 |
| balloons | doctormon, for South Florida, you count the harershness of winter by the number of days it doesn't break 70.. so yes, 68 is sweater weath | 16:22 |
| balloons | *weather | 16:22 |
| doctormon | balloons: Yes as I understand it you might as well be in the south of spain or marrocco. | 16:22 |
| balloons | southern spain would be lovely | 16:23 |
| doctormon | balloons: I've been away for a few weeks, are you new or are you using a new name? | 16:34 |
| balloons | doctormon, I am new.. I am the new member of the community team @ canonical | 16:34 |
| balloons | I'm focusing on QA | 16:35 |
| doctormon | Ah I saw the blog post about that. Welcome. | 16:35 |
| balloons | thank you :-0 | 16:39 |
| jono | dholbach, how has dev week been going? | 16:53 |
| dholbach | jono, 332 users and bleeding fingers | 16:54 |
| jono | dholbach, nice! | 16:54 |
| jono | that is awesome :-) | 16:54 |
| jono | <mrburnsvoice>332 potential ubuntu developers...yeeees</mrburnsvoice> | 16:54 |
| * dholbach hugs jono | 17:00 | |
| dholbach | james_w, you're a hero | 17:05 |
| james_w | dholbach, what was the other? | 17:05 |
| dholbach | just the two on https://code.launchpad.net/harvest/+activereviews | 17:06 |
| james_w | dholbach, is the other crashing on numbers? | 17:08 |
| dholbach | james_w, I had the packageset object already, which I normally would have just removed like: bla.remove(packageset) | 17:09 |
| dholbach | instead I did: bla.remove(PackageSet.objects.get(name=packageset)) | 17:09 |
| james_w | sorry, I mean the unicode one | 17:09 |
| dholbach | with name (string) = (object) - which was rather horrible and embarrassing :) | 17:10 |
| dholbach | ah, hang on | 17:10 |
| dholbach | james_w, in the past it tried to convert a <unicode> back to <str> | 17:10 |
| dholbach | that's why I put the type check in place | 17:10 |
| james_w | shouldn't it be always setting it to unicode now? | 17:11 |
| dholbach | theoretically it shouldn't hurt to do that :) | 17:12 |
| james_w | dholbach, I think it looks ok, but I'd lean towards to just unicoding everything | 17:15 |
| james_w | there's probably something I'm missing though | 17:15 |
| dholbach | james_w, I'll test it :) | 17:16 |
| dholbach | a bit of unicodification never hurt anyone, right? | 17:16 |
| james_w | heh | 17:16 |
| dholbach | james_w, I updated it to "unicode everything" :) | 17:24 |
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| dholbach | it seems to work alright | 17:25 |
| james_w | dholbach, cool | 17:26 |
| james_w | approved aussi | 17:26 |
| dholbach | james_w, merci bien mon ami | 17:26 |
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| dholbach | alright my friends - I call it a day - dinner is calling | 17:39 |
| * dholbach hugs you all | 17:39 | |
| dholbach | james_w, thanks again - let's hope this will get Harvest fixed again finally :) | 17:41 |
| dholbach | bye :) | 17:42 |
| jono | mhall119, so in terms of the bugs lens | 17:53 |
| jono | my thinking is that it could be new way in which people find bugs | 17:53 |
| jono | so they can filter by bitesize, or possibly even by package | 17:53 |
| jono | or subscribe to certain packages and it will display bugs for those packages | 17:54 |
| jono | or possibly even filter by types of bugs (e.g. bitesize, has a patch, sponsorship queue bugs etc) | 17:54 |
| mhall119 | jono: ok | 17:55 |
| jono | mhall119, I think this would need some careful design consideration | 17:55 |
| jono | but it could potentially be the new way in which people find and fix bugs | 17:55 |
| mhall119 | I know doctormon had talked about wanting a broader launchpad lens | 17:56 |
| mhall119 | not sure if he's started one yet or not | 17:57 |
| jono | I am wondering if it would make sense to have lenses by content type - e.g. a lens for bugs, one for code, one for translations | 17:57 |
| jono | and then it could include other source such as bugtrackers | 17:57 |
| jono | I love this because it could integrate the development experience neatly into Unityu | 17:58 |
| jono | I love this because it could integrate the development experience neatly into Unity | 17:58 |
| mhall119 | we could make a generic developer lens | 17:58 |
| mhall119 | with categories for bugs, branches, translations | 17:58 |
| mhall119 | and scopes for LP, github, bitbucket etc | 17:59 |
| mhall119 | instead of separate lenses | 17:59 |
| jono | mhall119, oh I see so you would filter by development type | 18:00 |
| mhall119 | yup | 18:00 |
| jono | but could I select Bugs as a filter and then it display filter options specific to bugs? | 18:01 |
| jono | otherwise there be | 18:01 |
| jono | otherwise there be hundreds of filter options | 18:01 |
| mhall119 | you can expand the Bugs category | 18:01 |
| mhall119 | yeah, filters might make it complicated, I haven't done much with them yet | 18:01 |
| jono | my hunch is that we might need different lenses for bugs, code, translations e.g | 18:02 |
| jono | and I think code and translations would not really need a lens | 18:02 |
| jono | but bugs would, because people search bugs lists all the time | 18:02 |
| AlanBell | this will make launchpad cry a bit | 18:04 |
| * AlanBell still wants to know how to do a lens that asks for a username and password | 18:05 | |
| popey | AlanBell: store credentials in the gnome keyring? | 18:15 |
| AlanBell | how do I ask for them? | 18:16 |
| AlanBell | if the user gives me their username and password I can put that in gnome-keyring and get it back next time. Cool. It is the first part I am stuck on | 18:17 |
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| jcastro | mhall119: yo, you get my multimonitor mail I just sent? | 18:45 |
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| jcastro | balloons: nice work on that forum thread. | 18:45 |
| jcastro | man, today is an awesomee "all cylinders firing" day | 18:46 |
| balloons | jcastro, ohh yea.. this week is rockin' | 18:46 |
| balloons | i feel like i need to stand.. i'm bouncing in my chair | 18:46 |
| jcastro | jono: for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=546KjKMB9kw | 18:47 |
| jcastro | that is me yesterday with bzr | 18:47 |
| jono | haha | 18:48 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: yup, I'll reblog it | 18:48 |
| jcastro | mhall119: aaaaawwwww yeah | 18:48 |
| mhall119 | 43 | 18:49 |
| mhall119 | gah | 18:49 |
| jcastro | jono: I can't believe I am asking this but | 18:55 |
| jcastro | am I friending jono bacon the person or jono bacon the public figure | 18:55 |
| cjohnston | lol | 18:56 |
| jono | jcastro, LOL | 18:57 |
| jono | the person | 18:57 |
| * mhall119 wants to register Jono Bacon as a product or service | 19:01 | |
| mhall119 | wait, Jorge Castro would suite that even better | 19:01 |
| mhall119 | "Jorge Castro, now with 10% fewer calories!" | 19:02 |
| jcastro | 10% less calories, 100% more indigestible METAL. | 19:09 |
| mhall119 | and fiber | 19:20 |
| mhall119 | and for the vegans, new Soy Jorge! | 19:20 |
| bkerensa | jono: Any Q+A this week? | 19:27 |
| jono | yup | 19:28 |
| cjohnston | jono: mhall119 jcastro nigelb http://chrisjohnston.org/ubuntu/big-changes-to-summit | 21:41 |
| mhall119 | cjohnston: nice! | 21:42 |
| mhall119 | cjohnston: but no mention of mobile display work? | 21:43 |
| cjohnston | it isnt available yet | 21:44 |
| cjohnston | but i was gonna put it in that it was coming | 21:44 |
| mhall119 | oh | 21:44 |
| cjohnston | going to edit | 21:44 |
| cjohnston | uggh | 21:44 |
| jcastro | hey so mhall119 | 22:40 |
| jcastro | is the staging ppa ok to use if I'm looking to have some fun? | 22:40 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: as long as you don't have the HUD PPA enabled | 22:46 |
| mhall119 | never, ever cross the ppas | 22:47 |
| mhall119 | total protonic reversal and all that | 22:47 |
| doctormon | mhall119: Zule M'F; | 22:57 |
| doctormon | mhall119: Watched City of Embers last night, Bill Muray makes a great villan. | 23:03 |
| mhall119 | doctormon: Im reading that to my kids, how was the movie? | 23:14 |
| doctormon | mhall119: I thought it was great. Fun, exciting, the visuals are stunning. Shame it cost $55 million to make and only recouped $12m so no sequel. | 23:15 |
| doctormon | Although normally books are better than movies :-) | 23:15 |
| balloons | mhall119, ppa joke too funny | 23:20 |
| doctormon | mhall119: Who's the dude who looks after developing for launchpadlib? | 23:34 |
| doctormon | I'm getting really frusrated with the launchpad documentation. All I want is the API doc and it's hidden behind layers and layers of howtos... It sounds odd but there's just too much documentation. | 23:35 |
| cjohnston | http://www.lolshirts.com/products/powered-by-bacon-t-shirt--3 | 23:49 |
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