[08:08] good morning [10:55] hi [13:11] morning [15:03] morning mhall119 [15:06] morning paultag [15:06] mhall119: what's new? [15:07] paultag: so I got a ping yesterday from davidcalle, pointing me at your blog about your politics api, for reference in making a politics lens :) [15:08] mhall119: sounds like it is a good idea :) [15:08] heh [15:08] mhall119: what didja tell him? [15:08] he wasn't online anymore by the time I got up this morning [15:10] paultag: once he's online I plan to tell him that you're already working on it ;) [15:10] mhall119: we * :) [15:10] I don't use unity, I'm happy to help, but I can't test or debug it to a good extent ;) [15:10] UDW is started in #ubuntu-classrom! [15:10] paultag: you should make a Fluxbox lens then [15:11] :P [15:11] mhall119: it'd not be that hard with the new compositing stuff [15:11] heh, I can see it now, Flunity [15:11] I prefer my window manager isn't 10 seconds behind my keyboard ;) [15:12] that was 11.04 [15:12] even 11.10 was only a couple of seconds behind [15:12] mhall119: I'll stick with Fluxbox or Awesome / xmonad, thanks :) [15:12] and 12.04 is shaping up to be nearly instant [15:12] Unity's such a shame :) [15:13] s/shame/awesome// [15:14] hahaha [15:14] I can't go back to Gnome2 or even 3 [15:14] nor I, because GNOME3's just as bad [15:14] it gets in my way so much [15:14] the keyboard navigation on Unity is better than anything else I've used [15:14] mhall119: have you used awesome or xmonad? [15:14] mhall119: try that, then tell me that ;) [15:14] no, I'm not an elite hacker like you, remember? [15:19] I'm using awesome on desktop and unity on netbook, unity is powerfull but not as powerfull as awesome is. (for mouseless usage) [15:19] Atlantic777: truth. [15:19] It almost is enough for me to want to work tiling into fluxbox [15:20] paultag: there is some plugin... pytilling or something [15:20] Atlantic777: that's on top of fluxbox [15:20] I havn't tryied it yet... [15:20] Atlantic777: sending EWMH hints to fluxbox on how to lay it out [15:20] flux has no tiling in it :) [15:20] I guess just EWMH to fluxbox :) [15:21] no such thing as a hint hint :) [15:21] sorry, it seems that your more into that topic than me :D [15:21] Atlantic777: I'm paultag@fluxbox.org ;) [15:21] I'm required by law to be into it [15:21] lol :D [15:22] but yeah, awesome is frankly, pretty great [15:22] not awesome yet, I'm still warming up to it [15:22] but pretty great, for sure. [15:24] Well hope that you're the right person to ask, why fluxbox is bugging me with slow moving of windows (opaque on) :P [15:24] Atlantic777: do you have a gaming mouse? [15:24] paultag: no [15:25] alright, that is the most popular reason why it's laggy :) [15:25] btw, that's on gentoo... [15:25] let's move to #fluxbox [15:25] Atlantic777: with opaque on, it doens't freeze the process / render, so it really bogs down the action - it's all single threaded right now (and for the foreseeable future), it's actually the same reason with opaque off, music players will stop playing music [15:25] Atlantic777: yeah, let's :) [15:26] I've not found a good threading solution that will work on [UNIX|BSD|Linux|Solaris|Hurd|*] [15:26] nor has anyone else involved ;) === dpm_ is now known as dpm [18:34] hey mhall119 [18:35] mhall119: can you tell some of the design folks ( I can't get at them because I'm not @canonical, gah ) - that some of us have multi-monitor setups with a rotated secondary to be length-wise? [18:35] mhall119: if they're drawing up a spec, I'd like for that to be in there [18:35] since lightdm barfs on it currently [18:35] unless I put it in my x conf, but then I can't use my secondary normal-ways at home [18:41] paultag: you can tell them in #ubuntu-design and #ubuntu-unity [18:42] but seriously, have have a monitor in rotated to portrait? [18:43] mhall119: if code I write is no longer then 80 lines (because it should be), then what's the point of all the extra to the left and right? [18:43] mhall119: I can look at whole files at once, rather then chunks, also docs look better [18:43] if I design a site, I can pivot i back [18:43] it * [18:43] it works much better when programming [18:44] nobody uses hardware vt100 terminals anymore, there's no need to limit to 80 colums === fenris_ is now known as Guest88852 [18:44] mhall119: it's a line max, having huge lines isn't great for readability. Plus, that 80 line thing comes from punchcards, not VTs [18:44] mhall119: if I see lines longer then 80, it bugs me and I think less of the author :) [18:45] if I see lines limited to 80 columns I see old people with punch cards === fenris__ is now known as Guest62166 [18:47] mhall119: the problem with that is that I can write code without any newlines, and it'd be valid and fine, but it'd be hard to read - by going past 80 lines (which is a lot), I think of lazy programming, and people ditching readability [18:48] you should use Perl then, it's equally readable above 80 columns [18:52] mhall119: anyway, it looks great on this setup [18:54] lightdm looks great? [18:54] nah, code [18:54] lightdm, as I put it - looks like garbage [18:57] paultag: definely post your bug number (you *do* have one, right?) into #ubuntu-design and/or #ubuntu-unity (even though it's not technically unity) [18:58] mhall119: hell no I don't have a bug :) [18:58] mhall119: it'll be ignored until someone either expires it, or says test against the latest beta [18:58] if there's no bug report, the problem doesn't exist :P [18:58] I've become jaded at the bug report process in launchpad [18:58] new meme: Bug report or it didn't happen [18:58] there's way too much static [18:59] paultag: hence the reason I said to bring it up in one of those channels [18:59] I still have -control, I'll just mark it critical [18:59] :) [18:59] paultag: I can't condone that [18:59] breaks unrelated software === Atlantic877 is now known as Atlantic777