[08:08] <dholbach> good morning
[10:55] <locodir-user> hi
[13:11] <mhall119> morning
[15:03] <paultag> morning mhall119 
[15:06] <mhall119> morning paultag 
[15:06] <paultag> mhall119: what's new?
[15:07] <mhall119> paultag: so I got a ping yesterday from davidcalle, pointing me at your blog about your politics api, for reference in making a politics lens :)
[15:08] <paultag> mhall119: sounds like it is a good idea :)
[15:08] <mhall119> heh
[15:08] <paultag> mhall119: what didja tell him?
[15:08] <mhall119> he wasn't online anymore by the time I got up this morning
[15:10] <mhall119> paultag: once he's online I plan to tell him that you're already working on it ;)
[15:10] <paultag> mhall119: we * :)
[15:10] <paultag> I don't use unity, I'm happy to help, but I can't test or debug it to a good extent ;)
[15:10] <mhall119> UDW is started in #ubuntu-classrom!
[15:10] <mhall119> paultag: you should make a Fluxbox lens then
[15:11] <mhall119> :P
[15:11] <paultag> mhall119: it'd not be that hard with the new compositing stuff
[15:11] <mhall119> heh, I can see it now, Flunity
[15:11] <paultag> I prefer my window manager isn't 10 seconds behind my keyboard ;)
[15:12] <mhall119> that was 11.04
[15:12] <mhall119> even 11.10 was only a couple of seconds behind
[15:12] <paultag> mhall119: I'll stick with Fluxbox or Awesome / xmonad, thanks :)
[15:12] <mhall119> and 12.04 is shaping up to be nearly instant
[15:12] <paultag> Unity's such a shame :)
[15:13] <mhall119> s/shame/awesome//
[15:14] <paultag> hahaha
[15:14] <mhall119> I can't go back to Gnome2 or even 3
[15:14] <paultag> nor I, because GNOME3's just as bad
[15:14] <paultag> it gets in my way so much
[15:14] <mhall119> the keyboard navigation on Unity is better than anything else I've used
[15:14] <paultag> mhall119: have you used awesome or xmonad?
[15:14] <paultag> mhall119: try that, then tell me that ;)
[15:14] <mhall119> no, I'm not an elite hacker like you, remember?
[15:19] <Atlantic777> I'm using awesome on desktop and unity on netbook, unity is powerfull but not as powerfull as awesome is. (for mouseless usage)
[15:19] <paultag> Atlantic777: truth.
[15:19] <paultag> It almost is enough for me to want to work tiling into fluxbox
[15:20] <Atlantic777> paultag: there is some plugin... pytilling or something
[15:20] <paultag> Atlantic777: that's on top of fluxbox
[15:20] <Atlantic777> I havn't tryied it yet...
[15:20] <paultag> Atlantic777: sending EWMH hints to fluxbox on how to lay it out
[15:20] <paultag> flux has no tiling in it :)
[15:20] <paultag> I guess just EWMH to fluxbox :)
[15:21] <paultag> no such thing as a hint hint :)
[15:21] <Atlantic777> sorry, it seems that your more into that topic than me :D
[15:21] <paultag> Atlantic777: I'm paultag@fluxbox.org ;)
[15:21] <paultag> I'm required by law to be into it
[15:21] <Atlantic777> lol :D
[15:22] <paultag> but yeah, awesome is frankly, pretty great
[15:22] <paultag> not awesome yet, I'm still warming up to it
[15:22] <paultag> but pretty great, for sure.
[15:24] <Atlantic777> Well hope that you're the right person to ask, why fluxbox is bugging me with slow moving of windows (opaque on) :P
[15:24] <paultag> Atlantic777: do you have a gaming mouse?
[15:24] <Atlantic777> paultag: no
[15:25] <paultag> alright, that is the most popular reason why it's laggy :)
[15:25] <Atlantic777> btw, that's on gentoo... 
[15:25] <Atlantic777> let's move to #fluxbox
[15:25] <paultag> Atlantic777: with opaque on, it doens't freeze the process / render, so it really bogs down the action - it's all single threaded right now (and for the foreseeable future), it's actually the same reason with opaque off, music players will stop playing music
[15:25] <paultag> Atlantic777: yeah, let's :)
[15:26] <paultag> I've not found a good threading solution that will work on [UNIX|BSD|Linux|Solaris|Hurd|*]
[15:26] <paultag> nor has anyone else involved ;)
[18:34] <paultag> hey mhall119 
[18:35] <paultag> mhall119: can you tell some of the design folks ( I can't get at them because I'm not @canonical, gah ) - that some of us have multi-monitor setups with a rotated secondary to be length-wise?
[18:35] <paultag> mhall119: if they're drawing up a spec, I'd like for that to be in there
[18:35] <paultag> since lightdm barfs on it currently
[18:35] <paultag> unless I put it in my x conf, but then I can't use my secondary normal-ways at home
[18:41] <mhall119> paultag: you can tell them in #ubuntu-design and #ubuntu-unity
[18:42] <mhall119> but seriously, have have a monitor in rotated to portrait?
[18:43] <paultag> mhall119: if code I write is no longer then 80 lines (because it should be), then what's the point of all the extra to the left and right?
[18:43] <paultag> mhall119: I can look at whole files at once, rather then chunks, also docs look better
[18:43] <paultag> if I design a site, I can pivot i back
[18:43] <paultag> it *
[18:43] <paultag> it works much better when programming
[18:44] <mhall119> nobody uses hardware vt100 terminals anymore, there's no need to limit to 80 colums
[18:44] <paultag> mhall119: it's a line max, having huge lines isn't great for readability. Plus, that 80 line thing comes from punchcards, not VTs
[18:44] <paultag> mhall119: if I see lines longer then 80, it bugs me and I think less of the author :)
[18:45] <mhall119> if I see lines limited to 80 columns I see old people with punch cards
[18:47] <paultag> mhall119: the problem with that is that I can write code without any newlines, and it'd be valid and fine, but it'd be hard to read - by going past 80 lines (which is a lot), I think of lazy programming, and people ditching readability
[18:48] <mhall119> you should use Perl then, it's equally readable above 80 columns
[18:52] <paultag> mhall119: anyway, it looks great on this setup
[18:54] <mhall119> lightdm looks great?
[18:54] <paultag> nah, code
[18:54] <paultag> lightdm, as I put it - looks like garbage
[18:57] <mhall119> paultag: definely post your bug number (you *do* have one, right?) into #ubuntu-design and/or #ubuntu-unity (even though it's not technically unity)
[18:58] <paultag> mhall119: hell no I don't have a bug :)
[18:58] <paultag> mhall119: it'll be ignored until someone either expires it, or says test against the latest beta
[18:58] <mhall119> if there's no bug report, the problem doesn't exist :P
[18:58] <paultag> I've become jaded at the bug report process in launchpad 
[18:58] <mhall119> new meme: Bug report or it didn't happen
[18:58] <paultag> there's way too much static
[18:59] <mhall119> paultag: hence the reason I said to bring it up in one of those channels
[18:59] <paultag> I still have -control, I'll just mark it critical
[18:59] <paultag> :)
[18:59] <mhall119> paultag: I can't condone that
[18:59] <paultag> breaks unrelated software