[02:25] <jbicha> RAOF: could you push gnome-shell through the oneiric-proposed new queue?
[02:26] <RAOF> jbicha: No, I can't.  I'm not an archive admin.
[02:27] <RAOF> Sorry.
[02:27] <jbicha> ah, ok, I'll bug pitti about it, thanks
[06:21] <pitti> Good morning
[06:22] <pitti> jbicha: here now
[06:23] <pitti> jbicha: g-shell binNEWed
[06:36] <jbicha> pitti: thanks
[06:36] <BigWhale> morning
[07:03] <didrocks> good morning
[07:04] <pitti> hey didrocks, good morning
[07:04] <didrocks> good morning pitti, how are you?
[07:05] <GunnarHj> pitti: Good morning, Martin!
[07:05] <GunnarHj> pitti: Maybe you know already, bug there are quite a few fresh duplicates of bug 843430 (which for some reason is private). The issue may be related to the the package stuff you worked with for l-s 0.62.
[07:06] <pitti> hey GunnarHj
[07:06] <pitti> didrocks: bit tired, but quite fine
[07:06] <BigWhale> office time ...
[07:06] <didrocks> pitti: you didn't sleep well,
[07:06] <didrocks> ?
[07:07] <pitti> yes, kept waking up for some reason
[07:07] <didrocks> argh :/
[07:08] <pitti> GunnarHj: hm, I didn't actually change any existing code, but I can have a look nevertheless
[07:10] <GunnarHj> pitti: Great! I just had a close look, and haven't spotted what's causing it.
[07:10] <GunnarHj> s/close/quick/  (I'm tired too)
[07:11] <pitti> GunnarHj: oh, that bug is already from last september
[07:12] <GunnarHj> pitti: Yeah, but were there a lot of duplicates before recently?
[07:13] <GunnarHj> (I can't access the bug.)
[07:13] <pitti> GunnarHj: I think that might happen if one of the trigger packages in pkg_depends is suddenly gone AWOL
[07:13] <pitti> broken apt cache, or what not
[07:15] <GunnarHj> pitti: Ok.
[07:15] <GunnarHj> pitti: So you think it's only special cases?
[07:16] <pitti> still, should be a trivial fix to just ignore the missing package
[07:18] <GunnarHj> pitti: Is it something you can add to your list? So far I have kind of avoided the langpack side of l-s...
[07:23] <pitti> GunnarHj: yes, no problem
[07:32] <GunnarHj> pitti: Ok, great!
[08:09]  * didrocks tries to reboot and hope to get a working nvidia driver :)
[08:23] <pitti> ^ hmm, not a good sign
[08:28] <pitti> rickspencer3: niiiice! http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/precise_probs.html
[08:29] <rickspencer3> hi pitti
[08:29] <rickspencer3> that is nice
[08:29] <rickspencer3> oth ...
[08:29] <rickspencer3> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise%20ISO%20Testing%20Dashboard/view/Daily/?
[08:29] <rickspencer3> :/
[08:30] <pitti> yes, see #u-release
[08:30] <pitti> d-i can't find a kernel
[08:31] <rickspencer3> pitti, I'm you all will sort it out and respin :)
[08:32] <pitti> rickspencer3: what makes me happy in exchange is https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise/job/precise-upgrade-lucid-desktop/ARCH=amd64,LTS=lts,PROFILE=ubuntu,label=upgrade-test/7/console
[08:32] <pitti> rickspencer3: the "system" config migration test works now, and 3 of 4 "user" migrations, too
[08:33] <rickspencer3> sweet
[08:33] <rickspencer3> pitti
[08:33] <rickspencer3> thanks so much for that
[08:33] <rickspencer3> I'm telling everyone at Canonical to upgrade next week
[08:34] <didrocks> phew, finally get acceleration back!
[08:34] <didrocks> (had to recompile the 285 package)
[08:34] <didrocks> good morning rickspencer3
[08:34] <pitti> hey didrocks, welcome back! that took longer than expected
[08:34] <rickspencer3> hey didrocks
[08:34] <pitti> rickspencer3: hm, that failure might be from new apt :(
[08:34] <didrocks> pitti: hey, I had to go over my other box to rebuild the package
[08:34] <didrocks> pitti: interestingly, despite having session=ubuntu in my .dmrc, lightdm now insists on starting the gnome-shell session
[08:35] <didrocks> not sure where lightdm is picking that up, and why *now*
[08:36] <didrocks> nothing in /var/lib/lightdm/
[08:36] <pitti> hm, I'm not 100% sure
[08:37] <pitti> didrocks: just checked accountsservice, apparently not there
[08:37] <pitti> I think that one is in .dmrc still
[08:37] <didrocks> [+0,68s] DEBUG: Ignoring session /usr/share/xsessions/ubuntu.desktop
[08:38] <didrocks> ah, tryexec
[08:38] <pitti> "unity" doesn't exist?
[08:38] <didrocks> yeah, as I downgraded from the hud ppa to the staging one
[08:39] <didrocks> I bet the unity package with the wrapper didn't downgraded
[08:39] <didrocks> ok, all look good then :)
[08:40] <didrocks> I will need to fake having a higer version from the staging ppa I guess as most of people who will try unity 5.2 RC are the one who tried the hud I guess
[08:42] <didrocks> ok, downgraded unity, restarting on the right session
[08:43] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:44] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[08:44] <pitti> ooh, alioth is back
[08:44] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, how are you?
[08:44] <pitti> bit tired today, but fine otherwise
[08:47] <pitti> tkamppeter: I merged the cups/cups-filters diversions, and pushed; now alioth's bzr has the definitive branches again
[08:49] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, are we keeping the theme broken for alpha 2?
[08:49] <pitti> broken how?
[08:50] <pitti> it's not supposed to be broken
[08:50] <pitti> rickspencer3 would have started an insurrection on that :)
[08:50] <pitti> (and quite rightly so)
[08:51] <tkamppeter> pitti, OK, thanks.
[08:52] <chrisccoulson> pitti - have you seen the breadcrumb in nautilus, or the toolbar in evince when you have a document open?
[08:52] <rickspencer3> hi pitti
[08:52] <chrisccoulson> it's visibly quite broken, and has been for a while now ;)
[08:52] <rickspencer3> insurrection?
[08:53]  * rickspencer3 pricks ears
[08:53] <chrisccoulson> heh
[08:53] <pitti> chrisccoulson: you mean the arrows look weird?
[08:54] <pitti> evince toolbar looks alright here
[08:54] <chrisccoulson> pitti - the buttons are the wrong colour and the text is barely readable in nautilus
[08:54] <chrisccoulson> i wonder if it's already fixed and i just haven't updated yet ;)
[08:55] <pitti> chrisccoulson: http://imagebin.org/196490
[08:56] <pitti> doesn't look so bad here
[08:56] <pitti> as I said, the arrow is a little weird
[08:56] <chrisccoulson> pitti - oh, you're using radiance :)
[08:56] <chrisccoulson> it's pretty hideous with the ambiance theme
[08:56] <pitti> oh, right
[08:56] <pitti> I keep forgetting that there are people using dark themes
[08:57] <chrisccoulson> pitti - http://imagebin.org/196491
[08:57] <didrocks> already warned Cimi about it (2 weeks ago)
[08:57] <pitti> eww
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> pitti - evince is even worse: http://imagebin.org/196492
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> look at the page count :(
[08:59] <pitti> do we have a bug about that?
[08:59] <pitti> it's not even on the RC radar
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> didrocks probably knows that
[09:01] <chrisccoulson> oh, i feel really bad now: http://www.chriscoulson.me.uk/blog/?p=100#comment-425297807
[09:02] <chrisccoulson> i didn't realize we had non-ubuntu users using that PPA ;)
[09:03] <pitti> heh
[09:09] <seb128> hey
[09:09] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[09:09] <seb128> hey pitti, wie gehts?
[09:11] <pitti> seb128: quite alright, although a bit tired today
[09:11] <pitti> argh, and need to send out the reminder
[09:11] <seb128> pitti, didn't sleep well?
[09:11] <seb128> yeah, it's reminder day!
[09:11] <pitti> not particularly
[09:12] <popey> chrisccoulson: you still getting the 'mouse scrolls too far' thing? have you filed a bug?
[09:12] <didrocks> I can't find in my log back the nautilus theme issue
[09:13] <didrocks> I think that I discussed with seb128 (salut!) about it
[09:13] <seb128> lut didrocks
[09:13] <seb128> what issue?
[09:13] <didrocks> seb128: the nautilus breadcrumb theme issue
[09:14] <seb128> 917830
[09:14] <chrisccoulson> popey, i'll report a bug in a bit
[09:15] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure where to report it yet though :)
[09:15] <chrisccoulson> RAOF, any ideas where to report that? (the erratic scrolling issue)
[09:24] <chrisccoulson> seb128, do you want to try sending another firefox crash report when you get a chance? :-)
[09:24] <chrisccoulson> (hopefully it will work properly this time)
[09:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, ok, will do in a bit
[09:33] <tjaalton> after an upgrade I have no indicators anymore, is it a known bug?
[09:35] <chrisccoulson> seb128, never mind, i just found a working report from lucid i386: https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/f9e0adea-ba13-4643-aa26-cecb52120131 \o/
[09:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson, great ;-)
[09:40] <seb128> tjaalton, no, what did you upgrade?
[09:43] <tjaalton> seb128: precise->precise, no dist-upgrade
[09:43] <tjaalton> indicators are installed, only telepathy-indicator running
[09:45] <seb128> tjaalton, what desktop environment?
[09:45] <tjaalton> unity
[09:45] <tjaalton> 3d
[09:45] <seb128> 3d?
[09:45] <seb128> hum
[09:45] <seb128> can you add your .xsession-errors to pastebin or somewhere?
[09:46] <tjaalton> http://paste.ubuntu.com/823637
[09:46] <tjaalton> g-s-d crashes
[09:47] <seb128> tjaalton, dpkg -l | grep unity
[09:48] <tjaalton> seb128: ok.. I have some stuff from the ppa it seems
[09:48] <tjaalton> I disabled the ppa before the latest upgrade though, I need to revert these to the archive versions and see if it helps
[09:49] <seb128> tjaalton, can you pastebin your versions?
[09:49] <tjaalton> it's a mess :)
[09:49] <tjaalton> but yeah
[09:50] <tjaalton> http://paste.ubuntu.com/823644
[09:54] <seb128> tjaalton, update "unity" to the ppa version
[09:54] <seb128> it's weird that you got all the others updated but not it
[09:55] <tjaalton> they got held up
[09:55] <seb128> why?
[09:55] <tjaalton> some transition
[09:56] <tjaalton> I'll just go back to 5.0.0
[09:59] <tjaalton> yep, things work now..
[10:01] <seb128> tjaalton, the ppa version works ok if you want to try it
[10:01] <seb128> I've it installed since yesterday
[10:01] <ricotz> hello everyone
[10:01] <seb128> hey ricotz, how are you?
[10:01] <ricotz> pitti, hi, is udisk2 suppose to run fine in parallel with udisk?
[10:01] <seb128> ricotz, it is
[10:02] <ricotz> seb128, hey, i am fine, thanks
[10:02] <ricotz> ca va?
[10:02] <seb128> pitti, btw desrt played with udisk2 from the ppa yesterday and said it was working fine for him
[10:02] <seb128> ricotz, ca va bien merci ;-)
[10:02] <ricotz> seb128, good, i might give it a try then
[10:04] <ricotz> seb128, looks like there is nothing blocking nautilus while having gvfs already updated
[10:04] <tjaalton> seb128: I'll keep moving parts to a minimum the next few days, testing other stuff :)
[10:04] <seb128> ricotz, right, I'm meant to review jbicha's update, he's having some issues with the unity desktop menu patch it seems
[10:05] <ricotz> i see, it looks normal here with g-s
[10:05] <tjaalton> oh btw, totem needs to drop the build-dep on libmusicbrainz4-dev, the functionality got dropped in 1.3.0.. (and wouldn't work anyway)
[10:05] <tjaalton> fixes bug 793929
[10:05] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 793929 in libmusicbrainz-2.1 "Deprecate libmusicbrainz-2.1, libtunepimp" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/793929
[10:09] <pitti> ricotz: yes, it is
[10:09] <pitti> seb128: i got a mail from desrt, he seems to have some problems with dbus activation
[10:09] <pitti> I'll reply to him (works fine here)
[10:09] <seb128> tjaalton, feel free to do the change if you want ;-)
[10:09] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: As always, start with “ubuntu-bug xorg” ☺.  Then we should send it to Chase.
[10:09] <seb128> pitti, ok
[10:10] <tjaalton> seb128: eww, bzr ;)
[10:10] <seb128> lol
[10:10] <pitti> bah, 2.5 hours of IRC and email, vs. 25 minutes of real work today
[10:10] <seb128> tjaalton, get, commit, push, how hard is it ;-)
[10:10]  * pitti finally preps the meeting page and reminder
[10:11] <seb128> pitti, btw the GNOME guys rolled new glib,gtk, but I guess better to delay to after a2 now?
[10:11] <pitti> seb128: yes, I think so; but we can already prep it in bzr, and upload to our PPA?
[10:11] <seb128> pitti, yeah, I will do that
[10:12] <pitti> migth be good to give it a day or two of testing anyway
[10:14] <seb128> pitti, right, especially that they did change to the format and parser of the gmenu stuff
[10:14] <seb128> ok, only one game use that in precise, but still
[10:16] <tjaalton> seb128: can't push
[10:16] <tjaalton> oh right
[10:16] <tjaalton> http transport
[10:17] <tjaalton> apt-get source said to just do "bzr branch foo", and then you can't push from that
[10:18] <pitti> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/canonical-desktop-team-precise-alpha-2.html
[10:18] <pitti> almost there, folks!
[10:20] <seb128> pitti, ;-)
[10:22] <pitti> the rest is not worrying and can easily move to b1
[10:23] <ricotz> pitti, ok, crossing fingers then to install udisk2 ;)
[10:25] <pitti> ricotz: it won't do anything by itself
[10:25] <pitti> ricotz: you need gvfs from trunk, or the latest gnome-disk-utility to make it do anything
[10:27] <ricotz> pitti, yes, with gdu
[10:27] <pitti> ricotz: desrt says that it starts up fine, but launching jobs is broken when it's dbus activated
[10:28] <pitti> it does set $PATH at start, though, haven't looked what's wrong yet
[10:29] <ricotz> alright, thanks for the heads up
[10:44] <tjaalton> seb128: ha, got it. pushing totem to precise now..
[10:45] <seb128> tjaalton, thanks
[10:46] <tjaalton> also, I've packaged libmusicbrainz 4.0.0, and there's support for it in sound-juicer git (dunno if they cut a release). I'd love to have support for the MB XML/2 API in precise, but is anyone really looking after sound-juicer or am I free to work on it?
[11:02] <pitti> tkamppeter: sound-juicer is fair game
[11:02] <pitti> sorry, tjaalton ^
[11:02] <pitti> tjaalton: it's in universe, it doesn't have a particular maintainer
[11:02] <pitti> it's 2.32, so any more recent version can only make things better :)
[11:06] <seb128> tjaalton, it's all yours ;-)
[11:08] <tjaalton> seb128, pitti: whee, cool :)
[11:08] <tjaalton> hope I can update it before FF
[11:38] <RainCT> Anyone knows how to send Ctrl+Alt+F1 to a VirtualBox instance?
[11:42] <seb128> RainCT, try right-ctrl_f1
[11:42] <seb128> i.e the ctrl on the right of the keyboard and f1
[11:45] <RainCT> seb128: works. thanks :)
[11:45] <seb128> RainCT, yw
[11:52] <jasoncwarner_> hey chrisccoulson , what is the name of hte firefox plugin that lets me run other plugins on aurora? still not a fan of the firefox disabling all my plugins :)
[11:53] <chrisccoulson> jasoncwarner_, the addon compatibility reporter? it shouldn't be disabling them on aurora now though, unless they really are incompatible
[11:53] <chrisccoulson> which ones are getting disabled?
[12:17] <czajkowski> aloha
[12:17] <czajkowski> anyone running 10.04 and seeing any issues with a firefox update today ?
[12:17] <czajkowski> 10:33 < slashtommy> Firefox (10.04 LTS) was updated yesterday for some bizarre  reason, tis now broke - i need an urgent fix
[12:19] <czajkowski> chrisccoulson: ping?
[12:21] <chrisccoulson> czajkowski, can you be more specific? :)
[12:24] <czajkowski> chrisccoulson: trying to get the details form the guy in -ie
[12:24]  * ebel knows a little of this bug
[12:24] <ebel> apparently FF is offering to download & save, rather than display a .aspx URL
[12:25] <ebel> it's an internal webpage, so not accessible to you & me
[12:25] <czajkowski> chrisccoulson: meet ebel
[12:25] <chrisccoulson> that's because your internal webpage is doing silly things with UA sniffing, and offering the wrong content
[12:25] <chrisccoulson> we've already "fixed" it in ff10 by changing the order of 2 elements in the UA string
[12:27] <ebel> i have no idea what the HTTP headers/mime type/content disposition are. Apparently it only just started happening recently, however this machine might not have been updated recently
[12:28] <ebel> is this ff10 fix available to ubuntu lucid (10.04)?
[12:28] <chrisccoulson> ebel, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-beta.lucid/revision/749
[12:28] <chrisccoulson> yes, you can get the RC builds from
[12:29] <chrisccoulson> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa
[12:30] <czajkowski> chrisccoulson: thank you
[12:32] <chrisccoulson> ebel, bug 897794 is the bug
[12:32] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 897794 in firefox "Firefox 8 User Agent String "Ubuntu;" addition causes attempt to download rather than display" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/897794
[13:06] <didrocks> RainCT: hey
[13:06] <RainCT> didrocks: Hey :)
[13:06] <didrocks> RainCT: I'm upgrading the activity-log-manager package to the vala version
[13:06] <didrocks> RainCT: it's now in LGPL2+
[13:07] <didrocks> RainCT: for consistency and simplicity, it would be nice to have the packaging with the same licence
[13:07] <didrocks> you put GPL2+ :)
[13:08] <RainCT> didrocks: sure, you can consider all my packaging stuff as BSD :p
[13:08] <didrocks> RainCT: better that being said! Thanks a lot :)
[13:09] <RainCT> didrocks: No problem. Can you commit the changes to bzr when you're done?
[13:10] <didrocks> RainCT: sure
[13:46] <Ursinha> pitti, so, you said that it would be easy to find the task a package is part of
[13:46] <Ursinha> pitti, I couldn't figure out how to do that, do you mind giving me a light? :)
[13:47] <pitti> Ursinha: hey
[13:47] <pitti> ah
[13:47] <pitti> Ursinha: you mean if a package is part of the ubuntu/kubuntu/edubuntu/etc. default install?
[13:48] <Ursinha> pitti, yes
[13:48] <pitti> Ursinha: the one I know is "apt-cache show gedit"
[13:48] <pitti> that e. g. says
[13:48] <pitti> Task: ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-usb, edubuntu-desktop, edubuntu-usb, ubuntustudio-desktop
[13:48] <Ursinha> I was messing around with seeds and tasks yesterday to find a way to do that programatically
[13:48] <pitti> i. e. it's part of ubuntu/edubuntu/studio default install, but e. g. not Kubuntu
[13:48] <Ursinha> ah, I thought you mean programatically
[13:49] <pitti> Ursinha: that is "programatically", isn't it?
[13:49] <pitti> Ursinha: you can also have a list of packages which are on a particular flavour's default install
[13:49] <Ursinha> pitti, hehe, you're right, I meant a way of getting it using launchpad or something
[13:49] <pitti> e. g. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/precise-desktop-i386.manifest
[13:49] <Ursinha> pitti, there are the seeds as well
[13:50] <pitti> Ursinha: right, seeds are the top-level packages that we want
[13:50] <Ursinha> pitti, like this: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.precise/desktop
[13:50] <Ursinha> germinate output, that is
[13:52] <pitti> Ursinha: there is a desktop.depends output, too, which should have the dependencies
[13:52] <pitti> Ursinha: perhaps it's better if you can tell me the acutal question you'd like to solve?
[13:53] <Ursinha> pitti, finding the important packages for desktop/server/name it
[13:53] <Ursinha> pitti, I'm asking you only because you mentioned that was easy, and I thought it might be related to launchpad in some way
[13:53] <pitti> Ursinha: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.precise/desktop.depends is a fairly good list for desktop
[13:53] <Ursinha> but as it's not, I'll keep doing what I'm doing: looking other sources
[13:53] <pitti> server has the equivalent
[13:54] <Ursinha> right, thanks for the pointer
[14:06] <didrocks> mterry: hey, how are you?
[14:06] <mterry> didrocks, hi, good
[14:07] <didrocks> mterry: I have a small question because I think you added that to gnome-activity-journal:
[14:07] <didrocks> if HAVE_CCPANEL
[14:07] <didrocks>     sed -i "s/^Categories=.*/\0\n\nNotShowIn=$(shell grep OnlyShowIn $(srcdir)/alm-ccpanel.desktop.in | cut -d= -f2)/" $@
[14:07] <didrocks> endif
[14:07] <didrocks> for the .desktop file
[14:07] <didrocks> what was it intended to do?
[14:08] <mterry> didrocks, no, manish added that because something similar was in deja-dup's Makefile.am.  I talked to him yesterday, and I believe he dropped those lines.
[14:08] <didrocks> mterry: hum, I bzr pull like an hour ago :)
[14:08] <manish> didrocks: wait. Let me push
[14:08] <manish> if i havnt
[14:08] <seb128> didrocks, he maybe didn't push his changes
[14:08] <didrocks> manish: oh! :)
[14:09] <seb128> manish, where is the reference vcs for your work?
[14:09] <seb128> lp:~activity-log-manager/activity-log-manager/vala-gcc ?
[14:10] <manish> seb128: didrocks mterry here lp:~activity-log-manager/activity-log-manager/vala
[14:10] <didrocks> manish: also, you probably want: lp:~didrocks/activity-log-manager/fix-potfiles.in
[14:10] <manish> that is a branch
[14:10] <didrocks> if it's not in this branch :)
[14:10] <didrocks> thanks manish, packaging that for now
[14:10] <didrocks> thanks mterry for the pointer :)
[14:10] <manish> seb128: that was a branch of that branch when I was working on g-c-c integration
[14:11] <didrocks> manish: can you add the include and push it there?
[14:11] <manish> yes, doing
[14:11] <didrocks> thanks :)
[14:11] <seb128> manish, ok, that's the one you mentioned on the channel yesterday so I was unsur
[14:11] <manish> yes.
[14:13] <manish> didrocks: two things are left in this work. i18n and treeview improvements
[14:13] <manish> treeview is magic, so it might take a few ays
[14:13] <manish> *days
[14:14] <didrocks> manish: no worry, we are frozen right now for alpha2 anyway. I'm just getting a packaging prepared :)
[14:14] <manish> didrocks: done pushing. pull
[14:14] <didrocks> manish: thanks, doing :)
[14:15] <manish> uploading it to a PPA would also help, so that people on oneiric can also test it out
[14:15] <didrocks> manish: does it dep on zg 0.9?
[14:16] <seb128> didrocks, upload to the ubuntu-desktop ppa, give us the crack :p
[14:17] <didrocks> can for precise, need to do on zg req. for oneiric :p
[14:18] <seb128> oneiric users don't want the crack, they would run precise otherwise ;-)
[14:19] <didrocks> it appears in g-c-c \o/
[14:19] <didrocks> (but yeah, a lot of gtktreeview warning :))
[14:20] <manish> didrocks: nope, it works on oneiric
[14:20] <manish> didrocks: yes. It is painful. Still working on it.
[14:20] <didrocks> manish: so zg 0.8 is fine?
[14:20] <manish> I am still on oneiric and using the python zeitgeist on this laptop
[14:20] <manish> yes
[14:20] <didrocks> manish: looks good for a first draft :)
[14:21]  * didrocks sees he's not the only one having a graphical issue on the first tab on the notebook :)
[14:21] <manish> even I have
[14:21] <manish> those lines
[14:21] <manish> treeview is very difficult to get right. I am hoping seiflotfy gets time to work
[14:28] <didrocks> hum, you are install the copyright, install files in /usr/doc. I'll have a look to fix that
[14:30] <manish> didrocks: there arn't much info in copyright, install etc help files
[14:31] <didrocks> manish: yeah, they are just install in the wrong dir, I'll fix it :)
[14:31] <manish> keep a downstream patch for now
[14:31] <didrocks> manish: oh, you don't want a merge proposal for it?
[14:31] <manish> didrocks: NOOOOOOO
[14:31] <manish> I didn't mean that
[14:32] <manish> I just mean I am travelling tomorrow for 2 days
[14:32] <didrocks> manish: no hurry! yeah, I'm workaround it in the package for now :)
[14:32] <manish> so won't be able to merge what you send for next 2 days, in which case you need to ping seiflotfy for it
[14:32] <didrocks> manish: will send your way a merge proposal when I've time to look at what's wrong :)
[14:32] <manish> sure
[14:45] <mterry> stgraber, heyo.  unity-greeter trunk uses gsettings
[14:46] <stgraber> mterry: yeah!
[14:46] <stgraber> mterry: let me know before it lands so I schedule some time to update edubuntu-artwork to use gsettings instead of our ugly hack ;)
[14:46] <xclaesse> seb128, I was wondering, is there any rational why .la files are still shipped into packages?
[14:47] <seb128> they are not
[14:47] <mterry> stgraber, OK, don't know exactly when it will land though.  robert-ancell will probably push that in
[14:47] <seb128> or they are progressively being dropped but transitioning takes a bit of time
[14:47] <xclaesse> seb128, ah ok
[14:47] <xclaesse> thanks
[14:47] <mterry> stgraber, it wouldn't hurt to update edubuntu-artwork ahead of time.
[14:48] <mterry> (and have it do both until unity-greeter 0.2.1 is released)
[14:53] <seb128> mterry, hey
[14:53] <mterry> seb128, hello!
[14:53] <seb128> mterry, I think you should email robert_ancell and tell him you can handle the unity-greeter release and want to do one
[14:54] <seb128> mterry, he's soon going to be off for some time so maybe it's better if he hands that to you before being away
[14:54] <mterry> Ah, OK
[14:59] <stgraber> mterry: indeed
[15:03] <pitti> akgraner: hello, welcome to u-desktop!
[15:03] <akgraner> hey!
[15:03] <didrocks> hey akgraner :)
[15:03] <pitti> didrocks, akgraner: so, I wondered about the tools we used to test the last unity round, and whether they need some more promotion
[15:03] <akgraner> hey didrocks  :-)
[15:04] <pitti> along the currently outstanding work item
[15:04] <pitti> if that's obsolete, I'm happy to just drop it, as I understand our QA team will do some announcement soon
[15:04] <didrocks> yeah, first, akgraner, are you familar with this testing tool? (I blogged about it for the unity 5.0 RC on planet ubuntu)
[15:04] <akgraner> I know at UDS we talked about leveraging more community testing of Unity
[15:04] <didrocks> it's basically a followup on the UDS session we had
[15:04] <didrocks> right
[15:05] <akgraner> I saw the blog post..yes
[15:05] <didrocks> since, I experimented with the french community a first round for unity 5.0
[15:05] <didrocks> and then published the results
[15:05] <didrocks> we are about doing the same in unity 5.2 (just sent an email, you in CC about it)
[15:05] <akgraner> that looked like it went well
[15:05] <didrocks> yeah, we of course refined some tests wording
[15:06] <didrocks> and made some changes to checkbox
[15:06] <didrocks> basically, we are wrapping around checkbox
[15:06] <akgraner> gotcha - how many more testers would you like to have (realistically)
[15:06] <didrocks> akgraner: there are two things in fact
[15:06] <pitti> ah, so we have checkbox plugisn for that?
[15:07] <pitti> (in a PPA, I presume)
[15:07] <didrocks> - testers, I think that in 2/3 days of testing, 100 people is enough (I see that is easy to achieve at first, but will be more and more difficult with repeating this at each unity release)
[15:07] <akgraner> didrocks, since you are wrapping it around checkbox doesit overlap with ubuntu friendly testing at all?
[15:07] <didrocks> pitti: we have a checkbox-unity wrapper, basically a plugin with other tests
[15:08] <didrocks> pitti: and we have a fork of checkbox until the fixes goes into the distro (but reviewing seems to take time)
[15:08] <akgraner> s/doesit/does it
[15:08] <didrocks> akgraner: no, apart from the patch in the checkbox copy we have, but we try to not make breaking the system checkbox
[15:08] <didrocks> so it should be fine for them
[15:09] <didrocks> the ppa containing this checkbox and checkbox-unity is the ppa we are making unity testable:  https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/ppa
[15:09] <akgraner> perfect
[15:10] <didrocks> I just uploaded the version with the new "RC tag", so people using that ppa will see at next login "a new Unity RC is available, can you please…" and the icon is added to the launcher
[15:10] <akgraner> so how does this sound  - I'll install the the ppa and run through the test, then I'll tell people how they can do it - then I'll send my post to you to see if any additional details need to be added
[15:10] <didrocks> so, testers needed (and nicholas, the new qa responsible for the community team, will handle the call)
[15:10] <akgraner> if not I'll post to the fridge and then cross post in other places
[15:11] <didrocks> akgraner: that would be awesome, the more testers to ensure everything is fine, the better :)
[15:11] <didrocks> akgraner: maybe coordinate wiht nicholas?
[15:11] <didrocks> as jono told me he should handle that
[15:11] <akgraner> I'll touch base with him today then :-)
[15:11] <didrocks> excellent!
[15:11] <didrocks> I think getting testers today isn't an issue
[15:11] <didrocks> I think that the 6th time we will have a call for testing, it will become way more difficult
[15:12] <didrocks> (it's kind of boring ;))
[15:12] <pitti> it certainly sounds like a rotational kind of thing
[15:12] <didrocks> yeah, I hope it will be healthy enough so that we always have newcomers
[15:12] <akgraner> I think just letting people know how to test is key...walk them through it etc.  But I'll help you get it promoted :-)
[15:12] <pitti> but making the tools more widely known and documented should make it easier for everyone to help out
[15:13] <didrocks> akgraner: nice, thanks a lot :)
[15:13] <didrocks> another issue that will come with time and that we need to think is how to maintain the tests
[15:13] <didrocks> and make them updating for the new incoming RC
[15:13] <didrocks> (took me quite some time only with the new features for 5.2)
[15:14] <didrocks> not sure how we can make the whole community participate to that effort
[15:15] <akgraner> we can't make them but I bet we can encourage them and make sure the tools are easily accessible and understand at all levels.  I'll be sure to let you know if I run into any pain points as I go through the process
[15:16] <didrocks> akgraner: sounds excellent :) (I meant "make them able to participate" but it's like in french, seems I'm eating words :))
[15:16] <akgraner> didrocks, no worries :-)
[15:17] <didrocks> ok, do not hesitate to ping me if everything go wrong (read the email I sent at your @ubuntu.com about the hud ppa, it's the only "issue" you can get if you upgrade to this ppa AFAIK)
[15:17] <akgraner> I will  - thank you!
[15:18] <didrocks> thanks to you :)
[15:18] <akgraner> more soon then
[15:18] <pitti> akgraner, didrocks: thanks!
[15:18] <didrocks> thanks pitti for setting this up :)
[15:18] <pitti> (sorry, I'm rather useless in that discussion)
[15:18] <didrocks> waow, omgubuntu already notice I just copied unity from staging to the unity-team/ppa
[15:18] <akgraner> pitti, thanks for tracking the blueprint :-) it's nice to get things done now than the week beofre UDS
[15:20] <mterry> stgraber, OK, since robert-ancell's about to take some time off, I may end up pushing a new unity-greeter a little after A2
[15:23] <stgraber> mterry: ok
[15:23] <mterry> stgraber, I can give you another heads up before I actually do it
[15:24] <stgraber> mterry: that'd be great. Ideally I'll have uploaded the new edubuntu-artwork by then.
[15:44] <desrt> smspillaz: hey
[15:44] <desrt> smspillaz: do you have that gsettings keybinding compiz patch kicking around?
[15:46] <smspillaz> desrt: somewhere but its untested, and the gsettings backend wont land this cycle
[15:47] <smspillaz> desrt: why whats up ?
[15:47] <desrt> smspillaz: it may...
[15:47] <smspillaz> uhhh
[15:47] <desrt> don't think about it now :p
[15:47] <smspillaz> yeah I don't want to think about it really :(
[16:00] <desrt> jbicha: hey
[16:15] <chrisccoulson> dear google, please stop advertising chrome when i go to use your search engine. thank you
[16:16] <seb128> dear yahoo stop advertising for firefox 8 when I use firefox 10
[16:16] <chrisccoulson> you should stop using yahoo ;)
[16:22] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I don't use yahoo query, just read yahoo news ;-)
[16:27] <cyphermox> meeting soon?
[16:27] <pitti> cyphermox: no agenda items on the wiki page, do you have something?
[16:27] <kenvandine> nothing from me
[16:27] <cyphermox> not really ;)
[16:27] <cyphermox> just an announcement though
[16:29] <cyphermox> I'm applying for coredev at the next DMB meeting. If you've sponsored stuff for me recently and can spare a few minutes to write a comment or something that would be much, much appreciated. I can even get out a list of things sponsored :)
[16:29] <pitti> cyphermox: list of sponsored packages would be very appreciated
[16:30] <kenvandine> cyphermox, and a link :)
[16:30] <pitti> I never know how to do that
[16:30] <Ursinha> pitti, could you invite me for the meeting, please? :)
[16:30] <cyphermox> pitti: certainly sir ;)
[16:30] <jbicha> desrt: howdy
[16:30] <kenvandine> hey Ursinha, welcome!
[16:30] <pitti> Ursinha: yep, adding you to my "desktop team" alias
[16:30] <Ursinha> thanks kenvandine :)
[16:30] <cyphermox> kenvandine: the link is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MathieuTrudel/CoreDevApplication
[16:30] <Ursinha> thanks pitti
[16:30] <desrt> jbicha: was going to ping about a problem, but i discovered that it's not a problem meanwhile :)
[16:30] <pitti> Ursinha: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-01-31 is the "news of the week", FYI
[16:30] <jbicha> desrt: happy I could help ;)
[16:30] <pitti> hey desrt
[16:30] <bryce> Ursinha, welcome to the team :-)
[16:30] <didrocks> mterry: can you please tag your bug to 5.2-rc1 please?
[16:31] <pitti> desrt: sorry, didn't find time to debug the udisks2 dbus activation bug yet
[16:31] <Ursinha> thanks bryce :)
[16:31] <mterry> didrocks, k
[16:31] <didrocks> thanks :)
[16:31] <jbicha> I fix my wife's problems the same way, I come over to her computer and everything magically works again
[16:31] <cyphermox> pitti: I wrote a script to get who sponsored stuff for whom, but I know others have done so in the past as well
[16:31] <mterry> didrocks, oh, omer did for me
[16:32] <didrocks> mterry: yeah, I asked him, it's just a FYI for next bugs :)
[16:32] <didrocks> sure you will file more, nasty you! :-)
[16:32] <mterry> heh
[16:38] <pitti> GunnarHj: hm, we could upload https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/gdm/redefine-LANG/+merge/82804 now, or would you rathehr wait until accountsservice is in?
[16:39] <GunnarHj> pitti: It's fine now.
[16:39] <pitti> GunnarHj: that's what I thought, thanks for confirming
[16:39]  * pitti dist-upgrades to unity PPA and holds breath
[16:39] <desrt> pitti: no worries
[16:40] <desrt> pitti: i don't usually use my jhbuild version of palimpist to repartition my disk, so i'm not blocked :)
[16:42] <pitti> desrt: I had a quick look, and it's not immediately obvious what's wrong; I tried some stuff with udisksctl, and that seemed to work
[16:43] <desrt> pitti: could you reproduce the issue as i stated?
[16:43] <desrt> ie: works fine when you run as root, but not from the activation environment?
[16:43] <pitti> desrt: haven't tried with palimsest, only with udisksctl
[16:44] <pitti> and for mounting etc. it works fine
[16:44] <desrt> hum
[16:44] <jbicha> gnome-disk-utility is in the gnome3 ppa, just in case you didn't see it
[16:44] <pitti> desrt: doesn't sound very complex, though, I just didn't get aorund to it today
[16:44] <desrt> ya
[16:44] <desrt> my first guess was PATH was wrong or something
[16:44] <desrt> but it seems fine
[16:44] <pitti> right
[16:44] <desrt> so my other guess is some other environment variable or apparmor is causing trouble
[16:44] <pitti> both udisks1 and 2 set that at the beginning
[16:57]  * cyphermox sighs
[16:57] <cyphermox> seb128: session ready :)
[16:58] <seb128> cyphermox, what session? oh your udw one?
[16:58] <cyphermox> yeah
[16:58] <pitti> desrt: do you happen to know if glib wraps inotify in any way?
[16:58] <cyphermox> just finished writing it and preparing everything
[16:58] <cyphermox> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evolution/+bug/924356 :)
[16:58] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 924356 in evolution "Edit as New Message always uses the default email address" [Medium,Fix released]
[16:58] <cyphermox> wtf
[16:59] <cyphermox> oh, right, upstream bug :)
[16:59] <didrocks> desrt: hum, I'm wondering, there is really no way to get the default value for a gsettings key? (dconf-editor is scanning the schemas for that IIRC))
[17:00] <pitti> desrt: that is, it does seem to be in Gio, I just seem to search for the wrong things in devhelp
[17:00] <GunnarHj> pitti: As regards other instances of calling shell scripts as root, they either don't write to disk or (in the case of del-profile-env-settings) delete carefully specified lines. Is there still a reason do drop privileges in those cases?
[17:00] <desrt> pitti: it does
[17:00] <desrt> pitti: you want GFileMonitor
[17:01] <pitti> GunnarHj: yes, as shell scripts are inherently brittle and susceptible to symlink attacks and what not
[17:01] <desrt> which you create with a call to g_file_monitor()
[17:01] <pitti> GunnarHj: in general, if you don't need to run them as root, they shouldn't
[17:01] <pitti> desrt: aah, monitor; thanks!
[17:01] <desrt> or g_file_monitor_directory() more likely
[17:01] <desrt> didrocks: there is a well-known dirty trick
[17:01] <desrt> didrocks: a) create a GSettings object
[17:01] <pitti> desrt: cheers
[17:01] <desrt> b) g_settings_delay()
[17:01] <desrt> c) g_settings_reset()
[17:01] <didrocks> oh and revert :)
[17:01] <desrt> d) g_settings_get()
[17:01] <didrocks> yeah
[17:01] <didrocks> hum :)
[17:02] <desrt> 'default' is a complicated idea
[17:02] <didrocks> didn't though about the delay
[17:02] <desrt> which is why it is not exposed
[17:02] <desrt> there's the default per the schema
[17:02] <GunnarHj> pitti: Ok, I'll chage it as you suggested then.
[17:02] <desrt> but that's not neccessarily what the user would see as the default
[17:02] <desrt> because the sysadmin may have some site defaults in effect
[17:02] <didrocks> yeah, with the different level of override
[17:02] <didrocks> but _reset() know about it, isn't it?
[17:03] <desrt> yes
[17:03] <desrt> the gsettingsbackend has a concept of defaults
[17:03] <desrt> so when you reset() in a delayed gsettings backend, that's what is happening
[17:03] <pitti> GunnarHj: thanks
[17:03] <desrt> i should probably just expose that as a proper API
[17:03] <desrt> there are other reasons i have been resisting it, though
[17:04] <didrocks> desrt: which ones?
[17:04] <didrocks> desrt: yeah, I meant "you already know it with _reset()"
[17:04] <desrt> so take translated default values, for example
[17:04] <desrt> sometimes the translator makes a mistake
[17:04] <desrt> and the translated value is useless
[17:04] <desrt> so you have to fall back on the untranslated value
[17:04] <desrt> there are all of these different levels of 'defaults'
[17:05] <desrt> that's what g_settings_get_mapped() is doing
[17:06] <didrocks> oh, interesting
[17:06] <desrt> the reason i've resisted a get_default() API before now is because all of the people who thought that they wanted one really just wanted get_mapped()
[17:08] <desrt> in any case, i think i may not add get_default() but rather is_default()
[17:08] <desrt> that's the actual interesting question, in my opinion
[17:08] <seb128> desrt, sometime you do want to know the default though
[17:08] <desrt> seb128: like when?
[17:09] <didrocks> desrt: look at https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1ILTJDiDCd25Npt2AmgzF8aOnZZECxTfM0hvsbWT2BxA/edit?hl=en_US
[17:09] <didrocks> section 2.2
[17:09] <didrocks> we show the theme
[17:09] <didrocks> and add "(default)" next to the default one
[17:09] <seb128> desrt, what didrocks is showing, indicate the default value in a combo, or the default position on a slider
[17:11] <desrt> hum
[17:11] <desrt> i think that's a bad UI, actually
[17:12] <desrt> here's why:
[17:12] <seb128> desrt, dunno why but I knew you were going to say that :p
[17:12] <desrt> if the user clicks on that choice, or moves the slider to that position, then it's unclear what their intent is
[17:12] <didrocks> seb128: you know him too well!
[17:12] <desrt> is their intent that they want that specific choice
[17:12] <desrt> or is their intent that they want to use the default value, whatever it may be?
[17:13] <desrt> imagine you are in a workplace where the default wallpaper is changed once per month and this question becomes quite important
[17:13] <dobey> desrt: or set that to be the default value
[17:13] <desrt> so in all cases i'd expect to see instead the ability to select your own choice or have a separate 'reset to default' option
[17:13] <seb128> desrt, well you can have both, an indication of the default value and the reset button
[17:14] <seb128> desrt, I disagree that there is no valid case to want to hint what the default is
[17:14] <desrt> right
[17:14] <seb128> desrt, even if the specific design might not be good
[17:14] <desrt> i'll agree that the hint is actually nice
[17:15] <dobey> ooh, it was renamed back to Appearance. yay.
[17:15] <desrt> but there's nothing preventing that from being supposed with is_default()
[17:15] <desrt> *supported
[17:15] <seb128> desrt, well it forces you to iterate through all possible values
[17:15] <seb128> it's just extra work
[17:15] <desrt> which you are doing anyway...
[17:15] <seb128> not for the slider
[17:15] <desrt> ah.  true!
[17:15] <desrt> hum
[17:15] <desrt> time to think about it, then :)
[17:16] <seb128> ;-)
[17:16] <desrt> see.. the problem is
[17:16] <desrt> i add an API like this
[17:16] <desrt> and then your designers come along with designs like these
[17:16] <desrt> and there's no problem.  everything works
[17:17] <desrt> my API has allowed (perhaps even encouraged) you to implement an anti-pattern
[17:17] <desrt> and i warn against it in the docs
[17:17] <desrt> but nobody reads those :)
[17:17] <seb128> -those
[17:17] <seb128> :p
[17:18] <desrt> g_settings_I_PROMISE_I_READ_THE_DOCS_FIRST_get_default()
[17:18] <desrt> i like it...
[17:18] <pitti> desrt: no
[17:19] <pitti> desrt: g_settings_<eleven digit prime number you see in the second-last doc paragraph>_get_default()
[17:19] <desrt> pitti: trouble is that the function name gets put in the docs summary
[17:19] <desrt> we rather need g_settings_get_default (int magic_num, ...)
[17:19] <desrt> and have the magic num in the second last paragraph :)
[17:20] <mterry> desrt, copy and paste will get around that
[17:20] <desrt> ya.  was just thinking that.
[17:20] <didrocks> agreed, like autotools :)
[17:21] <desrt> we have to have an algorithm that determines the magic number from your key and schema name
[17:21] <desrt> so it's a different one each time
[17:21] <desrt> we can describe it in the docs
[17:21] <mterry> desrt, have the developer do a captcha
[17:21] <seb128> is it friday yet? ;-)
[17:22]  * didrocks likes the captcha idea
[17:22]  * desrt too
[17:22] <didrocks> fredp: want to integrate captcha in devhelp? ^
[17:22]  * didrocks just imagine someone getting pinged in the middle of this conversation :)
[17:24]  * desrt notes that we have some precedence for this sort of thing with the #define G_YES_I_KNOW_THE_WORLD_MAY_EXPLODE_UNDER_MY_FEET that we do...
[17:47] <pitti> good night everyone!
[17:47] <desrt> pitti: ciao
[18:12] <didrocks> have a good night everyone!
[18:46] <seb128> desrt, the new gtk somewhat broke update-manager context menu
[18:46] <seb128> Traceback (most recent call last):
[18:46] <seb128>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/UpdateManager/UpdateManager.py", line 507, in show_context_menu
[18:46] <seb128>     menu.popup_for_device(
[18:46] <seb128> AttributeError: 'Menu' object has no attribute 'popup_for_device'
[18:47] <BigWhale> Greetings.
[18:47] <desrt>     Add a 'Rename to' annotation so gtk_menu_popup_for_device
[18:47] <desrt>     appears in bindings as gtk_menu_popup (which we skip anyway).
[18:47] <desrt> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=657385
[18:47] <ubot2`> Gnome bug 657385 in menu "[introspection] gtk_menu_popup() not introspected" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[18:48] <seb128> desrt, hum
[18:48] <seb128> desrt, that means WONTFIX?
[18:48] <seb128> desrt, that's somewhat a compatibility break, i.e breaking working applications
[18:49] <dobey> ah, the gir new world :)
[18:49] <desrt> seb128: ya... pretty much
[18:49] <desrt> nobody has yet some up with hard and fast rules for what gir compatibility means
[18:49] <seb128> desrt, :-( I can understand why mvo hates gtk nowadays
[18:49] <seb128> you can't get a credible platform and do that sort of things to app developers
[18:51] <dobey> seb128: yep. it's even worse when you need to support both gtk2 and gtk3 in the same code :(
[18:51] <seb128> well I can understand the transition gtk2 to gtk3
[18:52] <seb128> but breaking applications between stable series like that is not good
[18:52] <desrt> that API was bound as a stable release?
[18:53] <seb128> desrt, well it worked in 3.2, it's broken in 3.4
[18:53] <desrt> okay
[18:53] <desrt> that gives me enough to go on, thanks
[18:54] <desrt> seb128: btw... getting the new intltool release into the distro ASAP would be great
[18:54] <desrt> (once it is released, of course)
[18:54] <seb128> desrt, did danilo roll a tarball?
[18:54] <desrt> not yet
[18:54] <desrt> but it will come soon
[18:54] <seb128> desrt, I've been watching the bug, it's on my todolist ;-)
[18:54]  * desrt just saw you change it to low-priority
[18:54] <seb128> desrt, do you need the gschemas fix or the other commit as well?
[18:55] <desrt> both
[18:55] <desrt> gmenu-using applications are essentially untranslatable without the other fix
[18:55] <seb128> desrt, well from an ubuntu perspective it's not high priority, i.e I'm tracking it but I don't want it to show on release team lists, etc
[18:55] <desrt> the gschemas one is actually much lower priority, in my opinion
[18:55] <desrt> we've been living without it for a while already
[18:55] <seb128> desrt, ok, I will backport them tomorrow
[18:56] <desrt> seb128: i'd just wait for the release
[18:56] <desrt> and the gschemas stuff is still in flux, perhaps
[18:56] <desrt> there may be another commit there... danilo and i are still debating it
[18:56] <seb128> ok
[18:56] <seb128> if you are confident danilo will do a release in the next weeks ;-)
[18:56] <desrt> if he doesn't do it by next monday then you can vendor-patch :)
[18:56] <seb128> ok ;-)
[18:57] <seb128> dinner time, bbl
[18:57] <desrt> ciao
[19:01] <chrisccoulson> i'm updating unity from the PPA. wish me luck! :-)
[19:08] <dobey> chrisccoulson: well, your video drivers will probably continue to work, so no real issues. unlike for me, when i updated from the archive. i guess the kernel ABI breakage causes the nvidia drivers to break. at least i think it's that, rather than X, though i'm holding back xserver-xorg-core right now as well because of it :-/
[19:31] <chrisccoulson> eek,i've updated unity and all of the icons on the launcher are just black squares
[19:34] <jason_> chrisccoulson, video card and do you have any non-standard unity settings?
[19:34] <chrisccoulson> jason_, this just has intel hardware
[19:34] <chrisccoulson> i don't think there are non-standard settings, 1 second :)
[19:40] <desrt> seb128: got a bug ref for the software centre issue?
[19:42] <desrt> seb128: i find https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/923171 but it looks like it may be a dup of a 'main bug' elsewhere?
[19:42] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 923171 in software-center "software-center crashed with AttributeError in popup(): 'Menu' object has no attribute 'popup_for_device'" [Undecided,New]
[19:49] <chrisccoulson> jason_, ok, it's broken if you set the launcher background opacity to anything other than zero in ccsm :)
[19:51] <seb128> desrt, I noticed in update-manager, and no, we are frozen for a2, I didn't upload that gtk yet
[19:51] <seb128> desrt, the guy who reported that bug is using ricotz's crack of the day ppa builds
[19:51] <seb128> desrt, but I'm sure if I upload to precise you will get quite some bugs the next day
[19:52] <ricotz> uh what?
[19:52] <ricotz> oh, i guess gtk?
[19:52] <seb128> ricotz, the new gtk broken python stuff
[19:52] <desrt> ricotz: not your fault
[19:52] <desrt> seb128: i raised the issue on the gtk list
[19:52] <seb128> desrt, thanks
[19:53] <desrt> the truth is that i don't have an answer to give you
[19:53] <ricotz> desrt, yeah, didnt thought so ;)
[19:53] <desrt> so the issue that i raised is that we should probably come up with that answer :)
[19:54] <seb128> desrt, well, I can understand mvo when he complains that gtk is just bad for app developer in non C
[19:54] <seb128> desrt, the gtk3 binding story is nowhere stable or credible for "normal" app developers out there
[19:54] <desrt> seb128: gobject-introspection has been a real mixed bad
[19:54] <desrt> *bag
[19:55] <seb128> desrt, nobody to blame but things are just still buggy, not documented well and keep changin
[19:55] <seb128> g
[19:55] <seb128> desrt, which is a pretty bad experience if you want to write a small application and distribute it
[20:03] <mvo> seb128: or write a bigger application …
[20:03] <seb128> mvo, yeah, -small I guess
[20:03] <mvo> I understand what you mean, just tried to be funny
[20:03] <seb128> mvo, ;-)
[20:14] <ricotz> seb128, do you if Cimi came up with a solution?
[20:15] <seb128> rk
[20:15] <seb128> ricotz, <pbor> seb128: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-themes-standard/commit/?id=c56984c0f16d40da119bde328bd57a56a819c7ba was committed at the same time
[20:16] <seb128> ricotz, seems like the same thing should be applied to light-themes
[20:16] <seb128> dunno if Cimi did it yet
[20:16] <seb128> but should be trivial
[20:16] <ricotz> seb128, ah, i see, this is only one part
[20:16] <seb128> ricotz, what else is broken?
[20:16] <ricotz> the other padding part is needed too
[20:16] <seb128> ok
[20:16] <ricotz> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-themes-standard/commit/?id=c9bb6abfde5c5b7dd3b8dfa70739eb2e9827e8ca
[20:17] <seb128> well I'm sure Cimi will deal with it, I will make sure it's fixed when we land gtk
[20:17] <seb128> but that's going to be after the alpha2 freeze
[20:17] <ricotz> alright
[20:17] <seb128> the new glib,gtk are in the ubuntu-desktop ppa until then
[20:17] <ricotz> good
[21:56] <jasoncwarner_> bryce RAOF TheMuso robert_ancell meeting reminder...if you have any agenda items, put them on the wiki.
[21:56] <jasoncwarner_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-01-31
[21:59] <TheMuso> Done.
[22:00] <TheMuso> Its actually one of the first things i do on a Wednesday morning now.
[22:04] <jasoncwarner_> no agenda items....thanks everyone :)
[22:05] <bryce> thanks
[22:11] <RAOF> Cool.
[22:17] <desrt> robert_ancell: is it normal that the gears icon is missing from the unity greater at first?
[22:17] <desrt> the one that opens the session menu...
[22:18] <robert_ancell> desrt, no, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-greeter/+bug/918657
[22:18] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 918657 in unity-greeter "unity-greeter_0.2.0-0ubuntu2 breaks desktop-selector" [High,Fix committed]
[22:18] <robert_ancell> well, perhaps yes then
[22:18] <desrt> chrisccoulson: weird firefox bug if you're still around
[22:18] <robert_ancell> but not intended
[22:18] <desrt> robert_ancell: :)
[22:18] <chrisccoulson> desrt, my head is about to explode with another weird bug (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=716036) ;)
[22:19] <desrt> chrisccoulson: no matter what i do (including rebooting my machine) firefox tells me that it's running
[22:19] <ubot2`> Mozilla bug 716036 in Layout "css z-ordering renders invisible text on google search page" [Normal,Unconfirmed: ]
[22:19] <chrisccoulson> desrt, and there really is no process running?
[22:19] <desrt> "Firefox is already running, but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing Firefox process, or restart your system."
[22:19] <desrt> yes.  i was quite certain to begin with
[22:19] <desrt> but now that i've rebooted i'm really really really certain
[22:19] <chrisccoulson> desrt, your home folder isn't on some weird mount is it?
[22:19] <desrt> i have a separate /home if that's what you mean
[22:20] <chrisccoulson> that's ok :)
[22:20] <desrt> fwiw, i was just mucking around in ~/.mozilla
[22:20] <chrisccoulson> desrt, and the permissions on ~/.mozilla/firefox are ok?
[22:20] <desrt> ya
[22:20] <desrt> i erased my profile
[22:20] <desrt> oh.  there we go.
[22:20] <desrt> huh.
[22:21] <desrt> so if the profile directory doesn't exist it causes firefox to believe that it is running
[22:21] <desrt> fix: create empty directory
[22:21] <chrisccoulson> desrt, oh, you didn't remove the reference to the profile from profiles.ini?
[22:21] <desrt> no.
[22:21] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that behaviour is a bit dumb :)
[22:23] <desrt> if i had to guess, it's trying to create a lock in the profile directory and when that fails, it assumes it's because someone else is holding the lock
[22:23] <desrt> meanwhile it actually failed because the directory doesn't exist
[22:24] <chrisccoulson> desrt, yes, that's right :)
[22:52] <desrt> chrisccoulson: firefox question..
[22:52] <desrt> chrisccoulson: do you know if it's possible to automatically set all incoming cookies to expire at session-end except for explicitly-whitelisted ones/sites?
[22:54] <chrisccoulson> desrt, i don't think that's possible
[22:55] <desrt> it seems like the obviously-correct thing to do
[22:55] <desrt> it should be the freaking default
[22:55] <desrt> nevermind not possible at all without an addon :p
[22:57] <chrisccoulson> desrt, yeah, i just took a look at the code which handles storing cookies, and it doesn't look like it supports that
[22:57] <chrisccoulson> desrt, question for you ....  ;)
[22:58] <chrisccoulson> can i have different menus in each window with gtkapplication and gmenu?
[22:58] <desrt> no
[22:58] <desrt> but...
[22:58] <desrt> it is planned to add support for that
[22:58] <chrisccoulson> that would make me very happy :)
[22:58] <desrt> what's your usecase?
[22:59] <chrisccoulson> i started looking at adding support for this to firefox, and thunderbird is the obvious case for needing a separate menubar per window
[22:59] <desrt> i ask because we're currently pondering between two different flavours for the UI
[23:04] <desrt> hum
[23:04] <desrt> cookieculler is pretty close to what i want
[23:05] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, that hasn't been updated for over 2 years :/
[23:05] <desrt> it does the trick, though
[23:06] <chrisccoulson> i tend to avoid addons that aren't being actively maintained :)
[23:06] <chrisccoulson> yeah, the cookie service stuff hasn't changed much in a while (i don't think)
[23:06] <desrt> it's relatively simple
[23:06] <desrt> you flag cookies as 'protected'
[23:06] <desrt> and any cookie not flagged is deleted on startup
[23:06] <desrt> so i can throw my bugzilla and launchpad login cookies in here
[23:06] <desrt> and to hell with the rest
[23:08] <chrisccoulson> ooh, my armel debug firefox nightly build has nearly finished. and it only took half the day :)
[23:12] <desrt> hum
[23:12] <desrt> cookie culler is having a bad interaction with canonical wiki and SSO
[23:15] <desrt> uhm
[23:15] <desrt> is the canonical wiki broken for anyone else? :)
[23:16] <chrisccoulson> it seems to be working ok here
[23:16] <desrt> weird
[23:16] <desrt> i just nuked cookieculler
[23:16] <desrt> and it's still not working
[23:17] <desrt> i can go to the main page but every time i try to navigate from there it seems to forget my login and wants me to do it again
[23:20] <jbicha> desrt: the Canonical wiki's broken for me, but I think that's different ;)
[23:22] <desrt> jbicha: maybe not
[23:23]  * desrt recently got some permission bits flipped, but maybe not as many as he thought
[23:24] <jbicha> I've never had access to the Canonical wiki
[23:24] <desrt> you're missing out on a lot of ... purple
[23:25] <jbicha> well I still get the purple polka dots, just no text to go with it so I don't visit it very often, lol
[23:45] <chrisccoulson> nice, i have a new follower on twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/TynishaX7849
[23:45] <chrisccoulson> i'm sure that i'm getting more and more twitter spam recently ;)
[23:45] <desrt> quite posh.
[23:46] <chrisccoulson> heh
[23:47]  * desrt notes that the web is completely overgrown with cookie use
[23:49] <TheMuso> One could consider cookies a form of spyware...
[23:49] <desrt> i sort of do
[23:50] <desrt> disabling them entirely is not really an option either
[23:50] <desrt> since most sites these days require them for even basic functioning
[23:50] <TheMuso> This is true.
[23:50] <desrt> erasing them as soon as you leave the site is the best you can do
[23:50] <desrt> when the browser closes is a good enough approximation for me
[23:50] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[23:53] <chrisccoulson> right, time to move downstairs
[23:53] <chrisccoulson> which means that my laptop will die momentarily