[01:14] <cjohnston> pleia2: did you get my email today?
[01:47] <pleia2> cjohnston: yeah, and I forgot about the superbowl :) I don't care but it does mean sports bars are out and some people might not come out
[01:47] <pleia2> cjohnston: if it's ok I'll push an update to the -us-ca list and we'll start planning something
[01:50] <cjohnston> sounds good
[01:50] <pleia2> cool
[01:50] <pleia2> I'll cc: you on it, how many people on your side do you think will come?
[01:51] <cjohnston> no idea.. im trying to figure out if I'm allowed to send an email out to everyone
[01:52] <pleia2> ok, I think we should both stress it's sort of an ubuntu friends meetup so we don't get like 50 people coming to a small venue
[01:52] <pleia2> plus I need to know about venue size :)
[01:53] <pleia2> I don't actually know the area down there all that well so I'll be feeding info you give me to others who are
[01:57] <pleia2> k, sent
[02:00] <pleia2> can I fix a typo on http://uds.ubuntu.com/travel/ or is this in RCS that I need to be aware of?
[02:01] <pleia2> one of our more... enthusiastic loco members went through the whole site and sent me a massive email telling me everything that's wrong with it
[02:02] <pleia2> (I intend to ask him to submit bugs for most of these)
[02:05] <mhall119> pleia2: do you have access to the site?
[02:05] <mhall119> if not, send me the list and I'll update it
[02:05] <pleia2> mhall119: yes, I have access
[02:07] <mhall119> you should be fine to make any necessary changes then
[02:07] <pleia2> great, thanks
[02:08] <mhall119> thank you :)
[02:10] <pleia2> mhall119: do you know anything about the hotel itself? he pointed out that the conference is in City Center http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/oakdt-oakland-marriott-city-center/ but when you click through to reserve a room it sends you to Downtown: http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/oakcd-courtyard-oakland-downtown/
[02:10] <pleia2> they aren't far from each other, but they are different hotels
[02:16] <mhall119> pleia2: I don't, but marianna probably does
[02:16] <pleia2> ok, thanks :)
[02:16] <mhall119> np
[02:34] <pleia2> ok, email sent off to marianna, once I hear back we'll probably want to update the page to mention they don't have the same address so people don't try to check into the wrong hotel when they arrive :)
[02:35] <pleia2> also, sheesh UDS isn't until May! my loco people are so excited already, I still haven't gotten over SCALE...
[02:35] <pleia2> loco loco...
[02:50] <nigelb> pleia2: heh
[03:13] <mhall119> pleia2: it is exciting to have UDS in your own backyard
[03:14] <pleia2> indeed :)
[03:30] <nigelb> mhall119: quick question
[03:30] <nigelb> Have you ever seen this -> 'LazySettings' object is unsubscriptable
[03:31] <nigelb> Happens when I try to do this ->     filename = '%s/%s_%s' % (settings['UPLOAD_DIR'], int(time()), f.name)
[03:35] <nigelb> oh er, nevermind.
[07:59] <dpm> good morning all
[08:08] <dholbach> good morning
[08:20] <bkerensa> dholbach good night! :)
[08:27] <dholbach> hey bkerensa :)
[08:59] <alourie> good morning
[10:09] <nigelb> AlanBell: I'm glad the partner discussion picked up.
[10:10] <AlanBell> I think the partner repo is a distraction tbh
[10:11] <popey> +1
[10:11] <AlanBell> business desktop != proprietary hotness
[10:40] <nigelb> amen
[11:35] <duanedesign> hey nigelb
[11:35] <duanedesign> hope you have been well
[11:51] <daker> dholbach, no problem
[12:21]  * dholbach hugs daker :)
[12:25]  * popey sighs at dpic
[12:25] <popey> a) spamming lots of lists
[12:25] <popey> b) etc
[12:25] <czajkowski> fsf mail ?
[12:29] <popey> yes
[12:29] <popey> nice referal code in there
[12:30] <popey> nothing about what the fsf have done
[12:30] <czajkowski> saw both mails this morning skimmed and deleted
[12:31] <czajkowski> hmmm need to get my ssh keys off old machine and onto here
[12:54] <mhall119> nigelb: you need to do settings.UPLOAD_DIR or getattr(settings, 'UPLOAD_DIR')
[12:54] <mhall119> settings isn't a dict
[12:54] <mhall119> and Python isn't Javascript :P
[13:23] <doctormon> mhall119: Did the Precise issues for Singlet get fixed?
[13:23] <mhall119> doctormon: yes they did :)
[13:24] <mhall119> version 0.2.1 is the latest, it works in Precise and supports external Scopes now too
[13:24] <doctormon> What are external scopes?
[13:25] <mhall119> scopes that exist outside of their lens
[13:25] <mhall119> like add-ons to lenses, that can be written seperately
[13:26] <mhall119> doctormon: http://mhall119.com/2012/01/singlet-part-0-2/
[13:26] <doctormon> Is this an architectural thing or is it useful for the developer to understand?
[13:27] <mhall119> singlet?
[13:27] <mhall119> or that blog
[13:32] <dpm> dholbach, I saw on the UDW announcement that we're recommending Lernid again?
[13:34] <dholbach> dpm, hum, I tried it and it worked for me?
[13:34] <mhall119> yeah, someone had been doing some work to get it fixed up
[13:35] <dpm> dholbach, I haven't tried it myself. I'm writing a blog post on d.u.c about UDW and I was just wondering if I should recommend it too
[13:36] <mhall119> dpm: someone made an interesting suggestion on G+, can we post links to the classroom logs on d.u.c?
[13:37] <mhall119> it seems that they might be a good learning resource, as good as tutorials sometimes
[13:42] <dpm> mhall119, it's a good idea, but I think I'd prefer having full-blown tutorials about writing apps in there. We're already struggling trying to make people understand developing _the_ platform and _for_ the platform, and having links to topics related to creating and maintaining Ubuntu might confuse app developers, who are a different audience.
[13:43] <mhall119> dpm: how much of developing _the_ platform is on d.u.c?
[13:44] <dpm> mhall119, right now, there isn't any info on that apart from the packaging guide
[13:45] <mhall119> I know that unity.u.c has info for development of Unity itself
[13:45] <dpm> and another page pointing the difference between making the platform and developing the platform, where we encourage people to join the effort
[13:45] <mhall119> it's probably best to keep d.u.c as _for_ the platform
[13:45] <dpm> yeah
[13:46] <mhall119> dpm: I've just shared a google doc with you
[13:46] <mhall119> I'm working on re-structing unity.u.c/get-involved
[13:47] <mhall119> if you have any suggestions or insights
[13:47] <dpm> mhall119, ah, cool, thanks. Let me finish this blog post and I'll have a look.
[13:49] <jussi> can someone zap jono when he comes in - I need to talk to him
[13:50] <mhall119> like,with a cattle prod or something?
[13:51]  * mhall119 gets out his Ubuntu branded tazer
[13:53] <doctormon> mhall119: The scopes/lens relationship, is it important for developers of lenses to know if they're using singlet?
[13:54] <doctormon> jussi: Impossible! No known force can get jono out of bed at 4am ;-)
[13:55] <mhall119> doctormon: yeah, it's pretty foundational
[13:55] <jussi> doctormon: heh...
[13:55] <doctormon> So what's the rationale?
[13:56] <dholbach> mhall119, james_w, if one of you feel a bit bored some time and want to help me out with harvest, you could have a look at two really small merge proposals, which will hopefully get harvest working again :-)  http://pad.lv/mps/harvest
[13:56] <mhall119> doctormon: lenses describe the categories and filters for content
[13:57] <mhall119> doctormon: scopes find the content and send it to the lens
[13:57] <doctormon> mhall119: Thanks, I know you've described that to be before.
[13:58] <doctormon> So Scopes are Lens-Sources and Lenses are Scope-Displays. Sort of the view and controller of the MVC framework.
[13:58] <mhall119> doctormon: we have it written down now too, one second..
[13:59] <mhall119> doctormon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Lenses/Guidelines
[13:59] <mhall119> doctormon: yeah, you've got the idea
[13:59] <dpm> dholbach, I've just seen this. It might be interesting as a countdown to each one of the UDW days in the developers FB page
[13:59] <mhall119> doctormon: btw, there will be an hour lens session at 1900
[13:59] <dpm> http://timeanddate.com/facebook/countdown.html
[14:00] <dholbach> nice
[14:00] <dholbach> for today though I guess I'll let the opportunity pass
[14:01] <dholbach> and concentrate on getting my session content together ;-)
[14:01]  * dpm hugs dholbach :)
[14:01] <mhall119> doctormon: yeah, so Lens==view, Scope==controller (model is the variables passed to the API)
[14:01]  * dholbach hugs dpm back
[14:02] <doctormon> mhall119: In my head the model is actually what ever database you're backing onto.
[14:02] <mhall119> Unity has a Results model
[14:02] <mhall119> that the scope populates, and the lens displays
[14:03] <doctormon> mhall119: You just said "form is the aspects passed to the shape" lol
[14:04] <mhall119> I did?
[14:04] <doctormon> But that results model is just an internal api, not useful for conceptualisation?
[14:04] <mhall119> no, it's useful for conceptualizing too
[14:05] <mhall119> you just don't interact with it much, and you can't extend it
[14:07] <doctormon> so it's more of a pipe, not much of a model.
[14:10] <mhall119> I think it's an actual model internally, but for a scope author it's just a variable you call .append() on and pass a handful of strings to
[14:11] <doctormon> mhall119: OK so for my MVC analogy, it's just some internal ruffage.
[14:11] <mhall119> yup
[14:44] <nigelb> mhall119: Yeah, I figured it out :)
[14:59] <jcastro> \o/
[15:00] <mhall119> morning jcastro
[15:02] <dpm> UDW has started! \o/
[15:07] <mhall119> \o/
[15:13] <jcastro> I appear to have depleted my caffeine supply off schedule
[15:20] <jcastro> <--- store, bbi 10minutes
[15:21] <cjohnston> jcastro: get me some coffee
[15:21] <jcastro> sure, anything else?
[15:21] <jussi> and me a beer!
[15:21] <cjohnston> +1
[15:32] <akgraner> balloons, ping - do you have a few minutes to talk about Unity Testing?  skype, google+ etc
[15:34] <akgraner> if not now just let me know when's a good time - thx
[15:34] <balloons> akgraner, pong.. I can chat on IRC now, should be good for g+ @ 11
[15:35] <balloons> sorry 1600 utc
[15:35] <akgraner> no worries
[15:35] <balloons> err.. my calendar might be disagreeing with me on that one
[15:35] <balloons> heh
[15:36] <akgraner> balloons, now worries - see pm :-)
[15:49] <jono> hey all
[15:49] <balloons> hey jono
[15:50] <jcastro> buenas mornings
[15:57] <balloons> top of the mornin' to ya
[15:58] <jcastro> man dholbach
[15:58] <jcastro> The content this time around is awesome
[15:58] <jcastro> I mean, like the topics are sweet
[15:59] <dholbach> yeah, I'm quite excited myself :)
[15:59] <jcastro> hey make sure you lmk how this focused three days works out
[15:59] <jcastro> I am convinced in my head that not diving in on a Monday will pay benefits
[16:00] <dholbach> jono, I'm giving UDW session right now - can't attend the hang out
[16:05] <jono> dholbach, np, I have a call anyway
[16:14] <jcastro> hey balloons
[16:14] <jcastro> (hah, I love your nick, what other job can you say "hey ballons")
[16:15] <balloons> jcastro, :-)
[16:15] <mhall119> jcastro: +1
[16:15] <jcastro> hey so Case Conductor
[16:15] <jcastro> it working yet? Or are we still blocking on that?
[16:16] <jcastro> did Stefano ping you guys back?
[16:16] <balloons> kind of odd how it all happened to end up as balloons, but
[16:16] <balloons> ahh yes cc
[16:16] <mhall119> jcastro, balloons, dpm, want to hangout?
[16:16] <jcastro> I love hanging out!
[16:16] <doctormon> Oh where?
[16:16] <mhall119> jcastro: cool, give me 4 hours and I'll be there, what's for dinner?
[16:16] <balloons> mmmm.. dinner@
[16:16] <jcastro> hah awesome, I'll get beer!
[16:17] <balloons> my wife is an excellent cook, should you wish to come to chilly north fl
[16:17] <balloons> hehe
[16:17] <dpm> mhall119, balloons, jcastro, sure, give me 2 mins to fetch the headphones, I thought we were having an irc meeting today
[16:17] <jcastro> sold.
[16:17] <jcastro> Yeah I thought today was IRC
[16:17] <jcastro> and tomorrow was G+
[16:17] <doctormon> balloons: North florida? chilly? I'm in Boston it's 2C
[16:17] <jcastro> 2c? What is that in american?
[16:17] <jcastro> yikes, that's like, 35ish?
[16:17] <doctormon> 38F
[16:17] <balloons> yea.. it's 68 F here
[16:17] <balloons> chilly
[16:18] <balloons> for jcastro anyway
[16:18] <balloons> ...
[16:18] <balloons> lol
[16:18] <doctormon> I wish I had my charicter pallet back... I could do a degree symbol with that.
[16:18] <jcastro> it's a chilly 73 here
[16:18] <mhall119> invite sent to the whole team
[16:18] <doctormon> jcastro: 73 what? ;-)
[16:18] <mhall119> even though dholbach and jono can't make it just yet
[16:18] <jcastro> F
[16:19] <dpm> ok, coming over
[16:22] <balloons> doctormon, for South Florida, you count the harershness of winter by the number of days it doesn't break 70.. so yes, 68 is sweater weath
[16:22] <balloons> *weather
[16:22] <doctormon> balloons: Yes as I understand it you might as well be in the south of spain or marrocco.
[16:23] <balloons> southern spain would be lovely
[16:34] <doctormon> balloons: I've been away for a few weeks, are you new or are you using a new name?
[16:34] <balloons> doctormon, I am new.. I am the new member of the community team @ canonical
[16:35] <balloons> I'm focusing on QA
[16:35] <doctormon> Ah I saw the blog post about that. Welcome.
[16:39] <balloons> thank you :-0
[16:53] <jono> dholbach, how has dev week been going?
[16:54] <dholbach> jono, 332 users and bleeding fingers
[16:54] <jono> dholbach, nice!
[16:54] <jono> that is awesome :-)
332 potential ubuntu developers...yeeees</mrburnsvoice>
[17:00]  * dholbach hugs jono
[17:05] <dholbach> james_w, you're a hero
[17:05] <james_w> dholbach, what was the other?
[17:06] <dholbach> just the two on https://code.launchpad.net/harvest/+activereviews
[17:08] <james_w> dholbach, is the other crashing on numbers?
[17:09] <dholbach> james_w, I had the packageset object already, which I normally would have just removed like: bla.remove(packageset)
[17:09] <dholbach> instead I did: bla.remove(PackageSet.objects.get(name=packageset))
[17:09] <james_w> sorry, I mean the unicode one
[17:10] <dholbach> with name (string) = (object) - which was rather horrible and embarrassing :)
[17:10] <dholbach> ah, hang on
[17:10] <dholbach> james_w, in the past it tried to convert a <unicode> back to <str>
[17:10] <dholbach> that's why I put the type check in place
[17:11] <james_w> shouldn't it be always setting it to unicode now?
[17:12] <dholbach> theoretically it shouldn't hurt to do that :)
[17:15] <james_w> dholbach, I think it looks ok, but I'd lean towards to just unicoding everything
[17:15] <james_w> there's probably something I'm missing though
[17:16] <dholbach> james_w, I'll test it :)
[17:16] <dholbach> a bit of unicodification never hurt anyone, right?
[17:16] <james_w> heh
[17:24] <dholbach> james_w, I updated it to "unicode everything" :)
[17:25] <dholbach> it seems to work alright
[17:26] <james_w> dholbach, cool
[17:26] <james_w> approved aussi
[17:26] <dholbach> james_w, merci bien mon ami
[17:39] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day - dinner is calling
[17:39]  * dholbach hugs you all
[17:41] <dholbach> james_w, thanks again - let's hope this will get Harvest fixed again finally :)
[17:42] <dholbach> bye :)
[17:53] <jono> mhall119, so in terms of the bugs lens
[17:53] <jono> my thinking is that it could be new way in which people find bugs
[17:53] <jono> so they can filter by bitesize, or possibly even by package
[17:54] <jono> or subscribe to certain packages and it will display bugs for those packages
[17:54] <jono> or possibly even filter by types of bugs (e.g. bitesize, has a patch, sponsorship queue bugs etc)
[17:55] <mhall119> jono: ok
[17:55] <jono> mhall119, I think this would need some careful design consideration
[17:55] <jono> but it could potentially be the new way in which people find and fix bugs
[17:56] <mhall119> I know doctormon had talked about wanting a broader launchpad lens
[17:57] <mhall119> not sure if he's started one yet or not
[17:57] <jono> I am wondering if it would make sense to have lenses by content type - e.g. a lens for bugs, one for code, one for translations
[17:57] <jono> and then it could include other source such as bugtrackers
[17:58] <jono> I love this because it could integrate the development experience neatly into Unityu
[17:58] <jono> I love this because it could integrate the development experience neatly into Unity
[17:58] <mhall119> we could make a generic developer lens
[17:58] <mhall119> with categories for bugs, branches, translations
[17:59] <mhall119> and scopes for LP, github, bitbucket etc
[17:59] <mhall119> instead of separate lenses
[18:00] <jono> mhall119, oh I see so you would filter by development type
[18:00] <mhall119> yup
[18:01] <jono> but could I select Bugs as a filter and then it display filter options specific to bugs?
[18:01] <jono> otherwise there be
[18:01] <jono> otherwise there be hundreds of filter options
[18:01] <mhall119> you can expand the Bugs category
[18:01] <mhall119> yeah, filters might make it complicated, I haven't done much with them yet
[18:02] <jono> my hunch is that we might need different lenses for bugs, code, translations e.g
[18:02] <jono> and I think code and translations would not really need a lens
[18:02] <jono> but bugs would, because people search bugs lists all the time
[18:04] <AlanBell> this will make launchpad cry a bit
[18:05]  * AlanBell still wants to know how to do a lens that asks for a username and password
[18:15] <popey> AlanBell: store credentials in the gnome keyring?
[18:16] <AlanBell> how do I ask for them?
[18:17] <AlanBell> if the user gives me their username and password I can put that in gnome-keyring and get it back next time. Cool. It is the first part I am stuck on
[18:45] <jcastro> mhall119: yo, you get  my multimonitor mail I just sent?
[18:45] <jcastro> balloons: nice work on that forum thread.
[18:46] <jcastro> man, today is an awesomee "all cylinders firing" day
[18:46] <balloons> jcastro, ohh yea.. this week is rockin'
[18:46] <balloons> i feel like i need to stand.. i'm bouncing in my chair
[18:47] <jcastro> jono: for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=546KjKMB9kw
[18:47] <jcastro> that is me yesterday with bzr
[18:48] <jono> haha
[18:48] <mhall119> jcastro: yup, I'll reblog it
[18:48] <jcastro> mhall119: aaaaawwwww yeah
[18:49] <mhall119> 43
[18:49] <mhall119> gah
[18:55] <jcastro> jono: I can't believe I am asking this but
[18:55] <jcastro> am I friending jono bacon the person or jono bacon the public figure
[18:56] <cjohnston> lol
[18:57] <jono> jcastro, LOL
[18:57] <jono> the person
[19:01]  * mhall119 wants to register Jono Bacon as a product or service
[19:01] <mhall119> wait, Jorge Castro would suite that even better
[19:02] <mhall119> "Jorge Castro, now with 10% fewer calories!"
[19:09] <jcastro> 10% less calories, 100% more indigestible METAL.
[19:20] <mhall119> and fiber
[19:20] <mhall119> and for the vegans, new Soy Jorge!
[19:27] <bkerensa> jono: Any Q+A this week?
[19:28] <jono> yup
[21:41] <cjohnston> jono: mhall119 jcastro nigelb http://chrisjohnston.org/ubuntu/big-changes-to-summit
[21:42] <mhall119> cjohnston: nice!
[21:43] <mhall119> cjohnston: but no mention of mobile display work?
[21:44] <cjohnston> it isnt available yet
[21:44] <cjohnston> but i was gonna put it in that it was coming
[21:44] <mhall119> oh
[21:44] <cjohnston> going to edit
[21:44] <cjohnston> uggh
[22:40] <jcastro> hey so mhall119
[22:40] <jcastro> is the staging ppa ok to use if I'm looking to have some fun?
[22:46] <mhall119> jcastro: as long as you don't have the HUD PPA enabled
[22:47] <mhall119> never, ever cross the ppas
[22:47] <mhall119> total protonic reversal and all that
[22:57] <doctormon> mhall119: Zule M'F;
[23:03] <doctormon> mhall119: Watched City of Embers last night, Bill Muray makes a great villan.
[23:14] <mhall119> doctormon: Im reading that to my kids, how was the movie?
[23:15] <doctormon> mhall119: I thought it was great. Fun, exciting, the visuals are stunning. Shame it cost $55 million to make and only recouped $12m so no sequel.
[23:15] <doctormon> Although normally books are better than movies :-)
[23:20] <balloons> mhall119, ppa joke too funny
[23:34] <doctormon> mhall119: Who's the dude who looks after developing for launchpadlib?
[23:35] <doctormon> I'm getting really frusrated with the launchpad documentation. All I want is the API doc and it's hidden behind layers and layers of howtos... It sounds odd but there's just too much documentation.
[23:49] <cjohnston> http://www.lolshirts.com/products/powered-by-bacon-t-shirt--3