[01:14] pleia2: did you get my email today? [01:47] cjohnston: yeah, and I forgot about the superbowl :) I don't care but it does mean sports bars are out and some people might not come out [01:47] cjohnston: if it's ok I'll push an update to the -us-ca list and we'll start planning something [01:50] sounds good [01:50] cool [01:50] I'll cc: you on it, how many people on your side do you think will come? [01:51] no idea.. im trying to figure out if I'm allowed to send an email out to everyone [01:52] ok, I think we should both stress it's sort of an ubuntu friends meetup so we don't get like 50 people coming to a small venue [01:52] plus I need to know about venue size :) [01:53] I don't actually know the area down there all that well so I'll be feeding info you give me to others who are [01:57] k, sent [02:00] can I fix a typo on http://uds.ubuntu.com/travel/ or is this in RCS that I need to be aware of? [02:01] one of our more... enthusiastic loco members went through the whole site and sent me a massive email telling me everything that's wrong with it [02:02] (I intend to ask him to submit bugs for most of these) [02:05] pleia2: do you have access to the site? [02:05] if not, send me the list and I'll update it [02:05] mhall119: yes, I have access [02:07] you should be fine to make any necessary changes then [02:07] great, thanks [02:08] thank you :) [02:10] mhall119: do you know anything about the hotel itself? he pointed out that the conference is in City Center http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/oakdt-oakland-marriott-city-center/ but when you click through to reserve a room it sends you to Downtown: http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/oakcd-courtyard-oakland-downtown/ [02:10] they aren't far from each other, but they are different hotels [02:16] pleia2: I don't, but marianna probably does [02:16] ok, thanks :) [02:16] np [02:34] ok, email sent off to marianna, once I hear back we'll probably want to update the page to mention they don't have the same address so people don't try to check into the wrong hotel when they arrive :) [02:35] also, sheesh UDS isn't until May! my loco people are so excited already, I still haven't gotten over SCALE... [02:35] loco loco... [02:50] pleia2: heh [03:13] pleia2: it is exciting to have UDS in your own backyard [03:14] indeed :) [03:30] mhall119: quick question [03:30] Have you ever seen this -> 'LazySettings' object is unsubscriptable [03:31] Happens when I try to do this -> filename = '%s/%s_%s' % (settings['UPLOAD_DIR'], int(time()), f.name) [03:35] oh er, nevermind. [07:59] good morning all === koolhead17 is now known as koolhead17|afk [08:08] good morning [08:20] dholbach good night! :) [08:27] hey bkerensa :) [08:59] good morning [10:09] AlanBell: I'm glad the partner discussion picked up. [10:10] I think the partner repo is a distraction tbh [10:11] +1 [10:11] business desktop != proprietary hotness [10:40] amen [11:35] hey nigelb [11:35] hope you have been well [11:51] dholbach, no problem [12:21] * dholbach hugs daker :) [12:25] * popey sighs at dpic [12:25] a) spamming lots of lists [12:25] b) etc [12:25] fsf mail ? [12:29] yes [12:29] nice referal code in there [12:30] nothing about what the fsf have done [12:30] saw both mails this morning skimmed and deleted [12:31] hmmm need to get my ssh keys off old machine and onto here [12:54] nigelb: you need to do settings.UPLOAD_DIR or getattr(settings, 'UPLOAD_DIR') [12:54] settings isn't a dict [12:54] and Python isn't Javascript :P [13:23] mhall119: Did the Precise issues for Singlet get fixed? [13:23] doctormon: yes they did :) [13:24] version 0.2.1 is the latest, it works in Precise and supports external Scopes now too [13:24] What are external scopes? [13:25] scopes that exist outside of their lens [13:25] like add-ons to lenses, that can be written seperately [13:26] doctormon: http://mhall119.com/2012/01/singlet-part-0-2/ [13:26] Is this an architectural thing or is it useful for the developer to understand? [13:27] singlet? [13:27] or that blog [13:32] dholbach, I saw on the UDW announcement that we're recommending Lernid again? [13:34] dpm, hum, I tried it and it worked for me? [13:34] yeah, someone had been doing some work to get it fixed up [13:35] dholbach, I haven't tried it myself. I'm writing a blog post on d.u.c about UDW and I was just wondering if I should recommend it too [13:36] dpm: someone made an interesting suggestion on G+, can we post links to the classroom logs on d.u.c? [13:37] it seems that they might be a good learning resource, as good as tutorials sometimes [13:42] mhall119, it's a good idea, but I think I'd prefer having full-blown tutorials about writing apps in there. We're already struggling trying to make people understand developing _the_ platform and _for_ the platform, and having links to topics related to creating and maintaining Ubuntu might confuse app developers, who are a different audience. [13:43] dpm: how much of developing _the_ platform is on d.u.c? [13:44] mhall119, right now, there isn't any info on that apart from the packaging guide [13:45] I know that unity.u.c has info for development of Unity itself [13:45] and another page pointing the difference between making the platform and developing the platform, where we encourage people to join the effort [13:45] it's probably best to keep d.u.c as _for_ the platform [13:45] yeah [13:46] dpm: I've just shared a google doc with you [13:46] I'm working on re-structing unity.u.c/get-involved [13:47] if you have any suggestions or insights [13:47] mhall119, ah, cool, thanks. Let me finish this blog post and I'll have a look. [13:49] can someone zap jono when he comes in - I need to talk to him [13:50] like,with a cattle prod or something? [13:51] * mhall119 gets out his Ubuntu branded tazer [13:53] mhall119: The scopes/lens relationship, is it important for developers of lenses to know if they're using singlet? [13:54] jussi: Impossible! No known force can get jono out of bed at 4am ;-) [13:55] doctormon: yeah, it's pretty foundational [13:55] doctormon: heh... [13:55] So what's the rationale? [13:56] mhall119, james_w, if one of you feel a bit bored some time and want to help me out with harvest, you could have a look at two really small merge proposals, which will hopefully get harvest working again :-) http://pad.lv/mps/harvest [13:56] doctormon: lenses describe the categories and filters for content [13:57] doctormon: scopes find the content and send it to the lens [13:57] mhall119: Thanks, I know you've described that to be before. [13:58] So Scopes are Lens-Sources and Lenses are Scope-Displays. Sort of the view and controller of the MVC framework. [13:58] doctormon: we have it written down now too, one second.. [13:59] doctormon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Lenses/Guidelines [13:59] doctormon: yeah, you've got the idea [13:59] dholbach, I've just seen this. It might be interesting as a countdown to each one of the UDW days in the developers FB page [13:59] doctormon: btw, there will be an hour lens session at 1900 [13:59] http://timeanddate.com/facebook/countdown.html [14:00] nice [14:00] for today though I guess I'll let the opportunity pass [14:01] and concentrate on getting my session content together ;-) [14:01] * dpm hugs dholbach :) [14:01] doctormon: yeah, so Lens==view, Scope==controller (model is the variables passed to the API) [14:01] * dholbach hugs dpm back [14:02] mhall119: In my head the model is actually what ever database you're backing onto. [14:02] Unity has a Results model [14:02] that the scope populates, and the lens displays [14:03] mhall119: You just said "form is the aspects passed to the shape" lol [14:04] I did? [14:04] But that results model is just an internal api, not useful for conceptualisation? [14:04] no, it's useful for conceptualizing too [14:05] you just don't interact with it much, and you can't extend it [14:07] so it's more of a pipe, not much of a model. [14:10] I think it's an actual model internally, but for a scope author it's just a variable you call .append() on and pass a handful of strings to [14:11] mhall119: OK so for my MVC analogy, it's just some internal ruffage. [14:11] yup [14:44] mhall119: Yeah, I figured it out :) [14:59] \o/ [15:00] morning jcastro [15:02] UDW has started! \o/ [15:07] \o/ [15:13] I appear to have depleted my caffeine supply off schedule [15:20] <--- store, bbi 10minutes [15:21] jcastro: get me some coffee [15:21] sure, anything else? [15:21] and me a beer! [15:21] +1 [15:32] balloons, ping - do you have a few minutes to talk about Unity Testing? skype, google+ etc [15:34] if not now just let me know when's a good time - thx [15:34] akgraner, pong.. I can chat on IRC now, should be good for g+ @ 11 [15:35] sorry 1600 utc [15:35] no worries [15:35] err.. my calendar might be disagreeing with me on that one [15:35] heh [15:36] balloons, now worries - see pm :-) [15:49] hey all [15:49] hey jono [15:50] buenas mornings [15:57] top of the mornin' to ya [15:58] man dholbach [15:58] The content this time around is awesome [15:58] I mean, like the topics are sweet [15:59] yeah, I'm quite excited myself :) [15:59] hey make sure you lmk how this focused three days works out [15:59] I am convinced in my head that not diving in on a Monday will pay benefits [16:00] jono, I'm giving UDW session right now - can't attend the hang out [16:05] dholbach, np, I have a call anyway [16:14] hey balloons [16:14] (hah, I love your nick, what other job can you say "hey ballons") [16:15] jcastro, :-) [16:15] jcastro: +1 [16:15] hey so Case Conductor [16:15] it working yet? Or are we still blocking on that? [16:16] did Stefano ping you guys back? [16:16] kind of odd how it all happened to end up as balloons, but [16:16] ahh yes cc [16:16] jcastro, balloons, dpm, want to hangout? [16:16] I love hanging out! [16:16] Oh where? [16:16] jcastro: cool, give me 4 hours and I'll be there, what's for dinner? [16:16] mmmm.. dinner@ [16:16] hah awesome, I'll get beer! [16:17] my wife is an excellent cook, should you wish to come to chilly north fl [16:17] hehe [16:17] mhall119, balloons, jcastro, sure, give me 2 mins to fetch the headphones, I thought we were having an irc meeting today [16:17] sold. [16:17] Yeah I thought today was IRC [16:17] and tomorrow was G+ [16:17] balloons: North florida? chilly? I'm in Boston it's 2C [16:17] 2c? What is that in american? [16:17] yikes, that's like, 35ish? [16:17] 38F [16:17] yea.. it's 68 F here [16:17] chilly [16:18] for jcastro anyway [16:18] ... [16:18] lol [16:18] I wish I had my charicter pallet back... I could do a degree symbol with that. [16:18] it's a chilly 73 here [16:18] invite sent to the whole team [16:18] jcastro: 73 what? ;-) [16:18] even though dholbach and jono can't make it just yet [16:18] F [16:19] ok, coming over [16:22] doctormon, for South Florida, you count the harershness of winter by the number of days it doesn't break 70.. so yes, 68 is sweater weath [16:22] *weather [16:22] balloons: Yes as I understand it you might as well be in the south of spain or marrocco. [16:23] southern spain would be lovely [16:34] balloons: I've been away for a few weeks, are you new or are you using a new name? [16:34] doctormon, I am new.. I am the new member of the community team @ canonical [16:35] I'm focusing on QA [16:35] Ah I saw the blog post about that. Welcome. [16:39] thank you :-0 [16:53] dholbach, how has dev week been going? [16:54] jono, 332 users and bleeding fingers [16:54] dholbach, nice! [16:54] that is awesome :-) [16:54] 332 potential ubuntu developers...yeeees [17:00] * dholbach hugs jono [17:05] james_w, you're a hero [17:05] dholbach, what was the other? [17:06] just the two on https://code.launchpad.net/harvest/+activereviews [17:08] dholbach, is the other crashing on numbers? [17:09] james_w, I had the packageset object already, which I normally would have just removed like: bla.remove(packageset) [17:09] instead I did: bla.remove(PackageSet.objects.get(name=packageset)) [17:09] sorry, I mean the unicode one [17:10] with name (string) = (object) - which was rather horrible and embarrassing :) [17:10] ah, hang on [17:10] james_w, in the past it tried to convert a back to [17:10] that's why I put the type check in place [17:11] shouldn't it be always setting it to unicode now? [17:12] theoretically it shouldn't hurt to do that :) [17:15] dholbach, I think it looks ok, but I'd lean towards to just unicoding everything [17:15] there's probably something I'm missing though [17:16] james_w, I'll test it :) [17:16] a bit of unicodification never hurt anyone, right? [17:16] heh [17:24] james_w, I updated it to "unicode everything" :) === balloons_ is now known as balloons [17:25] it seems to work alright [17:26] dholbach, cool [17:26] approved aussi [17:26] james_w, merci bien mon ami === dpm_ is now known as dpm [17:39] alright my friends - I call it a day - dinner is calling [17:39] * dholbach hugs you all [17:41] james_w, thanks again - let's hope this will get Harvest fixed again finally :) [17:42] bye :) [17:53] mhall119, so in terms of the bugs lens [17:53] my thinking is that it could be new way in which people find bugs [17:53] so they can filter by bitesize, or possibly even by package [17:54] or subscribe to certain packages and it will display bugs for those packages [17:54] or possibly even filter by types of bugs (e.g. bitesize, has a patch, sponsorship queue bugs etc) [17:55] jono: ok [17:55] mhall119, I think this would need some careful design consideration [17:55] but it could potentially be the new way in which people find and fix bugs [17:56] I know doctormon had talked about wanting a broader launchpad lens [17:57] not sure if he's started one yet or not [17:57] I am wondering if it would make sense to have lenses by content type - e.g. a lens for bugs, one for code, one for translations [17:57] and then it could include other source such as bugtrackers [17:58] I love this because it could integrate the development experience neatly into Unityu [17:58] I love this because it could integrate the development experience neatly into Unity [17:58] we could make a generic developer lens [17:58] with categories for bugs, branches, translations [17:59] and scopes for LP, github, bitbucket etc [17:59] instead of separate lenses [18:00] mhall119, oh I see so you would filter by development type [18:00] yup [18:01] but could I select Bugs as a filter and then it display filter options specific to bugs? [18:01] otherwise there be [18:01] otherwise there be hundreds of filter options [18:01] you can expand the Bugs category [18:01] yeah, filters might make it complicated, I haven't done much with them yet [18:02] my hunch is that we might need different lenses for bugs, code, translations e.g [18:02] and I think code and translations would not really need a lens [18:02] but bugs would, because people search bugs lists all the time [18:04] this will make launchpad cry a bit [18:05] * AlanBell still wants to know how to do a lens that asks for a username and password [18:15] AlanBell: store credentials in the gnome keyring? [18:16] how do I ask for them? [18:17] if the user gives me their username and password I can put that in gnome-keyring and get it back next time. Cool. It is the first part I am stuck on === fenris_ is now known as Guest88852 [18:45] mhall119: yo, you get my multimonitor mail I just sent? === fenris__ is now known as Guest62166 [18:45] balloons: nice work on that forum thread. [18:46] man, today is an awesomee "all cylinders firing" day [18:46] jcastro, ohh yea.. this week is rockin' [18:46] i feel like i need to stand.. i'm bouncing in my chair [18:47] jono: for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=546KjKMB9kw [18:47] that is me yesterday with bzr [18:48] haha [18:48] jcastro: yup, I'll reblog it [18:48] mhall119: aaaaawwwww yeah [18:49] 43 [18:49] gah [18:55] jono: I can't believe I am asking this but [18:55] am I friending jono bacon the person or jono bacon the public figure [18:56] lol [18:57] jcastro, LOL [18:57] the person [19:01] * mhall119 wants to register Jono Bacon as a product or service [19:01] wait, Jorge Castro would suite that even better [19:02] "Jorge Castro, now with 10% fewer calories!" [19:09] 10% less calories, 100% more indigestible METAL. [19:20] and fiber [19:20] and for the vegans, new Soy Jorge! [19:27] jono: Any Q+A this week? [19:28] yup [21:41] jono: mhall119 jcastro nigelb http://chrisjohnston.org/ubuntu/big-changes-to-summit [21:42] cjohnston: nice! [21:43] cjohnston: but no mention of mobile display work? [21:44] it isnt available yet [21:44] but i was gonna put it in that it was coming [21:44] oh [21:44] going to edit [21:44] uggh [22:40] hey so mhall119 [22:40] is the staging ppa ok to use if I'm looking to have some fun? [22:46] jcastro: as long as you don't have the HUD PPA enabled [22:47] never, ever cross the ppas [22:47] total protonic reversal and all that [22:57] mhall119: Zule M'F; [23:03] mhall119: Watched City of Embers last night, Bill Muray makes a great villan. [23:14] doctormon: Im reading that to my kids, how was the movie? [23:15] mhall119: I thought it was great. Fun, exciting, the visuals are stunning. Shame it cost $55 million to make and only recouped $12m so no sequel. [23:15] Although normally books are better than movies :-) [23:20] mhall119, ppa joke too funny [23:34] mhall119: Who's the dude who looks after developing for launchpadlib? [23:35] I'm getting really frusrated with the launchpad documentation. All I want is the API doc and it's hidden behind layers and layers of howtos... It sounds odd but there's just too much documentation. [23:49] http://www.lolshirts.com/products/powered-by-bacon-t-shirt--3